How do we fix the isekai genre, /a/?
Hard mode: "you can't, burn it all down" posts are forbidden
無理ゲーモード: write a synopsis the next best-selling isekai web novel turned light novel turned anime.
You got that gif from Tumblr, right?
>that tint
>that file and image size
two words:
Sci-fi Isekai
think about it
Stop using the fantasy/game rpg setting and make it sci-fi. Also, make the MC the only human or humanoid in case there's ayy lmaos.
>>141192418
Part of the appeal of being thrust in a backwards medieval society that runs on magic is being able to bask in the air of superiority that your <current year> moral sensibilities and scientific know-how gives you though. In a sense, being from a modern society is a cheat skill in and of itself.
With sci-fi it's the exact opposite. You're dumped into a civilization far, far more advanced than the one you're familiar with. What could you possibly offer them?
Wanted to contribute, but I just realized that, Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku is a 'spirited away to another world' kind of anime and now I'm sad.
More Isekai series like Warlock in a Magus world
where the MC actually has to struggle to be a fucking all-powerful wizard
Less wish fulfillment. Your new world is not easy to live in. It is hostile, the rules the people live by are unfamiliar, you have no relevant skills and limited supplies.
>>141192620
The solution, of course, would be to throw the protag into a sci-fi setting where everyone is retarded.
>>141192696
So, sao but with sci-fi elements?
>you never said the mc had to be smart.
>>141192696
You mean like 40k?
>>141192756
You looked at >>141192604 didn't you
>>141192672
there's a lot series where the MC gets fucked over constantly (Kuro no Maou, Re:Zero, Seirei Gensouki, Katahane no Riku, Akuyaku)
what I want is a series where MC doesn't get a "cheat" ability and has to pursue the power he wants to get
>>141192756
...yesI just want my warhams animu already goddammit
>>141192696
>>141192756
I'd actually want a 40k Isekai with an OPMC
mostly for curiosity reasons
more ecchi more stats more p2w
>>141192696
Idiocracy anime when?
>>141193041
that I can see as an anime
the series was basically Tsukkomi: the movie
>>141192672
>>141192899
This. Self-inserting wish fulfillment and chest abilities are what kill the genre.
>>141192304
Well for starters, who says the other world necessarily has to be fantasy? It could be sci-fi, or even a mundane world just like ours in another universe.
Furthermore, why does the MC necessarily have to be reincarnated or summoned into the other world? Being limited in his ability to affect the other world could be interesting. For example, maybe the MC can only communicate with a single character in that world and has to guide her using only words?
What I'm saying is, what ifa boy falls in love with a girl.
Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl’s phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day’s confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn’t exist in this universe at all. She is the girl’s alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC’s own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
>>141192696
So MC's ability is tsukkomi?
>>141192956
Who should be the waifus
>>141192304
It's fixing itself. We've already reached the point where people are playing with it and deconstructing it, and one;s that's done it will either evolve or fade.And no matter what a few extremely generic ones will still be created and eke out an existence, but hopefully even the plebs will get tired of that eventually.
>>141192304
Guy gets transported into medieval fantasy with magic and shit. The usual
Except he introduces communism and becomes Marx/Lenin
>>141192899
Mushoku Tensei and arifureta kind of make the MC work for an ability, but the thing is, in both cases they get too powerfull and too quickly, rendering future endeavors pointless.
Thankfully, M.T. focus is in turning his horribly shitty mc into a semi decent human being and his struggles to mantain whatever happiness he has acquired. (My hate for mc never subsided, but i still pulled through)
On the other hand Arifureta is more about a tsundere mc being angry at the gods for sending him to this world, instead of that guy who betrayed him or his other shitty classmates, being generally grumpy and having weird adventures with odd characters. (Fuck off with the harem dammit, one girl as a love interest was enough)
>>141192956
So, "I Died and Was Reincarnated As the God-Emperor of Mankind in Another World"?!
Consider this:
nameless soldier is in a warzone lamenting the futility and carnage of the war. When all of a sudden a totally-not-A-bomb activates next to him with the light engulfing him. When he comes to he is stuck in a wilderness somewhere with little to no supplies and only a robe as his clothes. He decided to travel the world with no special skills or abilities or much knowledge besides basic survival skills he learned in boot-camp, not even knowing the language of the inhabitants. Eventually he falls in love with the world that wasn't tarnished by constant modern warfare and the wonders the knew world brings despite some of the dangers and trials it provides.he also became a cute girl
To fix wish fullfillment we first need to teach otaku writers to write about female protagonists/characters in general.like any of you can do that
>>141192304
More comedy less wish fulfillment, konosuba had the right idea.
>>141192696
So MC gets summoned into a gundam series?
>>141193114
The reason why it's always in fantasy settings is because that fantasy world would literally be impossible to achieve. A scifi world is one that explores what the world could be.
>>141193212
Yes
Make it happen Japan
>>141193178
Rudi wasn't too powerful (without his armor)
anything King level can kick his ass
>>141192899
>>141192304
How about we just reverse the roles?
Isekai magician/warlord/etc MC gets transported into real world Tokyo and has to find a way to survive.
>>141193307
I can write about female protagonists.They won't be well-written though.
>>141193319
>as if the chuuni wasnt wish fulfilling
>>141193371
>>141193307
but Isekai with feMCs are the best ones
>>141193371
you mean like Maou-sama?
>>141192304
We don't fix what isn't broken, and that's it. Let people self-insert into whatever they want.
>>141192304
How to fix
>more lewd
How to ruin
>take away lewd
>>141193404
would that really qualify though? Those are usually where the demon runs/escapes to our world to hide
>>141192304
you can't, burn it all down
>>141193457
I can't understand what you're saying.
>>141193102
Why do you say it's so bad? Is it because you, yourself cannot self-insert into the MC's role or feel the wish fullfilment catering to you?
>>141192899
You mean like Mushoku Tensei.
The faggot actually worked hard from his childhood and got strong.
>>141193475
>>141193404
>>141193421
We need more shows like maou sama
>>141193490
Because it is bad.
>>141192418
>Everyone is smarter than the self-insert
What is the appeal fat otakus that want to restart their life?
What the fuck is isekai
>>141193307
I can, they just all end up being Aty-sensei from Summon Night
>>141193519
He worked hard but also had incredible talent from the get go too with his Laplace factor.
Some isekai stories just shit on the MC the entire ride.
>>141193540
But it's still something people enjoy. If it weren't, there wouldn't be so many series about that subject.
how about actually adding a plot to them
most of them is just MC getting the most powerful of powers and doing jackshit with them because he has no ambition and believes giving a damn to be troublesome
at best the goal is to get a harem which is easily done because they just gravitate to him
Let's have an Isekai where a delinquent goes mad with power and effectively becomes a Greek hero kingdom ruling/monster slaying/women seducing/attempting godhood and everything
>>141193597
twilight for virgins (male)
>>141193212
we need my wifes son is the demon lord
the main character is the father of one of these overpowered reincarnation mcs who goes on to do horrible things and commit atrocities.
the dad doesnt understand why this kid acts like he does while the siblings are "normal"
starts to think his wife cheated on him.
you watch him raise his family. a year after the kid sets off alone dad starts hearing news about his sons actions. the rest of it is him trying to stop his kid and seeing the aftermath.
>>141193597
means "otherworld"
>>141193597
"spirited away to another world" genre.
More ones with female MCs
>>141193610
The Laplace factor also gimped him like mad by making him unable to access the natural physical superpowers everybody else could attain though.
Meanwhile Sylphy not only had the Laplace factor that gave her a huge mana pool just like Rudy but it DIDN'T gimp her ability to become Superman like everyone else. And then the author decided to relegate her to the official stay-at-home housewife position. Fucking faggot.
>>141193490
The issue I have is that MC starts off overpowered right away. He doesn't really struggle or have to work for a lot, and just curbstomps everything while everyone around him praises him. It takes away from the story and denies the MC chances for growth.
It makes them go from just being self-insert to pure wank.
>>141193676
So kind of like Tilea's Worries from the mother's point of view.
>>141193102
Are you retarded? The cheat ability is what makes them popular. Tensei self insert got reborn with super talents, making learning thing an breeze. The target audience do not want to fantasize about hardwork, failures and drawbacks, moron.
>>141193178
MT is garbage. Everyone is sucking his dick constantly showering and mentioning how fast and talented he is. Guy got a new life with great magical super genes.
>>141193736
But the two most recent examples we have for this sort of story didn't do that, in Konosuba the MC is a useless piece of shit (with extraordinary luck, but it's still only fucking luck) and in Re:Zero the MC has no power at all other than being able to respawn.
>>141193676
>My Wife's Son Is A Daemon Prince
It's kind of sad how even though Konosuba was a comedy show, it still also had the best, most realistic depiction of what some otaku schmuck suddenly living in a fantasy RPG world would be like. Weak, struggling with even basic quests and barely scrapping by in poverty.
Isekai but with WRASSLIN
>>141193778
Sometimes it's just ridiculously OP. Like Re:Monster
>>141193778
Cheat abilities are hardly what make them popular. The idea of being able to play around with magic powers is what makes them popular. Those magic powers don't necessarily have to be top of the line god class, just enough to suffice.
It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Your MC can be talented enough to be able to get on the fast-track to playing around with high-class magic abilities without being the most overpowered motherfucker in the setting with several snowflake cheat skills at his disposal.
>>141193824
Konosuba is a series poking fun at the genre though.
>>141193878
>Weak, struggling with even basic quests and barely scrapping by in poverty.
Did we watch the same anime?
>>141193778
isn't the point of the other world the romantic wonder of having magic or the fact that it's technology is significantly lesser and thus MC can use that to his advantage?
both gets thrown away when the MC has a super special snowflake still that trumps everyone in the world because reasons. Now the conventional magic of the world is useless, and he doesn't even have to use modern knowledge (he might as well of just been born there without the other-world prologue).
>>141193818
>Everyone is sucking his dick constantly showering and mentioning how fast and talented he is.
for about one Volume most people call him weak, perverted, and stupid after that
>>141193878
You forgot the part where the only job class he qualified for was the class literally anyone can join and is widely seen as the weakest.
>>141193878
>stealing chuuni panties not the strongest cheat ever
>>141193983
>party member is immune to that effect
Life just isn't fair
Do this but for an entire season
>>141192644
Chink novels don't count. And I'm pretty sure that novel falls into xanxia.
>>141193878
It's also great that his ability was literally good luck.
That montage in the first episode, that was everything I've ever wanted out of this dumb premise.
>>141192644
Is that the one where he's some super powerful martial artist so they pick him to summon but just before they summoned him he fucked his body over and lost his ability to use his OP arts?
>>141194155
It's fucking stupid how his ability is ridiculously good luck but the plot constantly has to screw him over for shenanigans to happen and the author justifies this by going "oh lol his good luck is canceled out by the shitty luck of his party in general" so in the end his "good luck" isn't actually luck but is just a stat cheat to let him abuse skills that normally can't be abused.
>>141192304
More MCs reincarnating as cute girls.
>>141194124
it's surprisingly western for a chink novel
>MC enters magic school
>all the other students don't suddenly try to kill him off
>>141194194
No it's the series where a scientist is reincarnated with the AI chip he had in his brain into a medieval world where Wizards are all-powerful fae living nuke motherfuckers
>>141194072
So they work as bricklayers?
>>141194247
Of course the plot screws him over. If you wanted the same premise where the plot doesn't screw the protagonist over and instead the universe bends over backwards to suck the MC's dick, you could read anything else in this subgenre.
I think if his life is on a general upward trend, that's demonstration enough of his good luck. Hell, he escaped crushing poverty and the trap of doing menial labor for sustenance, that takes an incredibly amount of luck as it is.
>>141194247
There's a short bit that wasn't in the anime where he swaps parties with a guy who accused him of leaching off his rare class party members.
His luck is actually super good throughout the whole thing and saves his parties ass multiple times because they all have average luck and don't drag him down. The other guy nearly dies multiple times and is tearing out his hair over how stupid the girls are all at the end and begs Kazuma to switch back with him.
>>141193490
self-insertion is shit writing. SHIT. use Mushoku Tensei as an example: Rudeus is over powered as fuck from the start, having enough mana to be a literal god-class and even his basic spells are king-classed. plus he has gary stu eyes which let him see through anything on top of the voiceless incantation cheat ability. Rudeus never truly worked hard; he just swung his sword around everyday and jogged for a bit to stay in shape, which is irrelevant because his talent with magic far exceeds anything that can be achieved through hard work or effort.
what's worse in the wish fulfillment. about 80% of the girls in the series lust after his cock because he's the main character. being the literal manchild that he is, he has no self control or self-restraint so he sticks his dick into anyone who's willing to spread their legs for him regardless of circumstances, like being fucking married. all the while telling himself "I love X", "I love Y", etc. of course, he's a gary stu so everyone loves and forgives him of everything.
>>141194375
I soooooo wanted that to be an episode in the first season
>>141194343
>Hell, he escaped crushing poverty
He's back into crushing poverty again later and arrested. And then makes millions again. He'll probably lose it again though.
>>141194375
Man, i should really get to reading konosuba.
>>141194412
>Rudeus never truly worked hard; he just swung his sword around everyday and jogged for a bit to stay in shape, which is irrelevant because his talent with magic far exceeds anything that can be achieved through hard work or effort.
Nigga if Rudeus never "truly worked hard" you must operate off of some really fucking retarded definition of work.
>>141194412
>>141193519
>>141193178what do you think of shieldbro?
>>141194412
You are pretty spot on why MT is shit. The fat otaku was a piece of shit, but his life rewards him left and right. Is like sleeping and dreaming about flying and fucking random girls. Power fantasies are boring as fuck.
>>141194459
He doesn't.
There's actually a bit much later on where he makes a deal with the devil and gives up his fortune to rescue Darkness, but that devil was a cool dude and made the deal knowing full well Kazuma would get his money back.
>>141193854
>There's no way my bastard son could be a demon lord
>>141193676
>>141193854
>Bound by blood but not by soul
>>141194569
Not that guy, but the WN was really, really bad.
Still think the manga is keeping it together, but I'm just waiting for it to jump every shark in the ocean.
>>141194569third guy here
I haven't read the ln yet, just some of the manga. Seems interesting, a mc that gets to work hard and its hated by the world? reminds me of touma in that one good volume.
>Re:Monster
>MC not only start off with a cheat ability but has a lifetime of experience in how to use it.
>Gains at least like 3 new abilities every single chapter.
>Everyone wants his dick because he's so totally awesome and powerful and literally has an ability that can force people to want to fuck him.
I think this is the worst offender.
>>141194412
though I disagree heavily. Rudi still has the Lapace factor and said factor is still a cheat (I mean the factor had the "squishy wizard" nerf, but the armor pretty much took away that weakness).
I like to see an Isekai where the MC has to build his way up to his power. Doesn't have to be a gritty, realistic "the world sucks because it sucks" type of deal something like a battle shounen where they MC gets stronger as he goes along would do.
>>141194569
I remember the WN/LN being unreadably bad, with its constant prattling on about boring game mechanics, leveling, and stats
The manga toned it down to tolerable levels
>>141192304
>write a synopsis the next best-selling isekai web novel turned light novel turned anime
How about no, because I actually have a good one.
>>141194954
I want a series where he joins up with a traveling wizard/salesman as an assistant and apprentice and its his master who eventually winds up joining the hero party (And bringing him along for the ride). MC slowly improves in both his magical ability and salesmanship as the series progresses.
>>141193883
Re:Lucha
>mc has the cheat ability to go over any audience
>is berried because the promotion he works for doesn't appreciate it when you go over without their permission
Some dude in 2ch was working on the following:
MC and his friend gets summoned into a new unknown world. Both are savvy in the isekai genre so the both realize what have happened pretty fast. The friend could never be happier, since he is the basic huffing bandana otaku and was dissatisfied with his life. But MC on the other hand have his mind occupied with leaving behind his sick sister, and he was very attached to his previous life. A cute sorcerer appears before them. The friend immediately ask about what their cheat abilities are and is filled with enthusiasm. Following the explanation the friend went silent. Basically they got summoned as soldiers for an army consisting of summoned creatures from other worlds. To join an army and fight against the invading nation. The sorcerer fucked up and summoned humans, they are no more, no less, just humans. No abilities, no extra life, no re spawning, no time lopping. First chapter had the friend getting killed by a giant arrow that pierced half his body away. Now MC have is forced to be a soldier, trying to survive the war and this new savage land, with no special ability, and if he dies, he dies. He must live and find a way back to his sick sister. MC uses his war funds to buy poison and antidote, slips the poison into a goblin´s drink and saves him. Just to get an ally, the goblin is pretty bro. Basically a fuck you to isekai.
I hope the guy get some good pixiv artist to draw some art.
>>141194072
I think this would be genuinely interesting. Slice-of-life type thing concerned with the mundanities of fantasy life, with a fish-out-of-water protagonist.
Basically Konosuba but without the RPG stuff.
>>141194569
the wn was decent till the halfway point then turned into stupid harem bullshit
>>141195133
Sounds edgy and shitting on cliches for the sake of shitting on them.
Just because something goes out of its way to avoid common pitfalls doesn't mean it's good.
Honestly I'd just like if they had better settings.
>>141194072
If he marries her in the end I would enjoy the fuck out of that.
>>141194942
The MC from word master can make almost all kind of magic by writing, is an asshole but nobody actually confronts him for it, everyone sucks his dick even people who don´t know him, has the ability to have all the lolis lusting for his dick.
>>141194569
manga seems solid; haven't touched the light novel. other than Raphtalia being infatuated with Naofumi, the cliché tropes are kept to a bare minimum, which I'm grateful for.
>>141194582
this anon knows
>>141194954
the armor plus the gary stu eyes. the author tries to convince us that rudeus is a fair and balanced character by:
>"his physical abilities are only average!"
>"he can't use voiceless incantations for healing magic!"
>"see? he's a balanced character!"
personally, I don't buy it.
>>141192304
Instead of having one overpowered MC with his/her goons, have three overpowered MC with their overpowered goons. Each MC has a different ideology and agenda on how to make the world a better place, which ends their friendship.
The world is literally divided into three kingdoms constantly warring against each other and in the end when all three MCs have killed each other and found peace among themselves the world is an even worse shithole than it used to be, literally regressing from medieval societies to the times right after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event.
>MC is transported into isekai
>finds out he's in shitty Dark Souls-type world
>everything is ugly and bleak
>no qt waifus
>with mountain frustration and agony he becomes a hardened harbinger of death and destruction
>it's so sad and dark it can't even be called edgy
>>141193400
>as if incredibly high INT by BIRTH was wish fulfilling
Just give me better worldbuilding and an actually interesting fantasy setting. I honestly don't give a fuck about anything else.
>>141195252
That could be interesting, especially if it baits the audience into thinking that they'll get along for an episode or two.
>>141195181
There was not too much to read. No idea how edgy it will get. But I liked it since the MC is clever little fucker without doing the goody two shoe thing. And is a little thrilling knowing how dangerous everything is. But there was a lack of cute girls. No mention of the sorcerer beyond the beginning. Also he had a goal, so I that is a plus.
>>141195317
That's dumb. Dark Souls has qt waifus.
>>141195317
>it's so sad and dark it can't even be called edgy
You're clearly new to /a/ if you think something won't be called edgy anyway. Have you not seen any Re:Zero threads?
>>141195248
nah the eyes didn't do shit since he attacks are so fast he can't react quick enough and if they aren't they wouldn't even be threatening without the eyes.
but the armor definitely broke any weakness he had
>>141192304
>isekai
What? Speak English motherfucker.
>>141194155
I think those occasions of bad luck sometime are good luck in disguise. Many things that are bad end up being good in the long run.
>>141195252
Game of thrones/ASoIaF.
Isekai series set in not-Pokemon worlds
>>141195384
>>141195248
At least the author did a good job of scaling up the powerlevels to be appropriately challenging.
Rudy still had to get his ass fished out of the fire by President Orsted in the end.
>>141195384
who do you think best girl is?
>>141195317
But DS have qt girls. Enough to get a harem.
>>141195380
But Re:Zero is edgy LN shit. MC is even a fucking dumb ass self insert.
This, but the MC is just a knight summoned from mediaeval times.
>>141195461
For a "totally broken OP gary stu" character he sure does get saved a lot.
MC arrives in a fantasy setting and discovers he has the ability to predict all of his enemies attacks, knight of 1 style. Quickly becomes a master swordsman and finds himself completely kickass gear, saves the town from some threats, etc.
But there's one problem. Even though he's the best around, people have been spreading all sorts of rumours about him and none of a whole truckload of waifu-bait characters want to be near him. Becomes a story about how a guy tries to get into girl's hearts simply by being more powerful than other guys, but fails, because he's missing the other details of human interaction.
Maayybe he gets to hook up with one of them at the end of a cour or two. I'll think about it.
>>141195133
>slips the poison into a goblin´s drink and saves him. Just to get an ally,
I remember /tg/ doing something similar in a quest.
>>141195326
>Having these low standards
You can just pick any low-tier fantasy novel then. The are like masterpieces compared to light novels.
People get stuck to the eastern stuff because of characters. Not world building. Nips LN can not get anything right.
>>141195498
>edgy LN shit. MC is even a fucking dumb ass self insert.
Fun fact. ANONS CAN WILL AND DO say the same thing about ANY NON-PARODY LN ADAPTATION EVER.
>>141192304
you can't, burn it all down
>>141192304
re zero did it right
>>141195502
I want that pic to be a thing already. That sounds fucking hilarious.
>>141195519
Eris confirmed for Mary Sue
Zero no Tsukaima, but with more focus on the politics and war like the light novels, rather than the anime which focused solely on Louise and Saito.
>>141195519
>Harem
>Good guy
>According to people, looks good
>Have natural talent
>A lot of people likes him
He is Gary Stu.
>>141195617
It never will. At best you'll get either some half assed version of it or something that's ~similar~ but has a couple major changes that ruin it.
Are there even any of these shows with a female MC?
>>141195584
Nah, SAO audience will gulp it up like the little fucbois.
>>141195658
Other than the harem part none of those things sound unreasonable at all.
Is anybody who isn't utterly despised and a total fucking loser a gary stu now?
>>141195574
I read LNs because some of the concepts
-series where the MC is reincarnated back to infacy in another world (I just wished that he didn't get some stupid cheat ability)
-New Game+ series where the MC dies and starts over when he was a kid
-Otome reincarnation where the MC is a villainess trying to get out of her bad end (I liked how all of these series has something different to them)
interesting concepts which would be awesome if the writing was a little better
there's this one chink series where a guy is reincarnated to both a guy AND a girl and can control both I wish there was a nip series with that premise as well
>>141195689
>SAO
Re:Zero is everything SAO failed to be in that Re:Zero has a cool premise and then actually fucking sticks to it.
>>141195658
that describes most harem protags
I think only Keitaro doesn't qualify
>>141195681
There are a ton of isekai LNs with female protagonists but none of them have been adapted into anime yet.
You have the variety meant to pander to girls where they get reincarnated as an otome game rival and the variety meant to pander to guys where it's your standard-bog plot except the MC is a girl and she gets up to yuribait shenanigans with her not-harem.
>>141194262
underrated post
>>141195681
Not that I can think of, but that might make it more interesting.
>>141195782
Why can't we get one with a serious plot that just happens to have a girl MC. Girls can like action and fighting too.
BY SOME STRANGE CIRCUMSTANCE THE MC IS REINCARNATED AS A MIMIC STUCK IN SOME LONG-FORGOTTEN GAUNTLET CRAFTED BY THE DEAD GODS
AFTER DECADES OF EATING UNSUSPECTING PREY HE STUMBLES UPON A LITTLE GIRL HOPELESSLY LOST WITHIN THE SHIFTING HALLS OF THE DUNGEON
TO HIS SURPRISE, SHE IS A FLEDGLING NECROMANCER IN SERVICE TO THE HIGHER LORD OF SLEEPING BOB THE FIRST NIGHT
HAVING LONG SINCE BEEN BORED OF HIS PREDICAMENT MC IS STRUCK BY A BRILLIANT IDEA, HE TRICKS THE LITTLE GIRL INTO PERFORMING A BLOOD CONTRACT WITH HIM
FINALLY, THE MC IS ABLE TO LEAVE THE UNEVENTFUL HELLHOLE HE LIVED IN TO BECOME A SERVANT TO AND TRAVEL THE WORLD WITH THIS INTERESTINGLY INCOMPETENT MANIPULATOR OF DEATH
AS A MIMIC
AS A MIMIC BACK PACK
AS A MIMIC BACK PACK IN THE FORM OF RANDOSERU
AS A MIMIC BACK PACK IN THE FORM OF A RANDOSERU APTLY WORN BY A LOLI
FINAL FUCKING DESTINATION
You are an ordinary Japanese schoolboy. You have a girlfriend who is two years younger than you.
Suddenly he Vampire Lord of the Blood Pool (aka the Demon King) appears next to your girlfriend in a date and kidnaps her leaving behind a closing dimensional portal.
You jump in to save her.
After killing the Demon King (it was part of his plan) you find out that your girlfriend has become his successor. But if she loses to her new position she'll lose her original personality and become someone who just hates humanity.
So you have to find a way to suppress her transformation, return her to normal and return home.
But.
There is one group of demons far stronger than you who want to kill your girlfriend and install their leader as Demon King. You fortunately have help from a loyalist group of demons but they want your girlfriend to accept her position and end the demon civil war.
Meanwhile humanity is getting unified under a 'hero' who could help you but he wants to fuck your girlfriend.
>>141195542
banished quest
>>141195872
>Why can't we get one with a serious plot that just happens to have a girl MC
Because girls are physically weak, obviously.
Hey, you said 'serious'.
>>141195877
>AS A MIMIC BACK PACK IN THE FORM OF A RANDOSERU APTLY WORN BY A LOLI
I haven't realized I wanted something this bad until now.
>>141195519
Eris got cucked tho.
>>141195908
They can still use dex or magic builds
>>141195872
Most genderbender reincarnation novels are like that. The MC is usually raring to become an adventurer/fighter with his now-girlish body getting in the way of being taken seriously.
>>141195620
Most of the cast are LN MCs in their own right
>>141195890
I want to see a LN with a magic system as good as that.
How about one about the mastermind's point of view? Trying the best to keep locked the MCs in his world, sending them waifus so they forget about their worlds and make'em believe they are the genuine hero of the story. The rival can be a tryhard no escapism faggot like Marche.
>>141195744
Please faggot. At least SAO had a huge budget, so it could look nice. Re:Zero is a poor man´s SG Fantasy edition. Re:Zero is the second biggest thing (right behind Zombie train) on reddit and MAL this season because it has everything SAO faggots like.
>>141195872
What is Riku?
What is Kumo?
>>141195940
Orsted is the ultimate LN MC.
Hell he's basically max level Subaru with "save my waifu" replaced with "kill that bastard Hitogami".
>>141195877
Nice
>>141195681
Inuyasha
>>141195970
I dunno those are really vague names.
>>141195970
>implying Rook isn't the true MC
>implying Shun isn't the true MC
>>141195872
>Girl
>Serious plot
>Medieval fantasy world
She would get raped in a dark alleyway as her first memorable experience.
>>141194754
Pretty sure it'll do after killing the spirit turtle or afterReturning from glass's world, since after that we get the happy slave village
>>141194930
Not by the world, he was just the victim of various circumstances set by a bitch god that harvests worlds. After he clears his name in the WN and almost kills himself(again) killing a gigantic soul-eating turtle, the world collectively sucks his cock. But he DOES work hard to get to that point.
Dunno how is it going to be after that point in the LN since we have a fuckton of new arcs before that point. But the LNs are a good read, at least for me. There's e-book copies of vol 1 and 2 on homuwaifugod so if you're interested you should grab em.
>>141195658
just sayin Gary Stu means "flawless character"
shouldn't a flawless character be one that's doing most of the saving instead of mostly the one being saved?
>>141196005
You mean like that one vampire-hime?
>>141195877
I need this in my life.
Go fuck off to some WN website and write it already.
>>141195877
You... i like you.
>>141195889
Sounds completely shit.
>>141195921
>They can still use dex or magic builds
The other problem is that you can't have a grimdark setting without acknowledging that some men will want to rape her, so you're left having to give her plot armour.
>>141195963
>Re:Zero is a poor man´s SG Fantasy edition.
>The Tatami Galaxy is a poor man's SG romance edition
Your arguments suck.
>>141195954
>How about one about the mastermind's point of view?
That sounds like it would be meta in a bad way. If there's something people don't connect easily with, it's LN authors.
>>141195908
any human can be strong.
>Nooooo, its more believable that a fat otaku that has never lifted can get stronger than a girl.
>>141195942
>tfw soma will never publish an edited and refined version
Just make less shows
One in a while is fine
2-3 every season is shit
>>141196082
>any human can be strong.
No shit, but men can get stronger than women, so in that setting, she wouldn't be able to be stronger than every man she encounters.
>>141196122
Did read the metal GM? It was perfect
>>141196140
you know these series aren't all that frequent
there's usually not even 1 per season
>>141196074
Tatami is so far away from wishfufillment fantasies you can get you little faggot. How about you watch your shows first? The entire point of TG is how great it is living in this time, right now. Re:Zero is about the fantasy of being transported to a fantasy world, being a suffering edgelord. You think people do not like triumphing over suffering? Suburu is a dumb as any self insert LN shmuck.
>>141192304
You can't, burn it all down
>>141196160
There's more to fights than just raw physical strength.
Just forget I mentioned it. The mere idea of females clearly triggers /a/ too much.
>>141196288
>"I will fight you without resorting to violence"
>enemy stabs bitch in the stomach
>>141196215
>Tatami is so far away from wishfufillment fantasies you can get
Which has nothing to do with what you said before. You called something a 'poor man's SG' and I gave you another anime with a time loop and called it the same to show you why that's an incredibly dumb argument. You said nothing about 'wish fulfilment' and neither did I.
The way you can't stop spouting 'faggot' every sentence makes you look salty af.
>>141196215
>does various awesome college things
>gets cute girl at the end
>not wish fulfillment
>>141196160
You can have a serious plot in a setting with all the typical RPG trappings that let women become stronger fighters than men via supernatural methods.
>>141196349
>Not liking strong women.
I bet your waifu can't even beat the shit out of you. You tremendous faggot.
How about an isekai novel that puts the MC into a Eoten Onslaught/Spicy Habanero setting?
>>141196349
No /r9k/, I mean that when deadly weapons are involved fights are decided by means other than arm wrestling.
>>141196464
>"you can't harm me because I'm a strong independent womyn!"
>enemy stabs that bitch in the stomach
ideals holds no sway over a sword to the stomach
>>141192304
Lets take SaO for example.
>People preorder some weird shit
>They become trapped in it
>People outside realize what is happening
>They realize people will try to beat the game and die
>Pro players from ALL THE FUCKING WORLD log into the game willingly
No special haxes, no marry sues, no luck involved. We watch Death Coffin wiped out in matter of two days, We watch min-maxing spellcasters throwing nuclear missles in dungeons, etc. They steadily progress through any shit main antagonist throws at them. Enters TTGL: the Isekai. At the end, some gropu of chinese hackers isolate the main antagonist's consciousness from the web and places him in artificial hell to suffer for all the death he caused.
>>141195739
>chink series where a guy is reincarnated to both a guy AND a girl and can control both
You have my attention, since I've been working with a similar premise (one soul, two bodies of opposite sex).
>>141192304
A world of fantasy and adventure (no gods), every living thing is transported from other worlds. Yes, every fucking living thing. MC, the king, the adventurers, the guild, Villagers A to Z, that dog-looking thing, those monsters, etc.
Title: Isekai Scramble
remove adventure guilds
only series with adventurer guilds that I liked was Kansustoppu
>>141196514
>so upset you can't even hear an idea about fictional women without getting triggered
>>141196357
>Time loop
>Saving waifu
>Worse execution
>Fantasy instead of sci-fi
Yeah is poor man´s SG.
>>141196514
How you stab her with a sword when merely thinking of harming her erases you from existence tho?
>>141196637
What's wrong with adventure guilds?
>>141192304
No harems and no god powers from the get go. The genre is so filled with both, especially god awful chink shit, that it's almost impossible to find anything worth reading. Just stop looking for them honestly, which sucks because we have gotten spoiled by the only standouts in the genre already (Overlord and KonoSuba)
>>141196637
Remove all game elements period. Nothing takes me out of something more than fucking numerical stat screens, how fucking lazy can you get.
>>141196523
>People preorder some weird shit
>They become trapped in it
>People outside realize what is happening
>They realize people will try to beat the game and die
>Pro players from ALL THE FUCKING WORLD log into the game willingly
>No special haxes, no marry sues, no luck involved. We watch Death Coffin wiped out in matter of two days, We watch min-maxing spellcasters throwing nuclear missles in dungeons, etc. They steadily progress through any shit main antagonist throws at them. Enters TTGL: the Isekai. At the end, some gropu of chinese hackers isolate the main antagonist's consciousness from the web and places him in artificial hell to suffer for all the death he caused.
Stop reminding me that the best premise I've seen in years had its virginity taken when it was raped by SAO and now no-one wants to touch her.
>>141196652
Even if I like the fictional woman the enemy won't. Said enemy will just stab in stomach and move on
>>>141196667
we're talking about realism here
in those scenarios there's no "magic existence erasing abilities" just the girl, the enemy, and a stomach stabbin
>>141196763
You're so bitter you can't even like fictional woman any more, don't lie.
>>141196666
>Time loop
>Saving waifu
Both of which are good things
>Worse execution
Much better pacing than S;G. Characters in S;G are more interesting. It's a wash.
>Fantasy instead of sci-fi
Which is even better because the time travel doesn't need to be explained away with pseudo-scientific nonsense.
>>141196697
>Shit on isekai
>No god powers
>Proceed to give kudos to Overlord
Nice try. Overlord is awful. MC is ultra OP with the best gear, P2W items, ultra strong NPCs, undying love from his whores and manwhores, wins every battle.
>B-but he doesn´t like it
Please.
Konosuba is good though.
MC gets reincarnated as a chair.
That's it.
>>141196697
chinkshit doesn't have god powers from the get-go
normally MC has to go through 100+ chapters of powerleveling to get to his god powers
>>141196829
there was a WN where the MC was reincarnated to a vending machine
I think they already gone over the limit on that area
>>141196829
RIP MC-kun
>>141196819
>Proceed to give kudos to Overlord
That was my point you fucking idiot. KonoSuba is a harem too, but you didn't bring that up. The best in the genre are able to make things work, but then people copy that and it's a steaming pile of shit.
>MC is ultra OP with the best gear, P2W items, ultra strong NPCs, undying love from his whores and manwhores, wins every battle.
You must have the attention span and reading comprehension level of a third grader if you think that is what Overlord is about.
>>141195877
>AS A MIMIC BACK PACK IN THE FORM OF A RANDOSERU APTLY WORN BY A LOLI
The idea is very old. How come I dont' see shit like this?
>>141196813
>Magic restart> Scientific time travels
>pseudo-scientific nonsense
What am I reading here? I bet you loved Boku Dake rewind. The science behind Stein´s Gate time travel is sound. They skipped it in the anime.
>>141196829
>I recovered my past memories when I was hit on the seat by a plate. I am chair, the eight year old chair of the Tohno family. In a feverish nightmare, during which I became the destruction target of the house's oldest son, I have realized that this is an eroge game from my previous life. Also, I’ve turned into the chair that interfered with the romance of the capture targets… If the protagonist got a happy end, I would be destroyed, while if he got a bad end, I would also be destroyed… I have no happy end!? Why is it only bad!? Somehow I have to avoid the destruction end, and reach old age peacefully!!
>>141196637
How would you go about and remove an entity that holds authority over people in a fantasy world of swords and magic? There will always be something that is tasked to uphold order.
>>141196734
Agree, the status screen is a huge turn off. Same with cheesy cheat skill(s) given by a higher being.
>>141196918
Konosuba is parody. Sakamoto desu ka have a Gary Stu, but everyone loves it, because is a parody.
Overlord is about selfinserting into Ainz as he do litch stuff, taking over shit and rolling over every challenge, you would know if you stopped sucking overlords flaccid penis. "B-but he misses his guild", were you going to say that?
When will we get stuffs like MC from "otherworld" with no gifted strength, INT and whatever talent compared to the rest get sent to our world and wreck shit orhaving SoL?
>>141196862
In fact that's why I like chink series better than the Japanese LNs
it actually seems to be going somewhere. (that the MC want to be the strongest fucker in the universe is more of a goal than "I just want to live a normal life" the Jap MC's have. Also Their OPnes is limited to "stronger than people 5 levels above him" which is pretty OP until you realize that all the big enemies are 10 levels above him or are protected by some fucker that is. Not like the Jap ones where they are the strongest fucker in the world period.
>>141197112
Sounds boring as hell. And we got that boring show already. Maou-sama works at Wcdonalds.
The MC doesn't get reincarnated into a fantasy world but gets hired by a human resources god to do paper work for them. Along with the other employees in that otherworldly office building, all they do is work hard so that bureaucratic bullshit doesn't fill the reincarnation process with so much red tape and backlogs everything into literal oblivion.
All scenes will be around the watercooler. Sometimes they go out for some booze but it's all watercooler talk poking fun at isekai shit.
>>141197112
What would the fucking point of that be? If the MC is a totally normal guy from a medieval society you might as well cut out the other world part of it altogether and make it a straight up time travel story like Thermae Romae.
One of the Hero Union BBS chapters gave me an idea.
An elderly couple die peacefully on Earth whileholding each other's hand, and reincarnate into the roles of Hero and Demon Lord. Noticing that everything else in the fantasy land was created by the rampant imaginations of their grandkids, they decide to stage a dramatic enactment to keep their grandkids' sense of wonder alive.
>>141195502
>Reverse in which they try to get a peek at him but ended up getting fucked since he set up traps
I never EVER thought that hot springs episode could be this amazing. Can someone here make the whole thing a thing please?
>>141192418
>>141192490
pic related
Full 40K tier parody of grim derp shit
>>141195133
If you count on Japan to make anything original you will be severely disappointed. At best they can rehash things with a twist.
MC needs to start off weak and clueless. Actually works hard to train and learn. Even by the end of the series they still shouldn't be the strongest.
MC shouldn't have any special powers or skills. Their greatest talent should be being clever and resourceful.
Use a weapon other than a fucking sword.
If you want romance, MC should only have one single love interest. MAYBE 2 if you really want to push it and make a love triangle, but you better be really good in the other areas to make up for it, and harem is absolutely forbidden.
Act like balanced, realistic person. Don't go full moralfag or full edgelord. Have believable goals.
Don't wear all black.
A hopeless hikkiNEET who dreams of a life as a cheat-like hero in another world and a romanceless OL that wishes to be a high-spec otome oujo-sama are killed in an accident together and reincarnated in the same cliche fantasy world as exactly just that.
The catch is that it's the hikkiNEET that ends up as the oujo-sama and the OL that ends up as the hero. Unfortunately for them, while they're brilliantly genre savvy in their preferred category, they're absolutely hopeless in the other and end up totally squandering the first years of their new lives.
Be it by luck or fate, they eventually end up meeting each other in the new world and realize their ironic predicament, and end up advising each other on how to best take advantage of the envious lives they now lead. And so begins the misadventures of the oujo-sama who wanted to be a hero and the hero who wanted to be an oujo-sama. And the members of their woefully ignored harems.
>>141197452
That's essentially just Grimgar except you also want a restriction on the character's weapon for no discernible reason.
>>141197550
>they're absolutely hopeless in the other and end up totally squandering the first years of their new lives.
>Be it by luck or fate, they eventually end up meeting each other in the new world
mfw that pacing
Too many of these posts are just one-twist changes. OP asked how to FIX the isekai genre, not how to continue the descent into pleasing the lowest common denominator.
>>141193114
that's clever
>>141197666
We got the answer though. It's >>141195502
there's always this series
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=4875
>>141197666
how would you?
Its an Isekai where some dude from the future travels to the present with some cheat-like skill and thinks its just an mmorpg
>>141197234
>Greg.
>Mornin' Dave.
>The printer at block 78 isn't working again. Can ya' call the IT guy to work on it?
>Lenny? But he's an obnoxious git. You go call him.
>You know I can't do that, it's that time of the year again.
>Ah. Chinks or nips?
>Chinks.
>My condolences.
>Yeah fuck you too.
>Well why not just get Tom instead? I know he's still got his hands full on that streamlining project but I'm sure he wouldn't mind.
>Forget it. I'll just phone the big boss about it.
>Well what do we have here? My two favorite bitter mates at it again.
>Fuck off Tim.
>Shut the fuck up Tim.
>Oh don't be like that. And scoot over Dave. I'm going to get a drink.
>Sorry 'bout that.
>How's the transfer going for you Tim? I hear there's too many students this time.
>Don't even get me started on i-- oh that hit the spot -- thirty god damn people in a classroom. Do you know how much paper work we have to go through for a single bulk transfer like that?
>Here we go again.
>Tim. Not now.
>Our area is up to the nose with transfer forms. Have you two seen the Bumble brothers?
>Whose he talking about?
>Bobby Bumble and Barry Bumble.
>Ah right.
>They look fucking dead! Dead! The worst part? They're already dead! Someone get me out of this hell hole! And we don't even proper fucking healthcare!
>Healthcare? But didn't you just say we were already dead?
>God damn it Tim.
>UNION! UNION! UNION! UNION!
Fund it.
>>141197666
I think the protag's past should not be taken lightly, even if the MC himself doesn't want to look back at it. Correlation should be a regular thing.
Isekai? Did I miss something?
>>141197643
Don't most reincarnation WNs usually try to solve the pacing problem by giving a quick summary of their childhood with numerous time skips?
>>141197783
It's the somewhat recent fad of NEETs traveling to fantasy worlds with some skill that allows him to cheat through life
Isekai the TCG
>>141197776
Dave best boy.
>>141195877
>>141192304
Just put it in a pirate setting and focus on the action a lot. Basically make Black Lagoon 2.0.
>>141197643
Maybe the pilot chapter can have the two recognize each other right out the gate, then divulge how they stumbled their way to that moment?
>>141192696
>>141192620
Now and then, here and there?
>>141197550
>they keep trying to make friends with the opposite (same?) sex but all that ends up happening is that more people keep falling in love with them
>the hero thinks his (her?) childhood friend has a crippling social anxiety problem but she's actually normal around other people and just melts into a stuttering heap around her love interest which keeps getting worse by his (her?) constant attempts to "cure" her
>the oujo keeps doing unladylike things and having to be pulled back in line by her/his butler but he's secretly turned on by that shit
>>141192304
Archwizard from medieval world accidentaly summons himself into Sci-Fi world, and then proceeds to throw fireballs at Gundams and summon undead army.
>>141197810
Oh, I've just never heard them referred to as "isekai" before.
>>141197906
To be honest, this is also the first time for me.
>>141196963
There too many paradoxes in Steins Gate. To the point where something could have happened to the point where Schrodinger's cat became an absolute time fuck. Also, sending your memories and feelings was fucking bullshit.
Hulk Hogan/John Cena/The Rock/Stone Cold Steve Austin/Shinsuke Nakamura travels to a new world where wrestling is real
