If Manga is objectively better than Anime then why is it that the amount of manga focused readers (those that read mostly manga) is incredibly lower than the numbers of anime focused watchers. (those that watch mostly anime more than manga)
Source: My ass
>>140571617
In Japan it's quite the opposite.
But even if that truly was the case, that still doesn't change the fact that not everyone can have taste so making statements like this based on popularity is completely meaningless.
>>140571617
Most people have shit taste.
same reason sao was so popular dumbass
>>140571617
>objectively
Fuck off.
>>140571617
>is incredibly lower
It's not.
The amount of people reading just manga (with the odd anime watched) in Japan alone is probably about three times the amount of people watching just anime (with the odd manga read) worldwide.
>>140571967
Not OP, but my impression is that most of the primarily-manga people in Japan are reading a tiny amount of manga, like comparable to what a primarily-anime anon would be reading.
>>140571757
>>140571967
we're not in japan nigga!
>>140572084
A good amount of people who've browsed this board long enough have killed themselves already so this place has a lot in common with Japan.
>>140572056
And most anime watchers worldwide are one anime per year plebs - that only watch shit like OPM and SnK.
>>140572176
That's a myth.You're thinking of /r9k/ and /v/
>>140571617
Manga is much easier to create and much cheaper to buy. You and other people outside of Japan don't pay for it either way, so you're more attracted to the expensive product.
2or3ep in a manga, 7$.
Why do they buy BD, 60$?
>>140572176
I think if you count or discount both of those together, anime will be higher (how many millions of people have streamed like two anime in the past five years?). It's only if you limit yourself to regular anime watchers while still counting all the people who follow two or three manga that manga would be larger.
>>140572253
I'll have you know I spent 300 euro on manga just this month.
>>140572253
Most japanese read manga because manga actually ends the story. It doesn't just cut off arbitrarily. That's the reason why LNs outsell anime hundredfold as well.
And besides. Reading a book, even a shitty YF book is better than wasting your time watching late night anime like an otaku piece of shit. At least the book you can read on your way to work.
>>140572293
If you've paid your TV bills, then anime is free, retard.
>>140572304
No. Most people that watch enough anime to not be niwaka also read a lot of manga.
The just manga group as I said in Japan alone outnumbers the anime only watchers worldwide by the millions.
>>140572358
>Most japanese read manga because manga actually ends the story. It doesn't just cut off arbitrarily. That's the reason why LNs outsell anime hundredfold as well.
I somehow doubt this is the main reason. The possibility of getting an actual ending 15 years from now doesn't up your sales hundredfold.
>>140572358
>otaku
>going to work
>>140572293
Titan, Naruto: 4$
Ghoul: 5$
>>140572423
>anime only
We're talking primarily, not only. And I guarantee you that most of /a/ is more into anime than manga.
>>140572481
exactly.
>>140572438
>that image
Fuck off.
>>140572432
Most manga don't run for that long in the first place, but even then reading a manga that'll take 15 years to end is still more satisfying than a one cour anime that never gets continued.
>>140571617
Idk if more people watch anime than manga or not but if you're talking about what gets discussed on this board then that's accurate. Books are objectively better than tv/films but watching something is a more passive process than reading - as in it doesn't take the same degree of concentration/energy - so naturally its preferred even if people know they might learn more/get more out of a book.
>>140571617
You fucking people don't get it. It's not anime > manga or anime < manga, it's source material > adaptation (but even that isn't always the case with shows like Gintama). Do you think a manga adaption of anime original TTGL could be better than the original series? Of course not.
>>140571617
>>140572577
> Books are objectively better than tv/films
> Manga is objectively better than Anime
How is it possible to have this hard of a time understanding how opinions work?
>>140572481
/a/ is a massive 40K people by the most ambitious estimates moot had couple years ago. Not really a number that's important in the grander scheme of the millions of Japanese partaking in their own subcultures.
In Japan alone I'd say 80% of the population reads at least some sort of a manga publication. There's lots of political and social satire we never get here that is very popular there.
Also gag shit that's been running for a good 30-40 years in some cases. That is the mass of the manga reader in Japan and since it's such a big number of people it's the mass of manga reader worldwide as well. Far beyond the fandom in the West in proportions.
in short, even if anime become extinct, manga is
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FOOOREVERRRRR
>>140572605
>Of course not.
King Gainer manga is better than the King Gainer anime. The anime came first.
>>140571617
>If Manga is objectively better than Anime
source?
>>140572637
Fair enough, it's a subjective opinion. But I think my point about the ease of watching tv compared to reading a book stands.
>>140572605
I disagree. I just prefer paneling to animation as a format most of the time. It flows better for me, it's easier to hold my attention and make me care.
>>140572822
>It flows better for me
Good for you, no one cares
>>140572774
>But I think my point about the ease of watching tv compared to reading a book stands.
It doesn't.
A 4koma is much easier to read than wasting half an hour of your life to watch the low budget adaptation.
Manga has a much bigger range of subject and themes compared to anime. That's one of the big reasons manga is superior.
Some mangas are simply better than the anime, or they cover much more things than the anime does in the same arc.
Ex: Berserk
>>140572867
No one cares about your opinion either retard.
In fact this whole thread is bait. Where the fucking mods?
It's basically the same thing with books: they're cheaper to make than an animated series, therefore there's more variety and authors can affort to take more risk, which means we get tons of shitty works, but also some real gems. Also, since it's cheaper, stories tend to be more complete and detailed.
If there're more people watching anime than reading manga, that's because (i) some people are too lazy to read even comic books, (ii) animes are more "entertaining", as there's sound, animation, etc.
>>140572867
Oh, sorry, I forgot we have to state everything in absolutes here.
Paneling is objectively a better format at communicating content with purpose, and anime's only more popular because retards who can't separate themselves from the way things happen continuously in reality can't into sequential art.
Is that better? Or do I still need to be more aggressive?
>read manga
>when characters say "What!?" I hear "Nani!?" in my head
>start reading a non-Jap comic
>can't help but read right to left
>>140573016
>>start reading a non-Jap comic
Don't do that.
>>140571617
How am I supposed to give a reason to a false statement?
Same reason people watch movies/series instead of reading books. Plus boredom and no imagination
>>140572877
Just because it takes more time doesn't mean it's harder to do. It takes more effort for someone to read a sentence than it does for them to hear it.
>>140573016
>start reading a non-Jap comic
>can't help but read right to left
The worst is when it's a long-running manga with different translations for different sections, and some parts are mirrored while others aren't. You go fucking crazy trying to remember which way you're supposed to be reading.
>>140572996
>anime's only more popular because retards who can't separate themselves from the way things happen continuously in reality can't into sequential art.
This post can't be real
>>140573114
That only holds for moonspeakers and dub-watchers.
>>140573146
It's not, in fact. Try reading the whole conversation.
>>140571617
Manga in nipland is fucking everywhere.
Think of a salon, they have shitload of manga near those styling magazines
>>140572481
>most of /a/
Not all of us are burgerlanders anon
>>140573079
I like comics though, anon.
My brain fries for a minute until I remember how I'm supposed to read Western.
>>140573126
Troublesome translations are the worst.
>>140572755
have you read no manga?
>>140571617
From friends who tend to prefer animes: "unless it's a compelling read, I get easily bored."
I told them to kill themselves.
Anime can have a manga feeling if it has cuts at just the right times.
>>140571617
In Japan is the opposite.
In the west is because anime is easier to obtain while manga usually has shitty scans and awful translations, even some official releases suffer from that.
>>140571617
The quality and consistency of fansubs on the internet is much better than scanlations. Official manga releases in the west are most often shit and slow to release.
>>140571617
For the same reason that people watch movie adaptations of books and comic books instead of readings said books or comics.
>>140573177
Try harder! Most people prefer dubs because it's easier than reading, and moreover, the reading distracts from concentrating on the visuals. The people who prefer subs do so because they want to get a better understanding of what's actually being communicated even though it takes more effort to do so.
>>140573552
I'm not sure what you thought my point was, but all I was saying was that the other anon's bit about anime being easier because you didn't have to read doesn't hold true for subwatchers.
>>140571617
If /a/ is objectively better than /v/ then why is it that the amount of /a/ssholes is incredibly lower than the numbers of /v/ermins?
>>140573552
Leaving aside arguments about watching a show in it's intended language and the general shitty quality of dubs of course.
>>140571617
Source: your ass.
Frankly, wtf is anime/manga focused people? We call them casuals around here.
>>140573645
Because that's exactly what makes /a/ objectively better than /v/.
>>140573621
Oh ok that's a good point actually.
>>140572893
basically this.
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>>140574122
where is my option that says "bear is a gigantic faggot"?
>>140574211
It's not on there because in no circumstances could it be true.
>>140574258
>goes on /fit/
>favorite anime are about groups of athletic young men
>not a faggot
>>140571617
Because that's exactly what makes manga objectively better than anime.
>>140571617
If you're just talking about /a/, then that's because scanlations of a lot of series are either very far behind, very slow or not there at all.
This isn't the case for anime where basically every show every season is subbed and easily accessible.
>>140574539
Thats become part of the charm for me. Checking out what is released every day is fun.
>Look at the anime thise season
This is the reason why I primarily just read manga.
Anime most times is just fucking garbage and there hasn't been a good original show for fucking ages.
I want someone to try adapting Otoyomegatari. Seeing them crash and burn would be entertaining.
Manga board when?
>>140574999
That would be a shit board. 90% of the people reading manga here only seem to read jump trash.
If most anime is adapted from the manga, that probably means the manga is good to begin with. Adaptations usually lose something in translation from print to animation.
Like how movies are typically not as good as the books they are adapted from. The movies can be great but they are probably not as good as the book in terms of conveying characters, subplots, etc. There's simply not enough time in a movie or season to expound on the minute details.
I care not what people prefer. I just wish there were more manga threads that weren't OPT
>>140575057
>that probably means the manga is good to begin with
No it's the opposite. If it gets an anime it means it's marketable to the lowest common denominator i.e. it's crappy shonenshit/haremshit etc.
One of them is just an advertisement for the other
Guess which is which
>>140574442
None of those make me a faggot.
>>140571617
Each panel on a page of manga is a frame of animation.
Layouts and manga-specific techniques are required to simulate the passage of time.
Anime's greater framerate allows for new techniques that greater simulate the passage of time.
Now add audio.
Anime is "objectively" better than manga.
See: nnd videos of fan-colored manga with bgm and voice. Even porn groups have jumped on it.
Fuck outta here, scrub.
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>>140576503
nice try.
>>140574999
Never, I hope. The type of people who would frequent it would mostly be either WSJ faggots or insufferable pricks who've read maybe 100 manga and want to preen over how unjust it is that their favorite semi-known manga isn't Naruto-tier popular.
>>140576503
> nnd videos of fan-colored manga with bgm and voice.
Why the fuck would I want that? That sounds terrible.
>>140577221
There just isn't enough interest to justify it.
If someone wants a thread for their manga they'll make it. Whether others flock to it or not will tell how much it's needed.
>>140571617
You see, these statistics prove quite clearly that the majority of eastern fiction fans do in fact read manga instead of watching anime
>>140577441
The point, my mongoloidian friend, is that you don't see it happening the other way around. They'd take butchered manga if it makes it a tiny bit closer to anime. People are making a killing coloring doujinshi on the panda, so it's not just Japan either.
Manga sacrifices prose for art, and anime sacrifices art for motion and sound. Once the 3d tech gets good enough, manga won't have art going for it anymore. But by then, anime will get replaced by real life SAO. The waifu revolution is upon us.
>>140578435
>The point, my mongoloidian friend, is that you don't see it happening the other way around. They'd take butchered manga if it makes it a tiny bit closer to anime. People are making a killing coloring doujinshi on the panda, so it's not just Japan either.
So basically ad populum? I shouldn't have wasted my time.
>>140578435
>People are making a killing coloring doujinshi on the panda, so it's not just Japan either.
you're definitely someone coming from a very specific bubble.
believe me, nobody gives a flying fuck about colored manga/doujinshi that aren't colored by the original creator/s
>>140579503
This. "Making a killing" in sadpanda terms means making minimum wage in normal terms.
Manga sells much more than anime in Japan, but that's in great part because of the BD prices, you can' really say manga is more popular because of that.
>>140580248
even with decent prices, anime will never be as accessible as manga.
>>140572378
>Pay
>free
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>>140582166
If you've already paid your TV bills (which most households will be paying regardless of whether someone in them is watching anime), then your anime incurs no additional costs.
>>140582782
Do japs actually pay the NHK fee?
>>140571617
>anime only newfags ACTUALLY think anime is more popular than manga
>anime only newfags ACTUALLY think popularity is an argument for quality
Why are people responding seriously to this retard?
>>140576503
Your argument makes no fucking sense let alone proves anime is 'objectively' better than anything. How are animation techniques used to simulate the passage of time objectively better than the techniques used in manga? If anything it's better that the audience isn't forced to follow along at the director's/animator's pace. If anime has a flaw as a medium, it's how fucking horribly slow paced it all is. Compare it to nearly any western drama or sitcom, and see how much more happens in 20 minutes in those series. On the other hand, 20 minutes of manga covers significantly more content than an episode of anime and the reader has the luxury of going at their own pace. You can slow down and concentrate, speed up and skim read, reread things, take a break and look around, etc all without having to fiddle with the media player controls.
best option is to read manga and wait for your favorite scenes to come out on blu ray.
>>140585791
best option is to skip the manga and only watch the blurays
>>140587154
Best option is to skip everything and just jack off to the doujinshi.
>>140572084
If you actually do the stats on reader sites vs streamer sites, you'd probably find the amount of visitors comparable.
Alexa rankings: Kissmanga, ~3,000, Kissanime ~125,000
Mangahere ~1,800, Gogoanime ~5,100
Mangapanda ~3,000
Mangareader ~1,500
And there's way more reader mirrors. I don't really know anime streaming sites, so well find some to compare.
>>140572921
>mangas
>>140575418
Such is the pain of being a mangafag on /a/.
>>140574999
Kill yourself.
>>140590372
There's also the joy of being a mangafag where it doesn't end after a season or two, and being able to read chapter dumps together.
If manga is so good, why does Eden by Hiroki Endo suck so much pretentious dick?
