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>3 seconds of intrigue after 22 minutes of boring slog
Why
To soften you up before all the suffering
>>140733019
>>3 seconds of intrigue after 22 minutes of boring slog
Welcome to every anime.
>>140733019
So that when all the blatant edgy shit happens it's as jarring as possible. There going for shitty tone shifts just like akame ga kill did, and we all know what happened their.
And honestly the two shows are basically the same except this one has a broken plot device.
>>140734036
Don't forget the MC in akame ga kill had an actual end game goal besides trying to get his dick wet.
Like really the mc of re:zero has no end goal or motivations besides trying to fuck. Like the plot is let's kill him in the edgiest way possible to amazes all the 12 year olds.
>>140733271
No welcome to actual animes. Anime was a mistake
>>140734127
Finally someone gets it
I'm honestly tired of seeing so much re : zero threads with every mangafags being like "wow suffering hard to read manga watch out!!"
Like seriously guys,it's exactly like DeadTube,it's just based on shock factor.
That's just for underage who don't care about the story itself and only like blood and suffering because it make them feels mature.
>watch 30494th anime based on LN about mc gettig into fantasy world.
>expect something good
OP, are you retarded?
>>140734259
I like Re:Zero better than DeadTube. I think that the story is way better than lol rotten.com with rewards. Albeit, the story line for Re:Zero isn't that original as well, but it is a new take on an over saturated idea.
>>140734269
Konosuba was good though
It's just that most LN shinsekai have for only purpose to self-insert,like Sao or Re : Zero
>>140733019
is this 3d model? fucking disgusting
>>140734349
I've only seen the anime and i dropped it after the third episode,MC is too annoying,the story make no sense,the pacing is fucked,etc
Maybe i'll read the manga,apparently some people say that it's better but i still have too many problems with re : zero itself
>>140734127
Thanks! There are the words I wanted.
The only thing I had was "Steins:Gate did it better because at least the protagonist had a goal:Kyoma wanted to rescue his childhood friend from death"
>>140734259
>Thanks! These are the words I wanted.
>The only thing I had was "Steins:Gate did it better because at least the protagonist had a goal
>>140734496
Hope a mod delete this, I unintetionally spoiled the show because I suck as spoiler tags
>>140734445
I agree that the pacing was very bad in the first episode even with a 2-parts. However, my main concern with the idea is that the character seems too naive? I know that you can't generally critique a story, but shouldn't he feel more emotions for dying constantly and let alone be in a new world?
The MC from DeadTube is just as bad if not worse for getting a boner for every guro thing that is happening.
>>140733019
>1 week wait after cliffhangers
Why is this allowed?
>>140734359
Konosuba is a lot worse than this though.
>>140734746
> shouldn't he feel more emotions for dying constantly and let alone be in a new world
He does anon. It's expected to happen and the author delivers on that aspect. In fact, you can see that he feels something when Emilia makes a scene for him calling her Satella after his first death.
>>140734826
Konosuba doesn't takes itself seriously
This takes himself too seriously without really beign a reason too. Psychological torture porn isn't a valid reason.
>>140734862
Please don't spoil anything from me. I really hate when LN fags ruin shit, but I understand that he does commit suicide at some point. Does he just say fuck it at all like Bill Murray from Groundhog day?
>>140734904
This
>>140733019
Is this any good? He's a qt
>>140734921
As far as I know, the suicide was a way to reload the previous save file, if you know what I mean.
>>140734968
Yes. Its actually really good.
>>140734968
Go for three episode rule and be disappointed like almost everyone.
Unless you're that guy who likes a self insert mc in an edgy show with badly written characters and a plot that make no sense.
>>140734968
Also episode 1 is a 2 parter shoved. So make you sure you watch Part A and Part B of episode 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTXPUF4Oz4
Why is this song not the national anthem of this thing?
>>140733019
This episode was slow but it's still a fun series. You fucks are never happy.
>>140734921
>don't spoil shit for me
>spoils the ending to another series
what the fuck is this shit?
and why the fuck does /a/ care about spoilers now of all times?
the source material is out there if you really want to see it unspoiled and in the best form
although I realize this is just a shitposting thread of people who haven't read the LN and barely follow the show trying to knock down something that's not in their preferred genre
>>140734968
>>140735234
No,we're not the problem.
The anime community is content with okay or bad shows just because they're well animated,if you have a bad taste,good for you,you can enjoy every anime that japan made,but don't start saying that we're never happy just because we don't like every shitty shinsekia anime.
>>140735037
>>140735134
Eh I'll give it a shot anyways but with lowish expectations
>>140735302
>although I realize this is just a shitposting thread of people who haven't read the LN and barely follow the show trying to knock down something that's not in their preferred genre
You are so butthurt because we speak the truth anon. No ammount of "omg he's saying shit of my show therefore he's shitposting" can save you.
Why is there always so much shit posting in these threads
>>140735383
With that way of thinking just about every anime is shit, if you want the only the greatest and more complex of plots just read a book, don't watch anime.
>>140735572
Because its /a/ and no one can like anything without some anon sperging about how much of a [Insert Negative Word Here] you are for liking it.
>>140735445
it's blatantly obvious to see anon, you drop buzzwords like edgy, parrot other people's arguments, and reduce a show down to the most absurdly simple description you possibly can in an effort to attack it, not to have any kind of decent discussion
>but it's the truth
how is it the truth, you reduce the show to a form somehow even simpler and less representative of it than even the MAL description and assume that this is the entire show
it makes it glaringly obvious that you have not read the source material even a little, barely watch the show if at all, just to talk shit about it, and become incredibly hostile and defensive the minute someone calls you out on it
it's just plain and simple you being a troll and trying to shitpost about a show you don't like because it doesn't fit your tastes
whatever then, go watch a different show if you don't like this one and let us discuss it without you
>>140735621
Let me see
FMA:B
NHK
GitS
Evangelion
Tatami Galaxy
Why, if the anime has delivered such good shows, should we be okay with mediocre to bad shows? It doesn't have to be perfect, but at least it has to make sense if the show takes itself seriously.
It is easier if the anime doesn't takes itself seriously.
>>140733019
坊やだからさ
>>140734904
Other than the deaths this is actually even less subtle about not taking itself seriously. Plus, at least the main character is likeable
>>140735772
>FMA
>Evangelion
>Tatami Galaxy
this has to be bait right?
or is it a butthurt fujoshi trying to pass judgement on a LN adaptation because it's not 2deep4u?
>>140735772
I know but then again that kind of anime don't appear often so i don't understand why do you still watch anime.
You're right, you don't have to put up with anything so why do you?
Where can I find LN synopsis or spoilers?
>>140736008
>>140735884
Not him but i agree with what he's saying.
It's not that I only watch the best shows,it's just that I avoid the bad ones,especially when they have so many problems and still take themselves seriously
>>140736112
then why are you in here discussing this show then?
if you hate it that much, then go start an Eva thread or something
why stick yourself in a thread for a series you hate ? why force yourself to deal with a show you hate when you don't have to?
Is there any fucking place to read the translated WN/LN? Every site stops or craps out after the first goddamn novel (where it's already passed in the series) and it's pissing me off.
>>140735736
>drop buzzwords like edgy, parrot other people's arguments, and reduce a show down to the most absurdly simple description you possibly can in an effort to attack it, not to have any kind of decent discussion
Why can I have a decent discussion if you, to start with, assume that I do such thing, when you don't even have proof.
>you reduce the show to a form somehow even simpler and less representative of it than even the MAL description and assume that this is the entire show
it makes it glaringly obvious that you have not read the source material even a little
But I have proof. The manga at the moment is on ch14 on mangafox, I have the wn site which although I can't read, I can make an idea out of it an although there are false spoilers in your circlejerk threads, I still check them. I have an idea where everything is going, which I really don't need in the beginning since the premise already spells out sadism (death>time travel).
The thing is, the guys who defend the show also can't say more than "Muh suffering" or "But he develops, he really does, I swear", when it's just him dying and figuring out things, while he suffers, nothing that any other person would do in his situation.
>become incredibly hostile and defensive the minute someone calls you out on it
Stop projecting
>>140735884
Mobile Suit Gundam: Thunderbolt came out during last week. It may be publicity for the manga, but is amazing. Also, JoJo. Also, Joker Game. Also, Trigger shows. Also, Kabaneri. Also, although it is an ecchi and it has trouble, I'm enjoying Netoge
>>140735862
>Fujoshi
Nice try
>>140736178
Not him, but I like to discuss things.
This anime would be pretty good if they actually wrote the MC to be an actual hikki NEET. Instead, we get a guy who is instantly able to socialize extremely well and apparently is strong enough to take a group of 3 people out because he "worked out" at home with no weights.
On top of this, they slapped on a super strong sense of justice to his character like every other generic MC.
>>140736234
>This anime would be pretty good if they actually wrote the MC to be an actual hikki NEET. Instead, we get a guy who is instantly able to socialize extremely well and apparently is strong enough to take a group of 3 people out because he "worked out" at home with no weights
This also gets retconned later on,with him beign the shadow of his perfect dad. It's done to get pity out of the MC. Nothing different of what SAO does with Kirito getting PSTD on the Gun Gale arc
>>140736234
>we get a guy who is instantly able to socialize extremely well
Fucking everyone calls him weird
We get it, you're a basement dweller who can't even do as much as speak to other people, but get your head out of your ass.
>>140736225
>not him
sure thing kiddo
>I like to discuss things
but why? why do you feel the need to come in and talk shit about what other people are enjoying?
is your self-esteem really that low that you need to talk shit about people genuinely enjoying something for what it is even though it's not some artsy show?
seriously, go talk in another thread, if you don't like this one and want to drop it then good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out
but don't come in and try to cause a fight and aggressively start insulting something people genuinely like just because it doesn't cater to your tastes
there are a huge number of threads on this board you can go discuss whatever "deep" anime you want in one of those threads or even make one if you want to discuss one
so why come into a thread for a show you know you hate and you know people like to proclaim yourself superior for some stupid artificial reasons and trash what they like?
there's no reason, so just go
>>140736112
Me too actually, back in the day i would watch almost the whole season worth of 30+ anime and now even on the best of seasons (this is a pretty good one) i watch around 15 because of that same thing, i don't have to watch something i don't like. I started Endride and i dropped it hard on the first EP and i've never ever not even once went to the general to bitch about it, why? Because i don't give a damn about it that's why.
>>140736225
>enjoying
That's the keyword, let's not forget anime is television and tv is supposed to be about fun not Lovecraft/Stephen King masterpieces all the time. Granted sometimes great anime come around and that's good but be aware of the fact that this is not common and if all you can >enjoy is masterful Tolkien storytelling plots then anime is not for you.
>>140734602
Why cares? Steins gate was literally years ago, people had plenty of time to play the VN?
>>140736459
>muh s-stop pointing the flaws of my favorite anime,go bully someone else !!
>>140736620
>I don't like thing so everyone must know that I don't like thing
>"I don't like any anime that isn't artsy Eva-like anime, I know! I'll go head to a thread with a cheap LN adaptation and tell them how much I think their show sucks even though I don't watch it, read the source, or generally care about it"
>"I don't like Black people, but I'm going to go to a black neighborhood in Chicago to tell them all how much i think they're subhuman"
>"I don't like cosplayers, but I'm going to go to /cgl/ and tell them all how much I hate them and theink they're all sluts"
that's how you sound with all of this
if you don't like thing but other people like thing, go somewhere that thing isn't
if you don't like this show and think it's garbage, then drop it and go talk about whatever artsy shit you like somewhere else
>>140736785
Indeed, I don't go to others threads to tell them cute girls doing cute things animes are bottom tier either
>>140734036
>There going for shitty tone shifts just like akame ga kill did
DROPPED.
>>140736873
I don't do that at all
you seem to be confusing me with /v/ tier shitposters like yourself
>>140736879
>>140734036
Episode 1 already clued you in on what to expect, if you still keep watching even though you hate it it's your own fault.
it's just ridiculous how all those named NEET/hikki characters acts like alpha males when dragged into fantasy world. every fucking time.
Why do people make threads for animes they hate?
I love re:zero and I'm looking forward to the mindbreak shit to start happening in the anime.
>>140737826
Because the circlejerk thread praise it as the next best thing when in reality is just Akame ga Kill: MindBreak edition
>>140737889
Oh okay, that totally justifies making a thread and spending your night talking about it.
I get it now.
What I like about shitposters is they tend to stick on their one thread. They get some form of accomplishment whenever someone pay attention to their thread and they'll do their best to reply to every post and make their shit opinion some kind of a big deal.
Then as they see the thread gets longer as they constantly reply and continue to make issue about the show, the more accomplished they will feel.
Pretty pathetic, really.
lmao
akame ga kill was 800x worse than re:zero.
>>140734259
>deadtube
thanks for the rec
>>140737826
Because they watched a review of anime on YouTube and decided to shit on a show because a "famous" guy instructed them to do that.
>>140739327
akame ga kill is a good mediocre show with great OST. re:zero is a unremarlable pile of shit.
>>140735134
>self insert
I guess Kazuma from Kaze no Stigma was also a self insert. In fact I guess every single main character in every anime ever was a self insert, thus defeating the purpose of even mentioning "self insert" in any thread about anime ever. We get an MC this season who actually isn't a self insert and actually has a proper personality and characterization and the threads get filled with buzzword spouting retarded faggots calling him a self insert when they don't even know what it means.
>>140734127
>Don't forget the MC in akame ga kill had an actual end game goal besides trying to get his dick wet.
>Like really the mc of re:zero has no end goal or motivations besides trying to fuck. Like the plot is let's kill him in the edgiest way possible to amazes all the 12 year olds.
thank you!
perfect summery of this shit. tortureporn!
>>140734921
>Please don't spoil anything from me. I really hate when LN fags ruin shit, but I understand that he does commit suicide at some point. Does he just say fuck it at all like Bill Murray from Groundhog day?
he tries to escape it a number of times. he even gets catatonic and suffers severe PTSD; there is nothing fun about any of these loops. Worse the cause for these loops won't let him go, and he has no way to stop them, the cause for these loops is also mostly responcible for the tortureporn in them. In short he's being tormented and tortured by a power outside his control; and can't stop it.
>>140741127
>I guess Kazuma from Kaze no Stigma was also a self insert. In fact I guess every single main character in every anime ever was a self insert, thus defeating the purpose of even mentioning "self insert" in any thread about anime ever. We get an MC this season who actually isn't a self insert and actually has a proper personality and characterization and the threads get filled with buzzword spouting retarded faggots calling him a self insert when they don't even know what it means.
the fact you don't think Subaru is a self insert just highlights how you need to watch other forms of media for a bit and realize what a "character" is and what a "blank slate" is.
What do we know about Subaru?
-he went to a convenience store
-he dresses like a wannabe punk
-he's a smartass
that's it. seriously. that's not a character. the fact we made it through the first arc without learning more then this about him makes him a "blank slate" which by definition is a "self insert"
Lets take Kazuma from Kaze no Stigma in contrast. We learn in ep 1 he was kicked out of his family house for sucking. We learn something tragic happened to him on his journey which redirected his life and leading him to become a contractor. We learn about his overbearing cookie cutter tsundere cousin Ayano and even his Brother. We learn he was bullied by his clan and something happened to make him Alpha as all fuck. We learn he's a skilled contractor, more skilled then the bullies who kicked him out of the clan
We learn ALL OF THIS in the first fucking episode. This is characterization 101. As the story goes on, we learn more about his past. We're introduced to more people who make up who he is; filling out more of his past, character and past actions. We learn he has a mysterious connection with the police. He even has a catharsys type moment when he crushes his own father in a dual.
>>140741566
(cont)
if you can make it through a whole arc of a story and know absolutely nothing more then a sentence or two about the MC you're dealing with a light novel protag with ZERO characterization, aka a self insert.
For example, AssWar generic MC we know at the end of the first arc he
-had a sister
-came to the city with no goal
-decides he's going to "protect what's important"
-has some seal on his powers because 'why the fuck not'
that's it. that's not a character. Thats a self insert
Remember the MC being a self insert means Little about the quality of the series. Kazuma got a lot of characterization, and even character growth, yet his series was mediocre despite featuring a very strong lead. Many Shounin Jump manga feature strong character driven stories, rarely are the MCs self inserts (though they do exist); yet the majority of those manga are not particularly good. Being a "boring" mc doesn't make him a self insert either. Onii-sama aka Tatsuya is a dull as all fuck gary stu, he also has a lot of actual characterization, and while he has no character growth (how can you improve perfection?) he's also NOT a self insert.
>>140741566
The fact that you think knowing an individual's past constitutes their "character" highlights just how much you need to watch other forms of media for a bit and realize what a "character" is and what a "blank slate" is. You can take your snide attitude and fuck off back to /lit/ or wherever it is you belong, though you probably don't belong there either because I presume the average poster on that board might be able to appreciate the fact that a character with a set personality, outlook and way of approaching problems that can be completely different to that of the reader is simply not a self insert. Learning about people's past can be interesting but it is not essential to understanding that they do in fact have a personality. It's like saying that if we didn't know that Joffrey was born of incest we wouldn't be able to appreciate the fact that he is a cunt.
>>140741834
-had a sister
-came to the city with no goal -> He was taken there, he didn't "go there"
-decides he's going to "protect what's important" -> Ok?
-has some seal on his powers because 'why the fuck not' -> You realize that there's an overarching villain/group of villains in this story that explain this as well as how he came to the city, right?
>>140741945
>The fact that you think knowing an individual's past constitutes their "character" highlights just how much you need to watch other forms of media for a bit and realize what a "character" is and what a "blank slate" is. You can take your snide attitude and fuck off back to /lit/ or wherever it is you belong, though you probably don't belong there either because I presume the average poster on that board might be able to appreciate the fact that a character with a set personality, outlook and way of approaching problems that can be completely different to that of the reader is simply not a self insert. Learning about people's past can be interesting but it is not essential to understanding that they do in fact have a personality. It's like saying that if we didn't know that Joffrey was born of incest we wouldn't be able to appreciate the fact that he is a cunt.
Joffery was given a character trait. he was a sadistic entitled brat from the moment he was introduced in both the TV and books. THAT IS A CHARACTER. even if we didn't learn anything else about him he already had more characterization from the author then most LN protags get in a whole series. And if you think NOT knowing about a character's past improves the characterization you're smoking something. Granted past history =/= character, but when it influences a character's actions, behavior and attitude it ABSOLUTELY DOES. Kazuma's past history influenced everything about his interactions with other characters. Who he was and where he came from was VERY important not just for him but for everyone else.
Very nice sounding argument but your argument is based on hyperbole and as a result is ultimately built upon a pile of shit.
>>140742027
You are strenghtening his point, anon
>>140742027
>-came to the city with no goal -> He was taken there, he didn't "go there"
not introduced or even discussed in either the LN or anime as of season 1.
again, an author retaconing his plot 6 volumes in because he needs to add a new villain does not = characterization. it = piss poor writing.
>>140742136
>Joffrey was a given character trait. He was a sadistic entitled brat from the moment he was introduced.... THAT IS A CHARACTER
>Subaru was a given character trait. He was energetic, enthusiastic and proactive from the moment he was introduced... THAT IS A CHARACTER
I never said not knowing the past of a character IMPROVES the characterization I said it wasn't NECESSARY to have a character with a past.
>>140733019
>Why
Because they skipped 90% percept of the characterization, development and foreshadowing that was supposed to happen in this episode.
>>140739396
nevermind its shit
>>140742136
>past history =/= character
Isn't that point he was trying to make?
A lack of exposition regarding Subaru's background doesn't make him a self-insert. A character can form solely through his action and interaction in the story. In Subaru's case, his character is exposed in how he deals with the unfortunate situations that he's thrust into.
Self-insert is often a retarded term anyways, considering it's natural for the viewer to identify most with the character they receive perspective from.
>>140742136
>>140742313
I will also say that depending on how the author handles it including the character's backstory can actually detract from the writing, I've seen plenty of movies/TV shows where a character has this backstory and I really don't give a shit and want to get back to the main plot. I guess when the character's past isn't pertinent to the plot it can potentially be a bad thing to elaborate on, and in this case Subaru's past is most certainly not relevant.
>>140741566
>that's it. seriously. that's not a character. the fact we made it through the first arc without learning more then this about him makes him a "blank slate" which by definition is a "self insert"
But you do find out a lot about him through the first arc. It's just that what we find out isn't related directly related to his past and more his overall personality. Whether his personality is interesting or not is doesn't matter, because we are shown that he has one when we observe how he reacts to the situation he's thrown into.
>>140741127
> I guess every single main character in every anime ever was a self insert
You're just either exaggerating only to worsen your claim, or showing your lack of experience.
> MC this season who actually isn't a self insert
Let me see, Luluco, officer from the first 2 episodes of Joker Game, to an extent Kacchan from Kiznaiver, since we can't really get to sympathize with a numb character, Bungou's MC, fucking Sakamoto, Phoenix Wright and Josuke Higashigata.
>Inb4 those are shit show
I dare you.
>>140742448
>I guess when the character's past isn't pertinent to the plot it can potentially be a bad thing to elaborate on, and in this case Subaru's past is most certainly not relevant.
Technically, Subaru's past is somewhat relevant to his character. Not to explain why he's in this situation in the first place, but why he's so proactive and social despite initially claiming to be a hikki.
>>140742492
I didn't say he was the only MC this season who isn't a self insert, your misinterpretation was probably a result of my poor phrasing but my intent was to convey that it's not a particularly common thing to have an MC who isn't a completely neutral personality overshadowed by the characters of everyone else in the story.
>You're just either exaggerating only to worsen your claim, or showing your lack of experience.
I was clearly exaggerating because the guy's complete misuse of self-insert would encompass pretty much 90% of all 'atypical' MCs, plus he hadn't at that point elaborated on why he thought he was a self insert.
Guys he is a self insert. He is presented as an "Hikkikomori", but when he gets into the world we see him kicking ass (but dying but what does it matters, he revives) and talking to bitches. Why the fuck would a hikki talk so easily to bitches and not act scared? The show aims at losers so that they feel empowered by watching a loser beign so "proactive" and "cool", so that the author can then rewrite him as a "tragic hero" that survives multiple deaths in order to survive his lamentable ordeal, making it seem like a good story because muh feels or muh suffering fetish.
Notice how he constantly uses game references and jokes. Now guess what kind of public could find those funny.
>>140742427
I don't think you should call subaru even a character. he is merely a function that purpose is to trigger wish fullfilment emotions of retarded kids which actually enjoy watching this trash.
>>140742533
Well yeah I agree with you there, that is an inconsistency that they dismissed with basically "he got fit because he needed to protect his home" or something like that. I found myself sort of forgetting about any of that as his experiences in the world he's come to seemed to become the main contribution to his personality, especially when his outward persona which he tries to keep in touch with his original bright personality as his inward feelings about everything become more and more disconnected with the way he behaves outwardly.
>>140742758
Whoa that last sentence is an abomination. Basically I was just saying that when they way he feels and the way he behaves start to become inconsistent it's at that point that his experiences in the new world outshine any possible backstory he could have as to who he is as a person.
