>80s anime: Great
>90s anime: Great
>2000s anime: shit, by and large
>2010s anime: Great
Why? So many shows from the early 2000s aged like milk. They sound like ass, have poor direction, odd pacing, washed out backgrounds, and poor animation in general.
Why the difference?
I feel like there's a noticeable disparities in shows from say 2004 and 2012, the least of which being technical.
What was the first "modern" anime that set the stage for the way current shows are? Was it something like FLCL or Haruhi?
I think that was more of a 2000-2005 thing and it's because that switch to digital did not go over very smoothly
Fullmetal Alchemist still holds up today imo
It was because of the transition to digital over traditional animation
>>140460121
>>80s anime: Great
>>90s anime: Great
You must be a nostalgiafag
>>140460121
>I don't watch enough anime, please rape my face
>>140460248
You must be 12.
>>140460121
Did the economy factor into this at all?
>>140460121
I disagree that anime today is great.
anime didn't get good until idols
Because animation technology in the late 90s, early 2000s was in a sort of uncanny valley.
>>140460121
If you talk about production values its probably because it was during the last stages of the transition from traditional animation to modern procedures we had many weird abuses of CGI, cell shading and such mixed in between with old school stuff and while it was innovative enough to create some surprise back then in retrospective it looks weird as fuck.
That being said most 2010's anime is steaming shit writting wise. 2000's may look like a mess but it still had many memorable shows that became modern classics of the medium and that are still being imitated today.
>>140460711
>2000's may look like a mess but it still had many memorable shows that became modern classics of the medium and that are still being imitated today.
I mean I'm pretty sure someone will say the same thing about the 10s in 2026 too anon
>>140460121
>selection bias, the post
in the 80s and 90s they produced shit too. but due to the lack of torrents you never saw any of it.
And even the shitty stuff you saw back then you've probably forgotten by now. Like i recall there being some very bad mecha harem thing on tv around '99, but i can't remember its name.
80s and 90s had shit anime too, they just never saw the light of day in the western world
Now with things like internet,youtube and streaming people have more and more options which means you also discover the shittier anime
UGUU
>>140460849
Probably this decade is filled to the brim with shit but there are some memorable shows regardless and there are still 4 years to await for another miracle gem so yeah.
At least i'm convinced Kill la Kill will be remembered as one of the big ones from this decade.
>>140460121
>What was the first "modern" anime that set the stage for the way current shows are?
Lucky Star
>>140460121
You're wrong and you're a faggot.
How would you know?
The only 80s/90s anime you probably know are the few shows handpicked by big TV companies like cartoon network and fox
>>140462165
A big example but i think Haruhi just before that set a stronger example. There are lots of anime even to this day trying to be 2006's Haruhi. Heck, even Haruhi sequels try and fail to be 2006's Haruhi.
>80s anime: Great
>>140460121
Except the 00s had a huge amount of very high quality anime, you fucking imbecile. Even during the period of transition from cel to digital animation there were several shows that stood out.
Just look at all that animation.
>There are people on /a/ who DON'T like 80s and 90s anime
>>140462956
you missed the point. some of us just don't generalize from "some great shows" to "everything was golden".
The modern age started with Haruhi, it's where the line between old and new anime is drawn, and when the "early 2000s" end. Haruhi represents the end of blurriness, the picture quality finally reaches a modern standard after years of blur. Haruhi also represents one of the early LN adaptations, that would come to dominate the industry, and it was an overall important anime.
Of course anime has changed since Haruhi too, but it represents one of the most visible epoch shifts in anime history.
Are you even talking about looks? Because yes early 2000s look really bad while 90s and 80s look great. 2010s often look generic but that may simply be because Iæm much more exposed to that, and at least it doesnæt look bad like the early 2000s anime.
>>140464255
There are lots of anime that were LN adaptaions before haruhi, like Slayers
And haruhi is not the first digital anime, please youre embarassing yourself
>>140462165
Like anybody fucking remembers Lucky Star anymore
>>140462148
>At least i'm convinced Kill la Kill will be remembered as one of the big ones from this decade.
Unfortunately. It's TTGL for babbies
>>140464442
Of course not, not with the new hotness that is Non Non Biyori.
>tfw you don't care about animation quality whatsoever and can enjoy anime from every era
Feels good, man.
>>140466381
A lot of older shows tend to have better storytelling so you can ignore the shitty animation.
>>140464419
>hurr i didnt even read the post but i'll be a contrarian faggot just because
Fuck off, retard.
>>140466253
But TTGL is mecha for babies.
Would that make KLK TTGL for embryos?
Eh, OP is right to a certain extent. I'm watching Magical Nyan Nyan Taruto from my backlog right now and if memory serves it was released in 2000. Its cute, make no mistake, but between the animation and the pacing I'm not as into it as I would like to be. Its like a sloppy precursor to SOL anime and its not hard to see how series from that time period influenced what we have now. I'm not even the biggest fan of SOL but I can tell you that they're handling it a lot better now.
Buuut there are a few 00's anime that were decent to good. Sakura Wars was released in 2000 as well and while I wouldn't call it the pinnacle of mecha anime, the animation was for the most part pretty good and I think its one of the series that handled the start of digital animation the best. Something else worth noting is that OVA's were still very much a big part of the scene back then to the point where they still outnumbered TV anime but you can definitely see the point where they started to slow down and then decrease. The 00's were an overall transitional period for the industry and that shows.
>>140461627
This. Anyone who looks back through past season charts can see that the 80's and 90's had their fair share of shit too. I got into anime for real in the late 90's/early 00's but I love going back in time and watching shit from before I was even born. People love to bitch about the over abundance of moe right now but what they fail to recognize is that mecha had a death grip on the industry for, give or take, two decades. Mecha was the cash cow of the past and there are plenty of mediocre to bad shows to prove that they were spitting out just about anything, same as they are with moe now. It seems like mecha started to dwindle in the mid to late 90's and I think that has something to do with the spike in questionable anime in the early 00's because all of a sudden they couldn't rely on the same thing as before so there was more experimental shit.
Mark my words, moe will go through the same phase. Right now its easy money but perhaps in another decade or so its going to be replaced by something else. Theres no way to tell what that will be but trust me when I say that we're going to go through another rocky period while the industry tries to 'find itself'.
>>140466629
Addressing discrepancies is now being contrarian?
>2010s anime: Great
There were a lot of 00-05 anime that were great. Hell, I've seen more anime in that time period more than the 90s.
I feel like a lot of early 00s shows are sort of bleak and strange for the sake of it. Sometimes it worked and those are memorable today, sometimes it just didn't. Stuff like Alien Nine, RahXephon, the largely forgotten Neo Ranga and Noein just feel so unmistakably 00s. When I think back to movies at that time they were all psychological like with some horrid blue filter.
Why do so many late 90s and early 2000s shows have those non-distinct washed-out, water color-y backgrounds with light colors?
>>140467746
Technology
Learnt how to use adobe flash to draw cartoons.
>>140467225
Don't forget the dozens of "MC encounters mysterious girl at night, next day she transfers into his school and they fight monsters together" shows.
>>140460121
>>140468365
There is no nostolgia expressed in that post.
>>140460248
>2010s anime: Great
And you can't read.
>>140461938
Well, this.
Most stuff (and I admitt most stuff I like and enjoy) is rather mediocre and will be forgotten after a while.
Only the crappiest and best (or often "best selling") will be remembered for longer.
>>140461627
>some very bad mecha harem thing
Was it Candidate for Goddess?
I remember how we trashed it.
>>140468578
>There is no nostolgia expressed in that post.
It does when he thinks that 80s and 90s were a flaw free era especially if he only experienced the best of the best of that time and probably never experienced watching along the horrid shows like Gundam, Cyperpunk and Slayers ripoffs that suffocated creativity back then.
anime was in quite a crisis back then and only kyoani/shaft proved anime was still something worth investing into
>>140468862
>It does when he thinks that 80s and 90s were a flaw free era especially
OP was speaking in generalities, hence "by-and-large." No shit there's exceptions to the rule.
>>140468794
Same for me. Series i enjoy the most are ''shitty'' sol like Re-Kan.
'01-'10 was the peak of moe, artistically. There's more of it now but it's far less creative and is reliant on gimmicks to make it stand out rather than quality.
>>140468995
>OP was speaking in generalities
If we are speaking about generalities then anime quality hasn't changed much. One whole decade of anime doesn't deserve the label 'shit'
>>140468862
Every era has its flaws, but older eras are naturally more exempt from criticism because the river of time is like a sieve, only the acclaimed things remain and the shit just stays forgotten.
Not every Renaiisance artist was Michelangelo or Da Vinci and not every Enlightenment philosopher was Kant, but nobody gives a shit about those who didn't leave their mark.
People always forget about that and that's where the unrestrained nostalgia comes from.
>>140467225
>spike in questionable anime
You mean all the ecchi or the weird stuff?
>>140460121
Does anyone have the webm of Ayu spinning?
>>140468862
>Slayers ripoffs
For real?
Jesus.
I like threads like this, here I can read about experiences from people who watched animu before I could even hope to have proper access to anything in my rural village. I can somewhat see how tings changed.
I know that Slayers was very popular, but I wasn't aware that it had rip-offs, much less a flood of them.
>>140469390
Maybe not Slayers ripoff but a large number of anime had a Fantasy D&D/Sword and Sorcery setting back then.
>>140469390
every very popular will inspire rip-offs.
can someone recommend me a new anime to watch? I dont like like romance btw
anime i have seen http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Soldeus
>>140468862
I can somewhat say where he's coming from:
early 2000s animu, varied as it was, had a very certain "feeling" to it (essentially a mixture of storytelling, style, animation, running gags etc - every epoch has this).
I can still see it when watching shows from them, they simply had some certain atmosphere which propably strikes a very wrong chord with our OP, that's why he likes newer stuff, too.
I don't feel the same, however.
>>140469652
>OPM, SnK, TTGL that high
>Mushishi that low
>80's anime
>90's anime
>great
I want this meme to end.
http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Ruggarell
>>140468827
Oh yeah. I think it was the first anime I ever dropped.
>>140470169
Who is this faggot and does he get linked to all the time on /a/.
>>140470056
i found mushishi too formulaic. by all means it wasnt bad but it wasnt for me.
>>140470122
>old anime is bad
End yourself, anon.
>>140469652
absolutely normalfag
>>140467225
>Right now its easy money
Is it though?
>>140470328
yee, not into waifuism but still i need some recommendations.im bored
>>140470203
OPM and TTGL are also formulaic.
>>140470383
>>140470552
cant argue with that, but mushishi just wasnt for me
>>140470386
Not him, but considering it's cheap production and a guarantee to at least sell enough, yeah. Every now and then one will hit it big though
>>140469652
I smell a tryhard
>>140471326
> it's cheap production and a guarantee to at least sell enough
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>140460121
90s anime were disgusting trash save for Digimon.
>>140473494
He'd have to actually define "moe anime" first.
>>140460484
The first idol, Minmay feature in Macross in 1980 or 79 or some shit. So basically anime got good 10 years after anime was born and has been good ever since.
>>140473494
No statistical fact, just the fact they continue to make it. Industry fads wouldn't have become fads if it didn't sell enough. Key word, enough. If every "moe" show hit studios with losses they wouldn't be making it. That's not to say every one makes a profit or even breaks even, but let's just think with some basic business sense. If a combination of BD/DVD sales, LN/manga/whatever the source is for adaptations, wasn't profitable, businesses won't support it. And just breaking even all the time without making a profit isn't enough. So yeah, I'm not citing sales numbers here so take my words with a few grains of salt, but I believe it's fair to assume if moe has been a big presence on the market for a while now, in all likelihood there's been a degree of commercial success. And not everything made is made with the intention of breaking sales records, but I don't think I have to tell anyone this. So again, it makes enough to continue being made industry-wide
>>140460121
It was when the digital switch over was happening so no real surprise, kind of comparable to today's rotoscoping which looks garbage but once it has been handled better like digital now it'll look less shit.
>>140474264
So I agree with basically everything in this post, but I don't think it backs up the easy money claim. It just means exactly what you said - that these shows make enough to continue being made. As does every other kind of show that continues to be made. That doesn't mean much, especially in an industry with as low a standard for success rates as anime.
>>140460121
Have you ever heard of the pasteurization process? Back in the late '90s/early 2000's, animators did a full switch over from cel animation to digital animation. Unlike their American counterparts, most Japanese animators had never tried using digital animation. Fortunately, they were able to master it in less than 10 years. During that same period, character designers tried to bet on who could draw the biggest possible eyes.
>>140460121
>>140464255
>>140462280
I wonder what anime would be like today if Haruhi didn't ruin everything.
>>140475204
As I was saying, over the 2000's decade, Japanese animators decided to stop pasteurizing the fuck out of anime, and learnt how to make stuff like cheese and yoghurt using digital animation.
>>140460121
>80s anime: Okay
>90s anime: Okay
>00s anime: Okay
>10s anime: Okay
Why? So many shows are like spoiled milk. They sound like ass, have poor direction, odd pacing, washed out backgrounds, and poor animation in general.
Why the difference?
I feel like there's a noticeable disparities in shows which are say "bad" and "good," the least of which being technical.
What was the first "good" anime that set the stage for the ways good shows are? Was it something like Lupin III or Cutey Honey?
>>140475773
I think Tale of the White Serpent was the first thing that looks like modern anime. I think it was 1960? Maybe earlier.
