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Can jap police really just throw someone in a shitty empty cell just because they have a feeling they are a criminal? Can they force someone to be a witness and confine them to a room for however long they want them there?
You make it sound like that doesn't happen everywhere else, disregarding the fact that AA takes place in an alternate universe.
>>140092854
Eat your hamburgers, OPollo.
>>140092854
Police everywhere do what the fuck they want.
>>140092854
Yes. Japan's prison and legal systems are royally fucked.
>>140092854
The Japanese judicial system is pretty royally fucked up by American standards. Watching Locked Up Abroad: Japan quickly makes you realize that. The government wins 99% of criminal cases. Think about that for five minutes.
>>140092854
hah! i remember watching a doco and part of it was how hard they were finding it to teach japanese people to wrap their heads around the jury system and the fact that they have to decide on the guilt or innocence of the accused, their extreme formal politeness seems to be at the heart of it
oh wait here's an article that discusses it better
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/27/world/fg-japan-jury27
>>140095463
The American judicial system is no better though.
>>140097394
Only if you're a Black man. By contrast, the Japanese police are equal-opportunity pigus.
>>140097394
You don't even know what we're talking about. Both are fucked for different reasons.
>>140092854
20 days of prison before official charges are presented is possible, yes.
>>140097812
23, and detainees don't have nearly as many rights as they do in a civilized country. Very long interrogations, browbeating, and sleep deprivation lead to most people signing confessions even if they're completely innocent (it's not like the Japanese police can be bothered to look for hard evidence)
>>140092854
>Can jap police really just throw someone in a shitty empty cell just because they have a feeling they are a criminal?
If you're from the USA, then you really are the one to talk. In your USA country, it has over three million people in prison and of course that doesn't include all the people who are out on probation as convicted criminals. A huge percentage of your population has seen jail and not just prison too. If you add both jail time and prison time together, America is the land of the unfree.
While the USA has 4.4% of the world's population, it has 22% of the world's prisoners. Sure, you say Europe and Japan are gay for letting so many people out. But in Japan, keeping people in prison for life is not the best thing for their taxpayers. Forcing the people to make restitution outside of prison (monitored) through labor is the popular approach.
>>140098162
Won't people lose their jobs if they get detained for that long?
>>140099083
That's the idea.
>>140092854
in murrica you get shot for nothing.
jail 1 night>shot in the head.
>>140092854
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_system_of_Japan#Claims_of_inmate_rights_abuses
>>140092854
Given how quick the turnaround on trials is in AA, she may well have already been formally charged. Poor Maya.
>>140099523
You get shot in the back
>>140092854
> jap police
>implying it isn't like that in many other countries as well
>>140095463
>implying it isn't also like that in the so-called land of the free
I want to help Maya.
>>140100779
Oh, the American judicial system is seriously fucked up too, just in different ways.
>>140097394
>2016
>being a nigger/sand nigger
>>140098716
>ignoring the African american problem
No other nation in the developed world has this kind of issue. Please educate yourself.
>>140092854
So, how do they pee or poop?
>>140092887
Not unless you live in a third world shithole.
>>140096357
The jury system is fucking retarded, since it turns courts into popularity contests.
>>140102199
What, were you hoping for genocide or something?
Go back to /pol, nazi.
Other countries judicial system
>Innocent until proven guilty
Japan/Ace Attorney's judicial system
>Guilty until proven innocent
>Will stay in jail if no one will take your case in 3 days.
>Execution for teenagers (Dahlia)
>>140102268
Yeah, but they have lots of niggers too.
Weird innit?
>>140092854
Why is she so small?
>>140098716
>three million people in prison
Now minus how many of them are niggers.
You'll find it has one of the lowest incarceration rates if you take out the prison's animal control role.
>Traumatizing a little girl by throwing her in a completely empty cell
Fuck their universe.
>>140092854
It has tatami, truly an aesthetic room
>>140102447
Would it be better if they threw a little girl in a cell occupied by Tyrone ?
Reminder that this murderous scum got a better prison cell than Maya.
>>140102404
It's a big cell
>>140102199
there are more people of color in the us than white peoplel senpai
>The games portrayed the prison cells with a bed, toilet and their hobbies
>The anime portrayed the prison cells with nothing but a shitty 100 yen tatami.
>>140092854
assuming this is an ace attorney thread, they have this 3-days trial rule or something there, so basically you detain a suspect first ask question later.
dunno about actual japan trial system.
>>140102591
>grouping blacks together with other minorities in order to make them seem more prominent
Really?
>>140102643
Sort of. No matter what crime you commit. 3-days or you go to jail forever.
>>140102639
I think they were trying to place some emphasis on the whole 'cute girl bizarrely accused of murdering her sister and currently without a friend in the world' angle.
>>140102643
Japan has a weird legal system. People often cite their crazy high conviction numbers but what is left out is how relatively few cases ever make it to court if the state isn't confident that they will win.
I can't wait for people's reaction on Franziska. She's the embodiment of shit.
Athena still worst girl.
From a scale of 1-10, how fucked up is the Ace Attorney universe?
http://strawpoll.me/7367665
Keep Mayoi locked up, Akane is much better.
>>140102934
How does it feel to be a liar, anon?
Best Girl
http://strawpoll.me/7324880/
Worst Girl
http://strawpoll.me/7333752
>>140102827
We're really reaching a consensus, here. I'm kind of impressed.
I want to study Akane's body with scientific techniques that may be too much for the law to handle.
>>140102589
for you
>>140103459
I want Maya to practice summoning my boner.
Criminal justice system in Japan is terrifying, apparently the prosecutor can just intimidate and threaten and murder defense lawyers
>>140097394
You get the real chance to actually fight back in court unlike the rest of the world
>>140092854
At least Japanese Jail guarantees no rape or prison gangs.
No gang activity in Japanese prison because you are monitored 24/7.
But at least you get Sports Festival Day in Japanese Jail.
Here's a French documentary about Japanese Prison with English subs about a French guy who was imprisoned in Japan because he got caught with drugs, I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJp9nKaO7c4
Essentially, he said Japanese Prison was like Army Boot Camp but at least he felt safe all the time and the Food was actually Legit Food and not the weird shit American prisons come up with every year.
>>140102306
Sometimes there's a loose floorboard with a squat toilet underneath.
>>140105201
That's just gross.
>>140105026
What's wrong with Nutriloaf?
>>140098716
But those are black people and Latino drug dealers.
>>140092854
Sure, why not?
Is it really true that your're not innocent until proven guilty in Japan? Is it true that you have the burden of proof once accused?
Fucking asians are animals.
>>140102268
>>140102416
>>140105746
>so America has a crime problem
>No, it's all just niggers and spics, nothing to do with our society, I swear
Typical Murrilards
>>140106970
It's not all that uncommon. The innocent until proven guilty thing is seen most frequently in western nations, especially those with some kind of basis in English law. Wait until you read up on the French inquisitor system. They'll really do your head in.
>>140107084
Have they ever read Beccaria?
Every kid knows it's better to have 10 criminals free than 1 innocent in jail.
>>140102510
>>140102639
Prison cell, as in a cell where he was after he was found guilty in a trial. Not a temporary cell in a detention center.
>>140107178
You say that from your perspective with your cultural background. Modern Japan may be westernized but it is certainly not western. The idea in these systems is also that it's on the state to prosecute responsibly and the assumption is made that if they are bringing charges it is for good reason.
>>140107573
You can't bring culture into a logical discussion, if a behaviour is stupid, it is just stupid.
>>140095463
https://m.youtube.com/verify_age?next=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dyiw2NULDjKM&client=mv-google
>>140107644
you sound like someone who doesn't interact with other cultures much.
>>140107644
But to a number of cultures this is logic. You don't realize just how much of how we view the world is relative, do you? I don't believe the people that use moral relativism as an excuse but it is certainly a thing that has to be taken into consideration. Coming from societies with a background in common law and putting an emphasis on the individual, we take that stance.
>>140107178
>it's better to have 10 criminals free than 1 innocent in jail
'no'
>>140107690
I'm who I am only partially because of the culture I've been born into. That certainly doesn't stop me from using my brain.
If I see something I think is wrong I don't stop trying to change it only because "it's part of my culture". Culture is something that changes with time.
>>140107720
That an excuse to leave things as they are. You really believe everyone in the western world thinks Beccaria was right and the law system should be based around those ideals? Please.
>>140107818
Unless you live in a shithole that's literally your country's law system.
>>140107875
>You really believe everyone in the western world thinks Beccaria was right and the law system should be based around those ideals? Please.
Of course I don't anon but the fact is that the ideals most adopt are deeply rooted in that of the society they are born into. Your viewpoint is also rooted in it too, no matter how you may attempt to not let it sway your decision making.
>>140102416
>You'll find it has one of the lowest incarceration rates if you take out the prison's animal control role.
276805200 non-black citizens
1398789 non-black prisoners
Minus blacks, we'd have an incarceration rate of about .5% --so instead of having the second highest incarceration rate on earth, we'd only have the *seventh*! Neck-and-neck with Cuba! Eat that, Japan!
there was a case about mayoi being suspected of being a shit
judge's verdict is that she's guilty
>>140092854
Only if you're suspect of murder.
Let's be real, you wouldn't let a psychopath roam free too.
>>140108021
But you'd probably do marginally more police work than 'we found the victim's sister crying over her body and a receipt with her name on it' before deciding that she's the killer.
>>140107875
As others have alluded to, you seem to be under the impression that your brain is inherently a logic machine. It's not. Your brain is primarily a learning machine.
Your logic and morals and ethics are learned from experience, culture, and your self-reflection on those things.
You can see even from people in this thread that not everyone sees the same things as wrong. It's not because they're not using their brains. They have different brains.
>>140107897
>the fact is that the ideals most adopt are deeply rooted in that of the society they are born into
Nigger after the war and all that happened you know by how much Republic won over Monarchy in the referendum in Italy? By fucking 54,3%.
People are retarded and the western values are values only to a few. You wanna know what's the most common value in the western world right now? "Better them than me." Which is kind of hironic given how its pretty much supposed to be Christian.
>>140107875
Sorry pal, I live in one of the least corrupt places in the world.
I think both extremes are retarded anyway, and the best solution is somewhere in between.
I salute all Anons that used Ryuu-chan in Mahvel.
>>140108021
I would. Still better than any politician.
>>140108055
Only the stupid learns from direct experience alone.
>>140108086
I believe the best solution is one that doesn't deprive anyone of their freedom.
>>140108061
*ironic
What the fuck.
They felt they had probable cause to charge her with murder. I believe even in burgerland that charge likely means no bail.
>>140108134
oh, you were just fishing for replies. well fuck me. saged. reported. called the cops. here's your last (You) from me.
>>140108288
I'm honest. Just because you don't like it it doesn't have to be bait.
>>140108134
Freedom is good to have, but many Americans overrate it.
>>140108771
It's literally a founding principle of our nation and society.
Of course we're going to overrate it.
>>140108771
I didn't mean freedom as in FREEDOM, I meant it as in not in jail.
I'm not a burger.
Is it really true that they'd let a parrot testify for the court?
>>140110051
Probably not.
>>140110051
the parrot is the murderer
Is the 3DS port of the OG games worthwhile? I want to know if I should dig out my DS flashcard and play them on that or on my cracked 3DS.
So why didn't they think of MC as the killer for Chihiro-san?
>>140097689
Yeah, you have a better chance as an innocent black man in a US court than you do as any innocent defendant in a Japanese court, the problem is getting to court alive and not getting forced to take a plea bargain first.
>>140111613
she had a note with her name
>>140111613
Because they found a note with Maya's name on it, and apparently a sobbing teenage girl is the most likely person to have just bludgeoned her sister to death.
>>140110051
Maybe
Maybe not
It's been a while since I've played the games and I can't quite remember.
Is there death penalty in AA?
>>140112576
>Is there death penalty in AA?
Dahlia and Godot.
>>140092854
I want to throw maya into a rape dungeon
>>140112695
>I want to throw maya into a rape dungeon
She did in JFA.
>>140112647
Basically everyone that murders gets the death penalty.
>>140106999
But it's true. Now, that's not denying that it's a fucking huge problem that there are so many of them, but prison is the SOLUTION, not the problem!
>>140107652
>I committed a crime and now they are forcing me to follow RULES
>I got tired of RULES so I punched a guard, but they didn't beat me up they just did a wrestling hold on me and dropped me
How the fuck is this supposed to be terrible?
This whining bitch seems to be describing how prison life is SUPPOSED to be.
How about comparing it to American jails where you routinely get beat up and fucked in the ass, literally.
>>140112695
Now why would you ever want to do that?
>>140112647
Manfred von Karma too.
>>140110051
Only in a court that handles bird law.
>>140113719
The way the US prison system is set up, prison is absolutely not the solution. As a society, we would have less problems if we just executed every single criminal after sentencing than continue conducting the prison system as is. When the system becomes entirely public, nonprofit, and focused on rehabilitation AND punishment, then prison will be the solution.
>>140110051
Don't get it twisted, parrots ain't snitches.
>common law and jury systems are toning it down
>legislative and inquisitorial systems are coming back the other way
????
are we going to meet halfway, or keep on going?
As an east european, how can I get myself arrested in Norway? I hear they have some pretty expensive and cozy cells.
>>140115884
It's not true that you are 100% guaranteed to get ass raped in prison, but it would be 100% guaranteed that Sweden would love to get ass raped in prison.
>>140116211
Or anywhere else, for that matter.
>>140106970
To be fair, a lot of people are considered guilty until proven innocent in the American system as well. An accusation paints an ugly picture on someone, and no matter how much we try and say we're doing things differently, people seem inclined to believe the accuser in a lot of cases.
>>140107352
Shouldn't someone that has not yet been found guilty of anything get a nicer cell?
>>140102306
Diapers.
>>140102325
American police can throw people in prison for having pictures of cute little girls enjoying themselves.
Pictures.
Think about it: that's like arresting someone on the grounds of murder for downloading a bunch of webm files from a rekt thread on /b/. Don't get much more of a legal shithole than that.
>>140119525
>usa
>not third world
>>140119566
Unfortunately their policies are often forced upon other nations.
I just want someone to nuke the living shit out of the nation already. All they do is shit up the rest of the world.
>>140106970
>Is it really true that your're not innocent until proven guilty in Japan?
It's worse than that. Even if you are proven innocent, the fact that you were ever accused makes you guilty by Japanese society even though the courts let you out.
>>140099583
>the authorities reported they had lost the documentation on nine deaths in Tokyo's Fuchu Prison
Japs learned from their WW2 allies: Never leave a paper trail!
>>140119642
>I just want someone to nuke the living shit out of the nation already. All they do is shit up the rest of the world.
At this point, yea, the United States is better off not existing. The citizens are so dumb they don't even know they are the evil empire.
>>140115772
>When the system becomes entirely public, nonprofit
But that's communism!
Why did they not use an orchestral version of the OST? It's not like they're limited by a GBA soundchip.
Did they just borrow the court models from the newer games?
>>140121637
They look far nicer than those PS1 graphics. Even in the 3DS.
>>140121637
No, they made their own awful one.
I'm a white boy in America and once I got followed a block by a cop because I was walking with a limp. When I turned around I couldn't tell he was a cop due to having poor sight in one of my eyes so I ran forward like 5 feet because I thought it was just someone pulling into the drive way I was walking in front of. So I walk forward 15 feet and a cop starts yelling at me to put my hands up and walk to him. He accused me of trying to run away looking all drunk and searched me. It took me like 20 mins to convince him I dindu nothing. It turns out they were doing a neighborhood roundup that day.
I fucking hate when the blacks try to act like they are the only ones that get profiled.
>>140120073
>The citizens are so dumb they don't even know they are the evil empire.
The United States favored the empire over the rebels in some Star Wars game, I think everyone is subconsciously aware that they're the evil empire.Plus everyone knows the evil empire is cooler.
>>140092854
This happen in burgerland too
>>140108771
Americans are too used to having freedom to differentiate between what's free and what's not free.
