What anime did you enjoy that totally flopped in Japan? Do you think a series popularity is usually indicative of its quality, and if not: why do you think some good series fail?
>>140980527
Samflam is my favourite anime
btooom!
I think most of my favorites are flops
Mitsudomoe
>>140981996
Ditto.
>>140980527
Fucking shame it flopped, I was really looking forward to a figma at the very least.
This was the greatest ride I've ever been on with /a/
I will never forget it
A lot of good series flop, just like a lot of bad series do. I don't think it's a reflection of quality always, it's more complicated than that. I still don't get it myself. Samflem was really fun.
>>140980527
Tokyo Ravens
AoKana
>>140980527
Nips just couldn't handle batman detective robot series
>>140983421
>>140983339
>>140981996
I will never forget the SamFlam.
I will never forget episode 7.
I will never forgot both of the EDs
I will never forget losing my shit after episode 7 and then dancing like a tard to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Bi3zBVqRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Bi3zBVqRU
>>140984131
MMM is love.
>>140984196
I'll take the cake, please and thank you.
Although it got really weak towards the end there, it had a lot of potential.
>>140980527
JUSTICE
>>140984253
I thought it was actually pretty great. Needs a second season though.
I'm glad the dudes making this went fuck it and confirmed a second season even though it flopped hard in japan
Etotama.
Humanity has declined
Michiko to Hatchin
and this wild ride
![mvm-michiko-full[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wxLSnDb.jpg "mvm-michiko-full[1].jpg")
>>140980527
Michiko & Hatchin
>From the creators of Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo
You just have to love Funimation's blatant lies in order to try and sell this.
C3 and pleiades were 10,/10 for me
>>140984909
Oh yeah what happened to the game?
>>140984253
Ridiculously terrible rushed adaptation. Read the books to know just how bad this anime was compared to the source material.
>>140984909
Jinrui did decently enough.
Sales have never been a sign of quality
just marketing
Popularity outside of Japan is generally a good indicator. Nips have shit taste, though.
>>140980527
>You will never watch Samurai Flamenco for the first time again
Why even fucking live.
![[HorribleSubs] Gen'ei o Kakeru Taiyou - Il Sole Penetra le Illusioni - 05 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.32_[2013.08.04_04.31.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rSPCxFC.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Gen'ei o Kakeru Taiyou - Il Sole Penetra le Illusioni - 05 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.32_[2013.08.04_04.31.42].jpg")
>>140980527
Can we name cartoons that nips gave a shot, but flopped even with top notch seiyuu cast?
If not, I think only already low-profile shows come to mind, what you can't even call flops because they knew it's gonna do bad, like Gen'ei.
>>140985101
>Read the books
>46 books
Yeah, I think I'll pass on that.
![[HorribleSubs] Etotama - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_04.13_[2015.05.19_14.49.00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q12Mlrb.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Etotama - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_04.13_[2015.05.19_14.49.00].jpg")
>>140984836
It was great, and at least a huge stepping stone to best girl's seiyuu.
SamFlam was a masterpiece.
>>140980527
>Do you think a series popularity is usually indicative of its quality
No one actually thinks this. People just say it when they're trying to convince others that the Anime they like is shit.
>>140985244
>Zettai Bouei Leviathan
Hardest flop even with the top cast. It always happens to my favorites.
>>140980527
Popularity is a complex phenomenon, partly because there are a number of different ways that a show can flop or succeed, not all of which are easy to distinguish from the outside.
If the BDs sold poorly, but the LN that it was based on got a huge uptick in popularity, that could be just as good for a studio that didn't invest its own money but would like to see repeat business from the publisher.
If the action figure line sold poorly but BDs sold well, that could be a wash for a studio that recently inked an expensive deal with an action figure company.
>>140985336
Top cast, but low budget, and general low profile work.
It isn't a real flop financially speaking, but it is still sad.
>enjoying shows which flop
If it doesn't sell, then it's shit.
If it sells, then it's shit too.
Everything is shit.
>>140980527
>>140981996
>>140983339
>>140983399
>>140983421
>>140983955
>>140984105
>>140984131
>>140984196
>>140984269
>>140985284
fiiiiiine I'll go start downloading
>>140980527
Samflam flopped? Nips truly have no taste.
>>140985530
Weaboo dream/meme anime, proceed at your own caution, I think it was actually a garbage.
Space dandy.
>>140985531
Its flop was well deserved.
>>140985564 (You)
>>140985530
It's shit
It's a wild ride
But it's ultimately shit.
>>140985498
We're not talking about profit, we're talking about popularity.
For example, Ufotable's God Eater sold decently when it was bundled with the game, but sold terribly as a standalone. The studio and the game company made a profit but the anime in itself was ot popular.
>>140985530
lurk more retard
Basquash.
Giant robots playing basketball on the moon, what more could anyone ask for? And it was pretty too. And it had a good soundtrack.
>>140985594
I guess Lovepon is exactly the type of girl whose fans are SamFlam fans too.
Ridiculous trainwreck, which was only a bit enjoyable for theory crafting.
>>140985627
rude
>>140984940
Also funny how Samurai Champloo itself flopped.
>>140985244
Gen'ei did not only have top-notch seiyuu, but a top-notch OP too.
>>140985279
How's she doing? Yumiri is great in my opinion, and she's still 18, she has a bright future ahead, dess dess.
>>140985617
Define popularity, though, if we're not going off of sales.
You can see what the most talked-about shows are or look at AOTY polls, but that suffers from the problem of bad shows looking good due to a bad season.
And something being meme'd on a lot doesn't necessarily mean it's popular or well-regarded.
>>140985681
>implying
I don't even watch the show Anon, the picture was just fitting.
>>140985745
She's doing pretty well, going on conventions, making a name for herself, and reputation going nice for her, as well as the number of fans.
On the cloudy side, she doesn't have time to reply to most of my messages to her anymore.
>>140985734
And still Genei was very low priority project, I was wondering how this could happen when such names are involved.
I loved it nonetheless.
>>140985806
Whatever makes you feel better about your weaboo casual trainwreck.
Shimoneta
Valvrape
>>140985855
I like you too, Anon.
>>140985857
Shimoneta's LNs already ended so even if it didn't flop it probably wouldn't still have gotten a second season.
>tfw /a/ is the bully
>tfw Rokka No Sales
God fucking dammit Nippon.
>>140985883
I thought the LN is still going?
>>140985952
It wasn't that great but i still enjoyed it.
While it wasn't a flop, I feel like Tamako Market deserved to sell a lot more. It was really good and so much love was poured into it.
>>140983421
Now the question is, is it genuinely great or was it alright and really fun to watch with /a/?
>>140986015
Ending/ended, doesn't matter. It's over.
>>140986263
I liked Tamako Market but it wasn't really anything spectacular, so it's not exactly surprising that it sold average at best. Even Phantom World was a more surprising flop.
>>140986273
Neither.
It was horrible but fun to watch with /a/
>>140986273
SamFlam is a legitimate masterpiece.
>>140986359
I watched it alone and still liked it. It wasn't as hype as watching it with /a/ i imagine.
>>140985637
Man, Basquash is my favorite trash-tier, nobody-watched-this anime ever. I still have the OST on my phone.
Such high potential, ruined by a director change.
>>140986456
I watched the first half and kinda dropped it then. How was the end?
>>140984909
I actually liked the series, game is coming out soon in Nipland. I pm'd Uchikoshi about it and he told me there might be a US release of the game so I can probably import it, by watching the show it's clear that it would work much better as a game. Still, very much fucking hyped for ZTD.
Anyway, to answer OP's question, I think Shinsekai Yori flopped pretty hard in Japan and that's like my favourite show ever.
>>140985530
Don't listen to overhyped weebs, the show is pretty much 'Nothing's Fucking Happening: The Anime', very boring and slow progression that ultimately leads to nothing at all and you stand there regretting the time you put into it. It's watchable but pretty meh
Michiko & Hatchin (flopped everywhere)
Also Nichijou
>>140986998
>baiting about weebs
>on 4chan
>on /a/ - Anime & Manga
Seriously dude, just give up nobody is biting the way you want them to.
VALVRAVE THE FUCKING LIBERATOR
>>140986998
>Nothing's Fucking Happening: The Anime
>>140987191
Michiko to Hatchin was pretty awesome. I liked it a lot.
>>140986998
You must have a horrible life.
>>140987289
>muh rules of nature
You just know the show is hot garbage. Let me guess, you like TTGL too?
>>140986998
this, the show is objectively bad, but it was a fun ride to experience with /a/ that's it
>>140980527
Though marketing and exposure to the right audiences serves a big role, popularity is still the only way to judge something's general quality. It may still be completely different from your personal taste of course.
Samflam is probably the hugest gap I've seen between something I love and its low popularity.
>>140987411
>nothing at all happens
>pic of things happening
It was a wild ride. Fuck off, you didnt see it you shitposter. The progression from comfy slice of life hero into holy fuck when simian slicer came around was amazing. It was beyond hype.
The ending was incredible.
Post your faces when rewatching the show after seeing this.
>>140987289
Actually I watched it without enjoying the ride with /a/ and it was pretty shit.
Ok there was huge random things pulled out of their ass but it's not enough to be a good show
>>140987551
>Ok there was huge random things pulled out of their ass but it's not enough to be a good show
Yes, it is. That's literally the only thing anime is ever good at doing.
>>140987551
I'm sorry to hear that anon. I think it's best to go into it with no expectations.
I only heard it was a boring superhero slice of life anime from a shit poster. Like kick ass the anime. I didn't watch it with /a/ either.
It was a great experience. The end actually made me cry.
Thank you random shit poster, wherever you are. Between that and FLCL, shit posters have actually made me watch shows properly. With no expectations.
That's important for some shows.
>There are now people on /a/ who hate SamFlam.
I feel like every season I have a show I adore but lament the fact its selling like shit. But this especially, although its still airing, has skyrocketed into one of my favorite shows in fucking years.
>>140987536
Of course I did, I wouldn't spout my opinion without watching the show, that's what retarda do. Again, it's not 'drop it like it's hot' bad but it's not that good either, starts off as a "comfy" slice of life and slowly becomes a superhero action slice of life, it's still a boring slog that focuses too much on the characters without actually expanding them at all.
Stuff exploding and fighting big bad guys isn't a "wild ride", it's just over the top nonsense just to distract you from the severe lack of any plot, a wild ride would be a show that constantly advances the plot with the introduction of key elements to the story, twists and character development. Monster for example is much more of a wild ride in this regard because throughout the show you constantly wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes whereas in Samurai Flamenco you just expect the next over the top enemy or incident that will make you go "LOL THAT'S SO RANDUMB" right before you have to suffer through another 10 minute dialogue about the meaning of justice or some other dumb shit
>>140987881
First season was pretty damn good but I haven't really been feeling the second season so far.
>>140987881
I'm sad it's selling badly but they did try to sell the first BD with a single episode.
This reminds me Space Dandy sold terribly despite being one of the best looking and unique anime made. We're all lucky Bones keeps trying to make originals despite them failing frequently.
>>140988003
Thats interesting because I've been hearing pretty much the exact opposite from other people, but that's probably because their braindead and can't keep track of timejumps and Japanese/Christian Calendars. I've been sold on the second season since the second episode though, I only hope it stays just as good and doesn't devolve into shit by the second half.
>>140987797
I don't hate it, I just don't like it. At least I watched the whole thing and formed my opinion on my own, not adhering to some kind of collective hivemind's opinion
>>140987968
>Monster for example is much more of a wild ride
>a dull, cliched, poor man's version of a western live action drama is a "wild ride"
so this is the type of person who thinks Samflam is bad
>>140988173
That's fine with me, but people who say it's a bad show just because they don't like it are kinda weird.
>>140984836
mein fucking nigga
>>140988173
>liking a show means you're part of some collective hivemind
Do you go around calling everyone who doesn't think like you sheeple?
>>140988247
>>a dull, cliched, poor man's version of a western live action drama is a "wild ride"
Have you actually watched Monster?
>>140988327
There have been numerous people itt saying that watching this show with /a/ was a 'wild ride', that's what I'm referring to.
>>140988329
>ctrl+f
>no sora no woto
>>140980527
>What anime did you enjoy that totally flopped in Japan?
Samurai Flamenco.
>Do you think a series popularity is usually indicative of its quality
No, a series popularity is driven by its appeal and its ability to maintain it long enough.
>why do you think some good series fail?
Not enough appeal.
>>140988532
Sorry didn't mean to quote.
>>140988580
It's ok I feel you, phoneposting is the worst
![[CTSS] Shirogane no Ishi - Argevollen - 10 [H264 AAC 1280x720][10bit][8C389A81].mkv_snapshot_05.19_[2015.11.06_06.28.15].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RqKivIi.jpg "[CTSS] Shirogane no Ishi - Argevollen - 10 [H264 AAC 1280x720][10bit][8C389A81].mkv_snapshot_05.19_[2015.11.06_06.28.15].jpg")
Also M3, Buddy Complex and Nobunagun.
Shin Mazinger Shougeki Z Hen
>>140988658
I liked Argevollen as well. Such a solid and enjoyable mecha show
>>140989304
>>140985952
I fucking loved this show. I dug the whole mayan/aztec fantasy shit.
>>140985952
Solid as fuck. Shame the ending was terrible and we'll never get a second season.
No game no life
>>140989701
>flopped
>>140989701
You don't know what the word flopped means
>>140988387
I think that just means the show is meant to be enjoyed with others. I watched the show with a friend after it'd aired, and it was great. We had a blast.
I hope anyone remembers this! I want to believ that at leat the manga gets translated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpBiW0NuYFA
Recently, Pandora. Rikdo's good.
>>140989630
I found it kinda boring.
>>140985952
Very much enjoyed this show, shame for no S2
>>140990031
>Green constantly adjusting his glasses even with his helmet on
I loved that gag
I feel like a whole lot of stuff by Yuasa gets poor sales but is regarded very highly after the fact.
Still haven't watched Ping Pong yet though.
>>140989807
>>140989852
It did flop in Japan
>>140990294
It's awesome. I can understand if someone doesn't like the artstyle, though. It's pretty unconventional for today.
hands down, shin sekai yori or nichijou. dont lie, im sure a bunch of anon feel the same
>>140990414
Shinsekai Yori flopping is absolutely criminal. I don't even fucking get it, the show is so damn good
>>140990387
I got no problem with the style, my issue was at the time it was airing you'd either have to deal with horriblesubs which pretty much ruined a show like that when its all about style, or wait for days for the good or typeset subs and miss all discussion. Flipping back and forth had me dropping it with the intention of watching it when good subs were wrapped up, but I never got around to it. I got to much other stuff in my backlog to deal with before I can chill out and watch people play Ping Pong.
>>140986517
Macross with Basketball.
>>140990492
Ah well, don't push it back too far, it's very enjoyable. The OP and ED is awesome, too and so it the whole OST imo. Also i think there are Commie Subs and a 2nd other than HS when i remember correctly.
>>140990681
Yeah, I remember Commie having some really great subs because with a series all about style and looks they managed to carry it over and stay consistent rather then white text hardsubs. I'll bump it up on the backlog and hopefully watch it soon.
>>140990414
I'll never get why Nichijou flopped. It just makes no sense at all.
>>140990772
That's the spirit!
>>140989630
>>140985952
One of those LNs people say isn't like other fantasy LNs but still has mook enemies with named power levels despite not having anything to do with games.
Samflam was a great deal of fun, but there was a extremely weak period during there when they were just playing monster of the week for far too long. Was getting sick of it and considering dropping it until it picked up and went full masterpiece in the back half of the series.
>>140990882
Producers fucked Kyoani over with 2 episode, even more overpriced BDs.
That and earthquake.
Nichijou.
Do japs have bad taste?
>>140990294
>Still haven't watched Ping Pong yet though
>2016
For shame.
Didn't Akatsuki no Yona flop?
Samflam, Michiko and Hatchin, lots of things people mention here. Hell, Gundam 0079 and Zeta Gundam were flops.
In the end I love plenty of things that were not popular, but still have loving fan bases or got more appreciated after their runs. Look at popular movies in the west or popular songs -- it's about appeal and not about any sort of objective artistic quality. Plenty of legit masterpieces get famous, but plenty of utter shit does too.
>>140982781
>Btooom!
>>140984836
>Etotama
>>140984909
>Jinrui
>>140987191
>Nichijou
>>140990414
>Nichijou and SSY
I liked these. Some more than others, but I enjoyed them all.
I also loved Chaika and it flopped.
But the real evidence that sales don't mean quality is Uchouten Kazoku.
>>140992280
>Zeta Gundam were flops
Well deserved. It's pretty shit (especially compared to the original) and the main character is an unlikeable dickhead.
>>140992564
True on Zeta, but the original was a flop anyway as well. Then one of its characters became the Japanese equivalent of Darth Vader in pop culture. It goes to show that current sales don't reflect a bunch, but they usually spell complete doom for a show anyway. Only some anime escape that fate, the ones lucky enough to have successful LNs or manga or merch which is the minority. Less and less people are watching anime though while manga sales are still fine.
>>140984940
The show was overall great, but there were times when I was like, "Why is this so dark, why aren't Michiko and Hatchin spending more time together? I thought this was supposed to be about their wacky adventures."
>>140985129
It was really fun watching it with a bunch of first timers at my uni's anime club. I still have a video of everyone's reaction to Guillotine Gorilla, but it's a grainy 3DS video because my phone died so I haven't uploaded it anywhere
>>140985857
Shimoneta's jokes got stale very fast and it's potential was killed in the first 3 or episodes. It could've been more, the concept was awesome and they actually could've made real critique about censorship in 2015. They didn't and after a few steps the show fell on it's face straight into a steaming pile of shit. It's possible they got scared of the ramifications if they had gone further.
It ended up being yet one more bland, ecchi fanservicey romantic comedy with stunted story and character progression.
>>140985952
If they just had adapted some things beyond the first book it would have worked better.
![[Kaylith] Glasslip - 12 [720p][6F692CEB].mkv_snapshot_03.37_[2016.05.01_03.48.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/taYyNUF.jpg "[Kaylith] Glasslip - 12 [720p][6F692CEB].mkv_snapshot_03.37_[2016.05.01_03.48.46].jpg")
Glasslip
>>140992280
>>140992564
0079 was a flop, but zeta was definitely not. Neither in ratings, home video or mechandise sales. It made a shit ton of money and was a source of copy cat plot lines and character archetypes for both gundam itself and other unrelated shows.
If zeta was a flop, there would not have been a ZZ, CCa, or any other gundam series after.
>>140993356
The OP was nice, but the show itself was incredibly boring.
>>140993455
Was Zeta the one that was forced to end a few eps early, or was that 0079?
>>140993356
>anything PA Works other than Uchouten Kazoku
>>140986273
I watched it hooked up to my tv with friends after school and then shitposted about it afterwards. Equally fun with real friends and /a/. Don't know how much I would have enjoyed if I had to sit through the flamengers arc alone though.
Like, yes, objectively SF is shit, but I formed such an emotional bond, and I've shared it with so many friends since 2013... it's still one of my favorite shows of all time, but context is definitely important.
>>140993679
Will there ever be a Uchoten Kazoku s2? How much more material is there? I loved that shit.
>>140986273
It's genuinely a masterpiece. I watched it alone after being spoiled from seeing thousands of gorilla threads on /a/, and it was the perfect the whole way through
People who say it's "objectively bad" are objectively dumb
>>140993983
Anime covered 1 novel. Author published a second one (of a supposedly planned trilogy). So there's at least enough material for another season. Uchouten Kazoku Nidaime no Kicho (The return of the second generation) is the title of the second novel, the "second generation" refers to a generation of tengu.
>>140980527
There's always the possibility that it was unpopular in Japan but popular here, like >>140992280 says, because the show was originally made in a way which appeals to Western audiences rather than Japanese ones.
>>140987968
Not him but I loved Samurai Flamenco. Partly for the LOL SO RANDUMB comedy, yes, but also because I found it well directed. Moments that had to be impactful really hit for me. Whenever they didn't I was busy laughing anyway. The mix of comedy and drama just worked for me.
Kaze no stigma, but I think the author died or something
>>140994417
Did they find the missing girlfriend?
Kaze no stigma, but I think the author died or something.
>>140991252
No one liked the Flamengers arc, it ended strong but there was a break, slow beginning and too much dragging.
I genuinely think this is one of the greatest anime in years, topped only by NEEDLESS.
Feel free to call my taste shit.
>>140993606
0079
>>140985033
Fucking Pleiades man.
>>140980527
>Do you think a series popularity is usually indicative of its quality
It depends on the show. However what matters most is your own opinion
>and if not: why do you think some good series fail?
Sometimes there's no reason for otaku to buy it at all. Like the manga is already done or they just want to buy the source material directly. Other times, there are shows that may be good but not "i want to own this" good which I think happens a lot more than people think. The people who don't buy anime don't have unlimited funds. Sometimes they are fine with their DVR recordings or whatever. It's the ones that give off the feeling of "support me" and appeal harder than others are the ones that get the real sales
>>140994750
Went looking for information about a second season for that recently. Seems it'll be second season never ;_;
To be fair, I know why Stella C3-bu bombed. But man do I wish it didn't
