I can't take it anymore /a/. I just can't take this character archetype anymore. I'm like 3 hours into the Fate VN and Shirou singlehandedly ruined an otherwise pretty interesting settings.
What happens to interesting MC like Guts, Vash, Spike, Alucard, or even early 2000s MC like Gin from Gintama. Scrouging the bottom of the barrel, say what you want at least Naruto and Luffy had personality.
These bland, purposely made blank slate MC and their indecisiveness are just straight up annoying. Even Eren from SnK suffers from this syndrome.
>>144135997
>VN
no shit
>>144136148
Flagship anime like SnK should not have any business having a bland blank state character like Eren. He's literally the least interesting of the group and only special because muh Titan transformation. Even mid tier budget anime like SAO, Danmachi, Dagashi have shit blank state protagonist. It seems like most anime nowadays are just blank state protagonist that you then throw a waifu with differing fetish.
There was a time when the PROTAGONIST, e.g. MAIN character are the one who supposed to carry the series. Lately they're just blank state and the waifu baiting are the one that carry the series. I recognize most of these blank state protagonists have one thing in common, they usually originates from light novel or visual novel. Since the anime industry is pretty much bankrupt idea-wise, these trash waifubaits LN and VN are the one that got adapted into anime
>>144136577
I blame A1 for this trend
>>144135997
Shirou isn't a self insert, he's pretty much the exact opposite and certifiably insane. You realise this around halfway through the novel (well most people do it's actually very easy to spot it much earlier)
>>144137846
Unfortunately the novel is not the anime
>>144135997
drop that shit mang. Just watch fate zero.
Berru-kun was best girl.
>>144135997
Vash kinda has the same attitude as the guy on the left
Alucard is an unstoppable Gary-stu which is pretty common in LNs (that and Drifters is coming out and Murcielago is still running both having characters who are basically Alucard).
We have no shortage of grimdark "kill them all/the world sucks" anime like Akame ga Kill and SnK
only series we're missing are ones like Cowboy Bebop, but then again 91 days is out so who knows
>>144136577
>>144135997
Shirou isn't a sef insert (in the VN at least).
>nowdays
Also self inserts have existed in anime as long as the concept of a generic harem has in manga and VN adaptions. Don't spout bullshit. There's nothing wrong with a self insert in a VN. In a manga it's fine if it's pulled off well. Anime are adverts and have been forever, watch more anime.
But Bell was cute as fuck and best girl
>>144138445
>Vash kinda has the same attitude as the guy on the left
Vash is funny, his thing is full of self deprecation and humility. Bell is just bleeh... I even struggled to remember his name for a couple of seconds typing this.
>>144138538
>Also self inserts have existed in anime as long as the concept of a generic harem has in manga and VN adaptions. Don't spout bullshit.
Flagship high budget anime in the 90s don't have self insert faggots, they all carried by their protagonist. Said protagonist like Alucard might be a Mary Sue, but they have characters and personality rather than bland, indecisive, and somewhat nice guy archetype of your average MC nowadays.
>>144139249
>Flagship high budget anime
which was totally what all anime of the past was composed of
I mean who needs red-haired faggots like Shirou when we have badass MCs like Amuro
>watching garbage mary-sue shonens and expecting character
Shitty shows have always existed senpai
>>144139249
Vash is a naive and whiny with OP powers that he was born like most LN MCs difference is that the world actually test him and his design
put him into a RPG fantasy world with catgirls, make him shorter, and paint his hair and coat black and you got yourself average highschool boy #292012121
>>144138201
Kill yourself filthy secondary
>>144135997
Shirou is far from that though, you just have to give him some time
>>144139573
>Shitty shows have always existed senpai
So what is a good show nowadays with non generic MC, besides the upcoming Drifters anime
>>144139589
If you think a self deprecating goofball like Vash is the same as Kirito then you lost your mind anon
Any character devoid of personality is shit. Doesn't matter if they are the MC or not.
>>144136577
>Flagship anime like SnK
>Flagship anime
...wha?
The flagship of what, exactly?
>>144139754
>muh 90s anime
Fucking kill yourself you casual
>>144135997
>Alucard
>Gin
>interesting characters
Pick one and only one.
>>144139754
"MC that acts like a goofball but is actually smart/powerful/skilled" is a pretty generic trait especially in the LN department
>>144135997
>Shirou
What kind of fucking psychopath would ever want to self insert into him. his life sucks.
>>144139886
The anime with top tier budget
>>144139962
Gin is funny, at least I really do dig Gintama 4th wall breaking and boke-tsukommi humor. He also has his whole rich past about the war he lost and history with Katsura, his sensei and co.
>>144139249
We've had multiple gary stu archetype bullshit anime recently.
Many 'flag ship' anime now and in the past few years also aren't generic inserts.
>>144138201
Go hang yourself Zerobaby
>>144140094
Budget =/= 'flag ship'. Nobody knows the budget of anime and SnK likely wasn't that high since the manga was already quite popular.
Lurk more and watch more anime, it's clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>144140082
Just because a character's life sucks does not automatically mean that character isn't a self-insert.
>>144135997
>Naruto and Luffy had personality.
>This Thread
JUST
>>144140094
Gonna have to agree with this guy. >>144140158
Anon, you really sound like some sort of shounen kid upset that the actual anime Japan makes isn't the same as all the shit you watched on Toonami.
>>144140188
What makes a character a self insert?
>>144140219
He never said they were good personalities.
>>144135997
>3 hours into the Fate VN
>1 hour or so after the prologue where Rin is the narrator/MC
>>144140219
They may not be good personalities but they do have them.
Why do you think isekai is so popular you fucking retard?
The Japanese hate their lives so much they want to escape into the life of someone so powerful/Lucky they have no problems.
Who the fuck wants to be Guts? Your wife gets raped by your best friend who damns you to be chased by demons for the rest of your life. You were also BLACKED as a kid.
That's not want the modern japan wants to escape into. Why do you think the fucking Rebuild of Evangelion is so shit? Because Anno made an 2 films that feed into escapism fantasy and then tried to get all artsy and fucked it all up because he literally wasted what should have been two movies of development on pandering escapism and then tried to cram all the SEE YOU'RE BAD FOR WANTING ESCAPISM into one shitty movie and fucked it all up.
It's why Twilight was popular.
>>144140250
"Regular high schooler....until--"
>>144140094
So you are complaining that the shounen action fantasy anime is not a comedy parody anime?
I don't have enough whew lad for you.
>>144140254
Luffy had a personality
just not an original one
Naruto had a personality
just a shit one
>>144140094
>The anime with top tier budget
Most anime like that have a generic, personality-less protag because its safer. Boku Dake, Sword Art Online, Gurren Lagann are good examples.
Unless you are some scheduling genius like Kyoani you aren't going to get much high budget anime with an ambitiously different MC
>using BLACKED unironically
Disgusting
>>144140306
Shirou was never a normal person.
>>144137824
Digi, is that you?
Damn /a/ you really gonna take this retard seriously
>>144140359I don't know or give a shit about Shirou. I was just offering an answer to that question.
>>144135997
name 5 MCs this current season that are like those two
i hate sao as much as everyone else,actualy more because it killed accel world, that i realy love
but the MC dungeon show is NOTHING like him
he starts like a total pansy, that cannot kill a single rat. but with pure will and training he manages to get stronger
90% of the fucking anime is the poor bastard training and getting raped by monsters
>>144140306
>Regular high schooler
>mentally scarred deranged Japanese ginger motherfucker with an ancient scabbard in his butt that his foster father (who indirectly murdered his friends and family) shoved deep inside him when he was like, 8 and almost dead
>>144140306
>Tenchi was a normal high-schooler until
>>144140248
>Anon, you really sound like some sort of shounen kid upset that the actual anime Japan makes isn't the same as all the shit you watched on Toonami.
I liked a lot of different types of anime. Unfortunately nowadays I find myself not able to like original shounen/action anime anymore because of the prevalence of said character archetypes, the exception being probably the upcoming Drifters anime.
Just for exercise, name Kirito type archetype for shounen in the 90's well into at least 2002 and compare it to now. The Kirito-clones are everywhere nowadays, just like the Rei-clones and Tsundere-clones
>>144140532
how does he poop if scabbard?
>>144135997
>Even considering Self-inserting as Shirou
Your life must be really shitty
>>144140188
Umm Shirou's not being a self insert isn't because his life sucks. Shirou's not a self insert because he behaves more like a robot than a man, completely lacks a sense of self and ego, leading to a martyr complex and is completely selfless person hich leads to him being taken advantage of all the time. He also has an ideal he clings to which will lead him to eternal damnation, or a crazy childhood friend, that he loses his body to save.
Totally the sort of person you want to or even can self insert as
>>144135997
>Gintama (manga 2003, anime 2006) is early 2000s
>Fate (VN 2004, anime 2006) is not
Jesus Christ, I want nostalgiafag retards to fuck off already.
>>144135997
though I disagree that WN adaptions are actually popular
the reason why some people obsess over them is because we're starved for fantasy series. Even in the 80s and 90s there was barely any mostly being dominated by the sci-fi and mech genres.
they take a random web novel from the same damn site without paying much and make it an anime, so fantasy fans can have their fix. Like how Indie game developers usually make platformers because platform games are the only thing that can get "retro gamers" off anymore.
>>144140635
Alright. That's a good answer. I've never actually read/watched any Fate.
>>144136577
>SnK
>flagship anime
Kill yourself.
>>144140304
>Who the fuck wants to be Guts?
Why the fuck MUST you be Guts in order to enjoy Berserk? What happened to simply enjoying a story and relating to a character without closing the book/switching off the TV and imagining yourself in the universe fucking all the cute girls? Don't give me any of that
>Japanese hate their lives and don't want anything else but to fantasise about fucking animu girls
Bullshit, that's you projecting. No medium is as tarnished by this shit as anime.
>>144140557
>there's lots more shit anime than there was back in the 90s
This is a false premise because nobody tells you to watch the terrible fucking shit they put out in the 90s.They only tell you about the good stuff.
>>144140304
>Berserk is not popular at all that's why the Golden age arc is being remade to the uptenth time!
>>144135997
we need more sociopathic genius or careless delinquents as MC
>>144140333
as opposed to nothing at all
>>144135997
Are you implying that Naruto has more personality than Kirito?
>>144140875
well he used to
>>144140834
That would be nice. The era of the deliquent is over for the most part. Sociopathic geniuses are hard to write but when they pull it off it's amazing.
>>144140759
The 90s had their terrible share of one note "ace pilot" character, especially from the mech genre. Not saying that they're good, but a hot blooded ace mech pilot is more bearable than your Kirito-clones
>>144140635
>>144140532
And other people arguing about Shirou. I digress then, as I admit I'm early into the VN, so I don't know the details and backstory quite yet. However so far he's acting like fucking Kirito
>>144140875
Annoying voice = personality
apparently
>>144140858
I'm not sure what this even means. I guarantee you if you went to a SAO/SnK/whatever wiki, their autists would have put together several paragraphs describing what kind of person their MC is.
>>144140923
Keep reading, Shirou is definitely not Kirito.He's basically completely insane
>>144140741
Why are Isekai the most popular type of story in Japan then? Japanese don't CARE for quality products. Japanese care about things that make them feel good.
>>144140808
Why is it a shit CGI adaptation then?
>>144135997
you missed the most self insert of them all
>>144140834
genius MCs are still a thing
though I do want them more ruthless
>>144140875
I will argue he does.And he grew on me over the years
>>144135997
Nice buzzwords retard. Shirou is by no means a self insert.
>>144140998
I was expecting this bait a lot earlier
>>144141014
The only way to make a genius MC is to sacrifice the faces of all the characters to the elder anime gods.
>>144141014
Seems like the last one who was relevant was Akagi or Light
>>144136577
>>144140094
>It seems like most anime nowadays
>Lately they're
>SnK has top budget
All three statements legitimately make me angry, because they're so wrong and you have to hear them so often from people that are new to anime.
>>144141042
It's not even good bait.
>>144141042
just got home from my other job, i guess one of the other 2 professional shitposters i'm coordinating with got sick or slept in
>>144140219
Compared with the SAO/Danmachi faggots, yeah they do.
>>144140741
>What happened to simply enjoying a story and relating to a character without closing the book/switching off the TV and imagining yourself in the universe fucking all the cute girls?
That was never a thing for me. Self-insert fantasies came well before anime for me. Maybe you just aren't autistic enough.
>>144140997
doesn't matter
>>144139249
>Berserk
>Trigun
>Hellsing
it still high budget according to your criteria of "high budget" (which Hellsing are you talking about? the half-finished tv series or the OVA that also had shitty CGI).
>>144140997
>Why are Isekai the most popular type of story in Japan then
Isekai isn't popular just in Japan, anon. If you look at popular fiction in the US, for example, a large number of books have a similar premise (seemingly average person gets dragged into a fantasy world). It may not be called Isekai in the states, but it's still Isekai nonetheless.
>>144140017
And its still more character than Kirito ever had.
>>144140997
Quality and feel good overlap. One of the purposes of entertainment is to make you feel good.
>>144141098
You forget Oniiiii-sama.
Male Shiki is much bigger self insert than Shirou
I didn't quite get the Tsukihime meme
Let's think of it the other way, how about purely from looks?
Luffy, Goku, Guts, Kenshiro, Vash, Alucard, Spike all have very iconic looks and physical traits, or clothing that befits their settings.
The Kiritoclones nowadays all looks practically like Kyon. Maybe put in a white hair or heterochromia, but that's it.
>>144139249
>Flagship high budget anime in the 90s don't have self insert faggots, they all carried by their protagonist
You realize that the highest-budget TV anime of the 90s was Escaflowne, right? As in, that shoujo-inspired mecha that whose generic indecisive girl MC (surrounded by bishies, of course) nearly ruined an otherwise fantastic show?
>>144135997
>Even Eren from SnK suffers from this syndrome.
eren had at least his edgy murderous side, he shanked two grown men as a kid and didn't give a fuck, that's not something you see everyday
>>144141127
Bathroom break
>>144141127
You coordinate this shit? That's really pathetic.
>>144141254
>Kiritoclones
Why do you keep using this phrase when you've referenced various people who predate Kirito?
>>144141246
Shut up, meme
>>144141127
Wait, you aren't getting paid to shitpost?
>>144141246
His personality got more fleshed out in the later works.
Still MUCH better than Kokutou, that fucker was boring as hell.
>>144141246
yeah but Shiki is more admirable
I can by people actually wanting to be Shiki unlike the MCs /a/ defines as "self-insert"
>Alucard the immortal unstoppable fuck mothering Vampire, not self-insert at all
>Kirito the person who is good at playing games? SELF INSERT AS FUCK
>>144141241
shit character, he doesn't count
>>144141322
Say that when the internet apocalypse happens and you don't have enough (you)s to barter.
I don't get all the hate for self insert characters, if the MC is not the main attraction then just enjoy the stuff around it. I'd rather get a character like the guy from Clannad than a shitty character that was written expressively to not be self inserted into. Also, I don't know what people constitute as self inserts because they don't seem that common to me, unless you mean anyone that isn't a special snowfalke.
>>144141254
I hate to break it to you, but Kyon and Kirito don't really look alike.
>>144141349
That besides the point. Kirito is just the most egregious example that everyone know just like Rei-clones and Tsundere-clones. Everyone knows exactly the character archetype I'm talking about
Who is the original Kirito archetypes then? I'm sorry I dont watch every single anime out there, but if you give me the character then I'll start calling it X-clones.
>>144141322
i don't know about the other two, but i myself receive ~$600,000 USD annually for my services. i send links to my day's work with my posts tagged to who i suspect is a very wealthy international jew banker
>>144141436
>if the MC is not the main attraction then just enjoy the stuff around it
Fucking thank you, I was starting to believe that this concept was beyond anons' comprehension.
>>144141415
This bait is an eyesore.
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>watch shitty shows for teenage outcasts
>complain that they have shit MCs
>>144141473
What, the first dull highschooler MC? Probably someone from the 80s, fuck if I know who came first. This shit is not as new as you seem to think.
>>144141254
Hell Kenshiro has no personality outside of being a murder hobo and just kills everyone he doesn't like without hesitation.
but /a/ still loves him simply because he's ripped (unlike MCs like OP's pic who look like fuccbois).
>>144141597
I actually shit on Kenshiro for this all the time, and then laugh when the manimefags and delinquentfags get angry.
>>144141597
>/a/ still loves him simply because he's ripped
/a/ is not one person, anon.
>>144141436
This. There is literally nothing wrong with a self insert character if it is done well. Surely a first person VN that lets you self insert can be pretty powerful.
>>144141254
I can name plenty of 2006 and later very popular action shows that have a different looking MCs. They also have personality traits and aren't one note characters. Goku and Alucard are super boring.
>>144141565
>This shit is not as new as you seem to think.
It's not new but you have to admit it is way more prevalent nowadays.
My premise still stands. Back in the days shows are carried by the MC. Nowadays shows are carried by the waifu selection, and the MC tends to be bland. I'm not saying the latter is always worse, there are some good ones, but I just want the earlier archetype of colorful MC to be more prevalent again, and not have to watch shows after shows with bland MC
>>144135997
Check around more, a few exist. Granted they either don't get adaptations or the marketing department is shit at their jobs.
>>144141716
>>144141716
>My premise still stands. Back in the days shows are carried by the MC. Nowadays shows are carried by the waifu selection, and the MC tends to be bland. I'm not saying the latter is always worse, there are some good ones, but I just want the earlier archetype of colorful MC to be more prevalent again, and not have to watch shows after shows with bland MC
No, this is some really retarded logic that proves nothing except the kind of shows you watch.
>>144141473
>>144141683
>I can name plenty of 2006 and later very popular action shows that have a different looking MCs.
Most of them are females though.
>>144141504
This concept doesn't even have to apply to shows with plot or anything serious like that. I mean if someone watches a harem with a faggot MC and a bunch of sexy/cute girls and the only thing he takes from it was that he didn't like the MC I just assume the guy is a faggot.
What people call self inserts in harems might as well just be a "if we didn't put this guy in this, it would have to be a yuri show". It's not like I'm saying harems are actually really good but that people put too much emphasis on the MC when he's obviously not why anyone is watching it and not who the writers/animators want to show off.
>>144141716
Stop watching shit shows, retard
>>144140997
First of all, otaku culture = Japan. Drop the shitty generalisations.
The reason there's so much isekai is because there's so much anime in general. There's just as much anime about bland, boring, characterless faggots being awkward around mountains of skirt set in the real world as well. The isekai setting is about as "overused" as it is in the west or anywhere else.
You're full of shit.
>>144141597
I'm reading Chinese series and everyone keeps complaining about how all the MCs are violent murderous sociopaths. And granted they are violent murderous sociopaths (especially the Isekai ones who supposedly came from Earth but just start killing enemies immediately after they arrive), but then I keep going to threads where people praise Kenshiro as "teh best MC evar!" despite having the same attitude towards human life (that is none for their enemies).
Though points for Kenshiro for not having entire chapters where he sprouts witty-comebacks at the enemy (MC is like Kenshiro but the series pads like DBZ).
>>144141886
>otaku culture = Japan
I think you missed a ! in there.
>>144141673
>>144141628
to be fair they do look like fuccbois (though the HnK designs would get boring fast if done too much).
>>144141818
I think it's about equal. There were plenty of female action protaganists pre 2006 too though so it's no different.
>>144141716
I'm now 100% sure you hardly watch anything but the same type of anime on purpose. It's like if someone just watched SAO, Log Horizon and .hack and complained all anime now days had the same concept, which is exactly what you're doing. You're staying in a bubble of similiar characters.
>>144135997
Kirito is self insert? For who?
>>144141980
I kind of did, yeah.
>>144136577
Might be the art style, but least Eren doesn't look like Shinji, Kirito, Kirino's brother and their clones, which is probably why I tolerate him more.
>>144141473
Really not too many MCs are like Kirito not even the WN adaptions
only ones I can think of is the MC of Afireta and Re:monster and even then neither of those are animated.
not even Bell since Bell is a plucky adventerer while Kirito is a no-nonsense gary-stu. Only similarity is their designs
>>144135997
Are you butthurt because you're just like them?
>>144135997
>at least Naruto and Luffy had personality.
And unique designs. All these Kiritoclones design and personality wise are sickening.
I dunno, MCs seem to be getting better recently.
>>144142151
Shinji and Kirito have nothing in common. They're quite literally opposite archetypes.
>>144142045
>I'm now 100% sure you hardly watch anything but the same type of anime on purpose.
>on purpose
Why the fuck would I do that on purpose. The most important things about shounen I think is the settings/premise. Of some interesting settings and premise that caught my eye, sadly the majority have Kiritoclone as MC.
Major shounen MC who are recognizable by their silhouette is far inbetween nowadays. Maybe Saitama from OPM, but that's about it.
>It's like if someone just watched SAO, Log Horizon and .hack
I did not survive past episode 5 on any of these
>>144142246
remember when anime had ridiculous hair-styles and fashion sense?
>>144142307
You don't even know what shounen means, you fucking retard. The only shounen MCs mentioned in this entire thread are Luffy, Naruto, and Gin. Kill yourself.
LIVE YOUR LIFE CORRECTLY OR GET PUNCHED!
>>144142268
what you posted
>smart likable no-nonsense MC that has to deal with a parody of the usually Isekai nonsense
what OP will see
>generic LN protag #209903298 and his typical harem loli
>>144142151
>Shinji, Kirito
>scared as shit 14-year old with abandonment and trust issues forced to climb into a hulking giant and fight powerful, giant monsters while feeling every little thing that happens to said hulking giant and none of the girls show any romantic interest in him or at the very most treat him as a friend until someone fucks up and they all lose their shit at him/at each other/at themselves
>faggot who spends all his time inside playing video games and yet somehow is a hit with all the ladies because of how good he is at video games and nothing else and his only real problem is how he only has eyes for his waifu but still seems to attract all the moist vaginas in a 50 km radius
>>144135997
>Wanting to self insert into this
https://youtu.be/Kb4FOlpfLNk?t=1h13m19s
You need to go see a psychiatrist.
>>144142151
Eren just has a resting face that looks slightly more active and emotional than those characters. The rest of his design is nearly identical.
>>144141818
Literally this season
91Days (different)
Active Raid (different)
Arslan (pussy)
Guts (Bleh but not 2010s bleh)
D.gray (???)
Hitori no shita (Chinese)
Masou gakuen HxH (Male in future bondage gear)
Nanatsu no Taizai (different)
Puzzle & dragons (the true shounen archetype)
Qualidea code (Meh)
Scared rider sex (never watched)
Servemap (boring)
Taboo tatoo (forehead)
Tales of zesteria xxx (I don't even know who the protagonist is)
Oh man these are such samey boring self insert shit characters amirite ugize?
>>144142063
For whom?
>>144141436
Though having a self insert character and then having the entire show bend around his dick is what generally makes these stories so intolerable.
Ginko is extremely neutral as a character and doesn't have much development at all, but the main focus is the world around him so you barely notice.
>>144135997
>3 hours into the Fate VN
So you spent a chunk of the time as Rin?
>>144142329
Are you implying they don't anymore? Do you even watch anime? We have characters with living tentacles in their hair airing right now.
>>144142485
Ginko is chill but I wouldn't call him neutral. He's certainly not a character that would rub anyone the wrong way but he has a distinct personality.
>>144142307
>OPM
>shounen
>any of this stuff
>shounen
Go back to MAL, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>144142063
for the author. it's always for the author
>>144142461
>resting face
What's that?
>>144142485
Ginko is a fucking Mary Sue. He's no better than Kirito.
So it's agreed
keep the gary stu personality and harem but give them muscles and all will be well
I dream of a post apocalyptic anime with an edgy immoral selfish teenager as a MC
>>144142485
I personally feel like complaining about the MC in a harem show is like complaining about the size of a shota's dick in /ss/ porn.
>>144142329
This. Even strictly from aesthetics
>>144142438
>generic LN protag #209903298 and his typical harem loli
Yeah because aesthetically he looks like that and the creator couldn't be bothered to make him more unique/recognizable design-wise
>>144142629
male MC or female MC?
>>144142629
Makoto is all of that.
>>144142676
male
>>144142651
This season
Also shokugeki has a weird hair MC
>>144142682
the retard from school days?
I was talking more about Gantz MC at the beginning of the manga
>>144142612
The generic character design still has the ability to emote, but looks neutral when he's not doing anything. Eren looks somewhat aggressive even in a neutral state.
>>144142574
>>144142403
All this people getting triggered by muh nipponese definition. Yeah whatever, what's a sci-fi, mecha, action, or adventure genre nowadays that has easily identifiable protagonist based on their silhouette just like Guts and co?
Most of them looks like Kiritoclone fuccbois
>>144135997
What is wrong with Bell?
>>144142651
>comedic riff on generic isekai
>HE LOOKS LIKE A GENERIC ISEKAI GUY
Shocking.
>>144140998
This is not even a bait at this point in the series.
If your protagonist meets these requirements:
>short hair
>no peculiar hairstyle whatsoever
>black/brown/blue hair color
>a ''nice guy'' personality with no remarkable traits
>slim with average height
>high schooler
then he's part of the ''self-insert'' MC problem.
>>144142772
Berserk
>>144142690
start reading Xianxia novels
MC is a violent sociopath that kills everyone he doesn't like and everyone in the world are assholes who live in a "dog eat dog" world.
only problem is that it's long as hell and full of padding and filler
>>144141127
You're also probably a shitskin.
Why do manime faggots even watch anime? They keep saying how much they hate it and yet they keep watching anime.
>>144142808
best self-insert
>>144140149
Are you too childish to handle Urobuchi stuff?
>>144142772
Active Raid
Kuromukuro
Mob Psycho 100
Shokugeki
JoJo
The fucking Berserk anime that is airing right now
Watch more anime.
>>144142889
>>144139249
There are self insert faggots at times, but they're NOT the MC.
>>144142651
>Yeah because aesthetically he looks like that and the creator couldn't be bothered to make him more unique/recognizable design-wise
It's important for parts of a parody to play whatever they are poking fun at straight in order for the parody as a whole to work.
Also, I find it weird that despite looking like and having at least some qualities shared by more generic LN MCs, /a/ still loves her.
>>144142808
This is probably one of the most retarded posts in a while. Your broken english doesn't help either, faggot.
>>144142808
agree with the personality and high schooler points since it's severely overdone but what's wrong with looking like a normal person? one of my biggest pet peeves in anime is how the MC gets away with the most ridiculous details in appearance as no one seems to notice. it just doesn't make sense.
>>144142889
I can't self-insert into somebody who can still smile.
>>144142855
Take off the /pol/ goggles, please. You sound paranoid and insane.
>>144135997
Its definitely true Japan loves their characters really fucking bland now. Part of the reason I've moved back into watching some more live action stuff. Either no personality whatsoever or complete douchebag that is flawless at whatever the main conceit of the show is
>>144142808
>Notice that all but one trait are design traits
>>144140534
Shit hair
>>144142808
I refuse to believe that this guy is part of the problem.
>>144142981
read it again as i go through this thread but there's literally no broken english in his post, so you might want to go back and learn some basic reading/comprehension skills
>>144143001
>he can't even be a self-insert now
Another loss
>>144143047
Oh, shit, you've arrived. Time to abandon thread.
>>144143080
I think his hair is spiky enough to be exempt
>>144142981
Terrible bait.
>>144137824
There definitely the worst thing to happen to anime this decade. People keep giving them all kinds of contracts too and they just churn out the most mass produced soulless crap. Anime cannot survive as a creative medium with a flagship pace setter studio such as this
>>144143130
>go to shitpost thread
>abandon it when shitposting happens
get yo ass back in here
>>144140094
Why the fork would bugdet for an anime based on manga affect it's characters?
>>144143140
This was bait touma is 100% self insert and also a good fun character. But you just don't want to admit that self insert is not the problem here.
>>144142782
A cuck with a girl's name who doesn't deserve Hestia's massive melons.
>>144143059
>Notice that all but one trait are design traits
So? Design is what differentiates Kenshiro from other protagonist, and is very much part of his character
>>144140228
Truth hurts doesn't it. You can just get irrationally angry and deny it with no argument like /a/ usually does. Just call everyone a retard or say they came from tumblr if they break the script or even if you just don't like what they are saying
>this thread
It's like /a/ keeps getting dumber with each passing day.
Jesus fucking christ I'm going to kill myself if one more person posts bait spam in this thread, almost every tenth post here is calling something bait. Arguments on /a/ no longer exists its just claims with a reply calling it bait
>>144143292
>on /a/
Try on this entire fucking website.
>>144142629
Re:monster anime?
So the whole thread is about a guy who recently found out that anime isn't and has never been what he thought it was?
>>144143292
>arguing on /a/
>>144136148
The thread should've ended right here. Aside from a few exceptions like maybe Ichigo, most of those bland self-insert "voice of reason" characters come from Visual Novels.
>Years ago people bitch about how annoying and overrated hyperactive characters like Naruto and Black Star were
>Anime MCs are now all perfect pretty boys
You guys did this to yourselves.
>>144143177
There's shitposting and then there's shitposting.
>>144143292
the thread itself is bait soooo
>>144143347
And in ten years we might be back to retarded loudmouth mecha MCs everywhere, and then everyone will be bitching about those again. Whatever's too common overloads people, that's just how it is.
>>144143140
Touma is the least interesting of the Kamachi MCs, but that's because we don't get enough time of him bullying little girls.
>how can you tell
>>144143339
Every single thread about nostalgia or the industry is like this
Every single fucking time
At least when they adapted VNs shows didn't end on a cliffhanger. Now they adapt LNs that are 30% filler and longer than most manga.
I don't really care, but male hair fangs need to be banned.
>>144140685
Anime never ever
>>144143339
the joke it is that it's all the same shit but with different designs
anime then
>gary-stu self inset
anime now
>gary-stu self-insert who looks like a fuccboi
>>144141845
No. Instead the emphasis is picking which girl has the archetypes you like the most, picking her as your waifu, and then fantasising about fucking her brains out. Or holding hands. That's the only value to be taken from pretty much all harem.
>>144143553
Yes, exactly. So you agree with e that's it dumb to focus on the MC. It'd be like complaining about the mecha designs in porn.
>>144143553
Yes, good job, you've figured it out.
>>144143540
and harems don't forget harems
one thing that all that OP listed have in common is that they all stuck to one woman as god intended (well Alucard basically took two, but still) whereas the new ones all have harems
I say remove harems change their hair style and either make them tall or ripped and it will look like our retro animes again.
>>144143292
But it's easier to discredit someone's position by calling it bait instead of dealing with it in an argumentative fashion, and in both cases you get the same immediate reward of getting to be smug.
>>144143695
it's not going to happen. you better man the fuck up and stop whining like a little bitch
>>144143154
Even worse is that the seasonal garbage eaters just lap their shit right up because it panders right to them, so the industry at large is lowering themselves to A1's standards
>>144143806
You are a goddamned retard
>>144143540
anime then
>gary-stu self inset who has unique aesthetic designs
anime now
>gary-stu self-insert who looks like the same fuccbois over and over again
>>144143848
It's Aniplex guy, he thrives on your replies. Stop giving them to him.
>>144143865
>>144143540
Though thing is unique designs stand out more when other MCs are the same fuccboi.
When Gundam and Eva became popular the mech genre was oversaturated by the same reluctant, instantly good at piloting fuccboi mech pilots making characters like Kamina unique BECAUSE he looked like mech characters that were popular before those series arrived.
>>144135997
>Guts, Vash, Spike, Alucard, or even early 2000s MC like Gin from Gintama.
Are those considered good MC in anime? They are all generic self-insert garbage too. Anime is trash faggot. Even your father Miyazaki believes that, so you better stop watching stupid cartoons like a manchild and consume better media.
>>144143865
another pet peeve
anime then
>gary-stu self inset who would have varied reaction to chicks, from fucking them senseless to disregarding the hos
anime now
>gary-stu self-insert who fucking gets hands sweaty and drops their spagettii when a chick makes a move on them
>>144144054
Miyazaki isn't my father
if it was up to him anime would be like western animation, barely alive and never taken all that seriously save for Disney.
>>144144054
>consume better media.
Like shitposting on cambodian imageboard about things you don't like
>>144144076
>I haven't watched old harem anime
>>144144076
actually that was pretty normal back then too
only fuckers that knew how to take care of women were adult MCs which were never common
>>144144046
Why does it seem that everything wrong with anime always comes back to either fucking Anno or Tomino
>>144144134
>thinking people take Disney seriously as an animation company
I hate to break it to you but Disney hasn't been animating for years they just purchase copyrights and invest.
>>144144178
To be fair, old harem MCs (like 80s old, not early-00s old) generally were perverts. They were still spaghetti-dropping clutzes, though.
>>144144258
yet people still think Disney is the god of animation
doesn't matter what they are doing lately (I mean what has Miyazaki done worthy of note lately?)
>>144144076
>gary-stu self-insert who fucking gets hands sweaty and drops their spagettii when a chick makes a move on them
More like dense motherfucker for the sake of the plot and mantaining belligerent sexual tension.
>>144144218
because they are still have anime by the balls
see series like SAO and K-on are already being forgotten (hell the latter pretty much IS forgotten), but Gundam and Eva? still relevant as ever. Mostly because like /a/ Japan also likes "Grimdark and mature" series that lampshades cliches all the while reinforcing them instead of doing anything new, and Gundam and Eva were the main series of that in the already dominating mech genre.
>>144144530
>K-On pretty much IS forgotten
Not really.
>>144144530
K-On! is not forgotten at all.
>>144144054
I recently rewatched Cowboy Bebop after years and felt asleep. All it has going for it is the music and the animation because the characters all felt flat. That's why I only bother with moeshit these days. At least you know what you're getting.
>>144144530
>Mostly because like /a/ Japan also likes "Grimdark and mature" series
What /a/ do you frequent? Do you actually believe that /a/ likes grimdark over the colorful moe stuff? Have a look at the catalog from time to time. Or did you mean /v/?
>>144144530
K-On isn't forgotten. Kyoani has been coasting on it for years just like Gundam and Eva. The only difference is the scale of time.
>>144140510
So you hate for things that never actually happened as opposed to one of many readily observable and understandable reasons? Yup that's an /a/
>>144144530
None of those are forgotten, faggot. You see Kirito and Asuna pretty much still dominating most favorite character polls out there.
>>144144634
I imagine 2chan, they take their anime way to fucking seriously even if they're Japanese
>>144144787
>2chan
Why do people say this? How am I supposed to know if you're talking about 2ch or futaba?
>>144143848
Great counter argument. Very by the book /a/ an a total eye opener
>>144144832
2chan!=2ch
>>144143321
What the fuck is with japs and using Re: in titles?
>>144143867
Yes Aniplex is the most perfect thing out there and if you disagree or ever say anything critical about them then fuck you. Just fuck you right /a/-san
>>144135997
>Even Eren from SnK suffers from this syndrome.
>shounenshit
>unnecessarily dramatic dialogue
>muh MC hidden power
What made you think he wouldn't suffer from self incert?
>>144144883
it's technological!
you know how asians are with tech
>>144144880
Then why not just say futaba? They don't call themselves 2chan.
>>144144880
Most people around here don't know the difference. It is correct to ask for definition.
>>144144897
>self-incest
sounds hot desu
>>144136577
>throw a waifu
>waifu as girl
Kill yourself nigger.
>>144143806
Is it really any wonder when this industry and fanbase is filled with thought police types like >>144143867 this genius?
