>The Cowboy Bebop dub is superior to the sub
where did this meme originate /a/?
>implying Cowboy Bebop is worth watching at all
>>140047515
/v/
>>140047679
Pretty much this.
Both of them are fine.
Are you actually retarded or something?
Why would you watch it in japanese you fucking weeaboo?
>>140047635
That's right, we have better taste than you in your own hobby.
I honestly think the reason why I like the dub better than the sub is because of the setting.
I kind of cringe when characters in say, a fantasy anime talk about "The Dark Power" in English and how "The power of our friendship beats all!" and the English VA just does it with this annoying shrill. When it's in Japanese, you don't really feel that cringe coming out from the VA.
But in Cowboy Bebop, which takes place in a fairly realistic setting, there's none of that. It's theme is very geared towards Western audiences, so there's none of that cringe. And it helps the English VA cast were well picked.
Its not a meme, its just the truth.
>>140047515
it's a great dub, one that certainly makes me prefer watching it in english.
>>140047599
The bait is too strong.
>>140047515
Cowboy Bebop is shit.
it's one of probably 3-5 shows that actually have a good dub
That is not a meme, just like Evangelion is better in spanish and Joe Joe is better in french, those are just facts.
The director even liked the dub more.
I still think that as a show it's not that great. Technically, yes it has amazing animation. But the episodes were just too random for me to really get in touch with the crew. I didn't really connect with Spike too much and thought they could have developed Julia and Vicious more.
I still think Waltz for Venus is the best episode.
You're not even trying. 0/10
>>140047679
this and vice versa for DBZ. Only nostalgia cucks refuse to accept dub is better for it
>>140049698
I actually didn't like it. I don't understand why an unpopular opinion is automatically dismissed as bait.
>>140048885
A sensible poster? what sorcery is this?
>Cowboy Bebop is good
Where did this meme originate /a/?
someone told me it was in English first
Is that true?
>>140050157
Same place that memes about NGE being good
>>140050157
>less than 300 completed
Is this bait?
>>140047599
>>140049949
Despite being a entrylevel show, Bebop is actually great
Stop being an edgy contrarian faggot
>>140047599
This. I dropped after 3 eps. So fucking boring. Im not even a contrarian guy, I love tons of classic animes but Cowboy Bebop was just really damn boring.
>>140050157
Megazone 23 was not that good.
>>140050617
I see nothing wrong with "entry-level" shows. It's just that I disliked the episodic format, lack of progress, and predictable cliches and storytelling. I gave it 9 episodes and decided it wasn't worth continuing.
>>140050915
>episodic format
This was the big one for me. I hated the one with the fridge.
I still finished it for the experience. Wasn't that bad, but not great. Loved the animation.
>>140047515
from the truth
>/v/ it doesn't have enough adult people it sucks
>/a/ it doesn't have enough little girls it sucks
>>140051394
>you don't have to tell me what happened, but you do have to eat these
>>140047515
The dub would be better if the animation was adjusted for lipsyncing, but as it stands it looks retarded as fuck.
>>140049964
Go back to r*ddit and then kill yourself.
It comes from the fact that Steven Blum is an amazing voice actor, and his voice alone is capable of carrying almost any show.
To this day, I consider it a travesty that he was Leeron instead of Kamina in the TTGL dub. I can appreciate that he's got a lot of versatility, but his badassmanly role is not one easily topped.
>>140047515
what headphones are thoseplease respond ;_;
>>140052516
The problem with Steve Blum is that he's doing the same voice with every single role. What make's Cowboy Bebop's dub worthwhile is the fact that the rest of the cast is just as skilled.
>>140047515
Reality
>>140052531
I'm not sure
>>140049758
>Jojo in French
Why does my gut tell me this would work?
>>140048885
True. Bebop isn't set in Japan, and it has the most multicultural cast in any Anime I've ever seen. It has Native Americans, African-Americans, it's once case where having them all speak English actually makes sense.
Hell, it even has mixed English and Japanese signage, and the English writing is actually pretty well done to boot.
the dub is really well done, all of the main cast has good VA work, especially spike
and the setting and tone are westernized so it doesn't feel out of place
>>140052865
I dont know but I feel the same way
>>140052798
This isn't actually true. It's just that when he does a different voice, you'd never know it's him. You only know he's there when he talk normally, because his normal voice is distinctive.
>>140052516
I didn't think he fit the part of Onizuka too well. Fuck, the English dub was awful now that I remember.
I watched GTO in Jap instead.
>>140049758
>Evangelion is better in spanish
This is the first I've ever heard of it. You don't happen to have any evidence on hand, do you?
Also, why?
It all has to do with the voice actors. I watched the Seven deadly sins on Netflix. I turned it to English dub and the voice actors were garbage and turned it back to the english sub.
>watching dub at all
Fucking neo /a/.
>>140053475
>Fuck, the English dub was awful now that I remember.
He did a fantastic job with Onizuka.
The real failure with the dub of GTO was entirely because of the female voice actors.
>>140053698
I watch any anime set in Japan, with a Japanese cast or in a Japanese fantasy realm in sub anyway, just cuz it makes sense for them to speak Japanese. Like, don't people hate it when, say, the Nazis in an old WW2 movie speak in cringy German-accented English? I only watch dubs for stuff that isn't Japanese (Baccano, Bebop, etc).
I make an exception for Steins;Gate, because the dub is fucking brilliant. But it's the only exception.
>>140053698
>Newfag tries too hard to fit in
>>140053698
Dub Cowboy Bebop and Dragon Ball (all) have better voice actors.
I have not watched a single new episode of Dragon ball because I hate Kakarot's voice actor. High pitched annoying as voice makes me want to blow my brains out.
We all can agree that FLCL's dub was better than the sub, right?
>>140047515
The Japanese cast is pretty high profile. I liked them a lot.
I haven't watched the dub in full, but it seems okay.
>>140049887
Where did he say that? I have heard this around but nobody has backed it up.
>>140053853
>FLCL sub
Implying anyone accepts it's existence.
>>140053853
>FLCL's dub was better than the sub,
>>140049887
I concur with the other anon.
People always say the director liked the dub more but I've never seen a source cited.
>>140054082
This post is so fucking shitty that I can't even tell what you're even trying to imply.
Why do you post?
>There are seriously autistic weebs that think Devilman isn't better dubbed
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xzXBcLK4MR0
>>140054128
>IFunny tag
>You somehow expected anything
>>140054128
She is implying that your taste is terrible so has trivialised it by simply calling it a 'dank meme' which is in today's internet culture synonymous with being cancerous as fuck.
>>140053733
>First episode
>Nana in English
>Sounds like a goddamn loli but in the worst way imaginable. That awful laugh.
>switch to Japanese
>Nana sounds like a woman, and her VA is putting alot into her character.
>I managed to even feel a for her.
>That wonderful ending
Fuck that dub.
>>140054166
You know I seriously have a hard time determining whether 4chan hates weebs or not. I mean on the one hand, you mention the word "dub" and everyone comes crawling out of the woodwork to call you failure, but on the other hand people degrade and mock Japan and the Japanese and their weird doings all the time.
>>140054232
But xe sabatoged zerself by combining it with a watermarked pepe image.
This is on par with calling someone "retarted".
>>140054292
Most 4chan users hate themselves, so yeah, they hate weebs. Hope that clears things up newfriend
>>140054339
WAIT WAIT WAIT SOMEBODY HERE DOESN'T HATE THEMSELVES?
>>140054313
The fact that image was so shit only further trivialised your opinion.
By something shit calling out something shit, the one having it directed to them only looks even worse.
>>140054292
>I mean on the one hand, you mention the word "dub" and everyone comes crawling out of the woodwork to call you failure
A lot of it comes down to two things:
1) There's a lot of closet weebs here who recognize they are faggots and isolate it.
2) Mouth movements in anime are intended for the speakers of the native language, and a lot gets lost in translation due to inabilities to match inflections with syllable counts.
/a/ does hate weebs, but it's not hard to justify why subs are generally better than dubs. It's more about keeping the original language than preferring japanese.
Does anyone else remember that Russian company that was doing legit dubs and not just lectern-style v/o's like most East-Euro stuff?
I remember them doing Haruhi and Gurren Lagann
>>140054402
Or it just means that the shit caller is shit to begin with and their shitty posting is a manifestation of their own shittiness, thus validating the point they were attempting to counter.
>>140054401
I dunno, I'm kinda in a good place at the moment.
I don't know how long that'll last though.
>>140054482
Regardless of what she posted, you have a fucking horrible opinion and should consider a hasty suicide.
>>140054440
I remember when /a/ wanted to suck off anything that was remotely related to Gurren Lagann.
>>140054548
My opinion is objectively correct and you should stick your hands in a fucking blender so I don't have to read the bullshit you spew.
>>140054434
Like I said, I mostly watch subs anyway cuz most anime are set in Japan or Japanese fantasy with Japanese characters, and I find ti weird when characters don't speak the language they're supposed to be speaking. But when they're not (except S;G, as noted), and the VAs aren't shit, I'll watch it dubbed.
Honestly most anime have such choppy and undetailed mouth animation that you can match it to any dialogue of any language you want. It's not like a Pixar film where the mouths are perfectly and painstakingly intricately animated to match what is actually being said.
>>140054540
Want to netflix party and watch some shitty animu?
>>140054611
>It's not like a Pixar film where the mouths are perfectly and painstakingly intricately animated to match what is actually being said.
But you still have the issue with sentence lengths, inflections, and messages.
Even if you aren't working with pixar, you have a limited budget allocated to voice acting so finding people that are even remotely capable of adjustiing becomes costly.
>>140054440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCyo4geEu-0
>>140054731
hahahahaha perfection
>>140054659
Nah, I'm probably just going to chill in /djt/ for a while. Might as well continue pretending I'm improving myself.
>>140054836
It originated with the people watching it on Cartoon Network late nights... A lot of people came out of that and onto /a/ at one point... Which isn't really that surprising.
>>140054878
>Tekken 3
>she's actually a hardcore gaming champ
>You were good at it, but she wiped the floor with you easily.
>"Thanks for playing anyways, you were fun!"
>Congratulatory BJ and post-orgasm cuddling as thanks.
>>140054710
That requires a translation team that...well, aren't just translators. They also have to rewrite it to fit the length of the dialogue.
Inflections are difficult. Every language is spoken at a different cadence so admitedly, it's sometimes difficult to get past this.
It is one of the many reasons S;G is an exception to my native language rule - they managed to get the dialogue to flow properly, though, admittedly, this did sometimes come at the cost of exactly matching the animation. Though, since it's mostly lip flaps anyway, you don't really notice it cuz, as usual, it's not like the animation was perfectly representative of the original voice track to begin with.
>>140048885
I feel the same way about Black Lagoon. Having an island of mercenaries and rejects from all over world speak entirely in Japanese doesn't make sense.
>>140054292
Rejecting dubs isn't just weebery. You should watch everything in its original language unless you're literally an illiterate child.
>>140055518
Insults aren't a reason.
>>140055546
Maybe not for you, fag.
>>140055546
It's not an insult, I meant it literally. Dubbing makes sense in the case of programs for very young children who can't read subtitles.
>>140047515
the setting makes me the English voices sound natural
Probably because the Bebop dub IS superior to the sub. It fits way better with the Western setting as it does with literally all anime set in a Western setting. If you know even a little Japanese, it feels entirely out of place and unnecessary when you have a much better English version. Literally the only good dubs are anime with a Western or Western influenced setting, and denying that just exposes you as a tryhard weeb that can't admit when something is good if it's not in nip.
The same thing applies to Black Lagoon, El Cazador de la Bruja, Ergo Proxy, etc.
>>140050717
>animes
>>140055518
that's retarded
>>140055916
half jap here
it did not feel out of place or unnecessary and i preferred the japanese voice actors.
I hate to say it but bebop is shit. How did they colonize the solar system so fast and build immense cities after that incident in such a short amount of time? At the same time they are still stuck in some futuristic 90s setting.
>>140056063
>half yellow slant monkey
Well no fucking wonder. Japs have terrible tastes, why would I give a shit what you think?
>>140056063
>Half Jap
>>140055917
That's just basic film theory.
>>140056063
>half jap
>>140056298
relax man its just banter
>>140056298
Tojo lover
>>140056298
Someone not understanding banter
>Autismo Supreme
>>140056298
Saying you were half jap is basically the equivalent of saying "grill here". Nobody fucking cares, get over it. Who you are has no bearing over the quality of your opinion.
>>140056426
>Mash Potato Samurai here
Dub and sub are dependent on voice actors.
>>140056426
that's not me, it's someone getting offended on my behalf for some reason. i mentioned it because the other anon had some pretty language/culture specific criticisms which i didn't think were valid considering i met a bunch of his criteria and thought otherwise
>>140049887
Yeah he said that in front of the VA's and the man who directed the dub I wonder why he would say it's better.
>>140056496
>Dub and sub are dependent on voice actors.
And also the setting. English VAs are going to feel out of place as fuck in a Japanese school harem anime, but they'll feel right at home in a clearly Western based show. On the flip side, Japanese VAs are always going to feel out of place in a Western setting, ESPECIALLY if they do stupid shit like use honorifics that don't exist in the West.
>>140056547
Again, who you are has no bearing on your opinion. Nobody gives a fuck you're half nip, and it doesn't make your opinion hold any more weight or be any more valid. Mentioning it just made me not give a fuck about what you thought.
>>140050157
/m/ once again confirmed for shit taste
>>140056605
>If you know even a little Japanese, it feels entirely out of place and unnecessary when you have a much better English version
>denying that just exposes you as a tryhard weeb that can't admit when something is good if it's not in nip.
seeing as they made criticisms against identity i argued against it. sure it's a lazy argument, i could've just said im not a hardcore weeb and i also speak japanese but this poses problems in itself considering this is /a/. even less people would even consider my point
>>140054731
Holy shit.
>>140050915
Was the same for my brother but I liked the random episodes. I thought they were part of a slice-of-life character building. Shows the audience what they were capable of in some situations. Gave us a reason to care at the end of the story.
Not a bad dub but the translations were awkward and the actors were a notch below. The Miyazaki films are the standard dubs should be held to, but it'd be stupid to throw Disney money at most anime.
>>140049735
Bebop-likes have good dubs.
Champloo
Michiko and Hatchin
>>140056861
A lot of Miyazaki dubs leave a lot to desire regardless. Spirited Away, for example
It's not so much that the dub is good, it's that it's less shitty than normal while the sub is actually somewhat subpar. If I were to evaluate the english dub for Bebop, I'd have to say that the voices really suit the characters but they can't act for shit, except Ed but she had an unconventional delivery to work with.
>>140056974
Disney didn't really put a lot of resources into Spirited Away, probably because it was too Japanese. I was thinking more along the lines of Nausicaa/Porco Rosso.
>>140050157
triggered
>>140047515
both are good
>>140056426
Jesus, you fucking idiot. It matters because he has native experience in both languages and it's relevant to the topic, not because he's some hapa ethnically.
>>140057515
Its been a while since I last watched CB but I remember the line execution being pretty good. There isn't really anyone who stands out to be as having a subpar voice actor though there is definitely a part of me that thinks if I watched it now, Viscous's voice would just come off as 2edgy4me.
>>140051001
You're opinion is wrong. Toys in the Attic is an amazing episode.
Ein a shit
>>140053539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC4FH3tSOk
>>140052516
If he was legitly amazing, he wouldn't be doing anime.
Also, comparing any dub guy to Yamadera makes me laugh.
>>140047515
its the same with how i like dgz dub, everyone was a child and it was pre-internet anime watching.
in the sense of you still watched it on TV.
>>140059584
>Pen Pen
>>140048885
When it comes to the English language, something it can pull off very well is the "cool guy" character, think James Bond. Someone cool and calm, who isn't shouting all the time. English is very bad at shouting, it's incredibly difficult to pull off without sounding very fake and awkward. Unfortunately for dubs, shouting is something the Japanese language is very good at, so there is a lot of it in anime. The japs are able to put a lot of emotion and emphasis into the more high energy scenes without it sounding fake, and the poorly trained pool of "professional anime dub VAs" that most dubs pull from just can't deliver. This was also the reason why I thought the Death Note dub wasn't bad, because DN was monologue: the anime, and English is very good at monologuing. It just suited the language better than a lot of other anime.
I like both but the dub is objectively better. Even fucking Watanabe who created that world prefers the dub. Yeah it's his opinion, but I would never disagree with the master.
I know some asshurt scumbag weeaboo purist will bitch about it, but it's just the truth.
AlsoLupin > Spike
The only people who think the dub was superior are those who watched it as kids or americans that will take one acceptable dub and use it to pretend it was better than the original.
>>140061126
You're wrong. I avoided bebop as a kid because it seemed boring so my 1st experience with it was as an adult where I watched it subbed and I thought it was pretty good. Then a year or so later I watched it dubbed and loved it. That dub adds something special to the show so stop using that broken record nostalgia excuse and accept that there are people that actually prefer the dub for legitimate reasons.
>>140061264
>for legitimate reasons.
Add soemthing special is not legitimate, it's as bad as saying that an anime is fun because it is fun.
>>140061294
you dumbass. if something is fun it's fun. does it mean it's good? not necessarily, but it's still fun.
>>140047515
My lord and savior Watanabe prefers the dub so the dub is better. End of story.
Are all threads about Cowboy Bebop this bad?
>>140060958
>English is very bad at shouting, it's incredibly difficult to pull off without sounding very fake and awkward. Unfortunately for dubs, shouting is something the Japanese language is very good at, so there is a lot of it in anime.
Never thought about it this way, I just always thought that studios had to scrape the bottom of the barrel when it came to English VAs.
Bretty insightful post, anon
>>140061618I'm glad you liked it, anon.
>>140061566
Normally
>>140048670
> Hobby
anime is life you fucking casual faggot nigger
>>140060541
It's shameful how little people appreciate Yamadera.
Why do dubfags lie about what the director said?
>>140047515
pretending that the original is better than the dub is some pre-internet ultra old school weeb shit
>>140062851
Except he actually did say it you retard.
>>140063308
I just consider it shitposting to be honest.
>>140063453
And yet you still don't provide a source.
>>140063308
>original is better than the dub is some pre-internet ultra old school weeb shit
>>140060958
>cool guy" character, think James Bond
>cool guy
>James Bond
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
ITT: Were used to hearing english, so moonspeak sounds godly to us.
Anyone else like listening to both languages and noticing cool similarities (or dissimilarities) between the respective VAs? I remember Baccano's dub surprised me with how well they managed to voice-match Jacuzzi.
>>140064004
We're used to hearing natural sounding english, not english that has to try to match the rhythm and sounds of the original japanese. We're also used to hearing conversations between two people who can play off each other rather than separate recordings pieced together.
>Cowboy Bebop's English dub is considered the definitive edition, even by its own creators
Common dubfag lie.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100614081927/http://www.mania.com/anime-expo-new-york-cowboy-bebop-movie-dub-premier_article_86108.html
>Audience: What do you think of the American dub as opposed to the Japanese version?
>Watanabe: The American version if very well made this time. My English isn' that good, but I though it sounded very good.
>The director of the English dub was in the audience,
Japanese sense of politeness. Not one word about it being superior or preferred though.
Also according to some random ANN user:
>Just as a point of reference and/or interest, I was at a discussion/autograph evening with Shinichiro Watanabe a couple of months ago here in Edinburgh, and 2 episodes of Bebop were shown, in Japanese as that was how Watanabe had requested they be shown.
>>140050717
>animes
Are you really this new?
>>140060958
You know who's actually really good at getting across desperation and shouting? Johnny Young Bosch. Probably why he's so overexposed.
>>140053733
Nah, everyone was ass except Blum. One of the delinquent guys sounded like fucking Keanu.
>>140064125
>implying the cowboy bebop dub is bad
They actually got real nigsto voice the nigs in the mushroom samba episode and a real arab fo the particular character for the movie
>>140050717
I've found that cowboy bebop is pretty boring if you try to binge watch all of it in one setting.
I also couldn't get past episode 3 and put off watching for a month before I completely watched it.
The trick is to watch only one episode a day; no need to fucking rush yourself; just immerse yourself into the comfiness of the well written universe and god tier music.
You'll see why people rate it 10/10 if you watch it this way.
>>140065527
>implying the cowboy bebop dub is bad
Which post were you actually trying to quote, because it sure as hell wasn't mine.
>>140047515
This was one of the best dubs ever
>>140052397
You mean like every anime ever?
Even the subs have shitty lip synching
