what would you do in his position?
>>141115768
Besides
Sacrificeing his army
And rapeing his Bestfriends girl friend
Not fucking my life up by fucking the princess of the nation I want to be king of about two months before I'd be actually able to legally propose to her just because my best friend dumped me?
>>141115852
What's the difference between dying in a battlefield or being sacrificed? They would've died anyway in order to fulfill Griffith's dream.
>>141115768
Fuck off Hawk.
>>141115969
The fact that if you die in a sacrifice your soul will be damned and tortured in hell forever I guess
>>141115969
he slaughtered them mercilessly, at least on the field they would have a chance of defending themselves
>>141115999
is that something miura has actually revealed in the manga? or is it just speculation?
>>141115999
Well, no, that's not true.That's actually what happens to apostles.
>>141116018
Uhm, that's a good point but it doesn't make a great difference
>>141116049
Wasn't it said that the souls of the sacrifices are dragged to hell or whatever it is?
>>141115969
It's like the part in Kaiji where the guy says "I'll protect you!" during the stabbing game and she takes that as an excuse to tell the sword man to put it into her boyfriend's neck hole.
>>141115768
You probably have a mental illness,if you think what he did is even remotely justifiable.
>>141115969
Not all soldiers die. Mercenaries fight on battlefields for money, I'm sure they wouldn't have willingly sacrified themselves for Griffith (except Guts and Casca who were indebted to him). No one would have followed him if he just came up and told them to kill themselves so he could achieve Godhood, he had to force that shit and rationalize it by saying that since they work for him he has the right to.
In short he's an ass
>>141115768
I wouldn't throw a hissy fit over Guts leaving my army.
Live with my mistakes
>>141115768
How about not fucking the princess just because Gutts didn't want to be his eternal slave and hurt his feelings.
Griffith is a power hungry control freak sociopath. Anybody who likes him has serious mental issues.
>>141115768
Why was he so mad at Guts?
>>141116625
They weren't just mercenaries, they worshipped Griffith. I'm not trying to say that he had the right to use them as a sacrifice, but their destinies wouldn't have changed that much. Griffith has a goal and people willingly help him reaching his goal (usually sacrificing themselves).
>>141116969
They worshipped him because he was a good leader and brought good fortune with his choices and the people he gathered. When the king captured Griffith, only a few hundreds of soldiers stayed onboard to deliver him and it was mostly because they thought he would make them rich again. When they found out he was a cripple they just wanted to fuck off and some wanted to make a band with Guts iirc.
>>141116969
You can't say they were unquestionable devoted to Griffith, they followed him for their own selfish reasons as well. The band of the Hawk was successful and why would they want to leave when they climbed the social ladder with Griffith?
>>141116856
>for me a friend is someone I can consider my equal
guts was the first person he considered his equal and hence his friend. the guy was pretty devastated when he lest the band
>>141117083
maybe for a few of them, but most of the prominent members seemed completely devoted to him
>>141117078
Well, of course they followed him for that reason. When Griffith was captured, the vast majority of them was forced to leave, just because they were pursued by the royal army. Then, when Griffith was freed, his soldiers, seeing how bad his status was,decided to leave him because there was nothing to do with him, he wasn't in its leader position anymore. They would've followed the Hawk until death, otherwise.
>>141115768
Honestly in his state he was pretty much driven into a corner, I would've sacrificed the band. But I wouldn't have raped Casca.
>>141117083
>>141117109
Exactly this, Griffith saved many's life and gave them a second chance, becoming their idol.
>>141117326
IIRC most of them just went somewhere else because they didn't want to face the king. They were 30 000, there's no way 29 000 of them were killed or pursued to somewhere else. So some of them probably left before they saved Griffith.
After Griffith was freed, they stopped caring about him (as an individual) when they found out he was a cripple. If they worshipped him as much as you said, they would have stayed to make sure the days he had left would be happy.
>>141117455
well not all 30000 were completely devoted. I agree most were probably there to climg the social ladder or earn some money. Im just saying that the more prominent band members were completely devoted to him. Unfortunately it was them who got sacrificed.
>>141117426
So a doctor who after decades of saving people starts to murder his patients ruthlessly is fine too? After all he saved far more people then he killed?
>>141117516
Even the most devoted left him after they saw he couldn't lead them anymore. It would have been Guts, Casca and maybe 4 or 5 other people to take care of Griffith for the rest of his life if Eclipse didn't happen.
>>141117455
They probably lost their hopes, or at least that's what I think, even though your point stands still. The thing is, the ones present during the eclipse were mainly its most trusted comrades, and those of them who were going to leave him needed to do something in order to live (have a "job", you know).
>>141117517
That's not the reason why he had the right to sacrifice them, I'm just saying why they trusted him so much. He only cares about its goal, and its comrades formed the ladder to its dream.
>>141117860
>the reason why he had the right to sacrifice them
He had no right, he is shit.
>>141117860
He had no right to sacrifice them at all. That's not in the contract they made.
Everyone knew they were dying for Griffith's sake during the Eclipse, that didn't make them more comfortable
>>141117894
Please, read carefully the entire sentence. I just said that Griffith saving their lives make him trusted. He didn't have the right, but simply the power to do so.
>>141116665
I like him. There's nothing wrong with appreciating him as a villain. I mean he's not real and I don't have to be around him or be subject to any of his doings. From the perspective of a reader, there's nothing wrong with liking this character. Admiring him is something different though, I agree.
>>141118040
Everyone likes a good villain, although it's harder to like Griffith since he's also a fucking cunt
I know people don't like Griffith, but really, what he went through prior to the Eclipse (which he was wrong for participating in) was horrific.
>>141118142
And it was entirely his own fault.
>>141118171
That doesn't mean it's not still excessively horrific. He wasn't executed, he was fucking mutilated. I mean sure, it happened because of his actions, but it was STILL BAD.
>>141118142
That triggered 30 000 people's deaths before the Eclipse even began though. And he could've stopped it midway by not insulting the king and talking to him
>>141118301
>>141117516
>>141117455
>30,000 people in the Band
What the fuck, when is this even said? I thought it was only a few thousand tops.
>>141115768
idk die lol
>>141118301
Nah.
He couldn't have stopped it.
>>141118301
>30 000
is it a jew doing the counting here or what the fuck happened?
>>141118980
At least he could've improved it with some diplomacy. IIRC the king went to ask him why he did that and he just spat on his face. Less/no torture, no slaughter of the Hawk, I'm sure this could have been done.
>>141119024
Reread the mango, it's said somewhere
So is he gonna sacrifice Falconia? Is he, is he?
>>141115969
>betraying your comrades' trust doesn't mean anything
Well tipped.
>>141115768
He should have rape Guts instead.
>tfw miura ends the manga with guts dying and going to hell while griffith continues to rule earth
>>141119075
>Reread the mango, it's said somewhere
Nope, it didn't. It's just your delusion.
>>141122276
Guts will win. I believe in Miura.
>>141122276
>miura ends the manga
Bwahahaha!
>>141122406
Miura is like 49 years old now
Nips have long life expectancy
so hes got like twenty years to wrap it up before he starts getting senile
>tfw I will be 44 if he takes that long to finish it
>>141115768
fuck caska again.
He's really that young? If Berserk started 2 decades ago, he wrote one of the greatest arcs of all time in his 20's?
>>141122934
>Eddie Murphy wrote Delirious when he was 22.
what am i doing with my life
>>141123084
I hated that book.
>>141123118
Me too.
>>141122350
Oh shit, I mixed the numbers of the Doldrey Fort (30 000) and the Band of the Hawk at that point (5000).
But the Band of the Hawk had time to grow after the Doldrey win so they're probably way more than 5000 when Griffith fucks the princess, I don't remember if there's another number
>>141117416
>wouldn't have raped one girl
>but I'd still let the rest of my hundreds of men be eaten alive by demons
What is the logic here?
>>141123930
I assume that Griffith needs to let monsters kill his men to achieve Godhood, but raping Casca was totally unecessary
>>141124018
Ah, s'pose that makes more sense.
>griffith apologism
>>141124018
Rape is so gratuitous in Berserk that it's almost lost all meaning.
>>141125251
Everyone tries to rape Casca but Griffith doing it right after the Eclipse is very important. It shows that despite not being cornered and miserable anymore, he's still a fucking cunt who'd gladly make Guts and Casca more miserable than they already are. Even Griffith apologists can't deny this wrong. I hope Griffith will die and get raped by that noble who fucked him for money
>>141115969
You have a chance to survive in a battlefield and your leader is supposed to well lead you to victory so you can fight another day.
And thats like saying what's wrong with your fellow soldier murdering you just because there's a chance someone else will kill you.
Uh guys, why not just use the magic and shit in the berserk world to fix his injuries? Or become a psuedo apostle like mozgus(which doesn't require a sacrifice).
As the manga goes on you realize there were many other ways for griffith to lead his men again other than sacrificing his friends.
>>141122276
No the manga will end with guts going mad and becoming like the beast of darkness.
Its been foreshadowed for so long that the beast of darkness will one day erupt from guts mind and even in his most peaceful moments, we are made aware of guts' darker urges.
>>141121468
Probably. Do you really believe the servants of a being of pure evil is going to just build a nice sanctuary for humans to live in peacefully? And if thats what the god hand wanted then there's no reason to fuse the worlds and have fantasy beasts running around forcing people into falconia.
Its funny. He sacrificed his comrades to assure his dream but now he'll have to sacrifice that for some bullshit demon agenda.
>>141122638
>nips have long life expectancy
Not all.
>>141122934
Which arc are you referring to?
>>141118439
It wasn't 30,000, it was 5,000 minus whatever they lost when they captured Doldrey.
>>141115768
I wouldn't have jumped the gun and fucked the princess because my husbando decided to take my own words to heart.
>>141115863
was that the reason?
it seemed so strange for griffith to commit a tactical error of that kind
>>141127598
His only friend left him.
>>141126586
The world wasn't broken enough yet for things
Iike fairies to appear. Then Griffith broke it a little with the eclipse, then he broke it a LOT. Puck came in after the cracks started to form.
>>141127739
Puck was there before that
>>141116049
Count and the guy who he tortured were sent to hell.
Also, If I remember correctly skull knight implies that branded are sent to hell.
>>141126586
mozgus wasn't an apostle
he got infected by the egg apostle without actually wanting it
also nor griffith nor anybody in the band of the hawk knew/believed to magic
>>141127825
Yeah but nearly nobody could see him. Even Guts could only see the flower fairy by being so close to death.
>>141127878
>without actually wanting it
He loved it.
>>141127914
But he didn't ask for it.
>>141127942
His body secretly wanted it.
>>141127890
People could see him before that though, and some people can't see him after the eclipse still
>>141127890
He was traveling with people in a caravan. People can't typically see puck because of belief or some shit.
>>141127890
>the flower fairy
I swear that 3 chapter flashback is the best thing in berserk, absolutely beautiful
>>141128041
>>141128080
The band of the hawk was pretty mired in the real world. I doubt any of them could have seen puck normally aside from maybe Guts.
>>141125251
In the manga at least rape is depicted pretty brutally. Even Casca's rape, despite shitposters saying she enjoyed it. Which is one of the reasons I disliked the movies(aside from the shitty CGI). During the rape in the movie, she seemed to actually enjoy it.
>>141126586
its all fate anyway, or "causality"
his fate was sealed before he was born, it was to acquire the crimson behelit and use it to ascend to godhood
>>141128175
most women orgasm during rape senpai
>>141122276
Griffith will die, I'm sure of it.
>>141128234
>most
Most rapists don't last all that long.
>>141128175
It's like that in the manga too though, it's only violent before that when the monsters try raping her
>>141128339
Femto's dick has spikes on it.
Why does the berserk dub has the best outtakes?
>>141128374
Like a cat?
>>141128415
Berserk dub has the best voice actor for guts. I prefer it over the japanese unless they get akio otsuka to play him. Marc fucking nails the character.
>>141128191
>its all fate anyway, or "causality"
>his fate was sealed before he was born, it was to acquire the crimson behelit and use it to ascend to godhood
Why do people keep forgetting this?
I would've raped Guts too desu
>>141115768
>did nothing wrong
>nothing wrong
>>141128175
Women can't help that shit man. It feels too great for them.
>>141131128
I wouldn't blame Casca if she did enjoy it, it's not like it's going to be touched upon in the long run.
Rereading the manga, I forgot how good it felt to have Guts just completely shit on Griffith in the second duel
>>141115768
I wouldn't have fucked the princess like a retard for one, and that would have enabled me to marry her later and accomplish my dream.
Griffith was right fucking there.
>>141116305
>>141127846
I'm re-reading Berserk atm
it's in the MC Escher room when the count summons the godhand
they say that anyone who gets INVOLVED with demons is instantly destined for the vortex of souls (AKA hell), regardless of whether they chose to be involved or not, which is why Vargas was in there
that means all of the band of the hawk are stuck in hell forever as well
Guts and Caska eventually will go there too
>>141115768
sacrificing the army was one thing, I can KIND OF understand the leaps in logic he took to get to that point
but raping Caska in front of Guts was fucking petty, and served no benefit outside of him being a complete cunt
what pisses me off is that we haven't heard Nu-Griffith comment on this, even when he and Guts meet on the hill of swords, they never specifically talk about the rape, which is probably the main reason for Guts hatred
I want to hear Griffith's fucking justification for that, because it played no part at all in "muh dream"
>>141115768
>what would you do in his position?
take over the world and rule over it for all eternity but always aiming to expand my power and maybe one day rule over more than just the world
>>141128726
His final "GRIFFITHHH!!!!!!!" scream is fucking awesome
whenever I read the manga, it's in his voice
I was really disappointed by japanese VA Guts in basically every iteration (new movies and PS2 game)
What did he mean by this?
So if everyone's walking to the left, does it mean the people are deceived by delusions (I assume the hawk dream was Ubik's doing?) to follow into the "heaven", so in this case Falconia?
>>141132820
>I just found out about this ancient gaijin Hieronymus Bosch while googling, this is fun
>>141132881
Never reply to me ever again unless you're contributing to the fucking thread
>We will never get old Farnese back
>>141132970
>>141115768
The real question is is he a hawk or a falcon
>>141133066
You're the one who baited with that "you're not supposed to discuss manga panels because I said so". Also only post animu & mango related pics here you crossboarding faggot
>>141133106
Falcon. It's not Hawkonia, you know.
>>141133015
My dick. Farnese gives me so many strong boners.
>>141133251
>band of the falcon
I will never accept this.
>>141129773
He could have chosen to not ascend. Else they wouldn't have had to try to convince him.
>>141128191
>>141129773
It just means that Griffith was meant to be a huge cunt since the beginning, doesn't make him any less of a cunt
>>141133251
If you told me 15 years ago that this page was from Berserk, I wouldn't have believed you for a moment. This series really has changed so much and lost most of its charm.
>>141115768
You mean after betraying and sacrificing everyone who ever trusted him? Or do you mean after creating a false utopia where as long as people obey they won't have to fear the horrors of hunger and war?
Or maybe you are referring to his relationship with Guts and his desire for punishment?
Be more specific.
>>141128191
How much of events were manipulated by the behelit to cause Griffith to become Femto?
>Charlotte falling down and Griffith catching her, setting his attempt to woo her
>Surviving the hunting assassination attempt, which ultimately lead to Guts hearing Griffiths remarks on friends
>Griffith going full yandere when Guts tries to leaves and then fucking Charlotte as consolation
>Telling the king he wanted to fuck his own daughter, pissing him off enough for him to have a long drawn out torture rather than be executed
>>141122276
im expecting a devilman ending
>>141128726
>>141132745
Mark is Guts the same way Kevin Conroy is Batman to me
>>141130411
godammit that filename
>>141116049
>>141143695
>>141143729
>that scene with the troll intestine Godhand Whore
I fapped hard
Pretty sure Griffith fucked Casca to spite Guts because Guts nearly killed his dream
Also I have a theory that Casca's baby had to be possessed by Griffith's seed forhim to be reborn
>>141138902
>How much of events were manipulated by the behelit
All of them. They call it a choice, but the fact of the matter is that if they want you make the offering, you're going to make the offering.
>>141143946
>implying man is necessarily bound by fate
The theme of the manga is a fight against fate. A choice is still a choice.
Also fuck this "Falcon" nonsense. Band of the Hawk. THE HAWK.
No matter how you look at it, Guts leaving Casca behind to go kill Apostles was a dumb move, there was no guarantee he'd be able to find Griffith let alone do anything against him. The fact that the count was offered a second chance to become even more of an apostle doesn't make it any less than a sheer coincidence.
>>141143815
Slan gives me strong boners as well. Jesus Fuck.
>>141132820
this. This definitely looks like the new band of the hawk. half-human, half-demon, all traveling together in what looks to be in a jovial mood.
>>141144063
He was mad and wanted revenge. Until Skullknight told him he can't have it both ways (Revenge or saving Casca) he really was just blindly swinging his sword like he had always done.
>>141143729
>Succubus's corset is tittyfucking her
>>141144063
No, it was actually the smartest move. Let Rickert take care of the girl in the only place in the world where she's safe, have Guts go and try to avenge his comrades. He might not find Griffith easily but at least he kills Apostles and saves people. Killing Apostles gets him closer to Zodd and Griffith.
Guts did nothing wrong. Sometimes he gambles too much with his life, but how else could he fight those monsters?
>>141128175
>>141127598
He basically lost the only person he could trust
>>141115768
people just like Griffith for his singing anyway
>>141132970
Hhahahahahahahaha
>>141144928
>I'm just a girl who can't say no
>>141115768
Rape Guts
>>141143911
>Guts nearly killed his dream
Explain this
>>141150531
Guts left the Band of the Hawk, in the process breaking Griffith's sword (and his will). Griffith got depressed and fucked Charlotte (who was the quickest way to the throne after the King would die). He got caught and thrown in prison.
Griffith's dream was to own a kingdom. Being in a tower prison as shadow of your former self is as far as it gets from being a king.
Then Guts and co. saves his ass, but he overhears Casca and Guts' conversation about how he is finished. It hurts him so bad that he rides the cart away while reflecting on his past glory. Cart hits a bump and Griffith goes flying, where he breaks his arm and in the lake he realizes he is worthless. He tries to kill himself. He lost all his resolve. And like Zodd prophesized, the Behelit was with him at that crucial moment.
>>141152491
>Griffith blames Guts for his own actions because losing bruised his fragile ego
Is Griffith a feminist?
the soldiers died for Griffith so I wouldn't really call him sacrificing them. Raping Casca was totally excessive on his part so that was inexcusable. if Griffith did not rape casca then I would have been more understanding of his actions. his state of helplessness towards the end was wrenching enoughto have sympathy towards the man
>>141115768
>what would you do in his position?
Join Gennon's boy harem.
>hang out in the Jacuzzi all day with your bros
>lift to stay in shape
>free food and drink
>protected from being drafted into a meaningless war
Sucking a fat old man's cock every once in a while is a small price to pay for this paradise on earth. Griffith really fucked up.
>>141124018
>totally unecessary
It was to spite Guts. That's really all there is to it. I felt less than nothing for Caska at that point and was just using her to get back at him.
>>141153603
>I
He. Why the fuck did I type I?
>>141115768
I'd have a Jonah complex.
>>141152491
The complexity of the Golden Age arc never ceases to amaze me.
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>>141153002
Are you a cute feminine boy?
>>141116049
The branded belong to hell, body and soul. Guts and Caska are doomed to the abyss sooner or later barring some magic bullshit that saves them.
I want to protect that smile
>>141153603
>I
Femto, get outta here.
>>141153002
Speaking of which; why'd they slaughter the femboys when they took Doldrey anyway?
>>141156244
Didn't happen, now stop being a dumb poster, or you'll really become a dump person in real life if you continue pretending to be dumb the majority of your life, which you're currently spending on 4chan.
>>141156346
Mad they killed off all your boipucci?
Grow the fuck up
>>141158086
Shut the fuck up Guts
>>141127284
I knew that, but I was wondering why those other 3 anons kept saying 30,000.
>>141115768
Do I become Griffith himself, or do a swap places with him?
If I become Griffith I don't change anything because I'm Griffith and Griffith would make the same choices.
If I swap with him I get rekt in battle and the Band of the Hawk gets lead by someone else lol
>>141115768
Get a bigger sword, generally stop trying to look like a fancy lady.
>>141153603
>he did it to spite Guts.
>not because of the payoff at the in the tower of conviction.
I'm pretty sure despite any minuscule remains of personal feelings he may still have in the face of godhood, he would have done it anyway.
>>141159176
if you knew that, you wouldnt have said >a few thousand
fucking dumbass :) does that equate to 5k? no it doesnt idiot.
>>141117517
boy analogies are almost always cringeworthy, dont argue with them if you cant work with the actual discussion you retard
>>141125409
people think it will be his undoing, because of the role that child will play in the manga
>>141161274
>cringeworthy
not him but get the fuck back to tumblr, cunt
>>141125251
Do you think the rape horse will finally get an animated appearance in the new series? I hope he's voiced byGilbert Gottfried.
>ended the great war
>created perfect utopian society
>sacrifices everyone in falconia to revive the other members of godhand
I figured this was the case when pipit wouldn't leave charolet in falconia and took her with him on a dangerous adventure
>>141118076
Ever hear the phrase "love to hate"? To me that's what makes a good villain and I definitely love to hate Griffith, the little bitch
