ITT: most pretentious anime you've seen
>>140129019
Just in case this isn't bait, they literally spell the message of the show out to you on several occasions. It's as simple of a show as it gets, it's just told unconventionally.
Limit Cycle
>>140129019
pic unrelated
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. Not even trolling.
>>140129019
Please someone explain this meme to me.
>>140129019
Psycho Pass 2.
>>140130240
People tend to assume that an unorthodox artstyle and manner of story telling is pretentious. People just didn't find the story good and are therefor calling it pretentious. There is no middle ground with these people.
>>140129019
Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence
>>140130240
Sometimes, an anime tries to do something artistic. You know, takes a shot at doing something different, telling a story in a different way. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they succeed.
Some people get confused when they watch these shows. This makes them feel stupid, which makes them angry, so they call the shows "pretentious."
>>140129019
>Tatami Galaxy was literally 2deep4u
Fucking hell, OP, are you 12?
>>140129019
kys
>>140129019
Next you are going to say Space Dandy is pretentious
>>140129019
"I can't read fast enough!"
Is /a/ one of the stupider boards, would you say?
Or is OP just an outlier?
>>140129019
>pretentious
>characterized by pretension as:
>a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)
>b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature
>>140130971
the poor man's eva/gits
>>140129019
K-on
>you will never again watch Tatami Galaxy for the first time again
>>140130723
>>140130867
The issue happens when it becomes overrated, which is precisely what happened to Tatami Galaxy. You get retards like >>140130956 that use the show to behave pretentiously, and cement the show itself as pretentious by association in the minds of anyone who differs in opinion.
In essence, it's not the show itself that is making unjustified claims (as per definition given by >>140131495) but the fans who make those claims about the show.
>>140131724
how come no one who posts that image ever makes a good point?
>Pretentious
I don't think you should be using words you don't know the meaning of
Memetami Shitlaxy
I think I get what they were going for, I just didn't understand why Tatami Galaxy needed to be so incoherent.
Non Non Biyiro, I'm normally into pretentious stuff but I thought that it was overly obscure for a commentary on the Vietnam War.
>>140131825
>so incoherent
how is it incoherent
>>140131591
Feels fucking terrible.
>>140131724
I appreciated the manner of storytelling and love the artstyle. It's easily in my top 3 anime of all time. Everyone has thier own taste and I don't go around trying to convince others it's the greatest, but how does it come off as pretencious?
We are talking about the show here, not it's fans. Otherwise if we counted fan bases, you could boil anything that has a shard of a fan base as crap and overhyped; of course you're gonna hear that "it's the greatest" or "I love it so much" from people who call themselves fans of it.
>>140131961
COMPLETE LIST OF PRETENTIOUS ANIME
>GITS Innocence
>Ergo Proxy
>Anything written by Nasu especially some of the Garden of Sinners movies
THATS IT, YOU CAN GO HOME.
>>140131495
I find it pretentious according to definition "b," but not on grounds made by the anime itself. I watched it, thought it was pretty good, and moved on. I can't understand why people extoll it so much, as if it did anything truly groundbreaking or extraordinary.
I know that there is the simple explanation that people just like it a lot, which is fine. But Tatami Galaxy's audience is vocal, and the majority claims that the show's message is fantastic and that it, in combination with its story and characters, made for an anime on a level of its own. Perhaps I can't relate that closely to the message because I found Watashi's self-sabotaging tendencies to be annoying more than anything. And I am not sure that the people that like the anime this much do simply because they can identify with the main character; it's okay to love/adore this anime, but I find the argument that is used towards people that don't feel strongly about it to be, in simple terms: "You didn't get it because you haven't gone through something like this."
This is where I find the fanbase to be pretentious and entirely subjective. Yes, I know liking or disliking something is subjective in and of itself, but many fans the anime argue that a failure to see it as one of the greats is a lack of understanding, which happens because people can't relate to Watashi a lot.
So, yes, I liked it a lot. I simply fail to understand why people feel so passionately about it, assuming I am wrong
Lucky Star
>>140131825
The incoherency in the beginning was reflecting the confusion people feel when they start college. You're lost, have no idea what you're doing, everything is new and it all passes by too fast like a blur. The fast pace and confusion you feel watching it ties in with the college experience and what the MC is experiencing. Basically that element of the show was purposefully executed. Hope that makes sense.
>>140129019
Good pick, OP. Pic also related.
>>140129019
Kaiba
>>140132130
>no Limit Cycle
>>140132399
>it's not the generic artstyle everyone uses so it's shit and pretentious
>>140129019
Evangelion
Monogatari
Kemonozume
>>140131785
And here's another example of what I'm talking about. With well-known anime classics (EVA being the prime example) you can have lengthy discussions about the series with detailed and contrasting opinions. Tatami Galaxy threads on the other hand are virtually always filled with nothing but shitposting and circlejerking.
The only thing about the show that provokes any kind of discussion at this point is the art, and nobody in /a/ is studied enough when it comes to art to discuss it to any relevant level anyway.
>>140132029
>I appreciated the manner of storytelling and love the artstyle. It's easily in my top 3 anime of all time. Everyone has thier own taste and I don't go around trying to convince others it's the greatest, but how does it come off as pretencious?
I quite specifically didn't call the show pretentious, instead that it's overrated. The combination of being overrated and unique makes for very pretentious fans, which I've pointed out in this very thread despite it only being at 30+ posts.
And before you try to accuse me of generalizing: that does not mean all of even the majority of Tatami fans. Only that it's cultivated a large enough number to negatively impact how some people may see the show.
>We are talking about the show here, not it's fans.
On the contrary, it was Tatami fans like >>140130867 >>140130956 >>140131804 who immediately turned the discussion away from the show and instead into one about personal attacks. I'm just answering their shitposts with arguments on why they're shitty people that will only make the show less welcome to discussion every time they post.
Even the OP, despite most likely wording his post to get a rise out of people, still at least left the show itself as the subject of discussion.
LotGH
>>140129019
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, Mind Game and Ergo Proxy come to mind.
anything /a/ doesn't like
>>140132958
>Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
I'm going to regret asking, but how the heck is that pretentious?
anything /a/ likes
>>140132900
Did you really just imply that Eva threads aren't full of shitposting and circle jerking?
Oh for fucks sake. You wouldn't know pretentious if it shat on your doorstep and tried to appraise itself as a piece of art.
If you want to watch a show that is actually self-important, pic related would be perfect.
>>140132980
>check out all this super deep social commentary and all these super obscure references isn't this show smart?
>>140132900
>With well-known anime classics (EVA being the prime example) you can have lengthy discussions about the series with detailed and contrasting opinions.
>>140132980
Because "unusual art style" equals "pretentious" to idiots. It's a gag manga comprised of bad puns and pop culture references, it's about as unpretentious as it gets.
>>140133173
No one says it's deep you mong, and the references are obscure to most people on /a/ because we're not Japanese.
>>140129019
>>140132399
>>140132542
>>140132798
>>140132958
These niggas get it.
Like 90% of all short anime films.
>>140129019
Here's that word again.
Flying Witch.
>>140131702
If Monster is pretentious then so are Days of Our Lives and As the World Turns.overrated shit
>>140129019
It's just a wacky college comedy 90% of the time, and the message of the last 2 episodes is literally just "make the most out of the life you have", people only call it pretentious because of the artstyle.
>>140133476
I agree almost completely. You can argue a show has shit pacing, I mean just look at the One Piece anime.
>>140129019
The narrator spells out what the fuck is happening every few minutes. The entire show is just Groundhog Day: College Edition. I don't see how pretentious it is
I get the feeling Kiznaiver's gonna end up pretty pretentious.
>>140130971
This.
Convoluded, self indulgent, psuedo intellectual garbage is all I can say about Lain.
>>140131495
You is a dumb nigga.
>>140133005
No, I said you can have discussions of it, not that you always or even usually will. However this is referring to an anime that's two decades old, yet it still offers more discussion (and acceptance of criticism) while still holding higher acclaim than Tatami.
In short, the shitposting to achievement ratio of Tatami is far worse than EVA.
Maasaki Yuasa is more pretentious than Gwyneth Paltrow blogging poems about her bowel movements while listening to post-OK Computer Radiohead.
>>140133987
kid a, hail to the thief, and in rainbows are great albums
fuck off
>>140133566
Literally fucking how
Even the title is vanilla as fuck
>>140134129
>>140134129
I prefer Amnesiac to HttT, desu.
>>140134129
>>140134422
They're both shit, like Yuasa.
>>140134199
Is tedious as hell, yet people praise it like the next masterpiece after Angel's Egg.
>>140134497
>people like it more than I do, so it's pretentious
You and >>140132178 are confusing overrated with pretentious. Of course, Tatami, unlike FW, is actually pretentious. Just saying.
>>140134497
>people praise it so it's pretentious
No one has ever compared it to Angel's Egg, you're talking out of your ass
>>140134497
>the next masterpiece after Angel's Egg.
>Angel's Egg
are you fucking kidding me
>>140132399
this is LITERALLY the best show I've ever watched
Most of this thread is bait, but >>140130971 is actually terrible.
>>140134497
A very sizable portion of /a/ is drawn strongly to "comfy" anime. Flying Witch's first episode felt similar to Barakamon and Non Non Biyori, two shows which are quite popular on /a/, in terms of presenting an effectively comfy atmosphere as well as well-executed humor. FW's popularity here so far should not be surprising.
>>140134129
>[[Radiohead album]] is good
I'm fucking dying over here
>>140133289
But is there anyone who actually watched Kaiba, the ugly guy anime and Kemonozume? it's not the same thing
>>140134497
Hmm, yeah overrated is a more precise word.
>>140134646
Neither did I, but people are already saying is the best anime of the century.
>>140134838
As someone that love NNB and Barakamon, I didn't like FW at all, it's like people MUST like it just because it's a comfy show.
Texhnolyze. Pretty sure the only people who sat through the first episode without prior knowledge of the series' progression are 2deep4u fags.
>>140135130
First reply was suppose to be for >>140134582
K-on.
>hurr durr fun things are fun
Fucking nihilistic bullshit.
>>140135130
>Neither did I, but people are already saying is the best anime of the century.
/a/ is always retarded about overhyping things they like. I do think FW has the potential to be a show similar in quality to Barakamon and Non Non Biyori when all is said and done, but to say much more than that only one episode in is pretty silly.
>>140132900
I can't believe I found a reasonable person on /a/. Congrats anon, you have acquired a small amount of respect from a stranger on an anonymous imageboard.
>>140130971
Was gonna watch it with a friend,is it really that bad ?
Angels Egg is the most pretentious thing i've ever seen.
>>140136463
Extremely cryptic, not pretentious.
>>140129019
Some shows that would be actually pretentious, not in the way people would be Code Geass, Death Note, Kara no Kyoukai, Fate/Zero, Mirai Nikki, Psycho Pass or Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Not Eva, Lain, Utena or Angel's Egg and definitely not Yuasa works.
>>140129019
I couldn't watch it. I was far too busy reading the subs to pay attention to what was actually happening on screen, and it ended up feeling like I was just reading a really trashily written YA novel, so I just quit.
>inB4 watch the dub
The result would be exactly the same. I'd be too busy trying to process the words being rapid fired into my ears to properly pay attention to what's happening on screen still.
>>140136916
there was nothing happening in the screen aside from mental masturbation
I like these threads because they boost up my ego in two ways. The fact that people call shows pretentious is usually a result of two things. First of all not being able to understand it and secondly feeling insecure about it.
So on the one hand I can feel better because of how I could actually grasp those shows and on the other hand I know I'm not so insecure too feel bad about a work even if i could not actually grasp it.
Reminder it's not anime that's pretentious, it's the viewer.
>>140129019
It's as simple and straightforward as anime gets
>>140129400
How is it pretentious?
>>140130971
Lain isn't pretentious, it has all the substance you're looking for.
>>140131702
nah
>>140134497
Flying Witch is a masterpiece.
It's so ridiculously simple in times where anime cannot be simple.
>>140133173
>>check out all this super deep social commentary
It's a just comedy, the humour is literally "look at this aspect of (japanese) society, isn't it dumb haha"
The references are obscure to you because you aren't a part of japanese society no matter how much anime you watch.
>>140135549
There's plenty of reasonable people on /a/. The problem is that with a discussion environment this shitty, shitposting becomes the reasonable thing to do.
>>140133246
>Because "unusual art style" equals "pretentious" to idiots.
I always wonder about this. Does this mean every western cartoon is pretentious? Most have different art styles from each other.
>>140135549
>reasonable person
>takes blatant false flags seriously and thinks Eva threads are civil
Anon, you might just be an baka
>>140137816
It's a different environment so you can't just make that comparison. If most shows have different art styles then having an odd style is less of a big deal.
Plus most cartoons are geared towards children, if you look at anime for children you'll find the same kind of variety.
>>140137816
no, it's no unusual art style, it's trying too much to be abstract
>>140137963
Why the fuck should a medium which sole difference between live-action film is that it's not limited to reality not try to be abstract? It's as if you hate animation.
>>140138035
there's no problem in trying, the problem is when it comes out as a clusterfuck like tatami, which makes the anime worse than it already is
>>140137944
If this were true it would be kind of sad, it would means children can enjoy and appreciate variety and uniqueness more than teenagers and adults.
But I don't exaclty see how this is true since american comic books and adult cartoon shows also have a big degree of visual variety.
>>140138134
It worked out magnificent with Tatami, Yuasa is the best director to make a directorial debut in the 21st century.
>>140135137
Nah Texhnolyze wasn't pretentious if you actually watched it, getting off put by the first episode (or the first fifth of the show) is understandable though, please give it another chance.
>>140129019
Tokyo Ghoul
ERASED
Attack on Titan
>>140129019
Kill yourself desu
>>140138164
>it would means children can enjoy and appreciate variety and uniqueness more than teenagers and adults.
I think that's mostly true. Lots of people who end up as notable creatives like Yuasa start out in children's anime for this reason.
Comic books are dominated by superheroes with their house style and american "adult" animation is mostly sitcoms. Most mediums get kind of homogeneous but the variety is still there. It's a shame the west doesn't really have an adult animation industry comparable to the anime industry though.
And you assholes still wonder why anime isn't taken seriously as art.
Just look at this thread.
>>140138578
it's not because of this thread
>>140129019
Anything by Kon or Yuasa.
>>140138506
It's mostly sitcoms but I wasn't talking about the content, I was talking about the visual design. Moral Orel, Simpsons, The Maxx, Spawn, South Park, Archer etc. It would be hard to mention two works that don't look very similar unless it were the same creators like Futurama and Simpsons.
>>140138506
>Lots of people who end up as notable creatives like Yuasa start out in children's anime for this reason.
Like who besides him?
>>140137166
here's your reply
>>140129019
But Tatami Galaxy tell its message directly to you at the last episode, or should I say, showing where he fails the entire show where the MC only realizes the right thing at the last episode.
>>140139019
I don't need answers. It's just fun to dwell on my ego and superiority once in a while.
>>140138996
Hosoda.
>>140139363
I really feel like he doesn't utilize Sadamoto corrrectly. His designs look all the same even though they guy made stuff ranging from Honneamise and Nadia to Eva, FLCL or Diebuster.
>>140132130
>some of the Garden of Sinners movies
this
>>140133750
this.
First episode was pretentious as hell, subete ni ga something-tier
>>140139742
They're pretty straightforward for anyone versed in Eastern philosophy. Guessing the majority of /a/ doesn't fall into that category, though.
Great thread, guys.
>>140139467
I liked the designs in Wolf Children a lot but I could see why someone might find them plain.
Spice and Wolf
>>140140428
it's not even pretentious, it is just straight out garbage
> I-I can't read it! The text is too fast!
> The storytelling is too complicated!
Pic related. Stop pretending that that is a girl god dammit, it ain't right.
I feel like it's been a long time since I've heard people on /a/ calling Lain pretentious.
I thought at this point everyone already understood it.
>>140131702
All western series are pretentious
>>140130971
I knew this would be here but it has been cropping up everywhere I go. Should I watch it for the sake of having watched it?
>no one has posted Bakemonogatari yet
Surprising.
>Maybe if I constantly quote Shakespeare people will think I can write!
>>140141068
It's just a fan service show, what are you surprised about?
We all respect it for what is is here on /a/.
>>140141041
That is a shitty reason to watch anything other than the most basic classics like Eva, Gundam, Haruhi (Because it helped popularize the LN craze). If you go into watching Lain like it is a chore then you probably won't like it.Haibane Renmei is better anyways
>>140141239
This is seriously one of the worst anime ever made
>>140141292
Sora no Woto is Haibane Renmei done right.
Shit, OP. Gotta hand it to you. You caused a pretty great sperg out.
>>140141424
I haven't seen Sora no Woto yet, so I can't say anything. I liked the characters of Haibane though. Reki was someone who I could relate to.
Especially the part whereshe would wake up from nightmares in a panic and she tried to piece together her nightmare and became unhappier when she did.
>>140141292
>classicsBut I hated all of them.
>shows that don't try to be masterpieces are uninspired
>shows that try to be masterpieces are pretentious
Rahxephon
>>140134189
this this this this nigga knowsssss
>>140141825
I am not arguing they are good. I am saying they had considerable influence on the industry. Which is why you can watch them as a "chore", dislike them, but still have some appreciation of how they affected anime as a whole.
>>140141833
>Some people think one thing
>Other people think different things in opposition to the first group
>This means there is a contradiction
LOOK AT ME! I'M DEEEEP!
>>140142476
Ikuhara is exempt from claims of pretension because Utena is the greatest anime in the universe.
>>140142476
>Shallow symbolism in a show about teenage drama and school rumours made out as a theatrical production is too deep
You might just be mentally challenged,
>>140132900
>The only thing about the show that provokes any kind of discussion at this point is the art, and nobody in /a/ is studied enough when it comes to art to discuss it to any relevant level anyway.
That's not true. Shitposting is just more enjoyable.
the "le deep" meme is just a way for underage newfag redditors to justify their own ignorance
![[Golo] Ergo Proxy - 10 [BD][1920x1080][79229C33]_00_05_34_01.png](https://i.imgur.com/q3mCKVl.jpg "[Golo] Ergo Proxy - 10 [BD][1920x1080][79229C33]_00_05_34_01.png")
>mfw retards say Ergo Proxy was pretentious
>>140140853
>Sailor Moon
>Transexual =pretentious
My fucking sides.
>>140131702
Johan was the anti-christ. So it's cool if you know christian prophecies. The author of the Manga sure did
Good job OP, you got people to reply to your shitty thread.
>>140132900
You shouldn't be calling anyone pretentious when you're using made up words like 'artstyle' while criticising others for not being educated enough about 'art' to discuss it.
"Aesthetics" is the word you're looking for, by the way. Other choice terms you may want to start employing in place of your misuse of the word 'art' include; illustration, design, technique, approach and a whole boatload of others.
The only real pretense ever employed on this website, as a whole, is by people who state things factually and without anything to support their claims.
Also, it's important to reiterate that 'artstyle' as well as 'artform' are not actual, legitimate terms since their usage undermines the word art, transforming it into a smarmy synonym for 'thing', which is just silliness.
The Tatami Galaxy, Revolutionary Girl Utena and Serial Experiments:Lain are, conceptually, probably the three greatest anime series of all time. I say this as a well informed expert on the subject of Fine Art, who is well aware that he is replying to a complete idiot.
>>140136382
Depends on your point of view. It's kind of hard to justify an episode that's 50% voiceover about computer networks and Roswell, but ymmv, I actually thought they pulled it off 9/10
>>140143136
don't get so annoyed your favorite pretentious anime is shit, just stop recommending it to your friends on MAL to try to look intelectual and different
>>140143573
This is bait but I'm still mad
>>140143573
ulysses belongs in this thread.
>>140143475
>U BUTTHURT CUZ U DON AGREE WITH MEE! GO BAK TO REDDIT XD"
Nice meme.
I really wish the ironically acting like idiots meme never came to be.
why do people keep using this word when they don't know what it means
anyone who uses pretentious like this is fucking pretentious
>>140143475
dumb frog poster is dumb
>>140144006
Memes were a mistake
>>140129177
>implying this has anything to do with whether or not it's pretentious
>>140140869
Some people haven't connected yet.
>>140134129
Kid A and Hail were great, In Rainbows and everything since then has just been downhill.
>>140143010
>philosophical quotedropping every 2 minutes
>>140141239
This is actually pretentious, I've never seen more out of place and misused Shakespeare allusions in any form of media ever.
>>140144707
>>philosophical quotedropping every 2 minutes
>I didn't watch the show
>>140136841
This guy is the only person in this thread who isn't a total retard. He's only mostly a retard.
>>140143573
>The Tree of Life
>Boyhood
>great
What are you? a hipster wannabe?
>>140133835
>>140134748
t. Sub-115 IQ.
>>140145908
>biting the bait
>>140143573
>the walking dead
>gone home
>boyhood
>the great gatsby
I'm pretty sure every one of these lists is shit. Also Minecraft is not an "artistic achievement." It's just a commercially successful toy. There's not really anything artistic about the game itself.
>>140129019
any anime and manga adapted by Taiyou Matsumoto. People who are fans of his series think they're watching an anime with neat alternative art style that is really just ass.
>>140147173
I actually enjoyed ping pong.
the animation is beautiful and they don't use cheap tricks, the story is simple yet I found it fun and the soundtrack is really enjoyable.
Yet I can see why would someone hate it, I avoided it at first because of how pretentious I thought it was (or maybe it is but I stopped caring at some point because, again, I do genuinely like it)
If it's not cute girls doing cute things or hot blooded mecha action, it's pretentious
>>140147257
fair enough, I just find his artstyle to be no better than Toei's animation of One Piece. Imagine if people started praising that as amazing
>>140147362
it is quite detailed and the colors work well, and for a series with character that look this human they use little-to-any rotoscope. Not my favorite animation but I find it to be above most stuff that gets animated nowadays.
>>140147341
why does nobody call eva pretentious? is it because it's shallow or because it's actually good? kek
>>140147173
Luckily I saw that midnight flight song before watching Ping Pong, otherwise I might dropped it after viewing the first episode. Chinkchonk my boy
