What's the difference between Japanese and American space?
>>141154358
Japanese space is full of lolis.
>>141154358
>American space
Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
>Japanese space
Humans are the only intelligent life out there but that's bad enough because we want to kill each other.
>>141154358
gundamn and glamorized Aliens
>>141154358
About an inch in length and girth
Jap space:
>skin tight suits everywhere
>mechs
>the whole crew of ships and mechs are teens that barely stopped wetting the bed
>space magic everywhere
>magic space races that are colored humans to increase space magic
American Space:
>sexy colored women (which the japs smartly copies)
>serious adult crews
>actual hard sci-fi that isn't a vessel for otaku pandering
>actually a legitimate media pursuit unlike japs
Even my favorite anime space adventure, Yamato 2199, is subject to pretty much all the shit I listed above.
>>141154405
>>141154358
Humans are technically created by Aliens from another planet.
Human evolution is an innovation intricate by extraterritorial life form into homosapien.
>>141154516
best game ever, sadly for the poor pacing thought. The story could have gotten a justified treatment.
American space:
Wealth of high quality sci-fi writers from Assimov to Frank Herbert.
Japanese space:
Light Novel source material, guaranteed harem with stock characters, tsundere romance, chunni plot.
>>141154509
>implying Americans dont do space magic and dont pander mindless capefags.
>>141154695
Almost all sci-fi relies on a bit of space magic.
>>141154695
>implying that still isn't better than 99% of jap space shit
What have they done well? LoGH, Planetes, Crest/Banner of the Stars (which is more of a romance than anything), and Yamato? Wow, so impressive, they managed to occasionally somewhat coherently copy a Western genre.
>>141154762
Planetes sucks.
>>141154624
Problem with Japanese space is the authors put to much bullshit in it. Good sci-fi needs a proper 7-3 reasonable to bullshit ratio. Japan usually does more like 4-6.
One got nuked and one didn't?
American space = Brutal Terrans
Japanese space = Self-defensive Argons
>>141154762
>didn't list cowboy bebop
>>141154358
>What's the difference between Japanese and American space?
American space is filled with illegal aliens
>>141154770
Well, honestly I agree, but I included it because it's well received by a lot of people. The fact that I included something I didn't even like to flesh out the numbers should say something.
>>141154796
That's really true. I know Mass Effect isn't /a/ at all, but a big reason why I thought it was so great is because so much of the science was believable if you accepted the nonexistent Element Zero as real. Mass Effect Fields, Mass Effect Drives, the Mass Effect driven guns, all of it became believable scientifically. Past that, you only had the bullshit biological shit to swallow, and it was pretty easy by then in my opinion since most of it was only covered in the uncanny valley sex scenes and Codex pages.
>>141154358
American space is more politics
> star trek
> star wars
> ds9
Japanese space is more sexy 1000 year old lolis
>>141154400
>Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
What is Gunbuster?
>>141154865
Cowboy Bebop was a Western in space, just like Firefly. It was most definitely not a Space Western, in which the sci-fi and space elements took a front seat. I liked it, but including it would be out of place.
Avatar is Anime
>>141154762
then my statement still stands, why are you yapping your mouth.
>American future- dystopic shitholes rife with class systems and corruption
>Japanese future- Loli utopias
>>141154762
in other word what you are saying is, regardless how well or original the nip do it, as long as the west does first; therefore they are superior by default. Nice small minded conclusion that fit your brain rightly.
>>141154509
Are you joking?
American sci-fi has always been ths lowest shit-tier garbage, the "best" of american space sci-fi is merely decent compared to japanese space sci-fi
>>141154931
>Op asks for the difference between nip and murican space
>murican has space magic, but has hard sci-fi
>hard sci-fi is basically nonexistent in anime, and almost all of it is space magic
>both have space magic, but the thread was about differences between the two
>you're getting mad because I didn't bring up similarities as well
Get over it.
>America - let's conquer the aliens' home planet
>Japan - let's fuck the space elves
>>141154950
>in other word what you are saying is, regardless how well or original the nip do it, as long as the west does first; therefore they are superior by default
Not at all. Japan has a few solid examples of good sci-fi. It's just that they usually choose to suck at the genre, so the west still reigns supreme without even a small challenge from Japan.
>>141154972
>American sci-fi has always been ths lowest shit-tier garbage
Holy shit, the weeibism is real. List your top five jap sci-fi creations, and I'll list some western ones that are objectively better.
>>141154990
all im saying is American space have poor shits too.
All you do is barking, about Japan copy America. That't not an argument.
It's tempting to think that Japanese writers are sub-par desu because all of the media that reaches the West is LN/manga/anime stuff, which is badly written as a rule.
I'm sure there are exceptions that none of us know about - maybe.
>>141154990
it's not that hard to understand.
>>141154932
But Japan loves dystopian futures way more than Murica does.
Sidonia and Gurren Ragann are hard space sci-fi?
>>141155042
Oh, I totally agree. Most of it is shit, same as with any medium. The difference is that western sci-fi embraced the best, most basic parts of the genre, while largely Japan missed the point.
>All you do is barking, about Japan copy America
It wasn't supposed to be an argument, just my opinion based off of my observations. Like I said, most of anime completely misses the point of anime, and thinks it's just a new setting with which to recycle pandering tropes and cliches in. It's not always bad, I mean I loved Starship Operators, but it was completely guilty of everything I've listed.
>>141154516
ANIME WHEN!?
>>141155060
>I'm sure there are exceptions that none of us know about - maybe.
There are. Crest/Banner of the Stars is based off of a pretty good sci-fi book series from what I've heard. Too bad it will never be translated.
>>141155143
Am I alone in wanting a Xenosaga anime instead? And wanting movies instead of a series for higher quality?
>>141155175
I suspect that Western writers are somewhat better for various reasons, but mostly because our traditions for verbal enterprises are more impressive, such as philosophy, literature, law, etc., indicating more merit.
I'm sure that stuff's okay, though.
>>141155024
>list somethings and I'll tell you they're shit
seems pretty pointless. Any gundam is better just because the plot has a legitimate goal and progression. Also, if yamato 2199 is what you consider the pinnacle of Japanese space sci-fi, you need to watch more anime.
>>141155231
I wasn't trying to say Japns are anywhere near western writers here if that's what you though. Crest/Banner of the Stars is literally the only sci-fi book from Japan that I've heard all around positive things about. And if you see the show you'll see it has a lot of good sci-fi in it.
>>141155083
GL isn't hard in any way, shape or form, but its still sci fi and a great series.
Sidiona is actually pretty hard sci fi. Although it does get slightly softer as it goes on.
>>141154509
>American space
>hard sci-fi
>not pandering to geeks
I want babylon 5 and stargate anime series with all the characters as cute girls.
>>141154770
Nah you suck
One is folded over 1000 times.
>>141155557
>genki irresponsible shadow-sama saying that chaos is good, fufufu
>strict vorlon-onee-san reprimanding and reminding everyone that rules should be obeyed, ara ara
>>141154358
>>141157937
Stop reminding me how great x3 was, they thoroughly fucked their franchise up with AP and rebirth.
>>141154972
Are we only talking visual media here? American sci-fi literature is vast and a portion of it is brilliant.
Mexicans have the right idea.
I can't remember the last time I watched something in space that didn't devolve into magic bullshit or pseudo-philosophy.
>>141155264
>Any Gundam is better....
Holy shit dude I love the Gundam series but read a book god dam.
To me Japanese sci-fi is usually a fantasy story in space (aliens use magick so crazy!!!) whereas American sci-fi is drama in space (people cheating, murdering, betraying, but in space).
>>141154900
A minority of exceptions does not invalidate the trend.
>>141154358
I prefer Japanese space
At least it's not full of these fucking horrifying shits
>>141160220
o que la fregada
Dune
Star Wars
Star Trek
Event Horizon
Alien
Avatar
>>141154972
What is Interstellar?
>>141161626
Shit?
>>141161626
Overrated?
>>141161626
A stunning visual work of art with one of the best soundtracks known to man
>>141154624
>Asimov
>American
>>141161626
I know this is bait but it still got me mad. Good job anon.
>>141154358
>Jap space
hype as shit
>American space
We've run out of ideas where can we go next
American space has songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60BjkUtqxPE
>>141161235
are there any anime or manga that have an aesthetic similar to the original Alien?
Isn't it a bit unfair to compare Western literature to Japanese cartoons? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare cartoons to cartoons, comics to comics, live action movies to live action movies, video games to video games, and literature to literature?
>>141162249
>Isaac Asimov (/ˈaɪzᵻk ˈæzᵻmɒv/;[2] born Isaak Ozimov; circa January 2, 1920[1] – April 6, 1992) was an American author and professor of biochemistry at Boston University, best known for his works of science fiction and for his popular science books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
2/10 apply yourself
>>141162894
>Asimov was born between October 4, 1919 and January 2, 1920[1] in Petrovichi near Klimovichi, then Gomel Governorate in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (now Smolensk Oblast, Russia) to Anna Rachel (née Berman) and Judah Asimov, a family of Jewish millers.
I know America is a pathetic nation with a hopelessly shit genepool, but you really should stop trying to attribute great people to yourself like this, it only makes you even more pathetic (if that is even possible).
>>141154796
I think you're just cherry picking here. US space has this same bullshit problem but since there's more to choose from, people tend to forget the crappy stuff. I mean, need I remind you of the 1.2 million troops stupidity from Star Wars?
>>141161151
nor set it
>>141162808
this whole thread is about cherrypicking, why bother making fair comparisons?
>>141160220
Neo America was also pretty good, a star with a big flag and the Statue of Liberty.
>>141162808
Because in that case you cannot act like the west is great and Japan shit in order to "annoy the weebs!!1"
>>141154358
Couple of hundred kilometers, I presume.
>>141154400
>Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
Agreed. Alien symbolizes those filthy immigrants who inevitably will ruin America
>>141163427
Because some anons want to discuss the subject correctly and properly rather than shitposting.
Even i know i need to take a break from shitposting and do some actual disscusion for once.
>>141156758
that... sounds great. I would watch.
>>141162996
He may have been born in the Soviet Union, but his family didn't stick around there for very long. His family moved to the us when he was 3. He grew up in Brooklyn speaking English, he went to school in the US speaking English. and he got his start writing in in American pulp magazines. I'd say that qualifies him as an American author.
>>141154509
say hello to transformer
japan space is best space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWQpOCBWcsM
So that Robert Heinlien fellow is pretty genreiatic (genre geriatric) but in his time the future thing was exploited, or shouldwesay sexploited, as the progression away from "old world" morals meant spaace was the 60's but with upper level management being in on it also. I recently took a diversion into a heinlien book because I was being tormented by demons of my own creation about the effects on my life from spending so much time on anime, it was called "Time Enough for Love" about how luminati eugenics exponential success coincided with galactic colonialization, such that the garysue patriarch saw it all go by, going from 15 year old ww2 into space clint Eastwood sexing space chicks for so long that as soon as he got his clone organs fixed in he was solicited by most of his cousin-granddaughters who would be a few hundred years his junior but also old while looking young due tobspace tech and age defying eugenics and med tech. I could barely even until his plucky twin fem clone daughter sisters also wanted his space seed. Fucking weab shit, cis scum
>>141154358
Pic related.
>>141155264
>Any gundam is better just because the plot has a legitimate goal and progression
Holy shit.
>>141154358
I hope irl we adopt the skin tight suits for either battle or space.
>>141170910
If only such a thing was practical. The mecha is more practical.
>>141170376
Yeah Heinlein's later works are like that.
>sound effects in open space
>>141170968
I read that skintight suits are actually practical and would work.
>>141170968
>If only such a thing was practical. The mecha is more practical.
Lol wut. Skintight space suits are an actual thing. They've never been flown but at one point they were doing full scale testing in vacuum chambers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_activity_suit
>>141155020
I'll admit, the Japs are pretty great at the latter, but Kirk made it popular.
>>141162761
Blame? Or Angels Egg?
>>141172050
I've noticed a lot of the shit that people attribute to the Japanese in this thread were actually made and popularized in another country, then just adopted by the Japs. Even the skintight suits in >>141170382 started in trash dime fiction novels and crappy sci-fi movies.
>>141162808
This. You cannot compare Anime to Literature, because it simply didn't have the same amount of time of written material as one medium to another.
Even films have difficulty for doing Hard Sci-fi and stuff like Interstellar still derive on dribble on supernatural shit likelove.
Only TV Series like ST:TNG or Babylon 5 fit the bill sort of. Although it still has flaws of not going deep enough.
We are not getting Foundation by Isaac Asimov like qualities in Anime. Or even stuff even close to being as good in any other medium. No medium stands a chance against literature when it comes to purely written stories. Anime, Cartoons, Comics, TV Shows, and Movies are never going to get that articulate ever. The only medium I see reaching those heights are Graphic Novels, but then again those are getting a bit ridiculous lately as well.
Whenever Sci-Fi is involved there will always be the faction of people that want more Star Wars/Firefly then Hard Sci-fi like TNG/Babylon 5.
>>141172064
>>141162761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBZuBUw_F68
>>141154358
Japanese space barely exists anymore because it's too far removed from a high school setting. Unless they bring the high school to space like fucking Valverave
>>141172353
Not just the spacesuits -- it's the contrast between cute schoolgirls in one and burly men in the other.
>>141162808
>>141172360
Nobody here is comparing anime to literature, they're comparing PULP (Assimov, Herbert, Dick) to PULP (Urobuchi, Okada, etc.)
When pulp is really good, it becomes 'literature'. None of this is literature.
>>141162808
Western literature is boring as fuck thou, people only read it cause it's required in school.
>>141162808
More unholy collaborations like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZty-Eol4s
>>141172360
>Even films have difficulty for doing Hard Sci-fi
The Alien movies felt pretty hard to me. Hard sci-fi doesn't necessarily mean you need to explain every single piece of science behind the story, just that everything is believable and there's no asspull "it's space magic" shit going on. It's not difficult for a film to do hard sci-fi, it's just that shit like Interstellars magical fifth dimenion gravity being love is much easier to package to a wider audience.
>>141172360
Although the closest we have gotten to a true Hard Sci-fi with films is 2001: A Space Odyssey. Though some people will debate me on that movie and legitimacy on evolution to godhood.
>>141172501
Of course none of anime is going to be literature. Same with all other mediums. I've been saying that stories from those Pulp authors you've mentioned are never going to be topped storytelling wise in any other Medium but Literature. It is an unrealistic goal for anime writers that are aiming to gain a profit rather then make passion projects like these seminal authors.
It ain't realistic. Unless they have big named directors like Kubrick come in and say they have 100% power over the project.
>>141172501
>this fag is actually trying to claim that the biggest sci-fi writers weren't writing literature
Probably the shittiest taste I've seen all year.
>>141172663
You don't seem to understand what literature is.
Oh, hey, you know Light Novels and Manga? The writing in those is AWFUL beyond compare, too.
>>141172683
It depends on what they were trying to accomplish. Asimov doesn't really qualify in my opinion because he's too close to pulp and doesn't write in the traditional form (his stuff is more transparent thematically, it's more about "this is interesting" rather than "this is thematically interesting"), but someone like Herbert might have indeed accomplished entry into the Western canon with Dune.
>>141172640
Now look. Alien is a great film. But Aliens butchered the whole methos for me.
>>141172705
Again. Those authors are trying to make stories that are for a profit. Why do you think Shonen magazine publications have contests for introducing new stories? It's by finding the most profitable stories out there for a general audience. Light Novels used to be different before the 2000's. Only when they adopted the anime mentality post-2000's is when it got shitty. I mean Light Novels were stuff like Arslan from Yoshiki Tanaka.
It's just the Haruhi boom that things sunked real fucking low for Light-Novels.
>>141155264
dude, just stop
>>141172705
The hobbit and lord of the ring are basically fantasy light novels.
There is no difference, just that the former is older.
american space nothing or aliens
jap space the alien enemies were humans all along?
>>141172683
There's a grain of truth to it. SciFi has historically been looked down on as cheap trash by more "mainstream" literary circles. The term SciFi Ghetto doesn't exist for nothing and the reasons for its existence haven't entirely gone away.
>>141172971
What I'm trying to say is. Most people in this current generation are not going to make the masterpieces in literature as they did in the 20th century. The stuff that is influential in today's society is profitable books like Harry Potter, Hunger Games, or Twillight. Which are basically shit books if you asked me. Most of the greatest authors back in the day were not rich and most of their books were passion projects that they made just because. And were featured on a magazine or newspaper. Most of these amazing books of literature were made by people who were desperate or were researching passionately for other ventures and then their well known book came by during those researches. I mean authors like HP Lovecraft, Asimov, or Tolkien didn't become hugely praised people at the time. They were awkward, weird and nerds that made books on their own time because they had nothing else to do but crammed the experiences and stuff they learned from their research in their specific niches.
Only about 5-10 years afterwards they get praised and get compensated.
>>141172971
Well, I was really only thinking of Alien when I wrote that comment, but what didn't you like about Aliens?
>>141173192
>Tolkien quite literally invents the modern fantasy genre
>this fucking idiot still tries to claim that the writings of Tolkien are on the same level as your generic fantasy light novels that badly rip off his works and mix it with anime tropes
Jesus Christ, discussing anything that's not from Japan on /a/ is painful. The weebs come out in full force.
>>141173567
>Tolkien quite literally invents the modern fantasy genre
Some goblins and a basic story structure is inventing a genre? western fags actually believe this.
>>141173700
This has to be some really good bait. Nobody is this stupid.
>>141154857
>>self defense argon
>>self defensespoken like a true zeke
>>141173567
Well, yeah. I'm on the party that Alien is a great movie and is the best Sci-Fi Horror film ever made.
Aliens felt like it butchered the feeling of dread and uncertainty of the first film. I guess it all comes down to it having a more uplifting ending to the franchise. Rather then the whole "YOUR FUCKING ALONE" in space type of ending that Alien had.
>>141173700
You are being very ignorant. Tolkien made those stories as a fictional example of his experience when he went TO FUCKING WAR. And he translated it into a full blown myth in his own mind painted into writing. When at the time people were writing mystery/noire type stories.
Although H.G. Welles, Merry Shelley, Grimms did proceed him in making fantasy-esque worlds. What Tolkien created were the main stay races and ideologies within fantasy literature.
You are correct. He did not create the fantasy genre. That would definitely be the people who made religions and the ancient mythologies.
>>141172050
What about that that episode of TNG with that planet where everyone fucks each other like crazy but follows draconian laws?
>>141174096
The fantasy genre is much different from Scandinavian stories about elves and goblins. It's a cohesive world.
>>141154358
There is no such thing as Japanese space, all space belongs to America.
>>141173192
Twilight and The Mortal Instruments are better examples of fantasy light novels than those.
>>141172663
The Martian did pretty well with the hard sci-fi stuff though.
>>141174148
But that's the same shit as Mythologies/Religions of old. Tolkien didn't create the whole THIS IS A UNIVERSE WITH LORE in storytelling. He created the cliche's and mainstays of fantasy. Like the races, species, and other superficial stuff that everyone copied from him.
Like here's an interesting idea. What if we knew who was the man that was the most important of a mythology. Or better yet compare Tolkien's Middle Earth to King James Bible. They establish rules that are very similar to each other. The core feeling I get from all fantasies is that they are all Epics. And Epics are created from storytellers from a bygone age wayyyy before this millennium.
>>141174245
If you say Martian is Hard Sci-Fi then Gravity is Hard Sci-Fi. It still is held behind with some crap story.
>>141154972
Are you fucking serious, dude? I mean we all love anime/Jap sci-fi here; this is /a/. But, come on.
>>141174245
Because The Martian was based on a true story.
>>141174383
>It still is held behind with some crap story.
So is 2001: A Space Odyssey, right?
>>141174383
The martian movie maybe. But the book? It was pretty hard, with most of the inaccuracies being deliberate choices on the part of the author.
>>141174096
>He did not create the fantasy genre. That would definitely be the people who made religions
A tip of the fedora to you, good sir.
>>141174383
Except with the martian I could suspend what little I needed to to have a good time.
With gravity I was already moaning when the non momentum kept pulling clooney away after they had grabbed onto the space station in like the first 10 minutes of the film.
>>141174437
2001: A Space Odyssey isn't about the writing it is more about the visceral experience of "getting" what it is about. At the time it was Hard Sci-fi I mean. Kubrick & Clark actually got NASA experts to help them on making their setting as real/accurate as possible. Shit the fucking goddamn movie had Skype, Universe Wide-Communication, VLOGs/Journal diaries. And the such. The ending and beginning are based off of real theories of the time of the films making. I mean I see the monolith as the instinct to evolve. Or you could see it more superficial as "it was le aliens".
>>141174511
Come on dude. Epics/Religious Stories are the progenitors of Fantasy.
>>141174383
Tolkien was Catholic, of course he's influenced by the King James Bible.
>>141174511
He's right, though. Tolkien didn't invent high fantasy, he revived it from Germanic/Anglo-Saxon tradition, which is just as great an accomplishment.
>>141154509
>actual hard sci-fi
You cannot be serious.
>>141174640
>>141175081
It's not technically true that old pagan religions were the origin of fantasy. Fantasy and the fantastic are different.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_fantasy#Differences_between_fantasy_and_earlier_fantastic_works
In b4 wikipedia.
>>141174767
>Catholic, of course he's influenced by the King James Bible.
Yes Tolkien was Catholic, but the King James Bible is the Bible for the Church of England the Catholic Church uses the Catholic Bible.
Space Sci-Fi tiers:
1. Russian/Soviet: imaginative, realistic, not affected by religious bullshit. Grounded in the strong mathematical and engineering basis of the USSR's educational system and academia. Ayys are mostly super strange entities that are at the borderline of human intellect to grasp. Groundbreaking and timelessly inspiring. 10/10.
2. Chinese Sci-Fi: Quite similiar to the Russian one as in imaginative concepts footed in realism and cutting edge science/engineering, but a lot darker, pessimistic, and filled with suffering on a galactic scale. Humans usually lose vs the overpowering science aliens. As in losing completely with no twist or happy end. Lacking in some characterization, but making it up with an insanely immersive universe. 9.5/10.
3. US Golden Age Sci-Fi: Pioneers in terms of (then) fresh and interesting concepts and ideas. Established most well recognized tropes of nowadays sci-fi genre. But human characterization is usually pretty shit, since stories were more about the 'world' than individual humans. Also, nowadays most stories read pretty vintage and retro for our tastes. 9/10.
4. Japanese Sci-Fi: Wouldnt actually call that sci-fi, but more politics and economy in spess. LOGH isnt so much sci-fi as it was merely Cold War with !not19th-century aetheticsin 'space'. And modern Japanese sci-fi have nice style, and sometimes even hard-sci-fi designs, but that otaku pandering... Holy hell.
Not really good, but also not bad. A straight 5/10, no need to see me after class.
5. Modern Day American Sci-Fi. Shit. Utter, complete shit. If you want to tell a story about that inane and laughable US system of "presidential election", then please dont use the sci-fi genre like a piece of toilet paper to wipe your shit-filled ass with. Same with big budget shit like Avatar, that are merely SJW environmentalist propaganda made by disney.
US sci-fi is fucking dead. 0/10 see me after class.
>>141175384
>If you want to tell a story about that inane and laughable US system of "presidential election", then please dont use the sci-fi genre like a piece of toilet paper to wipe your shit-filled ass with.
Not sure if this is better than the president fighting aliens in a jet plane.
>>141175384
can you recommend me some chinese scifi?
only one I've even heard of is the three body problem
>>141175384
This. Russians make the best Sci-Fi. Just look at Solaris or Stalker by Andrei Tarkovsky.
>>141175304
Thanks for the clarification. It still doesn't deny my words that Fantastical stories are progenitors to what Fantasy is. Although I now understand that Fantasy is more based on a different universe then ours.
>>141175491
That basically.
And that authors other books.
There are also some earlier sci-fi from the 50s and even the 30s. Mostly modern ones by Liu Cixin and Han Song are the most accessible and represent that 'pessimistic feel' the best.
>>141175556
Or Vasili Golovachov's stuff for the completely opposite end.
>>141175491
Three Body is the best.
Althought that ending wasnt as pessimistic as that anon said.
Love did bloom on the battlefield at last.Bu only after humanity lost their entire space fleet and millions of lives to a single fucking ayylium probe.
>>141175384
Why are you browsing this board ?
I'm not trying to insult you or anything, I'm just wondering why you'd browse a board like this if you dislike chink cartoons.
>>141175903
I enjoy watching Japanese science fiction only for their occassional god-tier designs.
Pic fucking related.
>>141175940
Not sure why you mentioned Avatar, which is movie self-admittedly made with the intentions of a hack and something about presidential elections.
>>141154624
Pretty much this. America has all sorts of space sci-fi. Meanwhile, Japan has two types: space elves or space mechas. It's sad, because I'd really like to read some quality japanese sci-fi, but it just doesn't exist.
>>141176083
well theres also the space prussians
>>141175556
Lem would've been really mad to be called Russian.
>>141174096
>Well, yeah. I'm on the party that Alien is a great movie and is the best Sci-Fi Horror film ever made.
>Aliens felt like it butchered the feeling of dread and uncertainty of the first film.
That's certainly understandable.
But I think you've misunderstood something.
Alien is a Sci Fi Horror in that you're trapped in a metal tin can with a beastie you can't kill nor injure both due to lack of weapons and its acid blood being fully capable of burning through layers of hull and leaving you exposed to vaccum.
Aliens is a Sci Fi Action flick where you're an armed team of marines inserted into a planetside combat zone.
They're two different genre's.
>No mention of the greatest Space Opera
>>141176824
been mentioned a bunch of times
>>141155264
You are on /a/, a board populated entirely by people who like anime too much, and even here you are surrounded by people who think you are a being a total weeaboo.
>>141174511
>>141176412
I'm more in the feel of Alien then Aliens, because Aliens is just another project from Cameron that is an action flick. It missed the subtleties of the first film. Sure it was a bunch of Marines that had a mission to take out the infestation, but I personally feel the story was better with the first film.
Wait for the Neo. >>141154990
Gunbuster is hard sci-fi
>>141154972
The Expanse objectively crushes everything Japan's ever made in space-based sci-fi. The closest they've ever come was Wings of Honneamise, and it spent 98% of the time not in space.
>>141170382
they're just using more advanced models.
>>141161626
shit.
>1/3rd of the movie spend in MUH AMERICAN FARMER LIFE IS HARD, M'KAY?
who gives a shit about murrican farmers?
>>141177399
>Gunbuster is hard sci-fi
The worst part is that you might actually be serious.
>>141154509
>serious adult crews
except when you have the rogue cowboy mentality guy who might as well be duke nukem shooting things. they act no better than japanese teenagers.
The fact that every worthwhile post in this thread is talking about old books of the 20th century should tell you all you need to know. And basically this >>141172360
Finally, you bitch and moan all you want about otakus or whatever the shit you think up, but there's literally nothing lower than current murican sci-fi. Pure garbage. At least anime are still enjoyable and not propaganda tier, toilet humor trash.
This exists, your argument is invalid.
>>141155264
>gundam
You should probably kill yourself if you think a toy commercial is ever going to have a good story.
>>141177557
Unfortunately, this is actually true - though after you mounted the thermal control system, some radiation shielding, and so forth, it really would be very sexy.
>>141178113
Literally by mentally ill people. Literally.
>>141178384
>thermal control system
sweat is expected to provide adequate cooling as long as the fabric lets moisture evaporate into vacuum. that's more effective than sweating on earth.
>>141176083
This is it in a nutshell. American space has a lot more crap because there's a lot more there, but far more if it is actually okay or even good.
American Space is also a vacuum, and sometimes that's relevant.
>>141178440
>lets moisture evaporate into vacuum
...
But then you'd be losing water. You're job is hard enough already - do you have any idea how much mass that stuff has?
>>141178038
>20th century should tell you all you need to know
You don't reach a consensus on anything until a couple of decades after the fact. There is stuff of a similar caliber i could mention, but I don't want to turn it into a shitstorm.
Besides. Anime never reached the same peak.
Can anyone name a Japanese sci-fi that has spurred on a huge amount of world building?
Older sci-fi literature and even more modern media forms such as Star Wars, Star Trek, and so on have large amounts of exposition to build up their respective universes. In the cases such as SW and ST, have huge amounts of expanded material to sort through.
I can't think of anything Japanese that has even attempted that much. They seem to be all be self contained and that any world building elements are simply settings to be given for character development.
>>141178719
It's harder to regulate temperature than it is to ingest water, in space.
Temperature regulation requires radiators, shielding, a/c, batteries, fluids, ventilation. Meanwhile, drinking water requires a plastic bag and a straw.
>>141178719
it's not like you want to spend hours in vacuum on a daily basis. and it saves on weight for the suit systems. the overall loss of water due to use of evaporation-cooled space suits would be fairly low.
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Japanese space has magical girls.
Although I'm still waiting for a series that combines magical girls and mecha in space.
>>141179029
Do you mean official works or some sort of expanded universe thing, which basically is professional and sanctioned fanfiction? We probably never hear of the latter.
>>141179757
You mean magical girls vs mechas or magical girls in mechas?
>>141180097
Magical girls in mechas fighting other magical girls in mechas, of course.
>>141179757
Well, at least we had idols in mechas in space.
>>141180097
Manly men piloting the mecha with a magical girl (in vacuum) as wingman.
>>141179757
>>141180542
It's literally airing this very season.
>>141154509
>actual hard sci-fi
>>141179029
No, that's not how Japan works.
>>141181054
And it's pure cancer.
>>141154358
>Japanese space
Cool.
>American space
Boring as fuck and so predictable.
Looking at you Star Kek,
>>141181054
What? Macross? I thought it was about planes and singing.
>>141181424
Yeah, but singing is basically magic.
>>141154542
i pray they do a great remake of it like FF7. they probably will.
>>141181632
I'll give it a try, but it's probably not what I had in mind.
>>141172360
I dream of a well made Foundation mini-series or show :~
>>141154358
>>American Sci-fi:
Mature adults traveling through space.
Believable technology
Diverse alien cultures and planets
Stories range from the human condition to hard action dramas
well designed ships
>>Japanese sci-fi:
Mankind is inept and never truly ready to go to space
Aliens all have a culture similar to Japan and they all look human
Humanity is portrayed as violent dumbasses who need to be taken down a notch
Stories never stray far from Earth.
Aliens are either violent bugs or godlike beings who have arrived to teach humans something.
Power of friendship, space magic, singing, and love are all that are needed to save the universe
In short Japanese space sci-fi is a joke compared to American Sci-fi. Watch the old 80's sci-fi cartoon like Galaxy Rangers. They make most space/sci-fi anime look like a joke.
>>141155264
Gundam literally has the same story line every time. Magical boys piloting oversized robot weapons, and fighting evil corporate militarism. Or magical space colonist fighting to free themselves from evil corporate entities on Earth
>>141181632
>>141181054
So, i checked the fight scenes. The girls don't seem space-capable and therefore not matching my criteria >>141180542
>>141179029
>>141182329
>Diverse alien cultures and planets
yeah, right. in reality it's more like
>Aliens all have a culture similar to Japan and they all look human
>Aliens are either violent bugs or godlike beings who have arrived to teach humans something.
murricans are no different. except that the murricans arrive to teach the primitives something.
>>141182011
Isn't HBO making a Foundation series?
>>141183454
Oh, didn't know that. Hopefully it gets finished.
>>141175556
Lem was polish jew by the way. His books are great tho.
>>141182011
I recall Foundation manga , but it wasn't translated
>>141170382
Great, isn't it?
>Japanese space
What does this even mean?
>LoGH
>Planetes
>Banner of the Stars
>Macross
>Gundam
>Welcome to the Space Show
>TTGL
There seems to be a spectrum of things you can choose from.
If you exclude "highschool + space" (boretsu pirates were good tho) setting there isn't much difference. Just remove earth (or atleast make japan as relevant as other countries), extrapolate human history and it is pretty universal.
There is maybe a thing with focus. Japanese space is more humanocetric than western space. It is like "If I can't be japanocentric, I'll make atleast humans and human inventions look good." Western is more about outside fenomena, alien culture etc.
I'm talking about movies/animes, I've never actually read any jap scifi book. You can't really compare books with movies, because they have different audience.
>>141179029
Gundam I guess? It's the closest I can think of, but a lot of the series don't even have anything to do with one another from what I heard so I may be wrong.
>>141186722
>fenomena
you should install a spellchecker
>>141155475
>>141169329
>>141175211
>>141181058
Are you guys serious? America has long been at the forefront of science fiction. Just because you're uneducated illiterates that think the extent of American sci-fi is Star Wars and Transformers doesn't make that the case. If you want to talk about something that isn't anime, try not to show how fucking ignorant you are on the topic you fucking weebs. This is the equivalent of the newfag that's seen five shows talking about how all anime looks the same and is about the same thing.
I do quite like the halo universe.
>>141179757
>magical girls and mecha in space.
So Vividred in space then?
>>141154358
jap space is more confy
american space is boring as fuck
>>141187119
I love that comfy is a thing. It's become such a good short hand to know when people mean "I know it's terrible, but I like it so I am going to avoid admitting how bad it is".
Every good scifi should explore atleast one scientific or ethical aspect that could evolve into something completely new in the future.
What aspect should be explored by anime?
>>141187201
I'm comfy with myself. You can't do me any harm.
>>141187235
Proper goddamn dyson spheres. First contact that is not fucking catgirls. Actual colonization.
>>141187201
I like the comfy meme because it baits out tremendous faggots like you who do the exact same thing with the word "shit"
>>141187235
>What aspect should be explored by anime?
They could do literally anything that's not A) space elves/space animal girls, B) mechas, or C) humans were the real monsters all along, and it would be good.
>>141164283
Just like those filthy European when they got to America first.
>>141186971
That doesn't quite strike the balance. And it's too lighthearted
What makes the concept great in my mind is that you get tag teams big guy and little girl who have to depend on each other in a war setting.
>>141187235
Besides the effect of a zero G environment on social evolution?
Or how space debris will leave Earth a complete shithole once we can habit anywhere else?
>>141187201
C'est n'est pas une sasami confortable.
>>141179029
It has already been mentioned, read the thread.
Xenogears, and a book.
>>141154516
>>141155143
>>141155175
Xenogears anime is more justice than having a Xenosaga anime.
Bamco won't let it happen
>>141187841
>>141179029
To add in, space sci-fi is not that popular in Japan. They like their own concept of sci-fi element, but space sci-fi is only a minor interest for them. Mostly often their sci-fi revolve around the concept of existential and humanity.
>>141187235
I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was good.
>>141156294
This
>>141187965
Square is most at fault here for underestimating it. The game itself game received an unfair treatment with a butchered disc2. I'm surprise it still made an impact despise the handicap.
>>141179029
Legend of Galactic Heroes?
You can't really expect Japanese space to be anywhere close to Soviet or American stories. Its just culture.
Ofcourse I prefer Americans over russian space because russian feels more like the author's soapbox then a genuine attempt at world building. It feels disgusting how blantant authors are in some of their works. Hated 1984 and brave new world for those reasons.
>>141187998
pretty much that.
Space opera was never a Japanese thing, if anything they grasp better any country at is Mono no Aware.
>>141167174
>tfw Grandma is a filthy rooskie
>tfw she's securely locked in the home for crazy old folk
I should really learn more about that part of the family, just not from that horrible woman.
>>141186836
Welcome to /a/, where 98% of population never read something akin to Ringworld.
>>141161626
An okay film bogged down by weird pacing spikes and a half-assed love goes the distance story.
>>141188450
>Ringworld
That was a pretty fun novel. Too bad that ringworld constructs are now associated primarily with Halo, though.
>>141188463
Should have been directed by Steven Spielberg.
It's probably a bad thing that my favorite space sci-fi came from a game.
>>141188516
Halo shit is nothing akin to Ringworld which was FUCKHUEG and powered by pure Pak SCIENCE.
>>141177252
Honestly, I think that if Cameron tried to emulate the atmosphere of Alien, then it would be criticized for not being able to hold a candle to the atmosphere of the original flick. He probably realized that as well and decided that it'd be better to genre shift rather than continue on with the horror theme.
I mean, what horror sequels are considered superior to the originals? I'm honestly drawing a bit of a blank.
>>141188641
There is literally nothing bad in Homeworld. Ever.
>>141188641
Great game with a great story. Can't complain.
>>141188712
Well, yeah. I'm saying that if you talk in this day and age about ring world constructs, the first thing people are going to think isn't some novel from the 70's. They're going to say "Oh, like Halo, right?"
>>141188739
>I mean, what horror sequels are considered superior to the originals? I'm honestly drawing a bit of a blank.
I've never seen a single one. Literally every horror sequel is a dim shadow of its predecessor unless it takes a genre shift, such as Aliens to Alien, or Dead Space 2 to Dead Space 1.
>>141188785
You forgot great music.
>>141188641
>Kharak is burning
;_;
>>141188881
The subjectdid not survive the interrogation.
>>141185578
>jew
Not really, his parents had jewish roots but he was raised like catholic and due to some reasons unknown to me he called himself atheist.
>>141188641
Well, part of the experience is reading the manual.
>>141189786
I still have mine sitting around somewhere.for a long time I couldn't get it to work on my computer so I just read the manual and dreamed.
>>141188881
We need a Homeworld anime series or manga series dedicated to spaceship battles dedicated to it.
>>141190234
We also need a 40k anime. A man can dream.
>>141157992
Albion Prelude was good you mong.
>>141154509
>actual hard sci-fi that isn't a vessel for otaku pandering
Yeah, let's discount all the sci-fi zines that were floating around in Japan during the 70s and any number of critically acclaimed science fiction entries that have since emerged from Japan's big scifi boom
>>141177676
American farmers will colonized space
They work best on frontiers
>>141154509
>>actually a legitimate media pursuit unlike japs
Only the literature.
>>141154358
>tfw you will never see an anime version of Rendezvous With Rama, or even a live-action version of it
>>141190883
>mfw Crest/Banner of the Stars has been going on just as long as GoT.
Christ.
>Japanese space
There is no such thing. All of space is American.
>>141161626
A decent film made by a hack British director
So is /lit/'s definition of "pulp" any piece of literature that more than several thousand people enjoyed?
>>141155076
For the Nips, a dystopian future is like a beer, wanted and appreciated every so often.
For Murica, it's like crack, we fucking want every goddamn second, and it better be fuckin strong.
>>141191904
>For the Nips, a dystopian future is like a beer, wanted and appreciated every so often.
Dude, the japs are enormous alcoholics. This is a really bad comparison for Japan.
