Why do so many people deny the relationship Shinji and Asuka have with each other? It's clear that they were written to be a realistic couple who had their faults and ultimately overcame them when they understood eachother at the end of EoE.
>>140165348
Don't really know why people would, TV was clearly Asuka route and the manga was Rei route. Rebuild is doing its own thing and is doing it poorly.
>>140165578
It's just that this place has a ton of Asuka hate at times and I just wanted to find out why.
>>140166115
Because she hates everyone especially herself, and the feeling is mutual.
>>140166115
She was a cunt for a good chunk of the time we see her. She had her reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that her attitude was pretty fucking rough.
>>140166186
That was one of the things she overcame at the End of EoE, she understood herself and that's why she came back. She decided not to hate everyone and give life another chance.
>>140166346
literally on the last minute of the whole story. When we get to see that more mature Asuka we'll reconsider liking her, meanwhile all we get the other 99% of the time is that hate-worthy bitch, so I'll hate her.
>>140166342
True, but she grew as a character in the series and wasn't as much of a cunt by ep 24 and EoE.
>>140166460
By ep 24 she wasn't doing much of anything outside being suicidal and comatose. That said, >>140166452 pretty much says it all. I personally don't hate Red, but its completely understandable why others would. Now Ritsuko, that bitch is a shit 100%.
>>140166460
Because she's a horrible cunt. She deserves everything that happens to her.
>>140166673
The Akagi's went after Rei in a murderous way which is something not even Asuka did, so yeah fuck them. But I kind of feel for Ritsuko, she fell in Gendo's hands since she was fairly young, 19 or 20 I think and it's established that she was fairly naive for her age and he certainly did a number on her.
>>140165348
I think when people deny it it's because many people tend to associate the sexual attraction between them with feelings of love. I mean, let's be honest, Asuka it's supposed to be a very pretty girl. And for Shinji... I guess he has to have something appealing when even Misato liked him. They're both in 'that age', so 2+2... Man, you have to be very delusional to deny that part.
Romantic feelings, however... Don't get me wrong, I like Asuka and Shinji as characters, but in the canon I can only see that, and not romantic stuff going on. I only see two people demostrating they're using each other all the time: one for pleasure/an escape, the another for external validation. Written as a realistic/canon couple? You mean as Kaji/Misato or Gendo/Yui? I have my doubts there.
>>140166115
>>140165348
Because they don't have a relationship that ends in romance. They aren't a couple.
That and Asuka deserves some hate for being a pandering character in every work post 1997 if you ask me, on top of the character being a fucking cunt.
>>140167444
During the show as their relationship degraded I can see your point. But during the instrumentality in EoE they came to the point where they accepted themselves. At the end when Asuka calls Shinji disgusting, it's because she realizes how similar they are. Once they accept themselves they can begin to accept each other, which is what leads me to conclude that there was some sort of romance which may have been hidden by Asuka and Shinji's respective prides and self-hatred.
>>140165578
Didn't the manga end with shinji and asuka meeting up?
>>140168764
it did, but that was kind of out of the blue, because for the most part the manga built more of the Rei/Shinji relationship than the Shinji/Asuka one.
>>140165348
Because reifags want incest porn with a clone of Shinji's mother.
>>140165348
Fuck off and die shipper. They clearly weren't.
>>>/evageeks/
>>140166706
You deserve a bullet in the head.
>>140168764
They randomly ran into each other at the train station, that's it. Not sure how some considered that a victory.
>Asuka shippers
>>140169875
Can't win if you're dead. Shinjibowl is a bloodsport, it's last man standing who wins.
>>140169990
>Can't win if you're dead
Please. There was never such rule established.
>>140168925
Reifag here, the incest angle is a whole matter unto itself, but I was more than happy with potential sibling bond they might have developed.
Best ends are
Sibling ReixShin and Asuka hookup
or
ReixShin hookup with Asuka fembro
I just wanted these damn kids to be happy together.
>>140170055
it's how it works. If a boxer has landed more punches but gets KOed he lost.
>>140170195
You'll have to take it up with Anno, not me. Just stating the facts here.
>>140170128
ReixShin hookup with Asuka fembro > Sibling ReixShin and Asuka hookup, both are good though.
Shinji is gay.
>>140170253
Fact is he's dead.
>>140170383
There are other boys in the sea, and Asuka is not one of them.
>>140170467
Please, Asuka is more of a man than Shinji or Kaworu ever were.
>>140170531
Shinji needs a providing man. Asuka is ruled by her psychological menses.
>>140168524
I don't want to write a textwall but http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/16288/Asuka-Langley-Soryu-Long-Analysis-HPD-Validation/ this thread summarizes a great part of my thoughts about their characters and relationship, even when I disagree at some parts.
>inb4 EvaGeeks
they can be useful sometimes, specially as an archive even if you have to double-check stuff before anything. Sometimes there are good discussions too, as the above one.
>>140171432
No, there aren't.
>Why do so many people deny the relationship Shinji and Asuka have with each other?
I have never denied the fact that Shinji and Asuka have a very strong relationship as very close friends bordering on siblings. Why can you can only gain meaning from their relationship by making it a cut and dry romantic coupling?
>>140172138
Kaworu and Asuka are two characters whose popularity is entirely dependent on shipping.
Kaworu because his entire presence in the show is dedicated to Shinji.
Asuka because she fared so poorly in every other category that the only victory for this character is that it was alive at the end.
>>140170383
Fact is he's the only one Shinji loves.
Asuka surviving Shinji trying to kill her does not change that.
>>140172603
>Kaworu because his entire presence in the show is dedicated to Shinji.
That's not a bad thing, that's just the role he's been given in the show. And it worked well.
Shipping Asuka and Shinji is just fan's wish-fulfillment and desire to make Eva out to be some harem bullshit.
>>140171432
Arguing with crackshippers is a lost battle, anon. They will disregard the canon and staff words to not destroy their fantasies after all.
>>140165348
>realistic couple who had their faults and ultimately overcame them
They were just horny teens who lusted after each other due to close proximity but had shitty social skills
>>140173384
>trying to kill her
He was affirming if he was truly out of instrumentality by seeing if Asuka survived. It's he stops when he gets a reaction.
>>140173468
>That's not a bad thing, that's just the role he's been given in the show. And it worked well.
Maybe you're not getting it. That's his entire character, in other words he has no character. While you're slamming Asuka fans for engaging in escapism, Kaworu's entire existence IS escapism.
For Asuka fans believing in a ship (that doesn't exist), or Kaworu fans believing in a ship (that doesn't exist), there is no difference. They are both doing the same thing only with different characters.
>>140173535
Nigga, if you choke someone you're trying to kill them. Even Asuka's original dialogue confirms Shinji had the full intent of killing her if she didn't react.
"I'll never be killed by someone like you!"
>>140173384
>Fact is he's the only one Shinji loves.
that's not really true, he just wast the only one capable of signaling he loved him back.
>>140173676
>that's not really true
Shinji says he loves Kaworu three times in the canon. It's true, and nothing you say will ever invalidate that.
He never shows indication of loving Asuka or having any romantic feeling for her, there's only sexual lust, something Asuka herself yells at him on in EoE.
All you have to back up your ship is fanfics and speculation on what happens after what we see in EoE. What's already been established as from where the show/movie ends the only one Shinji loves romantically is Kaworu.
>>140165348
Finally, somebody understands.
>is still a Reifag
>>140173957
>>140173676
>>140173384
>>140173975
>>140170253
Sadly proving that all Kaworufans and Asukafans base their existence on is shipping. If Kaworu fans can't believe that Shinji loves Kaworu, his existence is void. If an Asuka fan can't believe Shinji loved Asuka, then he is left with Soryu and her failures.
>>140174051
>If Kaworu fans can't believe that Shinji loves Kaworu
But he does. It's right here in the show for you.
I agree with you on shipping shit and escapism but this isn't up for debate.
Shinji loving Kaworu is just something that happens in the show and is stating multiple times. Even corroborated by the show's creators.
>>140174051
Textwall kun do you ever stop being a falseful shitter?
>>140174051
Well. Rei's love, asLilith, is eternal. But Evangelion itself was never really about just Angels and the above species. It was all about human interaction drama with mechs doing a lot of the work. I'm still an Asukafag but unfortunate truth is that Shinji is to be shipped with someone else. Just like how Shido from DAL is shipped with Tohka, even though people like other character from it.
>>140174494
I'm Reifag* not Asukafag sonofabitch
>>140174450
>>140174459
Just proving me right there, Asukafan&Kaworufan.
>>140174051
You sound like a butthurt Reifag, pissed that Shinji showed more interest in Asuka and Kaworu than he ever did in Mommy Rei.
>>140174761
Well, I'm glad that posting a screencap of something that happens in the show proves you right.
The one shipping here is the one who's mad about the nature of Kaworu and Shinji's relationship, i.e., you.
>>140174791
No shit, textwall kun is still pissed all these years later that Shinji and Anno didn't find his waifu attractive.Because they have good taste.
>complete shippershit thread
No.
>>140174450
In EoE, Shinji accepts 3rd Impact as something that needs to happen because Rei and Kaworu convinced him to. This statement is indeed true, and is true because At that point Shinji was in, I think only one he was willing to take shit from was Kaworu. [Originally, Lilith changed form from Rei to Kaworu]. I don't ship those two sexually, but you can't deny the fact that Shinji was hopeless without Kaworu
>>140174934
Marifag please go
>>140175032
The reason why Shinji left 3rd Impact was not only because he felt nothing, like he was dead, but also because he had Rei and Kaworu forever in his heart.
Rei, the hope that people can understand eachother.
And Kaworu, the words I love you.
Because of them (And Yui's words), he realized there is hope in living and a chance for him to find happiness. Because of what Rei and Kaworu symbolize for him.
He doesn't move on from them, he has them sealed in his heart forever, he's on that beach in part because of them.
>>140174791
>>140174858
Evangelion is what it is, and what's up for judgement here is your relation to it: both shipping.
You're no different, Asuka makes out with Shinji, and Shinji in a desperate state says he loves Kaworu. Both of you are using that for escapism, because both are equally unreal and fictional.
This is why you as fans only exist due to shipping and escapism.
>>140175213
In a sense, I guess Asukafags say Asuka won because she's the only one left. It still givesme a chuckle every damned time, though.
>>140175340
Asukafags are so retarded they count Shinji trying to kill her or pulling her out of a crowd as a win.
Because they know Shinji would never choose her under normal means, especially if everyone else was alive.
>>140175213
>Rei, the hope that people can understand eachother.
>And Kaworu, the words I love you.
That's a false distinction. both represent both things:
Shinji: I don't mind. But, what are you two within my heart?
Rei: Hope. The hope that people might be able to understand one another.
Kaworu: And the words 'I love you'.
>>140175267
Stating Shinji loves Kaworu isn't shipping, it's just stating what happened in the show.
Also Shinji is always in a desperate state, that doesn't suddenly invalidate his feelings and for you to even suggest that proves you're just a butthurt Reifag shipper.
You can't handle how Shinji treated Rei in the show, you can't handle how Anno validly critiques Rei in real life, and so you use escapism through 4chan by venting like an insane maniac.
>>140175515
No they don't.
Rei's seiyuu only says the one line pertaining to her, and Kaworu's seiyuu only says the one line pertaining to him. They would have said both lines at the same time otherwise.
Kaworu never represents people or understanding people, whereas that's the basis of Rei and Shinji's relationship.
And Rei sure as hell has nothing to do with the words I love you, that's all Kaworu. One of his most famous lines, rather.
It doesn't make sense to tie them together, that's just staple Reifag shipping, trying to steal from Kaworu to make up for their own lack of a ship. It's disgusting behavior.
>>140175515
>>140175641
I highly recommend both of you get to rewatching TV E25 and E26. You could interpret it both way. It's very intentional.
>>140175429
God forbid, Misato had higher chance than Kaworu, too.
>>140175641
>They would have said both lines at the same time otherwise.
Just because you say so? Talking in chorus in not how conversations usually happen, one person extending another's point is more natural.
>Kaworu never represents people or understanding people
except for the fact that when he chooses to die in 24 is because he comes to understand that people need the future while for angels it doesn't really matter.
>And Rei sure as hell has nothing to do with the words I love you
Exept that she died twice because she does love him too.
>>140175759
You can't.
Only a butthurt shipping Reifag would want to interpret the other way despite the seiyuus only saying one line each.
Rei never symbolizes the words I love you to Shinji. Kaworu never represents the hope that people can understand each other.
You're so insecure about Rei's lack of value to Shinji that you have to try and steal from Kaworu to make up for it. Butthurt shipper.
>>140175429
Same could be said for Kaworu. Look at 3.33's debacle, look at how hard they had to work to remove everyone else. In the original everyone is unavailable or unable to deal with each other on an emotionally healthy level before Kaworu appears.
When I watched NGE 16 years ago, there wasn't a romantic conclusion. That hasn't changed, and never will.
We could "what if" the situation to death, but the fact is that you're merely shippers unable to find value in these characters without extra-canonical romantic interpretation.
A Kaworu fan who slams Asuka fans for shipping is inherently hypocritical because Kaworu fans are 99,9% of the time Kaworu fans because of Yaoi shipping.
>>140175529
>Also Shinji is always in a desperate state
No.
>Stating Shinji loves Kaworu isn't shipping, it's just stating what happened in the show.
It's shipping because it is 100% of your contribution and existence to the fandom entirely. Shinji and Kaworu do not end up together in any way whatsoever. He is not even present in the final episode. Asuka and Shinji however, do literally end up together on a beach. A victor is determined by the end of the battle, Kaworu was out long before that.
Therefore pretending they're together or speaking as if Kaworu "won", as you did here: >>140169875
or implicating Asuka shippers, is nothing but pure shipping.
That is how you entered the thread.
>>140175543
Real poor imitation of the somethingawful original you've got there.
>>140175887
>You're so insecure about Rei's lack of value to Shinji
From Shinji's own words:
>I want to meet THEM again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real.
>Butthurt shipper.
you're the one with the name calling.
>>140175879
>>140175515
The lines are:
シンジ「でも、僕の心の中にいる君たちは何？」
レイ「希望なのよ。人は互いに分かり合えるかもしれない、ということの。」
カヲル「好きだ、という言葉と共にね。」
There's no 'we' there like the eng dub put it. Plus both making the lines wouldn't be exactly logical, that's why they're separated: Kaworu was for Shinji 'the first one to tell him he loved him'. Those lines come from Shinji's perception (what are you in my heart?) about them. I think Rei harbored feelings for Shinji, but when the lines come from Shinji's perception... then is another story.
>>140165348
Because Kaworu.
>It's clear that they were written to be a realistic couple
>couple
Christ.
>ultimately overcame them
Jesus fucking Christ.
All this bickering when we have word of God about who Shinji would freely choose.
>>140175887
Not that guy, but Rei's lack of value to Shinji is irrelevant. Rei's and Shinji's values as characters, are.
I think we need to turn this around. Because grammatically speaking, the way the dialogue was delivered in EoE means it applies to both. I definitely agree there's symbolic meaning to Kaworu saying one part and Rei another, because after all, Rei never says "I love you" and Kaworu is more about being ignorant than understanding.
But the way the sentence stands, it does apply for both. It's perfectly normal for any non-shipping person to read and understand it like that. However, only a butthurt Kaworufag such as yourself would take offense at such an interpretation, because Kaworu needs to be the only one for Shinji for your existence as a fan to be justified.
So when Rei didn't love Shinji or vice versa, that other guy and any other non-shipping person who exists would still be here today. But what about you? The others, including the Asuka and Misato fans can have the substance of their characters to love, but Kaworu has none only has shipping. Evangelion concluded in the 90's with EoE, launching the character who I believe everyone in this thread should agree didn't fare well with romancing Shinji right to the top of the popularity polls. By more than double the votes compared to the next Evangelion character.
So in the original story, shipping wasn't the most important factor for it's audience but for Asuka fans and Kaworu fans specifically, it was.
That's why I have to wonder, a Kaworu fan such as yourself who enters the thread by instigating a ship war between Asuka and Kaworu fans, why do you exist if not for shipping? If Shinji didn't care for Kaworu, would you care about Evangelion at all I wonder?
>>140176085
I kind of agree that he's talking with the Rei and Kaworu in his mind/heart whatever, but this being instrumentality I also don't think there's much distinction between the 'Rei & Kaworu in shinji's mind' and the 'true' Rei & Kaworu. That's a scene that happens when there's not much hidden from each person about the others, so he would have a full perspective of Kaworu, Rei and everyone.
>>140176015
No offense but Shinji didn't really care about Rei, nowhere near as much as he cared about Misato and Asuka and even Toji
>>140176085
>>140175515
>>140175879
Clearly is a "共に" in there to me, which is continuing the sentence. Then there's the leading question from Shinji, which queries what they both represent.
>>140165348
Because I don't self-insert.
>>140176216
Obviously all Asuka shippers were born into white trash families.
It's not their fault this is their standard for romantic relationships.
>>140176459
Not that poster but you're clearly just a shipper doing the old ship dance of devaluing every other relationship, be their romantic or not.
"Shinji doesn't care about Asuka/Rei/Misato/Gendo/His Dick! Only Kaworu!"
It's the same thing, what you're saying never has any place in discussion other than to engage in shipper wars.
>>140176527
Shinji cares about Misato, Asuka, and Toji. He didn't really care about anyone else.
>>140176463
Kaworu fans are known for lying about translations to further their ship. Not really surprised our resident autismal shipper kaworufag tried to lie about this one too.
>>140176459
>Shinji didn't care nowhere near as much about Rei as about Misato, Asuka or Toji
>or Toji
if that's the level of delusion it's not even worth arguing with you
>>140176463
共に grammatically connects a sentence to another, because Shinji asks what do each of you represent. Not that they both represent both things.
Or else Rei would still be talking during Kaworu's line and vice versa.
Shinji never even gets the impression Rei loves him, much less that Rei represents the very words that Kaworu said. That Kaworu was the first to say to Shinji.
To interpret otherwise would only be the mind of a shipper.
>>140176508
>Obviously all Asuka shippers were born into white trash families
That's the only explanation.
>>140175879
>Just because you say so?
Because the scene says so.
Rei says one line referring to herself. Kaworu says one line referring to himself.
They aren't tied together.
>is because he comes to understand that people need the future
And what does that have to do with Shinji? Kaworu dies on the sole fact that Shinji and Kaworu didn't come to understand each other.
Rei never says the words I love you to Shinji, Shinji doesn't even know that Rei loves him.
You could perhaps argue both lines can apply to Kaworu, but both lines certainly can't apply to Rei.
>>140175938
There doesn't have to be a romantic conclusion. Shinji chooses to love Kaworu, Anno chooses to portray Shinji loving Kaworu. He never replaces Kaworu with another in that spot all the way until the end of EoE. Even if Asuka is there, despite Shinji almost trying to kill her, Kaworu is still the one he loves, this is confirmed for us in the scene a few minutes before where Kaworu still represents love in Shinji's heart. We have no reason to believe otherwise.
>>140175887
You clearly missed the earlier line where Rei declared to him "this is all in your head". It is Rei speaking to him, at the same time, it's shinji speaking to himself. There's exact same sequence in TV 26. There's reason I say people should never skip TV 26. But you did.
>>140176459
And you need to go play Girlfriend of Steel.
>>140176642
Hey, I'm not the one denying the implications of the sentence, Mr. Kaworu "I lie about translations online to defend my Ship" fan.
>>140175938
The one who is using Eva for escapism is the one who apologetically sexualizes a 14 year old girl like Rei.
Old men pedophiles like you should be shot on sight.
>>140176694
>There doesn't have to be a romantic conclusion.
You claimed the character "won".
If no romantic conclusion needs to be met, then any other *shipper is free to use the existing relationship to build their own fanmade conclusion where it does. Just like you are doing.
>>140176642
He didn't ask 'what each of you represent'
>Shinji never even gets the impression Rei loves him
other than the fact she literally put the world in his hands because of it, and instrumentality means could see everything that was in her heart so as to leave no doubt.
>>140176753
>The one who is using Eva for escapism is the one who apologetically sexualizes a 14 year old girl like Rei.
So is it better if they do it apologetically? Doesnt' seem right to me.
>Old men pedophiles like you should be shot on sight.
Good thing I'm not a pedophile then. But that baseless attack is a big sign I hit the nail on it's head, and it's especially weird coming from a fanbase like EVA's who subsist on sexualizing 14 year olds.
It's been Gainax's business since long before Evangelion was made, and still is the same business today.
>>140176933
I think their business model is tomatos now.
Rei is the best Evangelion girl. Just so it's said.
>>140177036
The tomatoes are a metaphor. Metaphor for reproduction and sex. The tomatoes are picked before ripening fully, i.e they're not mature, a.k.a "the 14 year olds of tomatoes".
Still the same. Nothing ever changes.
>>140177036
>>140177184
Toshino Kyouko, is that you?
>>140176708
The implications about the sentence are that Rei represents the hope, and Kaworu represents the love.
This is established by them speaking only the lines that refer to them.
>>140177244
>This is established by them speaking only the lines that refer to them.
no.
>>140176840
Fanwank. Nowhere in the canon does Shinji realize Rei's feelings, nor associate her with the words I love you. He's screaming bloody murder at her in EoE.
Only Kaworu.
>>140177244
Grammar sez no
>>140177291
Actually Japanese grammar further confirms it.
>>140176699
>And you need to go play Girlfriend of Steel.
Am I the only person that didn't like GoS because of how different Rei is? I mean, I know it's Toast!Rei, the AU and everything, but I have a hard time liking her because of how different to Rei II is. It's for me like another different character. It's cute, but...
>>140177290
Instrumentality's effects aren't fankwank.
>>140177346
You're not the only one. More or less the entire Rei community pretends it doesn't exist.
>>140176799
>You claimed the character "won".
Nigga won Shinji's heart in 5 minutes without even trying.
Kaworu, you suave bastard.
>>140177184
Underrated post.
>>140177346
>>140177383
Rei was meant to be overshadowed. This was before Touji died, before Rei and Shinji had built more lasting relationship, andbest girl same seiyuu
>>140177346
Rei is different in games and all spinoffs like GoS because the Rei fanbase actually doesn't like Rei for how she's presented in the series.
They change her personality so she'll sell more to otaku. They did the same in 2.0.
>>140177184
>Gainax selling tomatoes has subtext
Even without their headliners, Gainax are still masters of 2deep4u
>>140177472
If that were true, we'd observe increased popularity for Rei. We'd observe more fanart of those spinoffs, as we see for other characters.
In all those spinoffs, that part is more or less collectively ignored and as a result, Rei is made less popular.
>>140177472
Rei fans never respond well to those games so I don't see what you're talking about. Whenever I check Rei fanart it's always old-style Rei.
Those games are more made for the Asuka and Kaworu crowd, who are the only ones actually overtly interested in that sort of stuff since their characters don't pan out in the original. Hence >>140177441
and >>140177383
comments that Rei is overshadowed and the Rei community doesn't care.
>>140165578
Sadamoto's manga had an Asuka ending - though it did flesh out Rei's character and her affection for Shinji quite a bit more.
>>140177556
Opposite example for NGE Rei, notice how low "Soryu" goes on the list.
>>140177472
>Rei fanbase actually doesn't like Rei for how she's presented in the series.
It's the creators that don't like OG Rei and keep trying to change her. Reifags are purist and have resisted and resented those changes.
>>140170055
Its hilarious how bad of a mother she is.
>>140177731
Indeed, the creators are definitely against Rei in some form or another. Everything since the original has felt like an attempt to "de-fang" or castrate the characacter.
>>140177914
>>140177731
>>140177643
This is why we should all like Kirishima Mana.
>>140177556
Rei isn't popular any more because her character archetype has gotten stale over the years. They tried to change her personality with 2.0 to make her more popular, but when that wouldn't work and even Mari and Asuka were more popular than her, then they just gave up and axed her out.
An unpopular character who can't sell is useless in Anime.
>>140177184
Rei a shit.
>>140177914
In a way I see why. when you see their original intent of the character vs what they actually got, they failed at what they sought to do. but they failed by stumbling into greatness. In that sense Rei Q is a much more successful attempt at what they tried to do 20 years ago: A quiet, submissive character, with no inner substance. Rei was quiet, but none of the other things, she was the great character despite themselves.
>>140177973
I like Mana, actually.
>>140178024
See >>140177692
Recent poll, same magazine, outranks Asuka harder than the 90's.
Street polls done after 2012 show that the public likes Rei 25%+ of the time versus Shinji, Kaworu, Asuka, Mari and Misato.
Rei's archetype is less stale than Asuka's or Kaworu's, which has been more prominent in anime than Rei's. Rather, the way to make Asuka popular for instance was to make her more generic and more "stale".
They've axed Rei for internal reasons.
>>140178143
I like Mana because she had everything Shinji could want in a girl; yes, Rei II a doll and Rei III was GlaDOS. Asuka's ultimate downfall for me was fact that she led on Shinji too mucking much, and Kaworu was too much of a yandere for me. Nevermind Misato for now.
>>140178229
>They did it for Moot
>>140178283
Oh Rei (Misato & Asuka too) is better than Mana in my book, but i wouldn't have minded to have Mana instead of Mari in Rebuild.
>>140178487
I mean, Mari isn't a shit. I love Sakamoto Maaya but she just stood too damned out in Rebuilds. I personally don't think Mari fits in the Eva, period.
If they animate Shinji Raising Project, she'd be fun to add, but not in my Eva.
>>140178685
>I personally don't think Mari fits in the Eva, period
That was intentional; not sure it makes it better though... for me she does suck, maybe not if she had shown in some other context but I agree she's not Eva-worthy. So I dislike her.
>>140165348
I don't really care for Eva that much but I went to a con a few years ago and Asuka's Japanese voice actor was there with I guess the English cast. She said something about Shinji loving Kaworu and all the neckbeards there went apeshit. It was great.
>>140180161
>She said something about Shinji loving Kaworu and all the neckbeards there went apeshit
It's like they didn't watch the show.
>>140180727
Looks like the OP of this thread didn't watch the show either
>>140180161
Saboten Con back in 2013? That was hilarious. There are some transcriptions about it around the net too, like pic related (there were more questions).
>>140180890
Yeah, that was it.
I never saw so many angry autists in my life, that seiyuu is based as fuck.
>>140165348
>Shinji and Asuka
>realistic couple
>overcame their faults
Fuck off shipper.
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>>140181322
Fuck off back to tumblr, fujoshits.
>>140180890
Ah yes, the day Asuka shippers got BTFO.
I wish I could have been there in person to drink their tears.
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>>140180161
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>>140181386
Funny thing is that even Kaworu's VA hates the fuck out of you tumblrtards and doesn't even think Shinji and Kaworu are a thing.
>>140181424
Akira Ishida?
I don't think he even has the capacity to feel emotion, let alone hatred.
>>140180890
>>140181386
Not just Asuka's seiyuu, Rei's seiyuu and Misato's seiyuu also ship Kawoshin.
They said if Asuka and Shinji were together it would rain in misery everyday.
That was all the way back in 1997, I think.
>>140181547
He has stated plenty of times his disdain for fujoshits. Nice denial, though.
>>140181632
Where? From what I recall he even used to voice BL CDs so that seems unlikely.
>>140181547
>Asuka blushing at Kaji
>Rei blushing at Gendo
Why do bitches always love the older men.
>>140181787
>From what I recall he even used to voice BL CDs
That's where the hatred must have been born
>>140181424
>citation needed
>>140181305
Any videos?
>>140181891
I don't know man, Ishida seems so fucking deadpan about anything I doubt he even knows how to hate or love something.
He's so antisocial that even Anno felt awkward talking to him.
Regardless, Anno is the only tumblr fujoshit here, he's the one who made Kawoshin in the first place.
>>140181993
To be fair, he's not a fujoshit, he's an actual homosexual, I feel for his wife.
>>140181350
>being this butthurt about someone posting a screencap of an Eva panel that he must be a fujoshit / come from tumblr
thanks for the laughs
>>140182077
It seems like his wife is a fujoshit and a lot of her manga work is really feminist tumblr SJW bullshit so she's probably into it.
>>140182199
Nah, her work is typical Shoujo, and she doesn't really strike me as a fujoshit.
She just likes Kawoshin, maybe because of Anno's influence.
>>140181424
And your sauce is...? I'd say he's most indifferent than anything. He even said
> Even if they talk about different things, the feelings Kaworu has for Ikari Shinji… they won’t change. I knew the world was different this time, but, on top of that, I was worried about how to best approach Ikari Shinji this time so that everyone would understand that. That was a high hurdle. I was thinking about how to handle it from the very beginning. How should Nagisa Kaworu be after he’s accumulated several different cycles in his past? And Eva itself has a very precise strike-zone, to get it just like it should be. I couldn’t lose sight of that.
> ––Piloting an Eva in tandem with Shinji is a first for Kaworu, isn’t it? I think you could interpret it as a sort of ‘love scene’ in a sense.
>I don’t know if I can make that interpretation (lol). I think you should wait to hear from the director or leave it to the really involved fans. But, at the very least, them getting in the same unit is different, as they both pursue the same goal together. It seems [representative] of the depth of their connection.
in a 3.0 interview. If he didn't like it he would outright deny it, I think.
>>140181619
>They said if Asuka and Shinji were together it would rain in misery everyday
This is pure common sense, how some people can miss the obvious so hard is beyond me.
>>140182468
Akira Ishida doesn't care about anything. It's a common joke in the industry by other seiyuu that he even has an "A.T. Field".
>- Known as the man with strongest AT field in seiyuu industry.
>- Once turned down an invitation for lunch by saying “I’m going out for lunch now”
>- But he went to Udon shop with Sugita Tomokazu and Kugimiya Rie (from Gintama recording) after they tried so hard inviting him
>- When seiyuu newcomers tried to introduce themselves to him, he refused saying “I won’t be able to remember your name”
>- He stopped singing character songs at one point, because he doesn’t think his singing is worth paying money to listen to.
It's near ironic that he plays Kaworu.
>>140182690
You're talking about the same fandom that when people insinuate the slightest chance Shinji might have loved Kaworu, put the screenshot of the cum on his hand from the hospital scene in EoE.
So romantic, indeed.
>>140182827
>You're talking about the same fandom that when people insinuate the slightest chance Shinji might have loved Kaworu, put the screenshot of the cum on his hand from the hospital scene in EoE
This is just sad.
>>140182806
>hey do you want to go to lunch?
>no, I'm going to lunch now
wow
>>140182827
Well, that's the level of emotional involvement Asukafags seek in their ship: "Asuka got wet for Shinji, Shinji got hard for Asuka, so they work as a couple."
>>140183122
I'm more appalled by the "they must overcome the fact that they are absolutely uncompatible together" which basically means that those people admit they don't work as a couple and for that to ever happen you'd need to break their core characters entirely and turn them into completely different people.
>>140183016
He's so /r9k/ even Anno cringes at him.
>When Ishida-san was asked the question of "If you could use superpowers, what kind of powers would you like?"
>He said, "I'm quite weak against crowds of people when I walk outside. So, I would like the power to be able to rid of the people within my 10m radius range."
>>140181976
I was at the panel and they had a no photography/video rule so I doubt it.
>When he saw me all shocked and stuff, the always-calm Ishida Akira (Kaworu’s seiyuu) suddenly got up and said "Oga-chan, would you like me to make you some coffee? Do you want it with milk or sugar?” or “Would you like me to rub your shoulders? Ask me anything today!” (laughs) We’ve worked together for such a long time, but he’s the last person I’d expect that kind of reaction from! That’s what I like about him, though. I just said, “N-no… I’m alright, but thanks.”
Akira Ishida is literally Kaworu.
>>140184271
He's too awkward and anti-social to be Kaworu
>>140165348
Cause she is a bitch, who hates Shinji from the deap of her heart...
This thread got turned upsidedown pretty well.
>>140180890
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>>140181619
Funny thing is that Shinji's VA says Kaworu and Shinji are just friends.
That is the point where Kaworu fans do the good ol' "VA opinions don't matter" routine.
Why do people hate Asuka so much again?
>>140188337
1- She's a cunt
2- The fans of Asuka are cunts
3- The character has gone full on pandering since the original
>>140188480
>She's a cunt
Not nearly enough to warrant some of the shit I've seen people say. It's pretty pathetic to have that much disdain for a character.
>The fans of Asuka are cunts
Understandable but most Evangelion fans are cunts anyway, merely of different flavours.
>>140188574
>Not nearly enough to warrant some of the shit I've seen people say. It's pretty pathetic to have that much disdain for a character.
Not really, it's a fictional character and for some Asuka might represent everything wrong with humanity or something. Then you add in the bit about the fans, who by the way are far more hateful of the rest of the cast members.
>Understandable but most Evangelion fans are cunts anyway, merely of different flavours.
Sure, but I believe that Asuka fans take the cake on this one.
>>140188652
Yesterday I saw a thread where anon wrote few lines about how he was pleased watching Asuka's self-actualization in EoE interrupted, dramatizing everything and pumping up her death. Then he said he masturbated to it the last time he watched it. I dunno. Just my two cents, but the intense contempt and attraction people feel to Evangelion's characters gets pretty bizarre - although that is without a doubt one of the driving forces behind Evangelion's continued popularity.
>>140189027
You're probably replying to a Reifag.
>>140189148
I assumed that but hoped otherwise. I just want to talk about the show and the fanbase.
>>140189027
Yesterday, much like today, I think you very clearly misunderstood the intent and meaning of said post. Quite clearly that is something someone would say not to get at Asuka, but to get at Asuka fans.
That or it could be a simple, plain sadist. People like that exist, and Asuka's downfall in Evangelion is a canonical fact.
Truth be told, I'd put people like that (honest sadists) above Asuka fans themselves, since Asuka fans are generally unable to comprehend or understand the character they are a fan of since they don't recognize the travesty of the character. But I digress, people want to get at Asuka fans because they are terrible - and for shipping reasons. I saw a quarrel earlier in this thread, and unsurprisingly it was about shipping as well, pitting Kaworu fans against Asuka fans.
It is a problem, and another problem are posts like these:
>>140189148
>>140189226
which is a prime example of forming groups and broadly dismissing opinion rather than tackling them head on.
>>140188261
She only said that because she ships Kaji X Shinji
>>140189675
There comes the Kaworufag defense force, just like predicted.
>>140189291
>Quite clearly that is something someone would say not to get at Asuka, but to get at Asuka fans
it might've been bait, but I'm convinced people like that exist.
>prime example of forming groups and broadly dismissing opinion rather than tackling them head on
Why wouldn't you broadly dismiss an infinite shit slinging session, which is what most "Reifag" vs. "Asukafag" threads are? It's a waste of time not to - sure, that's apathetic, but do you really expect that debacle to end?
>Asuka fans are generally unable to comprehend or understand the character they are a fan of since they don't recognize the travesty of the character
Speaking of forming groups and broadly dismissing opinion, you're categorizing basically all Asuka fans as holding the same opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0doO3VFjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0doO3VFjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0doO3VFjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0doO3VFjc
>>140189291
Kill yourself. I mean it.
>>140189759
>it might've been bait, but I'm convinced people like that exist.
Sadists exists, yes.
>Why wouldn't you broadly dismiss an infinite shit slinging session, which is what most "Reifag" vs. "Asukafag" threads are? It's a waste of time not to - sure, that's apathetic, but do you really expect that debacle to end?
First of all, you're discussing it now, and even invited to discussion about it. So you aren't dismissing it, claiming otherwise would be hypocritical.
Besides, Evangelion has since the original become Waifu Wars, not discussing Waifu Wars is the same as not discussing Evangelion.
>Speaking of forming groups and broadly dismissing opinio
Crucial difference:
You do it to people in this thread which you're talking to - in other words, not a group or an individual. When I say "forming groups", I referred to you and the other poster. Seeking comfort in dismissal of others.
>>140189951
Dismiss your fucking life, please.
>>140182195
Being this burthurt that you precrious VA ended up destroying your hambeast fantasies.
Thanks for the tears.
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>>140189951
Adding to the previous post, observe the vitriol and hatred of this Asuka fan:
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>>140189708
It's true, though. No reasonable person would conclude Shinji and Kaworu are just friends, especially after Anno confirmed their relationship is intentionally homoerotic.
Nonetheless, this is the same chick who couldn't even remember what color shinji's plug suit was. Whether it's because she vocally ships Kaji X Shinji or not, she's biased and objectively wrong. Talented seiyuu, though.
>>140190156
>sadists on that level are better than Asukafags, I expect no reprecussions for being a cumguzzling faggot :3
Sound yourself with a nailgun.
>textwall kun on its usual autist spree
I'm surprised its parents haven't called pest control on its already. Probably killed themselves for birthing such a lamentable spawn.
>>140190157
Just proving me right here Kaworufag fujo. You're attacking the integrity of the VA when it doesn't suit you, but leaves it be when it does.
>>140189951
>you're discussing it now, and even invited to discussion about it
Then I haven't been clear enough. I wanted to invite discussion about the fanbase of Evangelion, not specifically invite yet another waifu war.
>Seeking comfort in dismissal of others
Sure, kind of.
I said I wanted to discuss the fanbase but I don't think there's anything to discuss anymore. You've directed me off my original question with your finger pointing.
>>140190311
If the seiyuu's words contradict the canon and the creator, then they don't have integrity. Ogata's history on Eva-related matters just furthers this. I don't believe she even watched a full run of the show outside of what she saw during recording.
>>140190434
>I wanted to invite discussion about the fanbase of Evangelion, not specifically invite yet another waifu war.
Both are intrinsically tied together. One invites the other.
>Sure, kind of.
>I said I wanted to discuss the fanbase but I don't think there's anything to discuss anymore. You've directed me off my original question with your finger pointing.
But wasn't finger pointing what you did in the first place? It got more accurately turned back where it belong - understandable you'd want to end the conversation.
>>140190547
>But wasn't finger pointing what you did in the first place?
>>140188337
If you have anything relevant and of value to say then go ahead. I just don't think there's anything to pursue here. Do you really think there's anything more to discuss?
>>140190714
Pointing fingers at people who hate Asuka.
I think there's perfectly good reasons to. They don't like her style, attitude or person. Some have expanded reason.
It's not a likable character for anything but shipping/waifu reasons.
>>140190783
>t. toiletfag
Most of the replies on this thread have become about Kaoworu/toilet-fagging and have avoided the OP's question about Shinji and Asuka. Top posting, /a/.
>>140191002
There's been some good discussion, but unexpectedly from an Asukafan who this discussion embarrasses, you'd ignore it.
>>140191047
>some good discussion
Such as?
>>140191109
Textwall kun blown the fuck out.
