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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true
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>>140707110
Make 桜ちゃん proud...
お腹ペコペコ おにいちゃん
どんな食い物が来るんだろう
外人の肉で作ったベーコンが食べたい
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I
Reminder to report OP for ban evading
>>140743876
reminder to report ^^^^^^^ this guy for thread shittin
おにいちゃんってＢ型でしょ？
What's the best IME for the Linux machines?
How long will it take until my anglo mind comprehends こと nominalization
>>140744619
Pic related is from the previous version of the guide (new guide is shit).
>>140744726
Not very long hopefully, any language I know doesn't have anything similar but it didn't take me a very long time to get used to it.
This thread was made first therefore it should remain.
>>140744619
mozc-ut with the ibus engine module.
AUR packages:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mozc-ut/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ibus-mozc-ut/
Info and configuration:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc#Variants_on_AUR
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc#mozc-ut
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc#Configuration
For autostarting the ibus engine module:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus#Initial_setup
You can of course use regular mozc if you don't care about the ut dictionary (the ut version of mozc takes a long time to build):
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mozc/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ibus-mozc/
>>140745814
ill just post wherever i feel like at any given time and leave it up to god to decide
>>140745866
Thanks, I'm setting it up now.
>>140745288
>new guide has been in open suggestion mode for almost half a year now, how about actually making worthwhile suggestions there instead of just whining about it
It doesn't need any suggestions because the old guide served its purpose and didn't need to be changed. The only "suggestion" I have is to fuck the newer guide off and bring back the old one. My personal solution has been to suggest the previous version of the guide whenever someone is in need of it. I'd never suggest the current version of the guide because it is like the previous version, only gutted and has irrelevant opinionated shit added in by the egotistical brat who in in control of the current version.
>>140745947
Bear in mind that the default keymap will be kind of fucked up since it's intended for a Japanese keyboard which has special keys for switching between hiragana, katakana, etc. (see pic)
I switched the Japanese keys to stuff like CTRL+1, but you can do it however you prefer.
>Grabbed an anki deck and started RTK
>250 kanji in
>Realize that the book specifies to study by looking at the keyword and drawing the kanji from memory
>All the anki decks put the kanji on the front, so I learned from kanji to keyword
What do? Is this a terrible way to learn the characters?
>>140746157
Do you type using the kana layout with Japanese or do you use QWERTY?
>>140746246
no one uses kana layout anymore except old ppl age 55+
>>140746239
>All the anki decks put the kanji on the front
So change the card layout and put it on the back, anon.
>>140746264
They aren't required to type like that in offices or anything?
>>140746302
>They aren't required to type like that in offices or anything?
How would you even enforce something like that?
>>140746302
>So change the card layout and put it on the back, anon.
Well damn, it was easy. I had to change one word and I got the keyword on the front. Thanks
>>140746157
>I switched the Japanese keys to stuff like CTRL+1, but you can do it however you prefer.
Specifically, I only changed the keys for switching between hiragana and katakana. For hiragana, I use CTRL+1 and for katakana I use CTRL+2. I didn't bother changing any of the others since whenever I want to switch to Latin characters I just SUPER+SPACE to switch back to my English keymap.
Make sure you add both whatever your native keyboard layout is as well as "Japanese-Mozc" to your IBus preferences (right click the IBus icon and select "preferences").
>>140746246
QWERTY. Just spell the sound of the character you want to write. To get the ん character, then you need to hit the "n" key twice.
>>140746302
all that matters is getting the job done dude
kana layout does reduce keystrokes so its worthwhile if you type a lot as part of your job
>>140746376
Company policy? I don't know, I've worked in places where people blindly follow the most inane shit for no reason other than that is the way they have been instructed to do something.
>>140746406
Do you have any experience using the kana setup like they have on mobile phones in Japan? I tried that out for a week or so ages ago and it drove me crazy.
>>140746442
No, I've only ever used the QWERTY layout. I don't type in Japanese often enough/long enough to make learning a new keyboard layout worthwhile.
>>140746525
Oh okay then. I kind of assumed you were in Japan and used Japanese for daily communication.
Nice looking keyboard, though.
>>140746561
i prefer keyboards with anime girls painted onto them
>>140746674
I have enough dry sperm on my keyboard as it is without that.
>>140746561
That's not my keyboard in the picture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_input_methods
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SideWinder_X4_Keyboard_Japanese.jpg
>>140746709
Well shit, there you go. My mistake.
![[Mezashite] Gokukoku no Brynhildr - 06 [C5206EAD].mkv_snapshot_05.26_[2014.05.13_17.52.49].png](https://i.imgur.com/yee88Ay.jpg "[Mezashite] Gokukoku no Brynhildr - 06 [C5206EAD].mkv_snapshot_05.26_[2014.05.13_17.52.49].png")
Is it okay for me to go through grammar learning without memorizing each of the kanji/vocab introduced every section? Should I be mainly focusing on the grammar itself?
>>140746778
No worries.
>>140746789
its a good idea to learn new vocab that comes along with the grammar units or whatever so yeah id rec learning them
dont be in a rush dude
>>140746789
Memorize the vocab. The kanji can wait, learning every new kanji you see is futile at the beginning.
>>140746822
>>140746839
How do you memorize the vocab without knowing the kanji? Do you mean just by how you'd read it out loud?
>>140746789
It is easier to understand the concept when you understand each part in the example sentences. There is less overhead when it comes to memorisation.
>>140746886
look at the word > think about the word > say the word aloud or in your head > think about the word some more > kinda know the word
just like anything else dude
>>140746951
Spend ages trying to figure out word only to end of realising it is a name> rage quit Japanese entirely and go back to masturbating to translated porn while mocking EOPs online.
>>140747271
no dude no dont do that
you can do this its easy
wubba lubba dub dub!!!
lmao xDDDD
>>140747326
I did that for years but decided to get over myself and actually learn Japanese. It's been going pretty good but I now spend a lot less time masturbating.
Fuck you 出来ないちゃん
>>140747430
Fuck the ankifu meh....
Welp, dekinai chan fuck you I can learn Japanese わたしわミームmeh...
>>140746789
Yes, it's perfectly fine. Try to pick up the vocab, but don't go out of your way to memorise it. Tae Kim and Genki both use way too many new words for a beginner. Rikaisama is your friend.
Once you've done Tae Kim or Genki, I'd recommend getting one of the Core decks from the CoR and doing it alongside the DOJG deck (suspend either the recognition cards or the cloze cards in the DOJG deck - I recommend suspending the recognition cards).
Once you get to the end of the DOJG deck, you can then drop Core and start mining vocabulary. If you did the DOJG deck at a pace of 5 cards a day, and the Core deck at a pace of 20 cards a day, you should know 2500 words and probably somewhere around 1000 kanji which will help a lot when you start reading.
>>140747430
thats right dude get that ビッチ and show her whats really 良い with your ちんこ
>>140747430
がんばれ！
>>140747503
>Tae Kim and Genki both use way too many new words for a beginner. Rikaisama is your friend.
Yeah I got to the point where it feels like so much vocab is just being dumped in my face all of a sudden. I felt like using rikaikun was cheating and that I should try my best to actually memorize everything. Guess I should give myself more leeway.
>>140747540
うんその調子
いいぞ
>>140746886
Tae Kim talks about that in this blog post:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2008/01/31/final-thoughts-on-remembering-the-kanji/
>Before I talk about the book, I think it’s worthwhile to discuss how I learned kanji in order to have an alternative method to compare against. I may have mentioned this before but I never studied kanji; I studied the words that are made from kanji. For instance, I learned 「力」 as 「ちから」 but never as 「リョク」 or 「リキ」. I only learned the other on-yomi when I learned words like 「努力」 and 「怪力」. The key to learning these words is, of course, reading. Therefore, it’s very important to find reading material that is interesting and appropriate for your level, something that is a lot harder than it should be.
This is the method which most people in these threads use, I believe.
>>140747626
Thanks for that. So it basically becomes getting used to the different readings as you get more experienced and exposed to the different words out there.
>>140747626
>This is the method which most people in these threads use, I believe.
Doubt it. While Kim has a decent grammar guide, I wouldn't put any stock on his opinions on kanji. We have had a few anons come through who have learned Japanese to a high level who did entirely the opposite of the likes of which is mentioned.
>>140747603
>I felt like using rikaikun was cheating and that I should try my best to actually memorize everything.
The purpose of a grammar guide, at the end of the day, is to teach you grammar. Both Tae Kim's guide and the Genki textbook have seriously unrealistic expectations of how many new words a beginner can pick up and be comfortable with in the space of a day.
So long as you're picking up the grammatical principles, that's the important thing. Get through whatever grammar guide you're using, then worry about learning vocab.
>>140747759
Basically. The easiest way to learn readings is by learning words which use them since it gives your brain a meaningful context for the sounds. The more words you learn with a particular reading, the more that reading will be cemented into your memory.
>>140747769
What method do you advocate? RTK/mnemonics?
In Jav the girl says いっぱい a lot when touching the dick. Does this mean like full of blood or rock hard?
>>140743833
>>140743858
stop talking to yourself,autist
>>140747912
i dont think thats actually the case were having the real japanese discussions
So I just started but I'm a bit confused already. Katakana are like uppercase hiragana, right?
>>140748051
Katakana is for loan words.
Japanese is shit by the way. What a waste of time.
>>140748051
No, it's just a parallel syllabary, how can katakana be uppercase hiragana if it's so different?
>>140747626
Personally, I tried this the first time I learned Japanese years ago, and never got too far. Recently though I started again and have been trying to learn the kanji/readings at more or less the same time that I learn the words that use those kanji, and I find it is MUCH easier to remember them this way. I wouldn't suggest putting a lot of time into learning ONLY kanji, since that will be tedious and not very useful for a long time, but learning them alongside the words that use them is probably the most beneficial.
>>140748118
Uppercase letters don't have to look like their lowercase variant... Take g/G, a/A, or h/H for example.
>>140748112
i can tell youre serious and not just making a troll post and all i can say to you is yes i agree
i dont know what some of these kids problems are trying to learn japanese for third rate picture books
>>140748132
To clarify what I mean is like, learn a batch of kanji, then learn a big batch of words using only those kanji, learn more kanji, then learn more vocab using your now larger base of kanji, etc. I find everything sticks in your mind much better this way and feels more intuitive than if you just tried to memorize words without putting any thought into the individual kanji. I definitely wouldn't recommend grinding kanji alone in a huge block before even starting vocab though, since for one that's kind of overkill and also by doing this you put way too much time between learning the kanji and applying it to actual words/sentences so it's not likely to stick as well.
>>140748051
Katakana are primarily used for loan words and at times you'll see the katakana over hiragana if it's being emphasized I believe.
can anyone translate this for me?
>DWの時計は流行る前から持ってたのに今みんなしてる
Is the translation: "Everyone now has a DW watch since it came into fashion."
>>140748165
They still look very similar unlike hiragana and katakana and one is clearly larger than the other so it's a pretty stupid comparison.
>>140748318
no hes saying hes actually the trendy one and now everyones biting on his shit by buying the same jacob watch
>>140746157
あたしがＩＭＥせんせいでつかってるキーは４つだよ
変換とスペースキーは同じだよ
英数キーはつかわないよ
ちょっと英数でうつときは
ひらがなを打ってＦ９キーを押すと英数だよ
>>140748530
ありがとう anon
that cheeky japanese basterd
>>140749188
at least write something reasonable if youre gonna bump dude
>>140747877
RTK/mnemonics, learning readings, etc. whatever works. Adding kanji study to the rest of your study regime helps overall and the time investment is relatively short overall in that by the time you have learned a few thousand kanji, you will have learned thousands more words and still have a handful of years to go in terms of vocab before it starts to become comfortable in some ways similar to your native/dominant language.
I am of the opinion that studying kanji alongside studying vocabulary is just as important as studying grammar alongside reading.
>>140749245
俺はチャイナマン
>>140749339
i dont get it
oh is this to show you dont have a 4chan pass
youre not learning japanese if youre doin captchas or whatever
>>140749277
just dont forget production
you gotta be able to express yourself and through doing so your brain connects all the dots that are the study points in the quoted post
>>140749476
why would they be doing that to show they have a 4chan pass they are anonymous dumbo
>>140749627
did you really have to call me a dumbo dude
also i have no idea what youre on about m80
>>140749560
>just dont forget production
That comes as a part of using the language. There are ways to structure aspects of it, such as speaking practice, etc. but it is hard to replicate in a manner of isolated study that competes with the value of interacting with actual people, be it textually or spoken/in-person.
It is sort of a given that people want to use something they have learned, regardless of what anons may say to the contrary.
>>140749476
>i dont get it
It's so show how pointless the captcha is in a comical fashion, anon. Selecting every box with those signs still resulted in an incorrect selection.
>oh is this to show you dont have a 4chan pass
What sort of fucking idiot pays for the ability to post anonymously on an image board when we can already do that?
>>140749711
well i got high off of my vape so thats probably why but im pretty sure people dont brag about not having reddit gold especially if their anonymous
>>140749765
they're*
>>140749789
stop
>there are still people other than the autist posting here
>>140749809
who is the autist? can you point out which posts were made by the autist?
>>140749796
Start using English correctly.
>>140749759
heres some simple math for you
the time i would waste on captchas would cost me way more than what a pass costs in a year
the math is so simple this post doesnt even need numbers
>>140749809
im gonna need you to keep your bad vibes at the door dude
theres another party going on in another thread if you want to curb your autism there and come back later
>>140749809
Why the fuck should anyone here care about the fact a fucking OP image upsets you? The only autist here, is you.
>>140749825
>can you point out which posts were made by the autist?
Here >>140749869
>>140749809
There's a special thread for autists like you that care about images so much, you can go there if you don't like something.
>>140749901
to this i respond http://loopthetube.com/#TOB-TKNVbJA&start=457.7&end=458.9
>>140749901
is that jamal?
>>140749919
yea that one is me actually
ご褒美をどうぞ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv-CX-lpJbw
>>140749959
so you are jamal? where you from jamal what's your story?
>>140749980
i aint into that kinda talk
im just hangin out cause its fun sometimes
i might even be able to think about things i ordinarily would not as a result
lately ive been hookin my boys up with some shit to bump on their journey to wherever it is they are going
keep chillin keep havin fun keep workin towards your dreams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGoMUWz5rE
>>140750082
sounds like you've achieved contentedness, congrats jamal.
whats ur favorite anime jamal
>>140750125
what does it matter it sucks ass lmao
>>140750125
Enjoy the process and you'll learn the language...
>>140750160
if you mean that i feel bad for you jamal there are good anime out there
>>140750182
no i mean everyones favorite anime sucks
its just a fact of life
ill give you one that is probably up there as one of my all time favesまほらば heartful days
>>140750208
>no i mean every anime sucks
Corrected your typos
>>140750232
i mean yeah i guess im not sure if that wasnt implied already but if it wasnt i guess you got it dude
>>140743833
Doing reviews takes ages when you constantly tab out and do other shit. Disconnect before reviewing.
>>140750593
Huh? Really? Wouldn't have ever thought about that without your post.
>>140750631
It should have taken around 25 minutes less than that.
>>140750082
This reminds me of リップスライム.
>>140750661
同じ時代からラッパー
>>140750705
Huh, wasn't aware of that. The more you know.
I don't mind Japanese pop-rap/hip-hop. Can't stand the shit here in Australia and in America.
>>140750739
That's because it's not really music here anymore. When anything becomes popular enough it all boils down to the same basic shit: Money, fame, sex.
That's all it's about now, from both the consumer and producer standpoint. I guess older rap is probably pretty decent, but I don't personally care about the genre.
>>140750874
>That's all it's about now
That's what is used to be about as well.
Is this a grammatically sound sentence?
私は今日日本語の本を買います
Or do I need a に particle after 今日?
我は最高な民族浄化者である。
>>140751359
i mean you can say that if you want the grammar police isnt gonna come take you away
>>140751612
He didn't ask if he can say that, he asked if it was correct. If you don't know, do not respond.
>>140751359
I've thought about it a little longer and since 今日 isn't a specific time に isn't really appropriate, right?
今日は日本語の本を買います。
Would this be a neater way of putting it?
>>140751655
>Would this be a neater way of putting it?
Yes, just remove the ます and you'll be cool and have my approval.
>>140751624
i said the grammar police wasnt going to take him away why dont you put 2 and 2 together and go fork yourself!!!
plus i dont see you answering him so you aint got no right dude none dont even try to fuck with me kid i eat nerds like you for
>>140751909
Shut up retard.
>>140751917
breakfast
