How did anime end up being better than western cartoons?
Otaku bucks.
The West ran out of creative juices after the 90's animation renaissance, so now it has to build back up. In the mean time, tumblr will eat anything, so it'll survive.
Western animation is for children.
>>141189639
because the west focuses on other things to develope
>>141189639
I really like this image. Saved.No sarcasm or 'meme'ing.
>>141189639
To be fair, "better than Western cartoons" isn't exactly setting the bar high
>>141189918
>To be fair
>setting the bar
Did you misunderstand the OP, or are you just posting some stock phrase that popped into your head?
The last good 2D animate western cartoon I watched was Heavy Metal, has anything good come out since then?
Because the west is slowing losing their free speech and the cartoons were the first casualties
I wish I'd seen Porco Rosso when I was 12-13 years old. I loved Tale Spin and stuff like that as a kid.
The Amazing World of Gumball is a fucking pleasure just to look at, but y'know it's kiddy slapstick shit.
>>141190149
More like I tried to make a point and it came out badly.
Western cartoons today are shit.
SHIIITTTTT.
>>141189639
Rick and Morty is pretty good though tbqh fa m.
The west hates animation
or at least America does
>>141189639
It has cuter girls, it has more of them and they do cuter things.
/thread
I know Italy and France love anime, but they only produced weird copies like Wakfu
>>141189639
Because there's no creativity left. I'm not even trying to be one of those nostalgiafags, old animation was god tier
>Snow White tale once again
>Except this time Snow White is a fish
>Ice Age 2: Electric Boogaloo
Shrek was a mistake.
>>141189796
At least our 3D guys are pretty good. Big Hero 6 had a stupid plot but the animation was gorgeous.
>3DCG
>>141189639
most western cartoons are episodic to increase potential viewer numbers, although there is no over arching story all the episodes of such series usually have a common theme.
>>141189639
Differences in target audience
Which is to say as a whole western manchildren are worse than eastern manchildren
>>141190681
bow down to the future of the western animation industryseriously though as a /3/fag, there will always be 2d animation
>>141189639
No money in it unless it's a comedy. American cartoons are pretty top tier comedy.
Also you're ignoring a lot of great animated movies that were made using computer animation instead of traditional animation.
Even then you're ignoring some older great movies/shows- most to the Classic Disney library, the Batman Animated series, golden age Simpsons, ect.
>>141190811
Some of the best adult humor cartoons have come out in the last 10 years. Bojack Horseman is great cynical humor
>>141190784
Thank god Japan prefers pandering to people who actually buy their shit
>>141189639
We stopped giving a fuck long before they did.
Alternatively, they simply waited for Futurama to end.
>>141190299
It still has some jokes that hit. That, and the realistic 3D model cars with cel-shaded headlights make me hard.
>>141190311
I often wonder what mature western cartoons catch on in Japan. Do our jokes translate better than theirs do?
>>141190598
>Shrek was a mistake
Wish DreamWorks had made more 2D stuff
>>141190811
>American cartoons are pretty top tier comedy.
What decade do you think this is?
![1280px-Family_Guy_Logo.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/B5ZWvCl.png "1280px-Family_Guy_Logo.svg[1].png")
>>141190811
>American cartoons are pretty top tier comedy.
Can you say that with a straight face when this exists and when the Simpsons went full retard?
>>141190947
That's like saying all anime is bad because Naruto exists. Fucking retard.
>>141190598
>that gif
fucking KEK
Old Disney and WB cartoons were too good.
>>141190961
He said western cartoons are top tier comedy, not that all western cartoons are top tier.
Need I remind you about the PPG reboot?
Or how about Teen Titans GO?
>>141190945
What is
>South Park
>Archer
>American Dad
>Venture Bros
Just to name a few.
>>141190947
So do you want me to start brining up Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece now? Or do you want me to do that after I bring up all the moe shit that's being turned out?
Also I never said what was popular is "good" fuckwit.
>American Cartoon vs Japanese Anime General #1,150
>>141191118
>South Park
Been shit for a long time
>Archer
Okay
>American Dad
I hope you're not serious
>Venture Bros
Legitimately good
Well you're one-and-a-half for four. I expected at least Futurama.
They weren't constrained by the wests cultural views on what comics and cartoons can be.
In the west, it's viewed to be for children - extremely safe and for children. There exists the adult cartoons such as family guy, simpsons and such but those too are also quite simply animation wise and are generally only "mature" in terms of humor.
The japs took the opposite route.
>>141191156
>almost got a 5 a double dubs
You're losing your touch, Yami
>>141189639
>that new PPG
I felt so empty after watching the new shows first episode
>>141191260
I wasn't going for anything.
>>141189639
Japan doesn't have white actors to cast, but they want all their characters to look white.
So...
I think part of the problem as well is that most people with artistic talent in the West aren't funneled into 'immature' things like producing entertainment whereas anyone with artistic talent in Japan is going to be nurturing his talents with manga in mind.
>>141190660
If you throw millions and millions at a project you would expect it to look good. Japan can't hope to compete against Hollywood money.
>>141190161
>>141191298
But you didn't like the memes? Kids these days love them memes!
>>141191234
>South Park
>Shit
Sorry anon, didn't know you had no tastes
>Archer
>Okay
Eh difference of opinion
>American Dad
>Not fucking fantastic
This is just the most wrong opinion you can have. Seriously have you watched any of it beyond season 1? It's actually extremely good.
>Futurama
We are talking about more recent shows so I didn't include it. Otherwise I would've listed King of the Hill too.
There's also Bob's Burgers but that's honestly pretty hit or miss.
>>141191446
Cory is not just a measly cartoon, it's true kino
>>141191420
Also helps that our animation departments are REALLY fucking good over here. Underneath the hive of garbage that is most animation programs, Some of of the programs are really good
>t. someone who went to Sheridan
>>141189639
I wonder if there are real westaboos waiting eagerly for Frozen 2 or something like that.
>>141191529
They're called normalfags.
>>141191470
>It's actually extremely good
hell no
I like some episodes, but you are overrating it so much. It suffers from the usual bullshit flanderization of characters you see in long running western shows
>>141189639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRe612LFvs
>>141191548
I meant Japanese people who dislike Japanese animation and think western animation is patrician.
>>141191413
That and anybody doing animation is more or less comes from Calarts which really promotes a "cartoony" style which is basically only good for kids shows.
Other than that most of our serious shows are all based off capeshit. I mean the DC animated universe is fantastic, but at the end of the day people are still going to think of it as capeshit.
>>141191529
do you think 2ch posts twitter caps about characters being gay or some shit to argue until the thread 404's?
>>141191588
Eh, Western animation is pretty good. They just don't do anything with it.
>>141189839
>because the west focuses on other things to develope
Basically this. The west is still fairly dominated by the idea that cartoons are for silly stuff (Thanx to Walt Disney and his silly melodies) and therefore are only good for kids or for grotesque shit that makes you laugh.
The same demographic that in Japan is interested in the more serious anime in the west is exclusively interested in live action TV series.
Things like Game of Thrones, Buffy, Lost, Battlestar Galactica or Firefly could have as well been cartoons as there are anime that aren't really that much different in structure and scope. However if they were animated instead of live actions they would have reached a different demographic.
In the end anyone who is aiming to provide video entertainment for that demographic, be it producers, directors or writers, will rather invest their efforts to produce live action TV series rather than cartoons.
>>141191529
Japan fucking loved Frozen, the nips must be hype as fuck
>>141191050
I'm still pissed about TTG. We could've had a reboot or a time-jump or SOMETHING.
>>141191240
This, essentially. It's a difference in attitude towards media. Cartoons are for the kids, and for adult TV, you get your 30 Rock or CSI, etc. There are exceptions, but it's not that the west can't make 'good' cartoons, it's just that they don't.
>>141189639
because digital came and cartoons went from realistic to no colour shading.
>>141191576
Yeah. japanese normalfags. Check the JP itunes store every once in a while. Then you'll understand.
>>141191705
Here come the shading fags
>>141191643
>Buffy
>anime
I would kill for this
>>141191551
>Suffer from Falnderization
But they don't, seriously how much have you watched?
The characters change so much from episode to episode that it's impossible to Falnderize them. Also if anything they're less parodies of themselves then they started as.
Stan use to be just "stupid republican CIA agent", Haley was "Liberal daughter" and the rest were just generic Seth characters to advance the plot. By seasons 4 gained a lot of depth or at the very least some variety in their motivations and actions.
>>141191529
It doesn't take a westaboo to be into Frozen, Japan was obsessed with that shit along with probably most of the world.
>>141191705
Disney has never been realistic. They've just had a lot more time to work on cartoons and polish. They used to spend hours painting backgrounds on huge fucking canvases. Japanese animators do the same thing but they're limited to small paper and watercolor/gouache under a strict time limit, and the backgrounds are usually outsourced anyway so there's no internal direction.
>>141191648
>>141191643
The West really just doesn't see cartoons as hilarious.
I've dated multiple girls who I can't even get to watch animated comedies because they just don't like animated stuff. Animation has a huge stigma here.
>>141191635
It's not that the animation is bad, it's just that the art style doesn't lend itself to serious subject mater and cape stuff will never be taken that seriously.
>>141191944
*serious, not hilarious.
Thanks again autocorrect.
>>141191798
They've changed some, sure. Probably just because sticking with the tropes began to hinder the writing process.
I wouldn't consider them as characters in the sense that they evolve and change over time due to consequences or legitimate development based off plot. You can generally pick any episode from american dad and still be familiar with the characters. generally. And it's like that for almost every western adult cartoon.
I would say Archer is an examply of western animation breaking the mold in that sense actually. Because so much plot happens in that show that Archer is not the same guy he was in episode 1 to the latest episodes. Things don't reset with every episode.
>>141191944
>yfw King of The Hill was a better SoL than 90% of actual anime
>yfw we'll never get another show with that art style, but relatively good hand-animation again
Cartoon aesthetics are dead.
>>141189639
Story arc lasts longer then 2 episodes. Do the Japanese have lower rates of ADD? They probably do.
What the happened to the last batch of Disney traditional animators after the company moved on to CG? Retirement? Did they apply their talent elsewhere? Were some assimilated and relegated to different functions? I know Glen Keane at least still works as character designer.
>>141192054
I couldn't put my finger on why I liked Archer so much, despite it going on for 7 seasons now. That's it. Things change. Characters, settings, stakes. It's not the same show it was 6 seasons ago.
>>141192244
Have you even watched anime?
>>141192271
Storyboarding, likely.
>>141189639
They don't age. It's either reboot or remake after sales start to decline or they stubbornly keep the cast same age for decades.
>>141192054
I don't really mean that the American Dad cast developed as characters in the sense where they evolved in universe, I mean that the writers started to change them so they court avoid the same old tropes.
Which is to say they didn't suffer from flanderization. If they had Stan would be an even bigger Republican big government CIA stooge. Which he really isn't. He's a kind of whacky father who's also sometimes the serious voice of reason who works for the CIA when it's convenient to the plot.
Archer actually suffered from a lot of Flanderization during Archer Vice, and even a little in Season 6, though mostly for side characters like Krieger.
>>141189888
It's a comfy plane.
>>141189796
American animated movies have had about fifty percent of them be amazing in the past couple of decades. The shows suck, yes, but the movies are awesome.
>>141190598
Holy shit that gif makes me bust out laughing every fucking time.
Time to pirate old cartoons.
Western cartoons are superior for memes.
>>141192455
it's hard to flanderize when characters are already absurd from conception/have the capacity to be absurd from conception
>>141191944
>Animation has a huge stigma here.
I wouldn't say that at all. I think animation in the west is still very popular, especially with the mid-twenties demographic. Pretty much all my normie friends religiously watch shows like South Park, the Simpsons or shit that airs on Adultswim. In fact proof that animation in the west is alive and well is the rise of Adultswim. The thing is it never took off outside of comedy shows. So westerners that don't like to watch that genre kinda automatically write off animation as just that. For older people all animation ever was was either Disney or looney toons. My parents love old disney movies for example, but for them it's still just "kids stuff".
I'd say there's a very large adult audience for animation in the west, but all the channels ever produce for adult audiences are comedy shows like Rick and Morty.
>>141192455
I'm not seeing it for Archer.
>>141192619
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>>141191529
>tfw Disney sequels are always shit, but I'd still love a Frozen 2 despite knowing I'd be horribly disappointed
You did this to me, Elsa.
>>141191944
>dating 3D girls
Seriously though, my gf likes anime (terrible harem and shounenshit, but it's animation) and liked Zootopia when I dragged her to it, so I don't think the stigma against animation is all encompassing.
>>141192204
I wish more SOLs followed that dynamic.
>comfy as fuck without being boring or plotless
>actually good characters
>decent, but simple artstyle
>>141192764
>not seeing it with Archer
Really? Vice was basically just "Archer screws up way more then before due to stupid stuff because apparently this is funny". Krieger basically became "unstable scientist who might be Hitler's clone and is terrible at his job".
Season 6 saw Kerieger become an even bigger parody of himself, and for Cheryl and Pam to take a few steps back from their character development back to their wild and zany antics.
It may not be the worst case, but it's there.
>>141192972
I wouldn't say all encompassing but of the four girls I've last dated three were pretty much all against animated stuff. With maybe Frozen and more recently Zootopia as a rare exception. Disney movies tend to always be an exception to the rule.
I mean fuck I work with a bunch of Army Rangers and they all loved the fuck out of Frozen.
>>141193271
>I wouldn't say all encompassing but of the four girls I've last dated three were pretty much all against animated stuff. With maybe Frozen and more recently Zootopia as a rare exception. Disney movies tend to always be an exception to the rule.
Maybe it's just becauseshe's black, and blacks are the biggest fucking weebs in the U.S., but I haven't seen that. I guess for more normalfag girls that would be the case though. Animation rocks, I don't get how people couldn't like it.
>I mean fuck I work with a bunch of Army Rangers and they all loved the fuck out of Frozen.
Well Frozen had two of the top waifus of the century so I would hope so.
>>141189639
I wouldn't say anime is better, but the anime industry is much larger and much more diverse.
A big part is the cost of making cartoons here in the West and the risk associated with it. Another big factor is the stigma of cartoons being for kiddies, which is slowly going away. These largely stem from the "Dark Age of Animation" which ranged from, depending on who you ask, the mid 50's to '89. The death of the theatrical short, several flops from Disney and over saturation via Hannah Barbara and Ruby Spears all culminated in a much more cautious AAA industry.
>>141193349
>Animation rocks, I don't get how people couldn't like it.
Hey man you're preaching to the choir. I wish I had to a girl to watch Red Line, Porcco Rosso, or even just South Park with. But outside of a nerdy girls it just isn't common.
>well Frozen had two of the top waifus of the century so I would hope so.
They didn't like it for the wiafus. I'm honestly not really sure why the likes it so much to be honest, just that the really liked it.
>>141193595
>Hey man you're preaching to the choir. I wish I had to a girl to watch Red Line, Porcco Rosso, or even just South Park with. But outside of a nerdy girls it just isn't common.
That's true. I wasn't saying you didn't like animation or anything, I just don't get how more people can't like it. Shit is nice on a basic level.
>They didn't like it for the wiafus
Aside from them it wasn't that great in my opinion, aside from the animation and character designs. I guess if you haven't seen much animation then it could come off as great though.
>>141193674
>them it wasn't that great in my opinion, aside from the animation and character designs. I guess if you haven't seen much animation then it could come off as great though.
To be fair we aren't exactly animation experts, even if we do have a fair amount of guys who like anime.
That being said I think it was mostly the music and girly stuff. Guys also loved Pitch Perfect. Again I have no clue why. I'm sure a psychologist would have a field day talking about "hyper masculinity" and an "attraction to feminine values" but whatever.
So I know the west views animation as something for kids. so how did this happen. and why does this notion still persist to this day?
>>141193809
>That last one
Who the fuck could possibly consider that swimsuit "skimpy"?
It's not even a vanilla one-piece, goes halfway down her thigh.
>>141193271
Sounds like you've been dating ultra extreme normies
>>141194132
We don't call them /co/mblr for nothing.
>>141193809
is it some tradition to always bully/mock /co/ related stuff or western animation in general for being shit?
>>141193984
It largely came about after Hannah Barbara made it big. Scooby Doo's popularity flooded the market with mindless copies aimed at children. Then the 80's rolled around and we got hit with a shitton of toy commercials like He-Man and GI-Joe. It's just sort of stuck around, likely due to an attempt to seem mature.
>>141194226
Frankly, they deserve it. The West is superior in pretty much other medium and has the most potential for creative work, but they drop the ball on comics and cartoons.
>>141189639
Creative freedom that isn't suppressed, at least not heavily, by christian moral values. Japan also never had the Animation Ghetto like America does.
>>141193809
>>141194132
You guys seriously underestimate how prudish American society as a whole is, despite the occasions of being completely slutty. It's a really odd dichotomy, and even after living here my whole life I really don't understand it, but having a cartoon girl wearing a onesie is a huge event here.
>>141194161
Anon if you've got a way for a guy in his mid 20s working a regular job to meet attractive- attractive being the key word, I'm not trying to date some ham planet off plenty of whales- weeb girls then you had better damn well share it.
Until then I enjoy my normie pleb girls for what they are.
>>141193809
I don't really know how this is supposed to make anime look good. Fanservice is the trashiest aspect of it.
>>141194290
I remember around the late 90s, or maybe the Animation Ghetto Age if I'm not mistaken, where some animators tried to bypass censors by insinuating something while covering it up(Ren & Stimpy, Spongebob), and this is probably the last time I watched Western Cartoons. Why did the movement stopped all of a sudden?
>>141194498
Japanese classes, seriously. There were multiple cute girls in the ones I've been to. Not models of course, but if you're a weeb you're probably not a prize either.
There is a mid way between extreme normalfag and weeaboo though, even the mostly slightly 'alternative' girls are open to /co/ shit. My sister is a super popular, attractive cheerleader and she likes Archer.
>>141189639
Animation for western television has historically been kids shows. Hannah Barbera especially helped create that perception.
Adult animation beyond adult comedies tends to bomb too. It's very hard to sell thanks to the stigma of "why isn't this just live action," and Cartoon Network doesn't really do action shows anymore after there last few failed to sell as many toys as Ben 10.
Movies can be more varied but these days it's largely a flood of CGI Pixar and Dreamworks knock-offs in America. Europe is a lot more varied and willing to experiment.
Things are slowly changing though. The current generation of tweens is really into shows like Gravity Falls and Steven Universe that pull in story elements and have a deeper lore to them, so a market for action shows and narrative centric cartoons is slowly being fostered. There's talk of shit like Young Justice making its way to Netflix too, so they might find an audience on streaming sites.
>>141194512
The fact that anime can get away with this shows that freedom of expression is much stronger in Japan than in America or pretty much any other western country.
>>141194702
>Freedom of expression
It's just pandering to a different market
>>141194602
>Japanese classes
Anon, I'm out of college. I could maybe go to my local community college and take a Japanese class and pick up girls there. But they'd be under 21 and I'd be some weird old guy who likes to bang barely legal chicks. I just don't have it in me.
>alternative girls
Sadly I hide my power level extremely well. I'm basically stuck with the most straight edge and normie of girls.
Also is you're sister hot anon? Is she in
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>>141194543
Hiding "adult" stuff in cartoons hasn't gone away. It's always been there and always will be, but as for why the Renaissance died there are a few reasons. A big part of it was the cultural shifts that occurred following tragedies such as Columbine and 9/11. Censorship was cranked up as a result. Another thing that contributed to the fall was everyone's rush to copy Ren & Stimpy. The late 90's and early 2000's were filled with, largely horrible, gross out humor shows.
>>141194737
Japs have some backbone when they told the UN to fuckoff for trying to censor their chinese cartons recently.
>>141194498I know it sounds stupid, but Christian black girls.
>tend to not be fat
>not ghetto
>usually go to college
>usually virgins
>usually into anime
>a quarter of them will have a cute face, and all the non fat ones have killer bodies
>hair is fun to play with
Sage and spoiler for off topic normie shit.
>>141194702
A lack of freedom of expression is not what's holding the west back, the best anime isn't necessarily full of tits and ass. Take Gankutsuou for an example- it's based on western literature, it has artistic merit, and it's a cartoon. The first two are obviously acceptable in the west, but the latter isn't because of stigma about animation unrelated to prudish attitudes.
Sex sells though, and marketability is the most important factor.
It found a way.
OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycfdfinG_P8
ED1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXDNGS9V4Us
ED2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4DyTjrruVo
PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
EP 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_rz1bluG_k
>>141190299
its a visual clusterfuck
humor wise reminds me to good 90s cartoons
>>141194795
The UN has no fucking teeth to begin with, so the Japs fighting back meant nothing.
>>141194933
Not that guy, but it being a visual clusterfuck is half the reason I found it visually appealing.
Its weird I like anime a whole lot more than western animation but my facmvorite film ever is a western cartoon (herzfield's beautiful day)
>>141194995
in gumball case being a visual clusterfuck isnt a bad thing, its actually one of it strong points
Ishould have pointed that in my reply
>>141194861Sounds like solid advice though I probably won't be able to put it to good use. It's okay I've excepted dating super normie girls at this point.
>/co/ actually praising and liking Reddit and Morty
>>141195169
I have always said that linking to reddit should be an autoban.
>>141194795
This is the nation that bans images of vaginas and penises. Freedom of speech in press is dangerously low right now and Japan will eventually bend over
>>141194701
Russian animation is top tier tho
>>141195249
how much time until Japan bans all kind of lewd from media?
>>141194875
What the fuck is based off of real literature in the west. Not YA genre fiction.
>>141195127
Oh, I see. I agree. When I first saw the show the animation made me angry, but after finishing the episode I saw that they really struck gold with whatever that shit was. Too bad the animation quality takes a big dive after season one, it was the best part of the show. Still funny though.
>>141195163It's just my personal experiences. Three of the four girls I've dated have been black, and two of those were super Christian blackaboos that liked anime. They had shit tastes, but they were pure and didn't judge me for my hobbies so I liked them a lot. I'm actually still with the latter one now, over two years. Good luck though man, whatever route you take. You could always try jap classes like that one anon said, my gf is in them so they can't be all bad.
>>141195169
>tfw my coworker spent ten minutes telling me how "deep" Rick and Morty was because it had a couple of dark things to happen
I tried to pretend to be interested.
>>141195298
2 years. NHK is already on the march and any journalism that speaks against it is called inflammatory
>>141195227
But there's actually a really good PPL program on Reddit that works wonders on /fit/. Unless you meant just for /a/.
>>141195321
Are you kidding? There are countless movies based on literature.
>>141195417
I cant think of any
>>141195356
Have you actually watched Rick and Morty? Maybe you are the "cartoons are for kids"guy.
>>141195466
The world masterpiece theater.
>>141195249
>>141195298
God, keep it alive
>>141195466
I Robot
Catch 22
1984
Pride and Prejudice
Ender's Game
Literally just the first five to come to mind.
>>141195515
I thought we were talking about the west
>>141195468
I like Rick and Morty a lot, and it is dark, but he was talking about it like it was a goddamn Odyssey level masterpiece, hence why it was painful to listen.
>>141195585
2 of those are genre fiction. And older adaptations are the rest.
>>141195614
>odyssey level masterpiece
You mean ullyses? Not many people refer to the odyssey as a masterpiece
>>141195466
Ignoring how completely disconnected from reality you must be to not know of a single movie based on literature (fucking everything gets adapted eventually), you were responding to a post about a series based on the Count of Monte Cristo. How the fuck could you possibly think Japan would have an adaption of it while the west doesn't?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Count_of_Monte_Cristo#Film_and_television
>>141195524
Source? I didn't get anything from Google, but I want to read just because of that well written rant.
>>141195685
I-I-I thought the Odyssey was great though.
>>141195713
You really cant judge the oddessy critically, it's too prevelant to, it creates convention.
>>141195697
Im amazed actually I had no idea.
>>141195713
The author's pen name is literally on the bottom of the page.
>>141192204
just torrented all 13 seasons of KotH
It's gunna be a fun summer
>>141195713
http://exhentai.org/g/767930/9bbf8bff9a/
>>141192204
It's like Arthur but with adult humans.
>>141195789
Shit, I totally missed that, sorry.
>>141195840
Thanks man.
>>141195524
LOLI, AND IT'S CONSUMPTION OF LIFE, HAS BECOME A WELL OILED MACHINE
ID-TAGGED LOLIS CARRY ID-TAGGED SAFETY WHISTLES AND USE ID-TAGGED PANTIES
EVERYTHING IS MONITORED AND KEPT UNDER CONTROL
The only way for adult cartoons to exist is to be comedy. Otherwise, you're straight to video capeshit or kiddie.
>>141195869
BUT I KNOW A HERO WILL COME
AND THE NIGHT, THE NIGHT WILL BE TORN APART
>>141195989
This is way to accurate.
>>141192720
>>141194161
>>141194498
>normie
Hang yourself.
>>141189639
Avatar the Last Airbender is still better than 95% of anime made nowadays
>>141197476
Not really, and Avatar was made in Korea.
>>141197476
Last Airbender had one really great season and a small handful of standout episodes in the other two.
It's well made and I liked it a lot but it's not spectacular.
>>141190598
Old cartoons was the shit, man.
>>141191298
God please don't remind me.
>>141189639
White people aren't genetically capable of being creative.
>>141198271
k
>>141198203
Loved it when Daffy shot the hell out of those weirdass creatures with his Tommy gun.
>>141191705
Digital animation makes shading easier, not harder.
>>141191880
Even modern TV anime has better backgrounds than what Disney made, and they are better integrated with the characters too.
>>141198607
>Even modern TV anime has better backgrounds than what Disney made
I beg to differ. While the backgrounds do look good, the objects in the foreground don't usually match up.
>>141198685
Not sure what you're talking about.
>>141198738
The characters don't look like they're actually there.
>>141198758
That's something anime does better than Disney.
>>141198798
If you're comparing TV shows, maybe. Traditionally animated movies? No.
>>141198861
TV anime does it better than Disney did it in their feature movies.
>>141192204
sunday
Sunday
SUNDAYand saturday
>>141198889
uhuh
>>141198926
Disney is severely overrated. If you remove the fluid animation then you aren't left with much.
>>141198954
w/e
>>141194905Threadly reminder that you should stop posting that because it's been updated.https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/
>>141198978
This isn't your /co/ hugbox.
>>141194905
FOUND THE KEIT-AI
>>141199005
So hold on, from what you said in >>141198954, anime looks better in stills that Disney's feature films do?
>>141194905
endless hordes of low wage 2d animator nips and gooks enable a healthy animation industry
>>141199038
The only thing anime (movie or TV) can't do better is the smoothness of the animation.
>>141199081
And the lack of any sort of union or binding to any studio.
>>141199104
That's where I also disagree. There are some anime out there that can be just as fluid as a Disney feature film.
>>141199159
I don't know of any such anime. Maybe they exist, but they're rare exceptions.
>>141195987
People don't take action cartoons for adults seriously and they don't make money.
>>141199081
America has twice the population, spends a lot more time and money on their animation, and was in a much stronger starting position than Japan.
>>141199855
And can't get a project greenlit for shit.
>>141189639
>not as prude as western shit
>cute girls
>wider range of topics
>a cheaper animation style that still looks goodfor the most part
>entire hobby was driven by people that loved it. if people didn't learn nip and start yellow subbing VHS and trading them around it wouldn't be as big as it is in the west
>no feminist/nigger pandering bullshit and they don't cave to tumblrite trash
there literally hasn't been a good western cartoon in 16+ years
>>141199939
Some of the adult swim-tier cartoons are decent.
>>141199982
Like what?
>>141200014
Rick and Morty had some genuinely funny moments despite its reddit cult. The purge parody was fairly funny.
Why even bother pretending that Western media can hold a candle to Japanese media?
>>141191551
American Dad is great. You have terrible taste.
>>141189639
Because of tradition. A western comic artist may make 1 story of 43 pages in a year, doing most of the work himself.
Manga is created by a team, similar to a movie production. They also produce somewhere around 14 pages a week if I remember it right. This allows for more manga in a shorter time.
More practice makes better results.
Then this is transferred to cartoon/anime.
How american do you have to be to enjoy American Dad? I don't think I've ever even smiled while watching it.
>>141200113
it's the other way around for comics and manga (besides shit like shounen jump and etc)
>>141200155
So American that you think it's a good idea to post English dubbed scenes of anime on Youtube instead of fan subs.
>>141200113
> A western comic artist may make 1 story of 43 pages in a year, doing most of the work himself.
Not sure where you got the number 43 from. Comic book artists work with multiple books at a time for at least a dozen issues each. Also, assistants are usually not credited in manga.
>>141200155
Watch the later seasons when it became less about that and more about what Family Guy should be.
>>141191643
The funny thing is that if they could change that stupid mentality, it would be much cheaper for them to produce a story like Game of Thrones, for instance. And the battles would look a lot more epic.
>>141200271
>where you got the number 43 from
Around there is the standard of french comic books.
>>141200113
>Manga is created by a team
The "team" only does menial work that even a kid can help the artist with, plus digital artists don't need help at all because softwares do the job.
If anything you can say that manga can be a more solid work simply because there are less people the author has to deal with to create the final product.
>>141199939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfrPf9IgHjI
Most western cartoons pander to children and bull dykes with what little that panders to actual adults being trash like Family Guy with a few exceptions like early Simpsons, early South Park, and the entirety of King of the Hill. Anime tends to pander to a wider demographic with stuff like Gundam having things that appease the tastes of both kids and adults while still maintaining some semblance of integrity instead of being braindead shit like western stuff with the exception being harem anime because fuck harem anime it's always the same boring shit.
>>141200325
>less people the author has to deal with
If only manga authors were more willing to stick to their guns and not let publishers and marketing concerns walk over them. The bastards try to forcibly mold shonen manga into the same damn form: fights, fights, fights.
Bleach was good for maybe a few books, then it lost it's soul and became an endless series of lazy ass pull battles and new characters.
I like starting new mangas, you never know what you get in the beginning. But very soon they all end up the same.
Becouse we made kinó and japan made cartoons for manchildren
>>141191234
>Been shit for a long time
The current season has actually been pretty goddamned good surprisingly
>>141200452
>shonen manga
There's your problem.
>>141200444
Harem shows all being the same is a meme. You shouldn't be evaluating anything based on its real or imagined genre anyway.
>>141200509
>Harem shows all being the same is a meme.
>protag is clueless self insert
>girls all start orbiting him like he has a gravitational pull
>he remains completely clueless up until the end
>one girl out of the 37 that are orbiting him wins his heart
>shitstorm on /a/ ensues because their waifu didn't win
>repeat with next harem anime
It is quite literally the same thing over and over again
>>141200640
>implying anyone ever wins anymore
All harems are left open ended so otaku don't riot and burn down offices.
>>141200640
>protag is clueless self insert
This is a meme too. The protagonists aren't all the same (e.g. some of them are ladies men), and "self-insertion" is just Westerners projecting.
>>141200686
>All harems are left open ended so otaku don't riot and burn down offices.
I tend to forget that Japanese NEETs are quite literally insane compared to us western NEETs
>>141200815
Otaku and NEET are not synonymous.
>>141200815
Idol otaku are batshit insane compared to normal ones too.
With shit like Love Live, we're getting Idol Otaku at anime events and it's not going so well.
>>141200452
You obviously haven't read much manga, but you're stupid if you think editors and higher ups don't affect pretty much every form of media.
>>141200909
Are they fans of the seiyuu then?
Japs still can't write nearly as well as Western writers can. They have no sense of pacing.
>>141200983
The seiyuu are idols themselves and perform concerts as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrYcobFZ5TI
>>141201011
And what are Westerners writing that isn't a cartoon for children, a sitcom for adults or a comedy movie for the family?
>>141201028
I know, that's what I was asking about.
>>141200691
>The protagonists aren't all the same (e.g. some of them are ladies men),
yeah we have 2 clichés now, and both are equally horrible
>>141201067
Notice the "e.g." in that sentence.
>>141201065
>only cartoons and movies exist
Try reading actual novels. Japs aren't nearly as talented as Westerners, hence why they import so many books.
>>141201138
We're in a thread discussing Western animation vs. anime so I was obviously assuming you were talking about the same thing.
Japan imports English language books because everyone imports English language books, and because from what I've heard the Japanese read a lot.
>>141201127
Your sentence is more valid without the e.g. though. There are only 2 types of MC's: The Trinity Seven, and the Love Hina. Any harem not featuring one of these is instantly heralded as a masterpiece anyway.
>>141201201
Harem protagonists are not all the same nor do they fall into exactly two categories. Stop spouting memes.
In what sense is it better? Anime still has worse animation than Fantasia or Snow White, and I've yet to see any manga as good as Watchmen or Killing Joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ciBWNwjsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hGCeC4mag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITz-42MbRI
12/10
>>141201255
>In what sense is it better?
In every sense.
>Anime still has worse animation than Fantasia or Snow White
Framerate and animation quality are not the same thing.
>I've yet to see any manga as good as Watchmen or Killing Joke.
There's an unfathomable number of manga in almost every genre about almost every topic.
>>141201259
>American Dad
>>141201349
>I list 4 examples
And you listed none. Put up or shut up.
>>141201371
You listed two examples, and I never claimed I'm going to list any examples.
>>141201445
>Snow White
1
>Fantasia
2
>Watchmen
3
>Killing Joke
4
>>141201445
>I'll criticize others' opinions without presenting my own
Why are you even here?
>>141201522
Snow White and Fantasia are animation.
>>141201547
But I already did: >>141201349
>>141201548
Killing Joke and Watchmen got animated too :^)
>>141201594
And?
>>141201611
There's no way you're above 13.
>>141201656
There's no way you can explain why it makes any difference whether or not Killing Joke and Watchmen have been animated.
>>141201680
Because those are both written better than any anime, brickwall-kun.
>weebs getting a hard-on by comparing their precious anime with a dead industry
never change.
>implying there's any anime which is as good as The Boondocks
>thread about brazilian and chinese cartoons
>not anime
kek
>>141201255
I'm just gonna assume you don't read manga at all
>>141201725
So I take it that you're from /co/ and your experience with anime is limited to Dragon Ball Z or something.
And you're getting confused here. You cited Snow White and Fantasia as supposed examples of Western animation being better, and then you cited Watchmen and Killing Joke as examples of Western comics being better than manga. Now you're just getting them all mixed up together.
>>141189639
Simple. They care about their craft. Not that they have a choice. They live on a small island crammed with people. They simply have no place to shoot live-action TV/Movies like America can and they're addicted to manga (as everyone should be).
America has Disney though, and you're a fool to not appropriate historically what they've contributed to animation.
Old Disney movies looked very smooth and clean since they were all animated in 1s with their unlimited budget but they were never really that impressive or complex. The intricate and skillfully animation Japan has put out over the years with a fraction of the budget of fairly outweighs what the west once did.
>>141201780
Try and follow along. It might be challenging, but I'll try and come down to your level.
Snow White and Fantastia are animation.
They have excellent animation on display.
They are better animated than anything Japs ever made.
Killing Joke and Watchmen are graphic novels/animation.
They have excellent writing, pacing, and character development.
They are better written than anything Japs ever made.
So, the West has better animation in terms of visuals, and writing.
What else is there? You'll never, ever, ever have a Japanese animation studio or personality as influential to the industry, let alone the world, as Disney was. Ever.
Are chinese the only ones who try to keep up in 2D animation?
Let's post animation around the world now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNj9D6amefA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SApSVOLeGU
Anyone seen Anomalisa by the way?
>>141201805
Of course they have places to shoot live action TV and movies, and they do that all the fucking time.
>>141201898
You need to watch more anime and read more manga. And he's right your argument was all over the place.
>>141201925
and they fucking suck. Japan's film industry died with kurosawa.
>>141201948
You're defeated. You've sunken so low you're pretending to be someone else and, effectively, trying to get in a quick jab before shutting the door so you think you "got" me. Put up or shut up. I'd suggest the latter.
How many Oscars do anime films have? I believe it's zero.
>>141201898
>They are better animated than anything Japs ever made.
I already told you that framerate and animation quality are not the same thing.
>They are better written than anything Japs ever made.
I already told you that there's an unfathomable number of manga in almost every genre about almost every topic.
>You'll never, ever, ever have a Japanese animation studio or personality as influential to the industry, let alone the world, as Disney was. Ever.
So what?
>>141202013
rekt :^)
>>141201994
Whatever makes you sleep at night.
>>141201990
"I'm only familiar with Kurosawa" does not equal "Japanese cinema sucks except for Kurosawa."
>>141202013
Spirited Away won an Oscar, but it's not like it matters.
>>141202021
The fact there are manga about every subject means literally nothing, since the same can be said about comics. Not to mention that point is entirely irrelevant to the argument.
>animation quality and framerate aren't important
Oh, so what fairytale quality did I magically forget? Go ahead, I dare you to say "art style" when Disney's art style was taken by literally every anime ever made.
I hate to sound like a Westaboo, but Japan can't compete with Shakespeare, Tolkien, or Disney.
>>141202140
>Japan can't compete with Shakespeare, Tolkien
why are you listing literature?
I think even weebs have to admit that japan's literature can't hold a candle to westerns literature.
Russia alone crushes japan
>>141202013
Who cares?
The animation category is literally a joke to the judges.
