I love scanlation wars.
>>140877638
It's nice to see them competing with each other, that's like admitting that they like what they're doing and not entire happy to get less workload.
The readers benefit from this.
>>140877638
2 GROUPS ENTER
1 GROUP LEAVES
>>140877638
I want to start a group that just does releases of mangaë that other people are busy with.
>>140877788
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls... Scanalatin' time's here.
>>140879788
I would love this, just call it /a/, bonus points for never actually translating anything and just taking it from them 1:1.
>>140879851
nothing is stopping you. [anon] even started back up
>>140877638
my fucking sides
that little -12- at the end
my fucking sides
>>140877708
It shows you that they're doing it for the attention, and not just because they want the English speaking community to be able to read it.
>group 1 translates
>group 2 comes to translate faster
>group 1 rages and cries about group 2 "stealing" their work
>group 1 quits
Why are scanlation groups so fucking childish?
Remember when sub groups were like this?
Back when, you know, subs were a thing.
So obnoxious, yet I still mourn the death of subbing.
>>140877638
Soup is based
>>140877708
>The readers benefit from this.
HAHAHAHA
>>140881844
kek
How pathetic are you if your whole self worth is based on translating hentai.
(having your whole self worth based on something is the only reason I can see that someone would get pissed like this.)
>>140877638
>They steal it from us
>steal it
>STEAL
my fuking sides, is there someone more retarded than scanlators?
>>140877638
The best part is that often, the ones who squabble over these rubbish are the ones working on shitty battle harems and the likes of it.
All while the non pissy scanlators with good tastes are quietly doing their stuff with minimal drama.
>>140882082
MUH DICK though
https://jaiminisbox.com/
>We are recruiting : Translators (Japanese to English & Chinese to English)
>Chinese to English
>>140881732
I think Group 1 exiting after Group 2 is faster is a good thing. Only the crying around isn't. Why would you claim a project when you're slow af?
>scanlators bickering over who gets to scanlate what
>meanwhile dozens of quality manga are left to gather dust waiting for translation
kek
>>140881732
>>140881844
>>140882011
M-MUH DIBS
I get subbing groups hating to duplicate work and refusing to start working on a series that is already getting subs, but ragequitting because somebody else joins the scene is pretty retarded.
Just because you called dibs on translating something doesn't mean others can't work on it if they want to. All this crying about "stealing" is pretty pathetic.
>>140881786
I don't remember anime subs doing this much. They did something similar if a show they're on got picked up by simulcasting but anime sub groups rarely bitched at each other for doing the same show. It was fairly common to see multiple groups doing the same show all the fucking time and nobody gave a shit and put out their own subs at their own pace.
I kinda wish someone would take over my project(s), but it's unlikely.
>>140882205
>Why would you claim a project when you're slow af?
Ask Japanzai. They're the master of this.
>>140882269
me too, too bad it's not an harem manga.
>>140882268
They're a bunch of crybabies, they expect people to respect their dibs but if only they saw it as a competition they wouldn't cry over other scanlators being "unfair".
>>140877638
it's funnier when kewl is involved.
>>140879788
>mangaë
mid lel m8
>>140881732
Because group 1 was doing it strictly because they wanted everyone to suck their dicks, and group 2 came along and stole their thunder.
>>140882331
For those who missed out.
>>140882367
Is this real?
>>140881732
Because often, they ARE children. The scanlation scene is filled with teenagers with half-baked knowledge of Japanese.
>>140881732
>group 2 translates some more chapters
>group 2 quits
JUST
>>140882367
Top kek
>>140882395
KOI HA HIKARI
>>140882367
>trusting people that keep fucking me over
This is the favorite train of thought of every mentally ill ego-maniacal crybaby on the internet ever.
>>140882367
>my translation
this is quality humor
>>140882173
你说什么了
>>140882388
>The scanlation scene is filled with teenagers with half-baked knowledge of Japanese.
I wish I had a half-baked knowledge of Japanese so I could do my own scanlations.
Been too busy job hunting to study any Japanese.
>>140882388
>DJT
>those occasional faggots who wander in
>haven't even completed Core 2k
>asking for help with extremely basic shit, sometimes even things that they'd know if they just went through Tae Kim
>they say that they need this help for their translation release
These are the people that translate your manga.
>>140882583
Good, otherwise I couldn't read them
>>140882635
These people are just half-making shit up.
>>140882583
I may be shit at Japanese but at least I know how to lurk and not bother others with my stupid problems.
>>140882666
Yes and I enjoy that over looking at raws with no context.
>>140882666
Without a translation I'd have to fully make shit up.
>>140882635
>>140882688
Reading nonsenses that are the complete opposite of the original text counts as good to you? Wrong context is preferable to no context to you?
>>140882666
>half
That's putting it nicely.
>>140882741
Better than nothing desu I can't read jap, so I won't be able to tell if a translation is good or not.
>>140882509
Do assimil for 30 minutes a day. It is what I did and I could follow anime without subs after a couple of months.
>>140882583
>core 2k
Great way to test your vocab or polish it, abysmal and slow way to learn it. Just my 2 cents though, might work for others.
>>140882672
Asking for help with problems is okay.
Taking a role of an informed authority such as a translator when you're just a novice yourself is not. Essentially, if Japanese isn't as clear as a sunny afternoon on the plains to you, you have no place being a translator. That's a betrayal of trust.
>>140882688
>>140882700
With these guys, you might get a better idea of what's actually going on in some panels just using your imagination without their incorrect guesses misleading you.
>>140882857
Different anon but how should I learn vocab?
>>140882173
what a beautiful duwang
>>140882915
It's a feeling so complicated
>>140882920
It conveys the truth.
>>140882890
Through anki and reading.
I, too, once fell for the "you can drop anki" meme. I later regretted it, and my learning skyrocketed forward when I started actually sticking to anki.
>>140882268
What's also funny about them complaining how others are "stealing" projects, is that they're without a doubt stealing the work of the creator, translating without his permission or distributing it through channels he never approved, without him seeing any compensation. And they're sitting on their high horse, telling others what they can and cannot do.
>>140882741
>>140882768
This only means something if I can read the nipponese text.
I can't. So those images are worthless to me.
>>140882890
By leaving the words in their context. So that means listening/reading japanese "stuff" with translations. That isn't to say that learning vocab the "flashcard" way doesn't have its place, I just don't see how anyone can honestly believe creating a database of 2k+ flashcards with a word + definition is a good way to learn a language. I speak 5 languages, I have learned none of these with flashcards, and anyone I have met who HAS learned these languages with flashcards tend to make typical non-native mistakes
To give you an example; Japanese people who learn English. They get taught English the "flashcard" way, just lists of words and rules which they bruteforce into their brains. The result is very stiff and unnatural English conversational skills. Ask one of these people "How are you doing?" and you will invariably receive the response "Fine, thank you. How are you doing?", because that is how their textbook has taught them this, when X respond with Y.
Again, and I can't stress this enough, bruteforcing vocab has its place. Just don't turn yourself into a walking dictionary, you'll know 2000 japanese words and still not be able to hold your own in a conversation.
>>140882976>>140883109
Thanks guys. I have one more question, how much vocab should I know before I start reading manga?
>>140883204
As long as you have a dictionary you're good
>>140883204
If you can read kana and can google you're good
>>140883217
I mean as in, use a dictionary in the beginning until you get it into your brain. Then after seeing it a lot, you begin to memorize it and eventually interpret it depending on the context of what you're reading
>>140883204
Just start reading it whenever you get time next to your regular learning. At first it will be painfully slow, frame by frame. When I started I viewed it more as a puzzle than actual reading. I started with LN's and it would literally be letter by letter. But the satisfaction I got from recognizing patterns, or having some sort of mini epiphany about a certain aspect of the language was very nice. Also nothing could beat the feeling of finally getting to the end of a page and being able to say "I can read that now, I know what that says".
>>140882741
>>140882768
The problem with these types of images is that they only make any sense at all if you know japanese.
Using them to prove the lack of value in some translations to people who read translations is pointless.
>>140883217
>>140883263
>>140883309
Thanks, I think I'll start with something simple like Yotsuba&!
>>140883331
>implying
Please, those images are just for people who know moon to laugh at those who don't. There's no need for 'proving'.
>>140883370
Posting them in this context is almost as embarrassing as scanlation wars.
>>140883439
Why were you under the impression that one party is better than the other?
>>140883331
I don't expect them to be master the language they're translating from, but I at least expect them to master the language they're translating to.
>>140883485
>all these spanish and portugese groups releasing garbage english scans
Wew
Do any scan groups see another group is translating the same thing and go "Oh hey, we can get releases of this out faster if we reach out to them and work together."?
>>140883548
Most of the time they don't because the second group is just as pretentious as them.
>>140883109
Steve Kauffman used flashcards to learn to read Chinese characters, and he's just about the most pro-reading person that you'll ever meet.
You're right in saying that you don't just don't stop with flash cards. However, it's an extremely speedy way of beefing up your vocabulary in order to make reading and listening easier. And Core 6k is great, because everything there is common, and it's completely voiced, which can help with retention.
>you'll know 2000 japanese words and still not be able to hold your own in a conversation
2000 words isn't enough to hold any kind of relaxed, meaningful conversation. You can use caveman language to clumsily handle a number of simple tasks, such as greetings, some simple off-handed comments, depositing a check, asking where [insert one of the relatively small number of location nouns at your disposal] is, or calling for help in a variety of emergency situations, and you'll only understand the response if the other party talks to you as if you were a baby. In order to hold a good conversation where both sides are comfortable and enjoying themselves, I'd say that you need at least five times that amount, depending on the subject matter. Roughly 10k tends to mark the fluency line according to CEFR.
>>140883204
As soon as you finish a grammar guide. You can use kanjitomo and jisho for unfamiliar kanji. Actually, I'd kinda recommend VNs. They tend to be a bit higher on the difficulty scale compared to shounen manga, but texthookers + rikai auto import makes it very easy to build a mined anki deck. Have Dictionary of Japanese Grammar (all three of them) handy.
>>140883548
Things always get ugly when money is involved in the form of donation boxes.
>>140883616
Thanks for the advice. Are there any VNs in particular I should just look for one's with simple japanese?
>>140883548
no they are too retarded. In this case, both Jaimini and Miso are retarded.
>>140883795
If I was Miso, I wouldn't work with fucking Jaimini desu.
>>140883752
Flyable Heart seems to be the most common beginner's VN.
I didn't like it, but it was a decent throwaway work to iron out the worst of my grammar issues.
>>140883815
the miso group are on /a/. Makes me wonder if some of them are in this thread. I recognize TLanon, teddy-kun etc..
>>140883626
>donation boxes
Implying people actually donate. Unless it's for mega popular harem-shit.
Ineterestingly, anime sub groups don't have as much drama, despite their work being even easier.
>>140883905
>Implying people actually donate. Unless it's for mega popular harem-shit.
You're beyond retarded desu. If got so many donations from manga no one reads it's incredible. Just do a popular manga of any genre and you will get a good amount of pocket money.
>>140883905
Or H-manga.
>>140883936
That's because they're all dead.
>>140883821
Thanks.
>>140883616
>2000 words isn't enough
dunno, seems enough for me, especially if we take into account all the other words that take root from the most common 2k.
http://www.talkenglish.com/vocabulary/top-2000-vocabulary.aspx
even if you know 10k, they'll still think you're gaijin.
>>140883905
You'd be surprised on the people abusing the desperate english-only readers.
What are your thoughts on LQ scans?
By which I mean groups using scans from Korea with the huge ass Umaru watermark, and translating it from Korean with Times New Roman as a font
>>140884127
Anon, suppose that someone is drowning. A foreigner with 2k vocabulary who hasn't learned the word "drown" yet sees him and says "This man is not breathing well because of the water!" Can he get his point across? Sure. Would holding a conversation with him be a pleasant experience without any confusion? Definitely not. He lacks the raw vocabulary to express himself articulately.
There's a difference between just having an accent and having such a small base to work from that half of what the natives have to say is lost on you, and your own wording can be a bit clunky and confusing. The former can come across as extremely intelligent and fun to be around. The latter tends to come across as a bit stupid, and isn't really enjoyable enough to talk to that he can make real friends.
>>140884323
Disgusting but if there is no alternative, theres no reason to tell them to fuck off.
>>140881844
holy shit I love Unlove S. Too bad those faces became all memey
>>140884346
And what if the better alternative means having to wait for a few more days?
Reason I ask is cause recently that's been happening withNisekoi, and although the series is a pile of shit lately, it still irks me that people do it.
>>140884378
>And what if the better alternative means having to wait for a few more days?
Then there's no real reason to do scans from korean except to fuck over the respective group working on it.
>>140884328
~15k is what most natives have, depending on the language and level of education.
>>140884426
That confirms my thoughts, good.
>>140884378
You choose what scans you read and whether to wait for something. It's up to personal standards and no one can tell a scan group to fuck off, no matter how shit they are, just because they don't like them. That's literally the same shit autistic retards that demand their monopoly on translating pirated scans from a manga do. If the good translator stopped because people like LQ speed tl's then he didn't give a shit about anything other than e-peen and ad money in the first place.
>>140884469
Pretty sure that 30k-40k is more typical for an adult Japanese. 15k is more middle school level, if not a little younger.
>>140884513
As part of the team who works on Nisekoi I agree with you that people should be able to pick for themselves what they read, it's just that most aggregation sites upload the first English release there is, regardless of quality.
And while I also think that people should download instead of reading it online, most of the people who read manga don't bother doing that, so they're stuck with the shitscans.
>>140884573
Just drop Nisekoi if you feel like you're wasting your time and pick up something else that you like.
>>140884602
Nah I don't feel like I'm wasting my time. As forced as the plot has been lately, I still enjoy it.
And it's not like I spend a lot of time on it. After switching to the digital WSJ raws, shit's been easy to work on.
I don't get how there are so many scanlators that put effort into translation and all that but completely drop the ball when it comes to grammar and cleaning, it's really easy to do.
Why don't you just ask Crunchyroll to pick it up?
>>140883905
They do. You clearly haven't been paying attention.
>>140884631
Probably non-native English speakers who couldn't be assed to get a native editor.
Either that or teenagers who are going to get on facebook as soon as they're done (likely have a piss poor understanding of Japanese, too).
>>140883616
>2000 words isn't enough to hold any kind of relaxed, meaningful conversation.
Wasn't the point I was trying to make. Merely pointing out that even if you can reproduce a plethora of different words and their definition, it doesn't mean you'll be able to converse properly. sure you'll be able to make yourself understood by stringing together the words you know.
Want to become fluent in a language? Move to that country, you'll learn their way of expressing themselves, their common idioms and their slang. Not only that, but you can't opt out of learning, you can't go "don't feel like practicing today", tough shit, that supermarket doesn't into English, deal with it. I have had to do it 4 times, and it has been the absolute fastest way to learn the languages (although pretty rough at times and not the prettiest of sights).
>4
>1-3
>1
>2-11
>12
Are these the chapter numbers? Why is it inconsistent?
>>140877788
>>140884695
Look at the right column for the group.
JB releases ch. 1
Miso Soup releases ch. 1-3
Miso Soup releases ch. 4
JB releases ch. 2-11
Miso Soup releases ch. 12
>I'm quitting because Miso Soup stole my work
>6 dudes working on a chapter
>blur the shit out of raws
>shit translation and shitton of errors
top quality scans by Jamini, don't forget to donate
>>140884680
Even people from here do it though, people not even doing the basic as fuck cleaning that takes 5 minutes in photoshop even if you've never tried before.
>over 100 million people speak japanese
>this number includes all sorts of retards
>japanese most difficult language ever meme still strong as ever
Try learning dutch, now that's a pants on head retarded language.
>>140882768
What am I missing here? The only thing I can really say might be wrong is that it would be more accurate if Ribbons said "Maybe I should try reading some?"
>>140884767
>like just like
STOP
>>140884323
The worst fucking cancer.
[Kisaragi Gunma] It's a Straight Line Once You Fall in Love (x3200)
Fuck you, jewcob and daiz. I'll never give you fucks anything. How does that make you feel?
>>140884777
Good thing it's a completely irrelevant shit language that's not useful for anything.I should know, seeing as I'm dutch.
>>140884794
Jesus my brain parses this shit automatically, so I hardly notice errors like that.
>>140884573
>most of the people who read manga don't bother doing that, so they're stuck with the shitscans
And you shouldn't care about these people just like you shouldn't care about people reading manga on youtube.
>>140884791
Well I mean it reads really weird.
I don't know if it's an accurate translation, but no one actually speaks english like that.
You can't tell me that the first text bubble sounds natural.
>>140884777
>this number includes all sorts of retards
yeah because most of them grew up in japan and had no choice but to learn it.
>japanese most difficult language ever meme still strong as ever
it is to eol peasants.
>>140884760
This is actually a jewish thing to do, if no big amount of time between releases involved.
>>140884791
>What am I missing here?
The entire first part which you should be able to tell is wrong even if you don't speak moon. If you know moon, you should know it's the absolute opposite of what's being translated.
>>140884777
>over 100 million people speak japanese
>most of them being japanese themselves
Whew.
>>140884760
they didn't quit though
>>140884791
>少女まんがくらいしか読まないけど
>探して読んでみようかな
>Even though I only read stuff like shojo manga
>I'll see if I can find it and read it.
This is right at the start when she didn't realise Nokazi's manga is a shojo manga, thus she's shocked to find it's one of the titles she usually reads.
>>140884922
>eol
what?
>>140884986
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/E%C3%B6l
>>140885025
>>140885025
>>140884791
>doesn't even know fucking basic thing like しか
Jesus and to think fagboys like you readily give out their opinions about translations.
>>140882205
>group 1 leaves
>group 2 leaves shortly after and no one picks the series back up for half a year or more
>>140884847
I had to learn it due to job circumstances.
The grammar is inconsistent as fuck
The vocab needed enormous since you have a special little dutch snowflake word for every object under the sun.
The pronunciation basically requires you to redevelop your vocal chords, only African tribe languages beat you at impossible sounds needed to express oneself.
Every other sentence you lot use is some sort of expression or obscure idiom for which you need to take a history course to understand its full and proper significance.
Then to top it all of you fags now decide to just throw in English willy nilly, which is confusing as fuck because as an outsider you initially have no idea what Dutch words you lot have decided to substitute with the English equivalent.
It is by far the hardest language I have had to learn, you'd think a language like German would be harder, but it isn't because it is far more consistent. Dutch is just all over the fucking place.
>>140884903 >>140884940 >>140884967 >>140885089
Thanks senpai
>>140884922
>>140884950
Ya, so what? You think nips have a language gene? There are Nips born and raised in America who speak English perfectly while not being able to understand Japanese, and then there are Americans born in nipland who speak Japanese perfectly.
It is a case of applying yourself, if 100 million people learned it, so can you. You just need to sit down and learn it, not spend 15 minutes a day glossing over anki and expecting it to magic itself into your brain, no, actually bathe yourself in the language.
>>140885114
I'm sorry you had to go through that, anon.
>>140883527
Yeah, I can relate to that. It happened to a series I found out about recently that I tried to read. It was literally badly written english translated from portugese, and that was one of the moments that really drove it home to me that I would be better off just learning japanese myself.
>>140885114
You pretty much just described how English appears to a non-native.
I don't know dutch, but it can't have as many weird pronunciation quirks as English, right? Though, rough, through, thought, bough and all that bullshit.
>>140884967
You know what's sadder? I've bought officially translated manga that had worse translations than this.
This is what I love about Germany. Except fucking a few names up they don't just translate, no, they even improve the dialog adding more context to it. Seriously English un/official scans are most of the times garbage. If you can you should go for the Jap/German/French version instead.
>>140877638
>someone translate something nobody work on
>he's meh at this but still better than nothing
>people raise complains about quality of translation
>lol if you know japanese that well why don't you translate it yourself
This is my favorite part of "scanlation drama" pure butthurt.
>>140884680
I don't read scanalated manga, but the snips of LN translations I've seen recently are clearly ESL.
I get the idea that this is pretty common in crap translations:
>Starts with dodgy Chinese translation (why bother learning moon to read the original?)
>Translates that into bad English
>>140885329Taiwan and Hong Kongreleases are pretty accurate too. The former is even faster too, since Kadokawa has their own subsidiary there.
>>140885266
I don't know if I would call them quirks, but they have a bunch of sounds pretty much unique to their language, one of the worst being:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrI2-bZ7wpc
Hotdamn, whoever thought that was a good idea.
>>140884777
Dutchie learning Japanese here.
While it's true that Dutch is a retarded language full of inconsistencies and asshat logic, you can at least read Dutch.
Japanese is on a different level with the vast amount of Kanji alone. I also really dislike how to put emphasis on their verbs by adding a shitton of gibberish that's supposed to make sense. It makes it so much harder to translate.
>>140885368
LN translations are worse off compared to your avarage manga scanlation.
>>140885243
You can teach monkey to use sign language, it doesn't mean monkey can speak in human language or you in monkey language.
Same here. Children learn dominant language has nothing to do with it being easy to learn or speak. Even more so if you're an adult and you have learned entirely different native language.
>>140885281
I did a little bit of scanlation at one point.
My 'fondest' memory is making an easy mistake in one of the chapters (translating a characters name because I didn't realise it was a name due to no honorific), and then, months later, getting the official release and seeing the same mistake.
I mean I'm crap at it but at least I'm not trying to claim a pay check with it.
>>140885374
I see what you mean, I hate that kind of throat noise. At least you didn't have to learn welsh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxO0UdpoxM
Jamini and Nekyou are both trash
>>140885368
>chinese students
>learning japanese
Yeah, right.
>>140885396
I am actually having an easier time learning Japanese than I had learning Dutch.
All their sounds are easy, their grammar pretty straightforward, almost simplistic at times. Ya, they have a boatload of kanji but I don't mind straightforward repetition and memorization, it is time consuming rather than difficult and confusing. Not saying that it is easy learning a new language, but I am definitely having less issues with Jap than Dutch.
>>140885433
What a load of ass pull.
>>140885469
Why the fuck did they name a place that, were they having a giggle over too much alcohol one night or so, Jesus.
>>140882804
is assimil literally how you spell it?
>>140885577
To those people, it's an easy word.
They probably didn't even give a shit until the rest of the world noticed.
>>140885524
As an ameriburger, Japanese really only has a few "odd" sounds, tsu (English only uses ts at the end of words), and hyo/ryo/kyo/etc. which people want to pronounce as hiyo/riyo/kiyo even though sho is a normal English sound and they can't into extrapolation.
The vowels, however, are exactly the same as in Spanish. I did badly at two semesters of Spanish in college, which was a great start for learning moon on my own. But it evicted most of my knowledge of Spanish grammar, so I want to think of Spanish words with Japanese grammar. (And I'm in Texas where there are a lot of Spanish speakers.)
>>140885454
Shitty TLs are the ones doing chinese comics. Good TLs would be off pursuing other better paying jobs.
It's hard to overstate how amazing it is to learn Japanese.
As someone who basically spent a decade here, and only bothered actually studying past the entry level "hurr I learned da kana" level a little over a year ago, the amount of shit I can read has gone through the roof. I'm no longer reliant on the whims of translators when I jump on sadpanda, I can comfortably browse Pixiv, and I can read most stuff at a slow pace.
People throw around shit like "it takes 4 years to learn Japanese", but what people don't understand is that isn't 4 years of studying and then you wake up fluent. It's reading new shit all the time, in a vastly superior form because you aren't relying on some Chinese college student's guesswork to capture the meaning of the scribbles.
>>140885635
>>140885577
Yeah, like Gaelic. It was just a spoken language for most of it's history then some assholes came from Italy demanding everything fit their system so they just said "What the fuck" and threw in a whole bunch of superfluous letters
>>140885586
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimil
Name of the company that does a bunch of the courses. They all heavily rely on the student listening to audio of conversations spoken by natives.
I use it as a supplement on top of the other stuff. One lesson a day, I listen to the recording, try to decipher what is being said, then look at the text/translation, listen to the recording again, read the text out loud, then listen to the recording again whilst speaking along with it. Then I do the exercises that go along with the lesson, usually consisting of writing/filling in the gaps etc.
I find that it helps enormously with pronunciation and developing a more naturally flowing conversational style.
>>140885691
So are you living in Japan right now? How is it? Ijust finished relearning the kanaand I want to go there so I can actually learn stuff but I'm a student currently so don't really have any money or time. I feel like if I went there I'd learn an immense amount in a few weeks as oppose to a few months of practice in a Western country.
>>140885516
The chinks actually ARE the ones more likely to learn moon. Due to shit like jap companies outsourcing to china for a bunch of services etc, there is actual pragmatic use for leaning jap.
Look up business ties regions like Guilin has with some parts of Japan.
>>140885691
It was weird a while back when NicoNico had an event at some French anime con. I could understand the French speakers when they were speaking moon but not when they were speaking French.
>some Chinese college student's guesswork
muh I KNOWZ KANJYZ THEIR CHYNEZE RITE?
>>140885691
The only problem with this is coming back to stuff later on when you know more Jap and realize that you'd made mistakes before.
>fully understand what's going on in a doujin this time
>it's nowhere near as hot as the bullshit your imagination was making up to fill in the gaps
>>140885764
> I want to go there so I can actually learn stuff but I'm a student currently so don't really have any money or time.
Doesn't your uni have any sort of exchange program? I've also heard that a company called Gogonihon helps students study in japan, though I haven't done so myself. (You might want to google that yourself)
>>140885764
By "a decade here", I meant 4chan. Honestly, you can learn just as well anywhere, you just have to force yourself a little more. I'd say people could very easily live in Japan and learn almost nothing if they just stuck to the internet all day.
>>140885803
I miss the western nico events, they were great.
>>140881844
>...from the hentai scanlating community.
I lost it
>>140885815
Fun fact: Miyazaki had the same "problem" growing up reading stuff well above his level, he would use his imagination to fill in the gaps. Later this would help him create the now infamous Souls series.
How to learn moon:
1. stop wasting time on 4chan
>>140885855
>I'd say people could very easily live in Japan and learn almost nothing if they just stuck to the internet all day.
Over 50k US military personnel agree with you.
>>140881844
Kek, do they think the doujin belongs to them or something?
>I think I'd like to translate that one sometime
>BAWW how could someone else translate that?! OH MY GOD, I called it first, that's like I almost wrote and drew the whole thing!
They seriously chose the wrong field to get attention, I don't give a shit who translated what ever, and never give the credits page more than a split second it takes to click next
>>140885927
>>140885855
Pretty much. It all goes to how willing you are to step outside your comfort zone.
Since we spoke of chinese, it reminds me of my university days where the chinese international students will be around for years and yet their english remain just as shitty as when they arrived. And the reason is simple, they stick to their own clique, rarely try to interact with the locals and stuck to using mandarin as much as possible.
I mean, I get that it's tough being stuck in a foreign land so it's nice to have your folks from your own country, but that means you're never going to improve. No wonder there's so much scandals about chinese students paying ghost-writers to do their assignments for them, but that's another story.
>>140885925
>Implying this thread doesn't help me to understand some sentence structure.
>>140877788
2 GROUPS ENTER
2 GROUP LEAVES
>>140886104
Real talk: /a/ is a terribly inefficient place for you to do that. You're better off finding some other more specialized communities that's dedicated for this kind of thing.
Again, the key word isn't 'can't', it's 'inefficient'.
>>140877708
>someone is willing to bother doing my unpaid job in my place
I'd be so fucking happy.
>>140885781
It doesn't involve chinese students studding in murica who translating japaese manga/LN/WN from chinese translations.
Learning Japanese is like learning any other language, time and dedication are needed.
Don't listen to ultraweebs who tell you that you'll need 15 years to master the way of the nip-tongue, these are the same people who fill hammer on about japanese steeru foderud 1000 time.
Conversely don't listen to the faggot who, in an attempt to convince themselves, tell you that you can learn Japanese by watching anime at least an hour a day.
Sit yo ass down and busy yourself with study material of the language you want to learn, it really is that easy/hard.
I don't even get why people see it as a hard vs easy thing, I have never approached it with that mentality, I have always just considered it fun. Even if I never got to use the language, I still find the learning process fun.
kill all ESLs
>>140885548
You're now aware that every japanese learning japanese language all day every day for more than decade to be able to speak/write properly.
>>140882268
M-MUH DIBS bullshit is the reason all webtoons are translated by the same 2 groups, one of which is beyond mere incompetence. It's also why 90% of modern manga releases are either viz dumps or hyper-liberal translations. If it weren't for M-MUH DIBS we would have actual good, old-style scans, and subs would still exist. M-MUH DIBS is fucking disgusting.
>>140886176
I don't see any post which implied anything about studying in America. Following the trail of conversation, >>140885368 just said bad LN TLs based of CN to EN.
Prozess used to pull shit like this every other month. Remember when he ordered his readers to argue with some kid on the Mangafox forum or else he'd stop translating?
>>140885524
Well I suppose it depends on your native language as well.
Grammatically, Japanese is pretty straightforward. Pronunciation isn't hard either.
I've known people who've been living here for over 10 years but still can't quite say "schild en vriend" right.
And you have a point that we have words for every goddamn thing under the sun.
The only thing that keeps biting me in the ass is Kanji. No matter how much I study, there's just too damn many of them. Also, they arr rook same.
I went to Japan a couple weeks back and even though I could manage basic conversations, I was really struggling since I could hardly read anything.
Even if you have knowledge of vocabulary and grammar, if you can't read shit then you're still fucked.
>>140886189
Not everyone is actually a literal NEET so not everyone has the leisure to consider this fun instead of a waste of time.
>>140886260
>>140882300
They used to be really good around about the time they were scanlating Nozoki Ana.
>>140877638
>Instantly release 10 chapters they holding for donation money
Based as fuck miso
>>140886277
Nobody said you have to be a NEET with plenty of time to kill.
It's all about being disciplined. Even if you can only spare 30 min a day, if you can maintain it for a year and so on, it's a good solid progress. Conversely, you can be a NEET and learn nothing after 5+ years because you're busy shitposting on /a/ 24/7.
>>140886373
You need to be a NEET to enjoy it. This is a fact. You don't need to enjoy it to do it.
>>140882367
>working 3-5 hours on it for 4 months
>skip sleep to get releases out
>admit all he's getting for his work is contempt
>unpaid
This guy just needs to get his priorities straight.
At least he figured that people wouldn't use his translations if he doesn't post them.
>>140886277
What a lame excuse. I set aside 60 minutes of my day to learn a language. I consider those 60 minutes fun. I would consider it fun if I only did 10 minutes a day. Your mentality towards learning seems to be straight up fucked if you think it is a waste of time.
>>140886274
Kanji are completely unnecessary for spoken Japanese, so obtaining fluency in it first makes learning kanji massively easier. The best way to do this is via radio dramas and audiobooks since they tend to use more varied vocab than anime and you don't have to pay attention to visuals. Plus it's the easiest way to learn how the pitch accent in Japanese works.
Books and manga written in kana are also an option though they're aimed at schoolkids and have a basic vocab level.
>>140885454
In loving memory of "Souda" Hiromi.
RIP in peace
>>140886412
>I need to be a neet to enjoy learning something.
kek, must be a citizen of the US of A.
>>140886412
>This is a fact.
No, that is your opinion. People who enjoy learning things do exist, you know? You can work full time and still enjoy it. It's all to do with the mindset. You just won't agree with it since from your choice of words, it's obvious it's not your kind of thing. And there's nothing wrong with that, since it's life. But don't you dare have the audacity to claim it as a fact because again, preferences exist.
Good God, my sides.
Chapter 13 with a gratuitous TL note about miso soup tasting terrible when?
>>140886458
Fuck off, NEET. You have no clue what you're saying. I bet you drink from your pissbottles like the retard you are. I bet you don't even know japanese at all either.
>>140886412
Are you fucking kidding me? How shit is your life that you can't even conceive the idea that people can learn things because it's fun?
>>140886546
ちゅうぱめえるぱろがと
>>140886546
A non-neet having a literal temper tantrum on a Cambodian stick figure holiday camp.
Why am I finding this hard to believe.
>>140886412
I enjoy learning latin because I can add "cum" everywhere to make everything sound lewd you can find enjoyment in learning any language as long you actually try.
>>140886227
>ayy lmao
>>140886412
What a sad person.
>>140886583
wwwww
何それこの電波（っっっw
>>140882367
>They used my translation without permission
Well, it sure is good you asked the authors permission befo... Oh.
>>140886681
The author did not provide a translation.
>>140886524
Hahaha, Miso Soup is based as fuck.
ctrl+f daiz
1 result
/a/...
>>140886814
>daiz
>manga
>>140877638
I just want them to put out Smokin' Parade 06
>>140886842
>daiz
>not sticking his bald head into every damn thing
Have you been living under a rock?
>>140886891
who cares, baldy is not a scanlator
>>140886891
>Arche showing up just to undermine kami
Never change
>>140886928
What part of 'sticking his bald head into every damn thing' do you not get?
> not a scanlator
So fucking what? Sure as hell didn't stop him from pushing for his manga filename standardization.
>friendly reminder real scanlators look like this
>>140886891
>advertising "cdisplay in the browser"
Daiz is such a shitty nigger. I'm glad he's not around anymore.
>>140886992
To be honest, standardized filenames are a good thing and make finding stuff faster.
>>140887024
sup baldy
>>140886928
You're right. He's part of the Official Distribution Team of Fakku, not like all the scanlator plebs who do it For Free.
>>140887024
Yeah, and then sending DMCA takedowns.
>>140887003
Looks rad as fuck desu.
Would read manga from/10.
Did anyone here ever donate to scanlator?
>>140887003
I wish.
>>140887156
>paying someone for work that would get done anyway
No
>>140887156
http://egscans.com/
>>140887181
He's a proof reader though
>>140886631
You should enjoy learning Latin comparatively because Indo-European philology is fun, full of well-researched literature and an easily accessible science.
>>140887323
Proofreading is an important part of scanlation!
It's not editing or translation, but without proofreading you end up with horribly mangled shit like the Nozaki-kun TL people were posting earlier.
>Some passionate guy started translating 4 chapters daily
>Actual scanlator group gets offended at him because they started that manga first
>He says fine, starts translating something else by that author
>Translations go back to average one every 2 weeks
eat shit
>>140887279
Over how long again?
>>140887415
Butt what if that's what it literally says?
>>140887024
I'm inclined to agree.
Having said that, Ttle, Chapter and Group are all that are needed. Volume should only be a folder issue for redistributions, not part of each individual chapter's file name.
>>140887415
You just need to have competent translator to begin with. Also, most "proofreaders" doesn't even understand what they supposed to do.
>>140887480
>how long
one month
>>140887358
Any good reading material you recommend? The stuff about proto-language and Sanskrit is pretty interesting.
>>140887415
>Nozaki-kun
Proofreading is the least of the problem. The person simply can't doesn't know japanese. No amount of proofreading isn't going to change anything for the better because the translations are completely wrong. Unless the proofreader actually knows Japanese, in which case he might as well kick out the translator and do it himself.
>>140887489
If chapters are from tank, then I need to know from which volumes those chapters.
>>140887539
>person simply can't doesn't know japanese
>No amount of proofreading isn't going to change anything for the better
what even is this post?!?
>>140887535
Don Ringe's stuff is what I'd recommend to anyone wanting to get into IE studies, and if you want cultural interpretations J.P. Mallory's work (especially the encyclopedia) is standard. Never read from just one author and never listen to archeologists who don't have any training in ling and don't admit to consulting with a linguist.
>>140887539
I hope you were intentionally trying to make a joke about proofreading here.
>>140886274
The only way to properly learn kanji is the same way native moons learn them: WRITE EACH ONE HUNDREDS OF TIMES
Long ago I made the decision to not learn to write kanji (because input systems), and I think it was the right decision, but I stalled once I hit about the 6th grade. They just start looking too alike at that point. If I had been writing them HUNDREDS OF TIMES, I might be better able to recognize the differences.
>>140882741
It would have to at least follow basic english rules, which this does not. The typesetting is also awful
>>140877638
よく知らんけど著作権侵害で全部通報しとくか
>>140887156
Most people who seek for scanlations/fansubs are people who either don't have money or too jew to pay for stuff they consume to begin with, much less donating to others.Fun fact from personal experience: after months of work all I've got in donations is $5. Needles to say I'm myself never donated since I don't have money to spare. I probably will drop everything soon and dedicate my free time to lean japanese instead; then just play games and read raws for my own amusement.
>>140884328
You have different stadnards.
Perhaps i should have said 2k is a great starting level, but not by any means a final goal. you can converse with people with them not thinking you're a lunatic most of the time(which is what the original anon meant, i think). Now, you'll be able to learn faster by talking with the natives and those 2k will soon turn into 4k.
>>140887721
I stuttered!
I would only be upset if the other translation and editing is clearly inferior, considering i mostly do these for myself.
If the editing and translation is GTO or CGR tier it distracts me too much from fapping
>>140886992
>pushing
The idea for the scheme was born out of my own frustration at a problem that most certainly exists, which is scanlators not being able to name their files for shit. I started devising the scheme as a result of that and shared the results with the world as a way to show how it could be done. Any actual adoption of the scheme was always a "would be nice" kind of thing.
Nicely enough some uploaders at madokami have actually picked the scheme up because what do you know, it works. There's also been some minor improvements to it as of late as a result of that and the scheme itself now lives here:
https://github.com/Daiz/manga-naming-scheme
>>140887838
You should have a big fucking "DONATE TO PATREON" credits page where you say bullshit like "the more money I get, the more shit I can translate" and offer a 5 dollar raffle where one lucky winner a month gets something of their choice translated.
>>140887890
>getting married at 18
>>140887893
Stealth-summoning complete.
>>140887893
召喚成功
>>140887893
What a fucking retarded system. 5 lines in and I'm already puking over your idiocy.
>>140887893
Do the carpets match the drapes?
>>140887838
which is why you should scanlate for request.
