How come Ash in the Anime plays like a 5 year old who just bought action replay?
>>140504951
When was the last time you watched this show?
>>140505071
Last I checked he didnt get good until this season
https://youtu.be/pMqhMQBmyKo
I doubt 5 year olds can figure out how to use AR.
>>140505113
He was good in Sinnoh too
>>140504951PIKACHU USED HIS TAIL AS A GROUND AND DODGED THE ELECTRIC SHOCK
That's all I remember.
>>140504951
>action replay
that explains a lot about Ash
action replay gets pokemon stronger,
but his pokemon sucks
>>140505137
>not using Starmie against Charizard for thundershock/surf rape
For shame Ash. For a supposive pokemon "master" you sure have a pitiful collection of pokemon.
>>140505449
He didn't even set up stealth rocks. What an amateur.
AIM FOR HIS HORN
>>140504951
Gotta have the same iconic MC and milk the franchise some more.
>>140505258
That was Brock, right? Shit I think I vaguely recall that exact line.
https://youtu.be/XzA2yJiwsaQ
>>140505137
>using a shitty voice changer video
Here you idiot >>140505709
>>140505592
"Gold" looks like such a cooler character. So sick of the stereotype that "Red" embodies, there.
>brooding, mysterious, edgelord.
It's just so cliche now, it's like it's lost all meaning.
Can someone explain to me what the fuck happened in this episode? Greninja was 2powerful and that made Ash collapse?
>>140505449
>starmie
>on mega charizard x
Get a load of this retard
Pokemon the transformers of anime?
>>140505592
>Pokespecial manga will never be animated
why even live
>>140505756
>mega charizard x
I haven't watched pokemon since 1999. What the fuck is this bullshit?
>>140505756
>letting charizard evolve
>not ohko with starmie thunder
Rooky hour
>>140505744
>>brooding, mysterious, edgelord.
Are you actually retarded?
Not once is Red in canon ever portrayed the way fanart has made him out to be.
The reasoning is retarded too.
'He didn't say anything. What did he mean by that? He must be an Edgelord,'
>>140505796
You know how stones can cause Pokemon to evolve? Same thing but with final evolutions.
>>140505803
That's not how it works in the anime. Pokemon can take several SE hits and that Charizard is grossly overpowered that has OHKO elite 4s ace. Using game logic in the anime is retarded as fuck.
>>140505753
His sync ratio was too high so he was taking the damage that Greninja took.
>>140505871
Thunder x4 recover when need be and then surf it to put it in a grave. Done.
Greninja is greretarded to go against charizard since he doesnt even have water moves on most common move sets and ash being the dumbshit he is tought him purely weak ass fight moves.
>>140505852
Referring to the character portrayal, there, in that image. Not the non-character from gameboy 25 years ago.
>>140505970
Are you retarded? You don't apply fucking game logic to the fucking anime. It's very fucking different.
>>140505970
>Using game logic
>in the anime
We got ourself are downy over here
>>140505709
>Not available in your country
For amerifats
https://my.mixtape.moe/xravoe.webm
>>140506093
FLYING POKEMON HAVE DIED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE ANIME TO THUNDER ATTACKS JESUS FUCK
>>140506298
>He never seen Pikachu and Guts Swellow episode
>>140505592
>liking Redgy
>>140506298
Mega Charizard X isn't a flying type, it's a dragon type.
>>140505852
There's also the shadows covering his eyes in the gold/silver sprite.
>>140505803
>using Thunder on a Dragon type
Full retard.
>>140504951
It's his remuneration for his immortality. He loses his memory every year.
>>140506298
Show me the Flying-type pokémon in that video. Seriously, do it. I want to see.
>>140504951
Fucking this, I'd rather have all the battles be like webm related.
>>140504951
So the target audience can relate to him.
Why do people complain about an animated videogame and merch advertisement not being the pinnacle of storytelling?
>>140506061
>25 years ago
>20th anniversary is this year
>>140510312
What a retarded battle
Victreebel is way faster he would've had the first move, same with Kabutops, no Earthquake for Snorlax, and Jolteon getting hit by an electric move.
Pure shit
>someone will seriously try to argue that this >>140510312 is better than this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzA2yJiwsaQ
>>140505113
He was alright in Sinnoh - not his fault some scrub had a fucking Darkrai.
>Ash is still going to use the sync
He's going to end up in a coma and die.
>>140511818
why does this look better than db super?
>>140512225He's already in a coma.
>>140512271
Nintendo money
>Last episode was shippingfaggotry and slutty
>This episode is edgy grimdark shit
Where were you when Ash seduced a shota?
>>140512641
>last episode was buzzword and buzzword
>this episode is buzzword buzzword
You're so insightful anon.
>>140505803
>going for a move that has less accuracy AND does less damage than surf because of STAB
get a load of this scrub
>>140512063
>Tournament
>Allowing a legendary
Bullshit of the highest order.
>>140505693
Surge
>>140513970
Ignore this post if you meant as in who said the line.
>>140513652
The top-level tournament in the region isn't going to turn a trainer down because they're "too strong". He earned his strength just like anybody else.
>>140512225
I think the best way to defeat fusion-greninja is attacking directly the trainer.
Trainer is aways weaker than pokemon and there are no way to pokemon to lend the power to trainer.
>>140505592
Why the fuck would you make Gold edgy when he has been portrayed as the opposite literally everywhere else. Fuck edgy fan interpretations.
>>140504951
>plays like a 5 year old who just bough action replay
>not the protag of Twitch Plays Pokemon
>>140507239
>not liking Regigigas
>>140514834
He only gets that far in 20 episodes?
>>140514966
According to Wikipedia episode list:
>Episode 163: Bug catching contest
>Episode 183: Ash and friends arrive in Ecruteak
>>140514966
Yes, it's kind of nuts.
Ash is incredibly retarded during this period, however. Of course, that's mostly so that even the kids watching the show can clearly discern how Ash is being a stupid asshole this time and should do things differently.
>>140512793
Don't bully the loli, she tries hard to make Red senpai notice she's not a boy.
>>140505449
>thundershock over thunderbolt
>surf over scald
>using either on a part dragon type
Get a load of this casual
>>140512793
>Ash
>>140505592
Holy shit I almost cut my finger clicking this picture
>>140506552
Ash's Swellow was just a monster in general
>tanked Pikachu's THUNDER as a Tailow in it's debut
>Thunder Armor
>Caught Tyson's Donphan mid Rollout on the ground and KO'd it immediately after
>beating Tucker with Corphish
>beat a Scizor 1 on 1 after already beating another Pokemon
>>140512793
That is not Ash, you were already told that in another thread
>>140505753
>turned to stone
>almost got impaled
>drowned
>eaten alive by a tree
>froze to death in outer space
>has a heart attack during battle
Ash has escaped death more times than any human should be allowed
>>140516377
Is pokemon the only Anime you watch?
>>140516377
That's a pretty modest amount for an anime running 900+ episodes
>Having a heart attack at age 10
>>140510312
>rhyhorn takes out 5 of red's pokemon
>OHKO a fucking jolteon with thunderbolt
Thanks for reminding me how shit origins was.
>>140516573
>spend a season in poke America
ORETACHI WA MOTTO MOTTO TSUYOKU!
IKUZEEEEEE!!!
>Pokemon anime shows a kid having a heart attack and breathing problems
>Ace Attorney anime can't even show blood and how the victims are killed
Get your priorities straight Japan.
>>140516783
I haven't kept up with pokemon but they've really jumped the shark haven't they?
>>140516783
>Shortly after evolving into Greninja, through his strong bond with Ash, he can call upon a unique type of Evolution similar to that of Mega Evolution where he takes on an appearance resembling his trainer while being covered in a water torrent veil. Its full capabilities and attributes are currently unknown, but it appears to give a significant boost in speed and power. They also share each other's point of view. However, little does Ash and his friends know, Greninja's new form comes with a side-effect. If Greninja gets attacked and takes damage while in this form, Ash will feel his pain.
I am not joking about this.
>>140517334
You're telling me he can actually get himself killed?
>>140517334
>Greninja is now a Stand
>>140504951
>tfw can't remember the name of an anime I watched a while back that was similar to bakugan/pokemon except the author didn't sell out into censorship+full on merchandising
>>140517467
>>140517486
>Shortly after evolving into Greninja, through its strong bond with Ash, he can call upon a transformation similar to Mega Evolution, where it takes on an appearance resembling its Trainer while being covered in a water veil. Its full capabilities are unknown, but it appears to give a significant boost in speed and power. This form comes with a side effect where whenever Greninja takes damage, the pain is shared with Ash in the same location where Greninja was hurt. Ash is also shown to be able to see from Greninja's point of view and will occasionally mimic Greninja's movements. Ash describes it as feeling like he "became" Greninja. It is revealed by Clemont's device that Ash and Greninja share the exact same heartbeat while Greninja is in the forme. If the forme is pushed too hard, it's possible for Ash to pass out from the resulting exhaustion and pain.
https://youtu.be/4jTqA9CJe9o?t=314
https://youtu.be/BkD0k4qfxcc?t=389
https://youtu.be/qotLjPhq2Eg?t=243
https://youtu.be/gGzxINR3NkU?t=158
https://youtu.be/XzA2yJiwsaQ?t=165
>>140517264
No. XY is good and the Gekkouga stuff is cool.
>>140517635
>It is revealed by Clemont's device that Ash and Greninja share the exact same heartbeat while Greninja is in the forme. If the forme is pushed too hard, it's possible for Ash to pass out from the resulting exhaustion and pain.
>Pain
Might as well add death.
>>140517334
>>140517486
>>140517635
>Satoshi's Bizarre Adventure when?
>mfw following all this blantant samefag
>>140517897
What samefag?
>>140505592
I hate Pixiv Red so fucking much, and even more Pixiv Gold since the original design was supposed to be a literal 2cool4skool 90's kid.
canonically ash is a genius when it comes to battling (not in BW though, they made him a retard there)
>>140519490
Confirmed dumb by aliens in BW.
>>140519840
>aliens
What.
>>140519840
as I said, he's only a genius when it comes to battling
>>140519862
There's an episode with those little alien pokémon taking over people's minds. It doesn't work on Ash and the alien says it doesn't work on stupid people. Which it corrects to "special people" when Ash questions it.
>>140519862
Some literal ayy Lmao pokemon were using technology that only stupid people weren't affected by. Satoshi and rockets aren't affected.
![giphy[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/YIR1Ngx.gif "giphy[1].gif")
>>140519996
>>140520059
So Ash is the pic related of anime? Amazing.
>>140517635
I like this but I wish it didn't cuck Charizard out of a mega
>>140521579
>wanting more charizard shilling
>>140521593
>wanting more greninja shilling
same shit
>>140521593
>not wanting Charizard Y
I'm a bit disappointed, even though I don't really like Charizard.
>you will never see Ash and his Charizard on their knees at Char X's feet, only to unlock Mega Evolution in their hour of need, activate Drought, and blast Edgyzard the fuck away with a newly learned Solar Beam
>>140516377
>Get murdered by a Chandelier
>then REZ'd back to life later
>>140521881
Charizard is already shilled plenty in XY via Alan's Charizard and bringing an old Pokémon back to be Ash's powerhouse would be somewhat poor storytelling as it would undermine the growth and relevance of the team he built throughout this series. Actually, it already happened with Charizard himself in BW too.
>>140522010
Charbro stealing ash's most Loyal starters signature moves
>also 1/4 effectiveness
>>140505517
This shit was pretty based. It actually looks like he's having a heart attack.
>>140522308
>not having a 3 second flashback to Bulbasaur to show where Charizard picked up the move from
>>140522447
Not even with stock footage?
>>140516377
He only legit died and became bros with a Haunter to beat Sabrina
>>140522520
XY has really stepped up their stock footage use.
>>140516647
Origins Red is probably one of the least competent Red-equivalents in the franchise. He has no strategy, he underlevels all his Pokemon and he just tosses everything in one after another hoping for the best and ends it all with Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard, which is his only Pokemon that's decently leveled. This says a lot about the Gym Leaders and Elite Four, considering Red actually manages to beat all of them.
Special Red is better, but not by much. The last time he employed a decent strategy was in the Pokemon League Tournament in Kanto against Green.
Ash, on the other hand, pulls bullshit tactics out of his ass constantly. Because apparently, Bug-Type moves are super effective against other Bug-Type moves, so I guess that means X-Scissor can break Trick Room! Because that's sure possible in the games!
>>140522010
>Solar Beam
>Against a Fire/Dragon mon
It wouldn't do shit.
>>140523080
>>140522308
It's a giant sun powered laser beam, it'd look cool
Type effectiveness doesn't mean shit anyway judging by Greninja BTFO'ing Sceptile just a little while back
>>140523044
>Trick Room
>bug type move
Are you retarded?
Also it's long established in the anime that moves can disperse energy. Trick Room is psychic energy. There is no inconsistency here.
>>140523217
You can't target Trick Room in the games.
>>140523180
Greninja blew him out with Aerial Ace, a flying type move.
>>140523180
Ash's Greninja is stronger than Shota's Sceptile, and it knows Aerial Ace.
Also, .5x modifier isn't much considering how pitiful Sceptile's defenses are. If anything's gonna give it trouble, it's Mega Sceptile, which is half Dragon. And according to the OP, Shota's gonna get a Mega Stone soon.
>>140523245
You can't actively dodge in the games either. Or deflect moves with other moves.
Origins isn't consistent with the games either. What matters is internal consistency.
>>140523309
Eh. Origins is lame because Red had no semblance of strategy.
we'll he's eternally like 10 yo so it's normal
>>140523302
>>140523256
That was Aerial Ace? It looked like a generic water blast in the webms, but that makes sense.
>>140523407
Which one are you talking about? If you've seen the current OP, he throws a Water Shuriken at him. In the actual episode, he dashes towards him and slams him against the wall with a kick (that's actually Aerial Ace), the water around Greninja is just a shroud that protects him from attacks and not an actual move.
>>140523407
>water blast
He was covered in water but this was clearly kung fu shit, not a projectile.
>>140523407
Ash's Greninja's Aerial Ace manifests as a roundhouse kick or energy shortswords.
If you're talking about the water ball thing, that's Water Pulse, which Greninja can't use anymore, having replaced it with Water Shuriken.
NVE moves aren't completely worthless. You can beat a Cloyster with Surf due to its hilariously shitty Special Defense.
>>140523529
>shortsword
That's Cut.
>>140523588
Aerial Ace is occasionally manifested as a shortsword as well. It's not very consistent.
Also, when Greninja's in that super mode, Cut manifests as two shortswords, rather than just the one.
>>140523668
It was only a cutting move against Ramos, and it was still just his hands glowing. It manifests as martial arts while Cut manifests as his weapon.
>>140523703
That was Aerial Ace. The Japanese name for it is Tsubame Gaeshi.
>>140523978
That's what I said. Read the post again.
>>140523668
>Also, when Greninja's in that super mode, Cut manifests as two shortswords, rather than just the one.
Only in the latest battle, meaning the move is evolving to become more powerful.
My prediction is Ash will make it to the Top 2 and just barely lose in the finals. Ash's progress is steady like that. First he was in the Top 16, then he progressed to the Top 8 in Johto and Hoenn, then he made it to the Top 4 in Sinnoh. The next step is the Top 2. After that, who knows, maybe he'll win the tournament in the next region.
>>140504951
Remember when pikachu fought A metagross? Stupid fucking fight.
>>140524726
>BW
>>140524816
That was a step down.
I wish James got a chance to win something for once. Jessie wins the odd contest or contest-equivalent, but whenever James competes in something, it's a one-off thing and he always has to go against Ash, who he just can't beat in anything.
>>140525219
James won the Orienteering contest in late BW.
>>140524797
he fought the Metagross like a MECH in an anime
he broke a hole in its head and attacked its weakpoint
>>140526321
*late AG
>>140523703
Night Slash when?
>>140527451
Hopefully eventually, Sanpei's Gekkouga used it.
Why is Pokemon so good now?
>>140505592
Gold could do a little change, but I always thought this was a pretty badass interpretation of red. It would be cool to see this animated in a pokemon battle.
>>140530581
>defending redgy
>>140530581
It's a heavily inaccurate interpretation of Red.
Game Red is probably actually more similar to Ash: An idiot kid but a savant at battling.
>>140527523
>satoshi dies
>serena takes his place
>and his clothes
I could get behind this
Reminder that at the end of XYZ, Serena's gonna train under Yashio.
I've been playing HeartGold and holy shit the level progression is worse than I remember. I owned Silver and Crystal when I was a kid, but it's been a long time. The average level for trainer Pokemon is below level 30. What the fuck is this shit? How is this even remotely excusable?
>>140532840
Incidentally, that's around the 7th badge. The average level of trainer Pokemon by the 7th badge is below 30.
>>140532840
Just wait until you get to Kanto and run into level 2 Pokemon
>>140530743
Not sure how he's an idiot when he never ever speaks and managed to solve huge amounts of puzzles.
>>140532940
I just got my seventh badge. My Quilava is level 30. I don't like grinding and I tend to even out the levels of my mons, but this is fucking ridiculous.
No wonder none of Ash's Pokemon evolved in Johto. It was being perfectly accurate to the games in that regard.
>>140532840
You gotta be shitting me. FireRed and LeafGreen had higher level progression than that and those are remakes. What happened?
>>140533054
Anon, we all solved those puzzles when we were little kids in elementary school. You don't need to be smart to solve a Pokemon puzzle.
Except for the ones that require you to know fucking Braille.
>>140533189
It's because of Kanto. The Generation II games (and HG/SS by extension) feature both the Johto and Kanto regions fit into a single game. As a result, in order to stretch things out better, the level progression of rival trainers has been slowed down drastically. The Generation II games have the lowest average initial levels for the Elite Four in the entire franchise. Lance's strongest Pokemon was around its mid-40s, I believe. On the other hand, it does also have the highest-level boss in the franchise as well, with Red having a level 88 Pikachu. Unfortunately, his team is shit.
>>140533324
On the other hand, the E4 are actually pretty high level for that point in the game. If you don't have something good enough to deal with dragons, you might have to grind a bit.
>>140533424
You have to fight Clair immediately before then. If you don't have anything that could counter dragons then you're an idiot. Well, you can capture Ho-Oh, Lugia or Suicune before then so you're more than well-equipped to deal with the Elite four as long as you have those. Plus in Crystal, HeartGold and SoulSilver, catching those is actually mandatory.
>>140533190
>know
There's a fucking braille guide in the manual you dumbass.
>>140533581
Who reads the manual?
>>140533647
People that didn't get stuck on the kind of puzzles they now refuse to use in games because kids find them too hard.
>>140532583
Elle still exists.
>>140534377
And despite that, Yashio still offered to take Serena under her wing. So clearly, that's not an issue for her.
>>140534429
Until later.
>>140534670
If that's what you wanna believe.
It's obvious that the offer was made in preparation for Serena's eventual departure. She can't stick around forever. Try-Pokarons are an anime Kalos-only thing.
>>140534853
>Try-Pokarons
lelwhat
>>140534971
The performance thing that Serena's been doing in the show.
>>140535053
They're called Tripokalons, you dolt.
>>140535089
Thanks, I'll add it to my list of things I don't really give a shit about.
>>140534853
So were Contests in Hoenn until they got put into Kanto.
>>140535992
That was just to give May something to do while Ash challenged the Battle Frontier. It was still part of the AG series, and they couldn't exactly throw her out.
There's no reason to do that here. They set up a perfect reason for Serena to leave the group. Also, if Sun and Moon have some new side thing to take the place of Contests and such, then that's all the more reason not to bring Serena along.
>>140536102
There was also no Contest halls in the FR/LG games either, but they put it in Kanto in the anime anyway.
>>140505517
Why is he tied when he isnt the one who actually fight?
>>140536158
In order to give May something to do, because she was a main character and she couldn't just sit on her ass and do nothing while Ash challenged the Battle Frontier. One Brock is enough. Battle Frontier was still part of the AG run, and they couldn't get rid of May. That's why they added Contests into Kanto.
Also, the entire reason that arc took place in Kanto at all was partially for nostalgia reasons, and partially so Ash wouldn't spend an entire arc in a single island facility. The reason Contests were a thing was purely out of necessity, but that necessity doesn't exist here.
>>140536209
When Greninja goes into that super mode, Ash is completely synchronized with it. That means he feels everything it feels, including pain. They both get tired just from using that form too.
>>140536102
>>140536267
Anon, May was gone when Ash returned to Kanto until they started the whole Battle Frontier thing and May was brought back when she had already gone home.
It wasn't a thing of nostalgia or else you'd have had Misty going around and Leaf/Green/Blue was a thing. Not to mention contests weren't a part of LG/FR.
>>140536507
She came back because she was a main character and the AG run hadn't been completed yet.
Okay, look, it's like this: Hoenn and the Battle Frontier were both part of the AG run of the show. Just as Kanto, the Orange Islands and Johto were all part of the original series run, and both Unova and the Decolora Islands were part of the B/W run. Each run is characterized by the particular set of characters in the cast. Original run had Brock and Misty, AG had Brock, May and Max, DP had Brock and Dawn, BW had Cilan and Iris and XY(&Z) has Clemont, Bonnie and Serena. May left temporarily, but used Contests as a convenient excuse to bring her back, because she was still advertised as a main character and Battle Frontier was only an extension of the AG run.
But Sun & Moon have nothing to do with X&Y. It's an entirely separate generation. There's no reason to keep Serena around after X&Y is done.
>>140536706
>There's no reason to keep Serena around after X&Y is done.
except for the fact that Serena doesn't resemble her in-game design anymore. Plus the possibility that Sun and Moon may drop the default avatar for a fully customizeable one are factors in whether Serena stays.
>>140536706
>Hoenn and the Battle Frontier were both part of the AG run of the show.
I never said they weren't, except look what was going on with the games.
>May left temporarily, but used Contests as a convenient excuse to bring her back, because she was still advertised as a main character and Battle Frontier was only an extension of the AG run.
And there's the thing, the whole thing was really about Battle Frontier but at the same time taking elements from FR/LG which had nothing to do with May or contests, and she was already dropped off. FR/LG girl existed already.
Sun & Moon actually appear to have more to do with X&Y because there's actually something holding it: Zygarde's involvement which actually has two moves and two or so forms.
>>140504951
So is Greninja Ash's Stand now?
>>140536706
There was no reason to keep May around after Hoenn was done either. Are you even reading what you're writing?
>>140537018
>>140537023
Because Battle Frontier and Hoenn were part of the same series. Yes, Ash and company did leave Hoenn, but it was still part of the same show. The Advanced Generation run still hadn't officially concluded yet. May left once that run had concluded and was replaced by Dawn.
And besides, no one wants to see Tripokalons overstay their welcome.
>>140523044
>underlevels all his Pokemon and he just tosses everything in one after another hoping for the best and ends it all with Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard, which is his only Pokemon that's decently leveled
Pretty much what everyone did in the games
>>140537147
>Because Battle Frontier and Hoenn were part of the same series.
Again, Battle Frontier even if they were kept as part of the same thing were separate because of the games. Battle Frontier was added to AG but in reality AG was done, just extended with BF.
>And besides, no one wants to see Tripokalons overstay their welcome.
Now see, this sounds like a personal thing.
>>140537297
Unfortunately, it doesn't make for very interesting battles.
>>140537147
And the Orange Islans was not only pat of the same series, but th same gen, an still replaced Brock.
You stopped making sense long ago anon. Just wait and see hat happens instead of insisting you know everything ahead of time.
>>140537326
Okay, smart guy, then explain why they wrote the scene where Yashio offers to take Serena in. Why does that scene exist? Why is the offer still available even after Serena declined for the moment? If they weren't gonna use it, then what was the point of that? They could have just had her give Serena advice and left it at that, but they actually created a compelling reason for her to stay in Kalos while Ash left for whatever region's gonna be in Sun & Moon.
>>140537147
what you're talking about with serena is essentially may and hoenn not counting battle frontier.
>>140537479
What I'm talking about are the individual series.
>>140537526
Yeah, May stayed on the entirety of AG, just like Dawn stayed on the entirety of DP, and just like Brock stayed on the entire- oh
>>140537435
You mean besides Serena having something to fall back in case they need to take her off for some other reason?
I mean hell, Hilda not existing in anime form is a thing, you've had characters lasting longer and at the same time you have a character that's about as close to her gen as the protagonist is to his.
>>140537693
Also, Yashio was introduced in episode 60, which was written around the time episode 35 aired on TV. They had no idea at the time how the character, her development and her quest would be received.
>people still think Serena will stick around
I don't know how you guys manage to stay so optimistic when they have switches female leads 4 times already. Not even Brock that seemed untouchable could stay for the entire run of the Anime. Ash is literally running on empty as a character too. At this point the character isn't even consistent because they are shuffling him around almost a new. OS->AG(from what I've read)->DP was natural as far as progression went. Then they jumped the shark with BW then again with XY by giving him a 180 switch in his character.
But back on the track of the subject Serena has literally signed a one stay-at-home ticket since tripokalon were announced to be kalos only. Just be happy it isn't something as absurd as the reason why Dawn didn't follow Ash and Brock.
>>140538382
>Then they jumped the shark with BW then again with XY by giving him a 180 switch in his character.
XY's been the natural progression of what should have been from DP onwards. BW was pretty much the anomaly because they tried going for reboot like the games did.
As for tripokalons, they were never mentioned as a kalos only thing. All they mentioned is that they happen in kalos but that's the same case with contests and hoenn.
>>140538382
There were a number of factors for why Dawn didn't follow Ash. The first is that Ash was on break for a while after Sinnoh. He was home for a while and didn't have on going on any journey for the immediate foreseeable future. That's why at the beginning of BW, Ash was still at home with his mom, and they were planning to go on vacation with Professor Oak.
>>140538599
Eh. From what I can tell, the only reason tripokalons exist is because there aren't any Pokemon contests or shit like that in Kalos, so they had to make shit up. So if Sun and Moon have some side crap for the protagonist to do like those, then there's no point in bringing tripokalons back. It's basically just a shittier Contest anyway.
>>140536840
Different anon, I don''t give a flying fuck whether or not she looks different from in game or not, none of the femtagonists looked one to one to the games counterpart, and they all fucking left in the end. No matter what, you're going to sound desperate to say she's going to stay, when there's too many times the girl got cucked for the next Gen's one. Just you wait, she's getting cucked and that's that. I don't have proof she's 100% gone, but there's more proof of time she's likely to die off than stay because of muh waifu.
>>140538756
>Cucked
By who? Adventure? Can you get cucked by adventure? Because adventure will always be Ash's one true love.
>>140504951
K den
>>140538746
Tripokalons were ORAS contests with the whole idol twist.
>>140538756
>none of the femtagonists looked one to one to the games counterpart
The femtagonists had a high resemblance to their game counterparts. With Serena they completely removed that.
>>140538599
>that's the same case with contests and hoenn.
Yet Dawn came along and may was dropped, nah mean? You may theorize all you want and reason why Serena will stay but pokemon is a simple and predictable product. The pattern calls for Serena to leave so she will. The next pokegirl will come about with a new catch. God knows what it will be since they have used up most tropes but they will find a way.
>>140539030
It's pretty much just a talent show, just like contests. Only unlike the contests from past episodes, there's no battling, meaning it's automatically shittier.
>>140539101
The whole patterns thing is what led to Iris and BW and people know how well that went.
So exactly why are people coming stomping in and acting like anyone has every claimed Serena is guaranteed to stay, again? When have anyone ever said anything along those lines ANYWHERE?
>>140539223
So, what, you think Dawn should have stayed?
>>140539223
1 in 5 being misses is not bad. Maybe this time they can give us a cute not bitchy brown girl.
>>140539433
It's one of /vp/s Anime thread buttons and the discussion was already going on when I got here so...
>>140539558
Scrolling up, I see the discussion started with this pretty blatant shitpost >>140532583
And I don't think anyone on /vp/ have ever insisted she's "obviously staying" either.
>>140539702
I've read a few posts claiming she will when I lurk there from time to time. I'm not really sure anymore but I was under the impression that most did believe she would stay.
>>140539558
I thought it was 2/5 because of Misty. As for brown girls, there's Shauna.
>>140539878
Misty was OK for her time. As I kid I never really thought of her as bad but I haven't revisit older episodes aside from the johto league. Shauna is meh desu. I want a girl that is constantly part of the group not just appear in episode 50 then appear 6 more times.
>>140539803
I've never seen a single posts there claiming she's definitely staying. People hoping she will, sure, people discussing the possibility, sure, but never anyone saying she's OBVIOUSLY staying. Anywhere, neither on /vp/ not on /a/.
All I've seen are just random shitposters claiming that people are saying this and talking about delusions and delicious tears because it's 100% obvious she's leaving.
She might be leaving. She might be staying. We don't know. Acting like we now what's going to happen is just being a smug faggot for the sake of it.
>>140540066
Welcome to 4chan.
>>140540141
Well yeah, obviously. My point was just that I've never seen anyone claim she's obviously staying, just a lot of smug retorts to these non-existent claims. Ones that claim the exact opposite is obviously happening, at that.
>>140516647
>OHKO a fucking jolteon with thunderbolt
It's funny because that's literally only possible if Rhyhorn is lvl100 assuming his Jolteon is lvl25.
>>140540066
You haven;t been here when that one thread that appeared on /a/ when this moment first appeared and 90 fucking % said she'd stay.
Just doing sound smug yourself that "no one is saying this" cause there ARE people saying this.
>>140540384
I literally said "I've never seen", anon.Link me?
>>140540384
Sure you aren't confusing "endgame" for "staying" Jamal?
>>140540384
I remember that thread and don't remember anyone there saying anything like that.
I'll be honest. I love Serena, I think she's cute. But I don't really think she and Ash have any real chemistry. If Pokemon were a romcom, Serena would be the one who everyone roots for but deep down know that she's bound to lose due to her lack of chemistry with the protagonist.
>>140543680
Compare to Ash and Dawn for instance. I don't even really ship these two, but I think they had great chemistry as friends. I think it might have something to do with the fact that Brock was such a nonentity in that show that Ash had no choice but to interact heavily with Dawn, and the writers worked hard to make sure that they clicked.
But Ash and Serena have little of that. I think they lack a solid foundation. In fact, I'd say Ash has better chemistry with Clemont.
>>140543680
>>140544443
Sure you're not just shipping Ash and Dawn even though they both friendzoned each other?
>>140545834
Nah. I'd say the two of them are more best friends than anything.
What I'm talking about is when the characters talk and interact with each other. It's not about mimicking movements, but whether they really click in their interactions. Ash clicked with May, he clicked with Dawn, he had, well, "something" with Iris I guess, and he clicks with Clemont. But I don't feel he clicks with Serena all that much. The relationship between Ash and Serena feels much too one-sided. I feel like Ash's other relationships are more concrete, that they have more weight to them. Even Ash and Paul had more chemistry, even if most of it was just mutual animosity for the longest time that eventually matured into respect.
With May and and especially with Dawn, there was this mutual support thing going on, with Ash supporting Dawn as the senior trainer, and Dawn supporting Ash as best as she could in exchange. Basically, this sort of "I pull you, you pull me" relationship. So by the end, it really felt like these two were best friends. They even had a gesture of friendship in the form of high fives (DP's second OP was literally named after this and was pretty much entirely about their friendship). May had some of that too, but like I said, it was less pronounced.
>>140546949
Clemont might be a better comparison, though. Like Serena, Clemont singled out Ash as a goal to aim for and that ends up fueling most of their interactions. Clemont admires Ash, and as a result he tries his best to be someone whom Ash could consider an equal. It's somewhat one-sided, but he's very proactive about it. And because he's so straightforward, he and Ash have an easy time of seeing things eye-to-eye. There's a strong sense of mutual understanding between them. This culminates in their gym battle, where Clemont is finally standing on equal footing with Ash, and their battle is representative of their friendship.
But with Serena, she's way more passive and has a hard time interacting with Ash at times. It doesn't really seem like they see the same things. It's more like Serena's always looking at Ash while Ash is always facing somewhere else. They're never really looking at each other on equal footing. It's like Serena is always a step behind Ash and she's content in just standing there. This is terrible for character interactions especially for somewhat as straightforward and honest as Ash. As a result, they have poor chemistry.
Both Clemont and Serena are driven by personal admiration for Ash, but the polar opposite ways they go about it puts them in completely different places. There's also Shota, who's also driven by admiration for Ash, but since he's Ash's rival, it means they end up clashing a lot in the form of battle, which is really ideal for Ash.
I think one of these days, Ash and Serena really need to battle it out. Or rather, I think they kinda need to battle in order to make any progress at all.
>>140546949
This. Fucking this. This is how I felt about the femtags in the past, didn't even cared about "shipping" for them, they just worked well together because BOTH grow together as the show went on.
>>140546949
>>140547091
It sounds more like you're saying that you don't like Ash and Serena's interactions when you say "chemistry".
Ash and Serena actually do have that mutual support you're talking about. Ash motivates Serena and gives her the strength to do things while with Ash when everything falls out of order for him the person he turns to is Serena. The mirrored movements is also about how they actually use the other as an anchor. A lot of the things you describe isn't needed for Ash and Serena because they already have that.
>>140547683
The thing to me is they never feel like equals. Everyone else was able to stand with Ash on equal footing, but Serena never even tries. Ash is always looking forward while Serena is looking at Ash from behind. I'm not expecting deep or meaningful relationships from a children's show, but the lopsided nature of their relationship is kind of boring to watch.
The worst part of it is that so much of their relationship is built on Serena's one-sided relationship with Ash. It's literally impossible for them to stand on the same footing as long as Ash is completely unaware of Serena's feelings, but since Serena's apparently satisfied with where she's at in Ash's life, it means that there's almost no chance of any progress being made. It's impossible for them to see eye-to-eye because Ash will probably never be allowed to comprehend Serena's feelings. How on Earth could they possibly stand as equals in that kind of situation?
And yes, maybe I am biased. I don't care for romcom relationships where a heroine stands around quietly admiring the protagonist and never takes a single step forward. It's irritating when a heroine makes a big deal about holding hands with the guy when the reality of the situation is that their relationship hasn't moved forward in the slightest. I do think Serena's cute and all, but as long as she has that one-sided crush on hers, they will never be able to truly see eye-to-eye and they will never stand as equals.
>>140547498
Misty and Iris don't even apply to that notion.
>>140548031
Everyone else stands on supposed equal footing with Ash meanwhile who Ash actually turns to is back to Serena. Alexa points this out when Ash is having his rematch with Viola and they also have Ash behaving differently with Serena. As a matter of fact, he even puts his things on hold for Serena when normally he try doing his thing first and Serena tries doing Ash's things first because she knows he rushes forward.
Ash doesn't know Serena likes him but he holds her as someone more important to him than other people. They serve as one another's anchor when they need something to give them strength.
>>140548045
I was only referring to May and Dawn, as that anon mentioned. I said femtags in the past, that meant May and Dawn.
I think Serena as a character isn't one thing that's bad on it's own merits, but coming from all Gens of Pokemon, she's not the best example of "chemistry" characters can have that works for the characters themselves, not self inserting yourself as a basis to avoid bias. It may just be a preference, it might vary to one to another on opinion, but as a whole, Ash had better when it comes from his said of view towards the girls perspective.
>>140548955
progression is the reason why the XY anime is doing good. Serena staying as a travel companion and let's face it. People here won't mind her if she wasn't openly gunning for Ash. the only real reason why people don't like Serena staying is because they're previousgen shippers.
>>140549102
Serena staying is an example of going beyond tropes and preferring progression.
>>140548955
Wouldn't it just be easier saying you don't like her interactions with Ash?
>>140549102
>the only real reason why people don't like Serena staying is because they're previousgen shippers.
Nah, I just hate all shipping period.
>>140549303
then you don't get that Serena staying would stop people from shipping Ash with another person? because that would definitely happen if she stays.
>>140549388
Shipperfags are the absolutely worst people right now and they invade every aspect of discussion and right now they're worse in all ways than ever before because Serena's crush is canon.
Literally anything is better than this. Ideally, the next girl would have absolutely no hints of attraction at all between Ash or maybe even better just be with someone else already.
And there, now the X% of people who are only watching because of Serena crush subplot and can't/refuse to talk about anything else and go on and on about amourshipping and do nothing but post fanfiction about it are instantly wiped out, making everything better.
>>140549611
>So basically recycling the same old trope is better than letting her stay
spoken like a true shipperfag.
>>140549611
>May
>Iris
>>140549611
It's basically the same case before NS got BTFO'd like hell.
Everyone was crying "S-she'll be turned down"
>>140504951
Got to reset him right at the beginning of every season.
>>140549611
none of the prior girls were that. It's just Serena that's openly said that she likes Ash.
>>140549185
Moreso, it doesn't feel natural for the show in question, and I'd prefer if she fell for him as they got to bond together first. Like, as said before, how May and Dawn did it.
>>140549102
Stop. Please. Just stop. Stop saying "Serena haters don't like her because I'm a Mistyfag". I don't care about Pokemon for "love", and I don't like Misty compared to better girls that appeared on the show.
>Ash wins League
>people think it's the end of the anime
>Gary shows up and asks Ash to join him in an adventure
>Serena tags along
>Anime finally has notRed,notGreen and notBlue on the same travelling party.
And people don't want her to stay?
yfw ash becomes the serena to the new girl next season
>>140549873
>Genwunner detected.
I didn't say misty.
>>140549873
I don't see how it feels unnatural.
>>140549980
It would literally kill people if Serena showed up in original Blue's getup.
>>140536479
Huh. I wrote a self-insert fanfic about that when I was twelve.
Good to know I predicted Pokemon canon 13 years ago.
>>140536479
why hasn't there been a Matrix Evolution edit for Ash/Greninja?
>>140549864
Yeah, that's the point, things should just go back to how they were at the least, instead of the writers adding fuel to the fire like they did with Serena.
Well, it's really not a problem with the show, but what seems to be the majority of people who watch the show.
Of course, it would be cool if romance or crushes could be another part of the show without people sperging out about it like they do now. But it seems that can't be the case, just think about just how many times has that image of Ash falling on top of Serena been posted since it was in the preview?
>>140550212
you're chickening out of the progress?
People joke about Ash being a perma-10 year old and when he has a shot at maturity you're suddenly afraid because muh shippers?
Not progressing this is going to be similar to the Finn situation with AT.
>>140550212
You're describing every show in existence.
>>140550277
Funny you should bring that up because that went straight down the shitter when they introduced all he relationship drama with Flame Princess.
