I watched Kaiji, and I'm just now getting into One Outs. You know how shounen is known as the power of friendship? Seinen should be known as the power of hating your boss. The old man is always the villain. The entire genre is a power play of overcoming your boss.
>seinen
>genre
>genre
Sorry, not on my toppest weeb. What is seinen considered, if not a genre?
You know shounen and seinen are demographics right?
>>140435394
Yes.
Toua is the most badass MC ever.
>>140435378
Follow the rules and don't make threads then.
>>140435394
Yeah, they're genres aimed at demographics.
>>140435467
Agreed, because he is beating our big, mean boss. I like the underdog!
>>140435527
This. Now fuck off, trolls.
That's really all you got out of Kaiji? Kaiji, being the self-insert for regular Japanese men, overcoming his boss?
>>140435644
Yes. As One Outs says: "Japanese people will always wait. That is their greatest weakness."
>>140435692
I can hardly believe it. I thought the show makes it pretty clear that Kaiji's greatest enemy is himself.
>>140435724
>>140435724
Uh, yeah. Hence the quote. Japanese people are their own biggest enemies.
>>140435784
Your statements are contradictory. Kaiji's enemy isn't his boss and the show isn't about overcoming him. If anything, the show's message is about looking inward and not outward. That's not the escapism you imply that it is.
>>140435867
The entire second half is about him outsmarting that old guy. I don't remember what their relation is, but it might as well be boss vs. employee. This is the essence of seinen.
>>140435116
why is it that whenever i watch a old ｃａｒｔｏｏｎ someone makes a thread about it here
>>140435927
I saw someone else talking about seinen series, so small world.
>>140435116
(You)
>>140435976
Finally, thank you.
>>140435915
>I don't remember what their relation is
>but it might as well be what it needs to be to confirm my opinion
>>140435915
Tonegawa or Hyodo? Kaji's victory against Tonegawa does not bring him happiness, it causes him to overreach against Hyodo and harm himself for no real gain. Kaiji doesn't really accomplish anything in the entire season because he's his own worst enemy.
>>140436046
Hyodo, duh.
>>140436068
You thought Kaiji outsmarted Hyodo?
>>140435575
>>140435527
Oh wow you retards literally don't know the meaning of words. Its nkt even semantics you just don't know the basic definitions of words.
>>140436119
No. My entire point of this thread is your boss is always one step ahead of you. Let go of the dream, stop watching animes.
>>140435378
Hard to say. Some say "published in so-called seinen magazine = seinen", but I don't buy that. Take One Piece, majority of readership is over 18. Published in Weekly Shounen Jump. Shounen? Seinen? I don't know. I don't care either, it's a pointless term.
>>140436143
>nkt
Fuck you.
>>140436143
Use proper grammar before calling somebody a retard you retard
>>140436214
You missed a comma
:^)
>>140436166
What's your problem with Kaiji then? If anything it's telling the viewer to let go of the dream and look inward. No need to stop watching anime if those are the kind of messages it's giving you.
>>140436262
So did you in your other post
>>140436263
No, the message is that, if you're virtuous enough, you will defeat the evil known as your boss. But this is false. All of Kaiji is a misdirection. The reality is that if you have money, you can decide how fate unravels.
>>140435378
A demographic
>>140436371
Now explain the difference between demos and genres. Do it, faggot. I don't think you can.
>>140436357
You are magnanimously retarded.
>>140436511
>magnanimously
Sorry, you just dug your own grave.
>>140436357
We will just agree to disagree, but I still think you're an idiot.
>>140435116
>Kaiji and One Outs are the only two seinen
You do realize Non Non Biyori is seinen too, right?
>>140436549
Same. Know that you are the bigger idiot tho. ;^)
>>140436408
A demographic is a section of the audience you can try aim your work towards. A Genre is a collection of narrative tropes and convections that help determine the style of writing and plot. You aim for demographics by selecting genres that are popular within those demographics, IE {Crime} Thrillers and Mysteries for 40+ white women who enjoy drinking a lot.
I was not aware that you could be this retarded well done anon, and here's the (You) you're fishing for.
>>140436625
They're literally the same thing. Thank you for solidifying this.
>>140436653
I think the only think that's solidified here is your brain tissue.
>>140436710
That hurts, anon.
>>140436757
I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention. I forget that words can hurt even on 4chan. I apologize.
>>140435116
>I watched two whole series and that gives me full understanding of the genre
>>140435116
>I watched Kaiji
Akagi is the author's far superior work.IF you want the exact setup of Kaiji, but better, then try reading liar game.
>>140436944
Yeah, that's my next read.
>>140436309
Not him, bruh. You're still retarded, though
![[CoalGuys] K-ON!! S2 - 15 [065858E6].mkv_snapshot_07.25_[2010.07.16_21.32.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YH7oZIh.jpg "[CoalGuys] K-ON!! S2 - 15 [065858E6].mkv_snapshot_07.25_[2010.07.16_21.32.jpg")
Where were the evil bosses in K-On!?
>>140437008
>Not him
Sure you aren't
>>140435116
That manager faggot wasn't Tokuchi's "boss". He never even stood a chance against Tokuchi.
>>140435692
To be honest Japan needs that mentality badly, because they respect and trust their elders way too much.
>>140437021
someone shoop a black eye or bruise on her face
>>140436653
You're literally too stupid for words.
>>140435116
I was thinking of giving a sarcastic remark, but then i relize: it's true villains are always Mc boss or older than him
pic related: Guts ex boss
>>140436797
Don't. He deserves to feel bad if he cannot understand the difference between a genre and a demographic.
>>140436653
Let's take it from the top. A genre is an identification method applied to works of fiction, either pre-production by an author trying to write a specific style of story, or post-production by examining the work and determining which genre it matches.
A genre itself is not an objective measure, but a collection of different subsets collected under a broad banner, much like both paracetamol and ibuprofen are both under the broad classification of "medicinal drugs". This includes things like "mysterious strangers" "getting lost in the woods" and "serial killers" to "talking animals" depending on the genre in question.
A demographic is a broad or specific section of the audience, typically used for specific marketing purposes. They can range from "white 20 year olds" to "30-60 year old black women from the deep south with an interest in ttrpg's and sepsis rules". To use an analogy, a demographic is a list of personality or appearance tags that you can use to find specific kinds of people, much like looking for doujins on sadpanda.
Reminder that Japan considers shounen/seinen/shoujo/josei to be genres, and "NO THEY'RE DEMOGRAPHICS" is just an autistic weeb thing.
>>140437297
I may be autistic to you, but I'll have the comfort of being correct.
>>140437187
In other words, you're literally Griffith. Stfu, nothing of human reckoning is good.
>>140437318
No, you have a very pervasive form of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I pray for your mortal form.
This is why TG isn't good or mature enough to be seinen. It's utter "power of friendship" bullshit.
>>140437297
that just means japan is as stupid as the rest when it comes to classifying things. no amount of meaningless autistic labeling is gonna change that
>>140436944
except Kaiji is going somewhere as a series.
Akagi has been stuck in that goddamn mansion longer than Guts was on the boat.
>>140437353
I'd rather you prayed for my immortal form, or perhaps my immortal soul. My mortal form ain't form ain't going to be around for long enough.
>>140437696
Idgaf. Just read Berserk.
>muh demographic
This meme is older than me. When will it die?
>>140435116
Galko-chan is seinen isn't it? It's good.
So's Wakako Zake.
>>140437788
Explain.
>>140437748
I was already up to date, so how about I do something more productive with my time.
>>140437936
Go ahead.
>>140437853
So are Keion and YrYr
>>140435116
>overcoming your boss
More like overcoming God. Which in real life, really is the ultimate struggle. All suffering is due to God.
There's better seinen than Kaiji though, like Eden: It's An Endless World or Berserk.
>>140436182
You started well with a good argument but then you went full retard.
One Piece is a shonen by every meaning ever used for the term, be it to describe genre, published magazine, readership, tone of the work, and themes it includes.
Seinen may not be a genre, seinen has certain defining traits that can help you clump the category together, in the same way that any time you're watching a shonen you can probably think "Man, this sure is a shonen" when certain things pop up.
>>140435378
OPM, Tokyo Ghoul, Kaiji, Non Non Biyori are all seinen
>>140435116
>You know how shounen is known as the power of friendship? Seinen should be known as the power of hating your boss.
Idiot, stop thinking you're finding "similarities in the seinen genre" just because Kaiji, One Outs and Akagi are similar shows. We already know they have similar qualities.
