>Listen up, I know that Akira Toriyama has amnesia or something, because he clearly doesn't know his own series THAT well.
>But because of his not well thougth out answer, over 50% of the Dragon Ball community legit belive that Krillin is the strongest human.
>Let me ask you this, is there any any logical reason to believe that Krillin is stronger than Tien? (Even though Tien is obviously stronger)
Sorry for my not 100% perfect English >_<
Lurk more, crossboarder.
Tien stalled and caused minor damage to SEMI-PERFECT CELL!!!. How the Hell does Krillin even come close to that!
Because Humans only have 2 eyes.
>>140662920
You've got a point, maybe Akira doesn't consider Tien human...?
In the Buu Saga Yamcha told Marron that Krillin was the strongest human. That's what people base it off of. Tenshinhan is obviously stronger though.
>>140662920
And a nose.
>>140662856
Well, Tien trains with his bitch and runs away from hot blond.
Krillin has a hot blond for a bitch who can kick Tien's ass and who also trains with Krillin.
It's like math, Krillin got most out of life in DBZ.
>>140662856
>Implying Krillin or Tien are the strongest humans
>>140662856
krillin went to namek, potential unlocked, etc.
tien just used one technique
>>140663416
>Implying human
>>140663443
>Tien just used one technique
You mean the Ki-Blast?
>>140663487
>Not Kikōhō
Ugh, localization casuals, just ugh. You're cancer killing /a/.
>>140663485
Krillin fucked it and it bore his child. Android 18 is human.
>>140663520
>Kikōhō
Still a Ki-blast.
One that breaks the laws of Geometry, but still a Ki-blast.
>>140663520
I think you meant tri-beam.
>>140663520
Anyone posting in a DBZ thread is cancer.
>>140663544
>Android 18
I fucking hate you dumb Americans.
Techniques kinda distort the actual level of strength contextually, potentially. For example, Piccolo is actually very slightly weaker than Goku at the beginning of DBZ (408 versus Goku's 416), but can charge the special beam cannon to 1480. Is he "stronger" because his super slow charge-up attack capped out higher?
Krillin got a that power-up on Namek (a big deal) and Tien had to use an attack that was burning through his life force just to STALL Cell while doing no damage.
>>140663544
>>140663416
The androids are actually cyborgs. They're "human" in that regard, but most people don't count them in the "strongest human" ranking because they're no longer entirely physically human and derive the better part of their strength from the tech.
>>140662856
Why are all DB thread OP shit?
>>140663613
I can tell you're a casual because you're complaining about Jinzoningen being translated as Android, but not about Tenshinhan being called Tien.
>>140663690
No I specifically complained about it because the guys was making the retarded argument that 18 is human.
>>140663771
>This ass mad that /fit/ got BTFOd by /k/ and /g/
>>140663629
Along with the strength of the techniques, Krillin's signature move was completely useless in this instance due to Cell's regeneration. If Krillin had managed to land the kienzan on Nappa or Frieza, would we consider Krillin stronger than Picollo, Vegeta, or Goku? Of course not. In the same way, Tien had the right technique for knocking Cell on his ass. The attack also did not in any way do lasting damage.
>>140662856
1) Went to Namek, had Guru unlock his potential.
2) Consistently has a stronger training partner than Chiaotzu through out the series
3) Highest level of main character status for someone who isn't a saijin or Bulma
>>140664189
Tenshinhan trained with Kaio for months
I always felt bad that Goku and Vegeta are so freakishly strong by the final saga of DBZ.
They're just so stupidly strong that Piccollo, who was so strong after fusing with Kami, stronger than SSJ, by far; was already meaningless in terms of strength by the end of Cell Saga,and considered weaker in comparison to Kaio Shin; who was weak in comparison to Vegeta and Goku and Gohan in the Buu Saga.
It must suck so bad to be left behind in the dust like that. I mean, sure, Tien must feel even WORSE, considering he never stopped training.
But think Piccollo, he has access to the entire world, ancient knowledge, celestial connections,he meditates 24/7 and he cant figure out how to get God Ki?
BS.
>>140664271
So did Yamcha.
No one cares.
>>140664418
Yamcha was only there for like 10 days
>>140662856
They both fought against Freeza's army, so let's look at the strongest foe they fought beforehand:
Tien: Semi-Perfect Cell
Krillin: Guldo???
>>140664434
He died at the same fucking time Tien died.
WE GOT A BAD CASE OF TERROROIDS OVER HERE GUYS!
>>140664271
That just means he isn't irrelevent by the time Frieza showed up on earth. I don't see Tien ever using the Kaioken or Genki dama, so he obviously didn't complete the training.
>>140664451
Anyone that knew Tien's technique could've done what Tien did. He literally even fucking cheated and used lifeforce instead of Kai. In the manga, he only held Cell up for like 5 seconds as well.
Yamcha also said that Krillin is the strongest human ever, which doesn;t make it a fact exactly, but no one has ever said that about Krillin.
Jaco also thought Krillin must not be human because he was so strong ( and because he looked weird), which suggests he was on another level to all the other humans fighting Frieza's army.
>>140664486
Which is like a geniuine case of shit writing, IMO. Goku goes to train under Kaio Sama, and gets two top tier techniques, but everyone else gets absolutely NOTHING but basic gravity training?
Shit, man.
I know writing a shonen series is tough, but why even have a cast of characters if you dont let em' grow? At least Dragon Ball Abridged has the characters realizing how pointless they've become and weak they are now.
>>140664536
Having 10 main characters is a sure way to make things turn to shit. Dragon Ball is just about Goku and the people Goku meets.
Death of the Author
No mather how many times Toriyama repeats that Krillin is the strongest human if you were to watch the series you keep seeing how Tenshinhan is stronger than him
>>140664451
They both fight Cell Jrs and both hold their ground. Krillin is the first to go down, but only because Cell uses this to piss off Gohan.
>>140663544
>>140663613
"Android" is kind of a mistranslation. I think the original Japanese was something like "nigen-jinzo."
>>140664585
Any examples of that at all?
>>140664592
It's not a mistranslation, it's misleading in Japanese too.
>>140664390
being strong is not the only important thing in the world,goku is an asshole who thinks everything is solved with punches and when he sees someone stronger the first thing he does is try to fight,and vegeta is like goku but a killer egomaniac who cries and pisses of and cry when someone is stronger too.i prefer being krillin 1000 times because you know....A-18
>>140664585
World of God>>>Delusional Tienfaggot
>>140664585
>Death of author
Seriously fuck you. That is literally an academic way go say "muh head canon".
How about the fact Tien never won a single goddamn fight in DBZ? I think he beat cell jr. maybe but that's it.
Krillin beats four saiba men and one of freezer's henchmen at the very least.
>>140664657
It certaintly is in the setting, though-
Goku , Gohan and Vegeta are the only ones who had sufficient power to stand againts the bigger monsters of the series.
There hasnt been a moment where cleverness, or good techniques was the difference between winning or losing. It all comes down to raising your power level MORE, and MORE, HIGHER!
So many good techniques that are objectively good, that never win the day in DBZ- Kien-zan, the Solar Flare, the Tri Form- they always end up being useless.
>>140664536
Reread the series retard.
>>140664731
>Saibamen
>RoF
You too
During the Android Saga, Goku told Krillin take Yamcha to the senzu and had Tenshinhan stay for the fight.
>>140664735
It kinda mattered on Namek.
>>140664763
I did. Recently. Everyone grows fast and alright up to the Saiyan Saga, then everything just...I dont know, man.
Dont you recall how in the Frieza Saga , Krillin and Gohan spent their time hiding, and obviously were so fucking weak that for the longest time they couldnt even take on even fucking ZARBON or Dodoria?
When your secondary leads cant take on the Main Villain's second tier lieutenants, and not even his top men, you've got shit secondary leads.
>>140664735
That really only started with the Nam arc.
Everyone was far weaker than Raditz and Vegeta, but they still managed to win.
>>140664390
>>140664735
>Wah wah muh favorite characters aren't the strongest
Cry more faggot
>>140664859
Dude, I'm not saying they arent 'TEH STRONGEST', I'm simply saying, they dont need to be so weak as to not even really matter.
I mean, Gohan's basically a laughingstock, and Piccollo's so weak that he cant even SPAR with Goku and Vegeta, and had to politely decline spending time with them.
Aint that a shit?
>>140664819
Tbh I didn't mind it in the Namek arc. It was something different and the whole arc felt like a final impossible task. And then we got a legendary transformation that saved the day. it worked well. But from there on... yeah, it all felt like bad writing and missing the point.
Last time I checked, Mr Satan defeatd Cell. I really don't know why you faggots are discussing these scrubs,
>>140664819
>I did. Recently.
>When your secondary leads cant take on the Main Villain's second tier lieutenants, and not even his top men, you've got shit secondary leads.
or a retard that can't read manga.
>>140664592
It's not a mistranslation, just misnamed.
17 and 18 are Kaizoningen, 16 and 19 are Jinzoningen.
I'm the strongest human
>>140664907
>I'm simply saying, they dont need to be so weak as to not even really matter.
RoF
>Gohan's basically a laughingstock
>Married
>Has a daughter
>Becoming a scholar like he always wanted
Only dumb asses who don't understand Gohan character think he's a laughingstock.
>>140664920
Woop de doo.
I too recall that, asswipe.
Post the next few pages. That shit did absolutely nothing to Frieza.Gohan had another freak powerup, like againts Raditz.
My point still stands. Gohan was unable to do anything -when- it mattered. Zarbon, Dodoria, Ginyu Force, Shit Androids; Better Androids...
>>140662856
>using greentext wrong
>capitalization in green text
>emoticons
Why did you have to be such a faggot OP,also toriyama is autistic,he had to reread his own manga since he forgot everything.
>>140665031
That is the opposite of autistic.
>>140665030
>Gohan was unable to do anything -when- it mattered
>when- it mattered
>Goes on to list several people Gohan didn't even meet
Pic related
>Ginyu Force
You mean when he saved Vegeta life? Try harder retard.
>Shit Androids
Saved Piccolo from 20 aswell
>>140665128
Gohan kicked the shit out of Dodoria, remember?
>>140665156
One kick.
>>140665128
He did meet Zarbon and Dodoria when they were attacking the Namekian village. Well, more like witness a masaccre, then kick Dodoria and run away.
Gohan fought againts the Ginyu Force, and lost againts Recoome, after teaming up with Krillin to defeat the Green Guy. Cant remember his name.
For fuck's sake what I'm saying is that he cant ever WIN by himself for the longest time.My POINT is that while they can CONTRIBUTE to a fight, they only serve as distractions until someone saves the day.
You know, whatever, I'm done.
>>140665270
All I see there is a badass avoiding getting hit from a perfect sneak attack. Krillin cant even land one good hit, other than the tail.
>Goku helps Piccolo murder his one and only beloved brother, the last of his race.
>Raditz never mentioned again in the entire series
Still can't believe he was so weak, isnt the new super saiyain blue mode a million times stronger than raditz?
What would have happened if raditz came after goku got super saiyan god mode ?
>>140665327
>perfect sneak attack.
>I did. Recently.
Welp now I know you're lying.
>>140665447
Fucker, goddamn, he did do a perfect sneak attack, cut off Frieza's part of his tail, then send a barrage of attacks. Even with a perfect sneak attack, all he managed to do was cut...the tail.
Woo.
Then a bunch of kienzan's later and Frieza's dancing.
>>140665561
How did frieza get his tail back?
Yamcha is the strongest pure blooded non-mutant human on earth
>>140662856
Tenshinhan holds off Cell and Majin Buu
>>140664618
>22nd
Tien=Goku
Goku>Krillin
Tien>Krillin
>Piccolo
Krillin gets easily killed by one of Piccolo's minions while Tien goes against Big Green himself and helps Goku
>23rd
Tien was the first in line against Junior in case Goku lost to him. He was stronger than weighted Goku and weighted Goku was stronger than the Goku that defeated King Piccolo.
>Saiyan Saga
250>206
1830>1770
>Namek
It's hard to compare them, Krillin got the Unlock by Guru while Tien trained with King Kai. Piccolo became stronger than Gohan against First form Freezer (200.000) while training with King Kai so Tien surpassing Krillin while training there for 266 days is not hard to believe at all. Krillin was 130 days stuck without getting stronger before they were able to revive him
>Android saga
Shin Kikoho
Tien lasted longer against the Cell Jrs
>Buu saga
Tien saved Dende by stopping one of Buutenks attacks. Krillin did nothing against Buu
>Battle of Gods
Tien fought against Beerus together with 18 and Piccolo. Krillin stood behind with Yamcha
>RoF
Krillin had to be saved by Gohan from Freezer grunts while Tien did fine by himself
>>140664592
As a matter of fact, the term jinzoningen isn't generally applied to cyborgs at all. I suppose it is vaguer than "android", as someone pointed out with the Macross example, but a cyborg is more correctly referred to as a kaizoningen (i.e. "modified human", or something along those lines). Even Japanese fans have pointed out that #18 isn't really what they would call an artificial human. "Android" is actually the most normal way of translating jinzoningen, so even though it doesn't accurately describe all of Dr. Gero's creations, that little oddity is also present in Japanese. Because of that, I like the translation because it's accurately inaccurate.
>>140665561
>all he managed to do
was save Gohan's life, when even Vegeta couldn't do shit, dumbass.
>>140665778
Can we convince FUNimation to make more Level sets?
Any talk about a new movie? I liked last two movies a lot more than the series.
>>140665965
There HAS to be a movie after the success of RF and Xenoverse
Nose>No nose
Buuhan>Majin Buu
Perfect Cell>Imperfect Cell
4th Form Freezer>3rd Form Freezer
Tenshinhan>Krillin
>>140666111
Flawless victory
Red or blue?
>>140662856
Who the FUCK are you quoting, son
>>140666787
Blood is red because of Red Cells
Red cells are for transporting oxygen
Freezer doesn't need to breathe
>>140665019
You can be a peace loving scholar without being a retard 24/7.
pic related a fucking fanmade manga series managed to find a balance in Gohans character between being a pacifist faggot and being a character that actualy does shit when it counts.
At this point in the series i bet even Goten can beat the shit out of Gohan if he tried to.
TINSHIEHAN STRONGEST HUMAN
>>140667930
>Gohan
>a joke
Ginyu-Tagoma is as strong as Potential Unlocked Gohan was against Buu.
SSJ Gohan defeats him easily making a parallel in how Goku defeated Freezer on Namek.
He is also stronger than Piccolo with just using his base power.
GotenKS is just a joke character at this point in the other hand.
>>140664390
>and considered weaker in comparison to Kaio Shin
That may have been more Piccolo's overestimating a Supreme Kai's strength, or just respecting his title in general, just like the Supreme Kai underestimated the saiyans strength.
I guess the only thing we have for comparison is that Babidi felt he could take on Supreme Kai, and Piccolo was able to beat Babidi so he could be around or even above his level.
>>140668420
>Ginyu-Tagoma is as strong as Potential Unlocked Gohan was against Buu.
lmao no. GinyuTagoma is stated to be as strong as Gohans base form when in maximum power. This is why Gohan easily defeats him once he turns SSJ.
>Ginyu-Tagoma is as strong as Potential Unlocked Gohan was against Buu.
Can't stop laughing at this.
I don't see what's wrong with the king of everything.
>>140663324
Tien has a hot blond still, Toriyama just forgot about her.
>>140668762
>GinyuTagoma is stated to be as strong as Gohans base form when in maximum power.
If that were the case then Piccolo would have defeated him easily.
Because Base Gohan (RoF)>Piccolo>>>>>>100% Namek Freezer>Base Buu saga Saiyans
Ginyu-Tagoma was stated to be as strong as Gohan at his best (P.Unlocked vs Buu)
>>140662856
>can't greentext
>ESL mexican
>emoticons
>DBZ thread
>>140662958
>ellipses
>>140663544
>mobileshitter
Lurk for 2 years before posting.
>>140669066
dude stop being retarded, Gohan could barely hold his ssj1 transformation because he lacked training, and still made sort work of Tagoma.
It was never stated, provide source for your bullshit fanfiction.
The only thing they ever said about Tagoma was that he is as strong as base form Gohan and that he is far stronger than Ginyu force ever was.
Also stop using RoF as an example, in RoF Gohan could use his mystic form while in Super he can barely go SSJ.
In RoF Tagoma is also a side character with 20 seconds of screen time.
>>140665611
He transfromed
>>140664592
>Jinzo
that's Ironic as hell then
>>140669305
Start of Episode 22
Tagoma is powering up and then Gohan says "He's hiding his power and might be as strong as me at my best" then SSJ Gotenks headbutts him in the crotch and Roshi says "That indecent attack isn't weak at all" then he loses his body to Ginyu, after Ginyu defeats everyone in a single hit Jaco says "He's drawing full power of Tagoma's body. Ginyu is a creature capable of doing that" after that Piccolo stays in the ground and BASE Gohan gets up. In Episode 21 BASE Gohan tells Piccolo to stay back and challenges Shisami, Tagoma attacks Shisami and BASE Gohan and explains this as using this chance to defeat who appears to be the strongest enemy.
BASE Gohan tells Piccolo again to stay back while he challenges Ginyu. Later SSJ Gohan defeats Ginyu while he is using all his power when SSJ Gotenks wasn't able to defeat Tagoma when he had his guard down
ITT
>tienfags
>>140663581
>One that breaks the laws of Geometry
It really doesn't. Not when it's drawn properly.
See, when it's drawn propelry, the hands form a diamond-shaped window, which is why it leaves a rectangular hole in the ground when it hits.
>>140663544
Does that make goku human then? He fugged chi chi
>>140662856
Kill yourself
Why would you fucking care either way? The difference between the top humans is neglectable. Tien, Krillin and Yamcha are interchangeable on paper. Despite their track record.
