>I'm gonna use my trump card that I've been keepin' secret all this time?
What did he mean by this?
why people still ask this? the episode summary we got already reveals what goku's trump card is
he uses the kaioken while in SSB mode
Who' the mystery fighter that stops Champa on episode 40?
I'm guessing it's Buu.
>>139952312
You coulda put that in tags. some of us like to be surprised.
He means he's going to build a wall to keep all the other universes out.
He's gonna build a wall.
>>139952108
He was going to make Dragonball Great Again
>>139952577
>>139952579
>Wallmind
>>139952108
His trump card is a5____
>>139952577
>>139952579
>Other universe eventually cracks the outer layer of the wall
>Inside is Mr. Popo
It says in the Episode title Goku's NEW TECHNIQUE
KaioKen is not a new technique.
>>139952846
But what if its God Kaioken?
One of the biggest drawbacks of the Kaioken was the amount of stress it put on the user's body by pushing it to it's limits.
In God form, maybe there's no longer a cap to the Kaioken's multiplier.
Get ready for Infinity Kaioken.
>Goku unveils a new technique pushing him even farther beyond Vegita
>Vegita says fuck it goes home and take up knitting
>>139953044
>Goku swings by to see Bulma one day, wearing a sweater he knit himself
>Meanwhile Vegeta fumes in the corner, his hands tangled in yarn.
>>139953044
>After beating all the everyone to beat in fights, Goku returns home to find Vegeta has become the best knitter
>Goku challenges Vegeta to a knit-off
>Goku wipes the floor with Vegeta even though Vegeta has been spending all his time weight training in high gravity to knit the best knits
Where do I read the episode summaries at?
>>139953310
>>139953313
>"It can't be, the legendary super stitcher!"
>>139953439
>This is super stitcher
>And this is super stitcher 2
>And now this is to go further beyond
>>139953501
>"Goku, if you knit any harder you're going to destroy the planet!"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>139952312
That's fucking retarded and wouldn't help him out at all. Would be much more believable to turn into SSG2 or SSG3.
Which makes him stronger, but magically less stronger than beerus because while consistency was never Dragonball's strong suit, the people in charge of DBS aren't even pretending to give a fuck.
>>139953044
>>139953310
>>139953313
>>139953439
>>139953501
>>139953576
>Legends have told of the Legendary Super Knitter God.
>5 good-hearted knitters came together and poured all their knitting know-hows into a single knitter, bestowing upon him knitting prowess far surpassing the limits of any ordinary knitter.
>With this, the Super Knitting God used his powers to out-knit those who would use knitting for the purpose of evil.
>>139953027
You mean the kaioken he never tried once to do since he used it against Freeza and Pikkon? "Kaioken x100"
>>139953576
>>139953501
>>139953605
>>139953439
>>139953313
>>139953310
Honestly I wouldn't mind an anime about sewing/knitting where they go about the process of making magic imbued garments
It could be great, the best Seamstresses go along on dungeon raids to collect rare material.
It would be GOAT
>>139953706
I'm now imagining a cross between DB Super and Yakitate Japan, except it has to do with Knitting instead of Bread.
>>139952312
Really? In Namek, he was already using Kaiokenx10 as a BASE form which is why he never bothered to use it.
>>139953835
Honestly, DBS writing is so bad I don't think there's much an anon could fake spoil here that I wouldnt' believe possible.
>>139953835
Two magazine summaries specifically mention that he's going to "break the seal" on Kaioken, so there's probably going to be something about it being a new version of the technique.
>>139954100
Well its a heavy strain on your body, the only way to go further is it like using your blood which makes the red aura
which is in several other manga
>>139954288
So he's going to turn SSB purple, isn't he?
>>139954100
Can anybody post the magazine summaries for the next episodes?
>>139954100
But the Kaioken is literally a shitty, inefficient and self-damaging version of the super saiyan transformation. Holy shit DBS is truly bad fanfiction.
>>139952577
To make universe great again!
>>139952312
I never understood why he never used again the kaioken after he got the SSJ.
SSJ was like base form x50.
If he got SSJ plus Kaioken at the same time, his multipliyer would go a lot higher.
>>139952312
Didn't he do that in a filler, but with regular Super Saiyan?
>>139954813
Yeah, he used the Super Kaioken against Pikkon during the Otherworld Tournament.
>>139954804
because it destroys your body
>>139954804
You literally said why. They both do the exact same thing, multiply his base strength. Except the Kaioken literally kills you if you try to get it to SS levels, let alone SS2 or SS3
>>139954849
Please stop treating bad movies as canon.
Instant transmission punches? Kaio-ken or just pushing to another transformation color or level for more speed is boring
>>139953706
Wtf is with this reddit type shit.
>>139954804
he didn't needed to use it again since ssj does the same thing better
>>139952108
>all this tryhard to make us believe Goku is stronger than superman
he will never be.
>>139954969
>Pikkon during the Otherworld Tournament
>a movie
>the discussion was about about canon
>>139955196
actually, there's a way to end the debate by having Goku's SSJG aura burn like a Red Sun's
>>139955240
What was it then, trashy animeonly filler?
Why do you people keep hating on Monaka.
he has literally done nothing wrong.
i think the reason why goku never used kaioken again was basically ssj is better also he never really wanted to beat the main villain
he wanted gohan to beat cell
then he wanted gotenks to beat buu
also toriyama forgot it
>>139955394
He's one of the most boring alien designs in the entirety of dragonball.
>>139955315
> there's a way to end the debate by having Goku's SSJG aura burn like a Red Sun's
1. that would imply Goku knows about his weakness
2. that wouldn't achieve much since you will still have a yellow radiation from the Sun. Red radiation doesn't necessarily take away his powers.
>>139955394
fuck all haters
he is clearly the best boy
>>139955359
About if it had happened on a filler, retard.
Just that. There is no need or reason to look further into it, except autism apparently.
>>139955315
>>139955439
i should add:
if in that scenario Goku and superman knows about each other, Superman doesn't even need to fight. If he feels Goku is a threat he can just lobotomize him from space while he is in base form. Arguably, superman has no ki, as that power does not exist in his universe and Goku wouldn't be able to detect him.
>>139955037
>stop having fun
>only reddit can have fun!
fuck off back to Facebook
>>139955528
>superman has no ki, as that power does not exist in his universe and Goku wouldn't be able to detect him.
Top kek
>>139955579
Just sayian
>>139955570
Maybe you could fuck off back to le-ddit and take this cringe shit with you.
>>139955504
If it happened in filler, it's pointless fanfiction and shouldn't have been brought up.
Or so I'd say, but super's awful writing is canonizing a lot of stupid filler so who knows, Super God Kaioken may actually be a thing soon.
What are trash like dragon ball fans and their stupid discussions about generic shounen power ups and "who is stronger batman or goku?" doing here?
fuck this shit man, I hope you guys dont really and unironically think that shows like this are any good.
saged
>>139955816
>If it happened in filler, it's pointless fanfiction
no one debated that, the guy just wanted confirmation about super kaioken happening in a filler, thats it, how autistic are you?
>>139956028
It's fun
>>139952108
huh...Does DBS turned into Za Warudo Battle?
Hes gonna rasengan his ass!
Future trunks returns, confirmed
>>139955816
>official filler
>on the same standing as fanfiction
fuck off, you're the reason the DB fanbase sucks
>>139956346
It had it in the Freeza saga.
Not here tho, since Hit's ability is not to stop time.
>he can only stop time for 0.01 seconds
Why is Champa fat?
>>139957093
>stop time
He skips time though.
Goku could just let Hit touch him, instant the both of them to the ground outside the ring, then push him to the ground and win that way.
>>139957035
>>on the same standing as fanfiction
It is, though. If official filler has something as buttfuck retarded as Super Saiyan Kaioken, it's worse than a lot of fanfiction.
>>139957482
>It is, though.
Not really.
>buttfuck retarded as Super Saiyan Kaioken
In what way is it retarded?
Let me remind you that "I dont get it" and "this character is too powerful" dont mean "retarded".
>>139957475
It's weird how they have ringouts in a martial arts tournament. What is this, sumo wrestling?
>>139957538
>In what way is it retarded?
The thread very clearly explains why it's retarded.
>>139957631
If you throw your opponent off a building, you win the fight.
Unless everyone can fly I guess.
>>139957666
Where?
All I see it's at most "it doesnt fit my headcanon".
>>139955579
>goku has to follow supermans reality's rules but superman doesn't have to follow the DBZ reality's rules
>>139957754
There's no headcanon involved. The way both SS and Kaioken work has been explained in detail in the series, which is why they're pointless together. They do literally the same thing, only one is way worse and actually hurts the user.
>>139958040
SSJ its not a bigger multiplier kaioken you retard, it's a different thing exclusive to saiyans. They never said they can't be combined.
So your version of "retarded" it's the "I didnt get it" one. Expected from dragon ball threads.
>>139958117
>SSJ its not a bigger multiplier kaioken you retard, it's a different thing exclusive to saiyans.
it is an exclusive, bigger multiplier. They both multiply the base form, they both do the exact same thing. If they could be combined, why weren't they combined before surely he could have used that in the many emergencies he faced? But what is the point of bringing it out now? I mean, the SS transformation is nerfed to hell because otherwise God powered Goku would easily be stronger than Beerus and whis. So what's the point of making him able to use a new multiplier to get over that?
DO you realize the ridiculous feedback loop you get from being able to use them together? At SS, goku is tougher, so he can hold even higher kaiokens. SO what happens when a 50x stronger goku uses a 50x kaioken? Do you get the fucking picture?
>>139958411
>So what's the point of making him able to use a new multiplier to get over that?
Especially since going SS2 or SS3 would literally do the same thing without killing him for it.
>>139958411
>They both multiply the base form, they both do the exact same thing
They are multipliers, they never said that if you alter your power before using them you lose the previous power up. By that logic, SSJ1 should be stronger than SSJ2 and 3 since the multiplier there is bigger, that's not how it works, the multipliers stack.
>, why weren't they combined before surely he could have used that in the many emergencies he faced?
Because Toriyama forgot about it.
>But what is the point of bringing it out now? I mean, the SS transformation is nerfed to hell because otherwise God powered Goku would easily be stronger than Beerus and whis. So what's the point of making him able to use a new multiplier to get over that?
Let's wait till the actual episode comes out. People said similar thing when Freeza was announced to return.
You're just filling holes with headcanon for it to make sense in your head, but you should go by what has been stated.
>DO you realize the ridiculous feedback loop you get from being able to use them together?
Yes. That doesn't prove they can't be used together though.
>>139958609
>Yes. That doesn't prove they can't be used together though.
From a writing standpoint, it does, though. Bringing out the Kaioken would do nothing than what his current abilities already do, and to work together it would have to create big fucking plot holes.
But we've established super has fanfiction tier writing so it's not unbelievable, just retarded.
And Frieza's retutrn was fucking idiotic, I don't see why you'd even bother bringing that up.
>>139953576
Top kek
>>139958736
>Bringing out the Kaioken would do nothing than what his current abilities already do
SSJ1xKaioken20 = basex50x20=basex1000
SSJ3=x400
It's actually better.
>and to work together it would have to create big fucking plot holes.
Yes, and? Plot holes are a thing. That's why, you know, there's a term for that.
>But we've established super has fanfiction tier writing so it's not unbelievable, just retarded.
Aside from retardedly contradicting the manga ending it's not that bad.
>And Frieza's retutrn was fucking idiotic, I don't see why you'd even bother bringing that up.
Because people said "Oh, how are they gonna explain him being a threat" instead of waiting for the actual fucking movie to come out, where they did explain how did he get stronger(whether it was a good explanation or not matters not here). I brought it up because you're arriving at conclusions before actually watching the episode. If and when it happens then you may say the writing is retarded(ignoring the fact that you don't know how kaioken works).
>>139958900
>Top kek
>>>/b/
>>139957470
they said he stops time for everyone else but himself
also Beerus said something along the lines of
>"Hit sounds like someone familiar but I can't remember clearly."
and Wis said something like
>"Hit never fails to take out his target."
First thing I thought of was Punch as a synonym to Hit and, as Beerus said can't remember clearly and Wis said never fails, I came to the conclusion ofSaitama being the thing they loosing based Hit's strength on.Please forgive my autism.
>>139958979
>Yes, and? Plot holes are a thing. That's why, you know, there's a term for that.
There's a difference between the author creating plot holes and you justifying your plot-hole creating head canon on the fact that plot-holes exist. What your saying is that Goku had a bullshit power up he could have used any time during the Cell and Buu sagas but simply chose not to when the far more reasonable explanation is that it wouldn't do anything or it wouldn't work.
>>139958411
since when does a transformation=multiplier?
I really don't know where you guys are getting SSJ is a multiplier, pls explain.
>>139952420
There's a fighter that stops champa?
So based off the Akira interviews. Loos like Goku will reach white hair super sayian God after he masters it. Which I wonder if that will be stronger than Beerus. Second he claims a popular character has a interesting future in store for them. So who could that be? Gohan? Trunks?
Remember when Guldo could stop time for as long as he could hold his breath? Apparently none of the writers do.
>>139959222
> you justifying your plot-hole creating head canon on the fact that plot-holes exist.
What headcanon? Goku has two unrelated abilities that he can use at the same time.
Post where has it ever been stated that they can't be used together? Do so or admit you're wrong.
>>139959281
>http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/
Super exciting guide.
>>139959398
He's dead, and weak.
>>139959398
Well, Hit doesnt stop time so there's that.
>>139955394
He also hasn't done anything right or good to justify his existence.
>>139957470
isn't stopping time and skipping time the same thing?
Hit can do .01 seconds...
Guldo can do like 30 seconds or however much he can hold his breathe.
>>139959449
>What headcanon? Goku has two unrelated abilities that he can use at the same time.
Nor has he stated that they _can_ be used together, which is why it is head-canon on both sides. Anything the author hasn't said is head-canon, by definition.
The difference between my head-canon and your head-canon is that your head-canon creates gaping plot holes. Other head-canons, like the assumption that physics works more or less the same in the DB universe or that Pluto exists in the DB universe, are reasonable because we have no reason to believe them to be false.
>>139955816
not either of them but nigga did you even read the discussion? your comprehension skills are lacking.
>>139959550
Just wait till ep 40.
>>139959499
>>139959501
My point is that everybody's going on like Hit's 0.1 seconds is something new. Even Whis said he's never seen any time manipulators other than him. Which is obviously bullshit.
>>139959656
>Nor has he stated that they _can_ be used together, which is why it is head-canon on both sides. Anything the author hasn't said is head-canon, by definition.
They never stated if Goku can use JanKenPon in super saiyan, so I guess it's headcanon to assume he can.
>The difference between my head-canon and your head-canon is that your head-canon creates gaping plot holes.
I'm not headcanonng though, I'm being based on what we know.
>, like the assumption that physics works more or less the same in the DB universe or that Pluto exists in the DB universe, are reasonable because we have no reason to believe them to be false.
You're pretty much proving me right here.
>>139959766
>They never stated if Goku can use JanKenPon in super saiyan, so I guess it's headcanon to assume he can.
Yes, that is literally what I just said. If you can't read an entire post, then there is no point responding to you until you address the plot holes your assumption creates.
>>139959347
It seems like we will be setting up for a new bad guy
>>139959449
>literally several pages of text
Are you serious mate? I even ctrl+f and found multiply 1 time. I also searched multipl and found 10 results that were irrelevant. It didn't even find kiaoken, not once. Not even kiao was found. I was at least expecting a direct link to an official source that clearly said something close to: "Kiaoken ONLY multiplies Goku's base form and 'SSJ' IS a multiplier to his base form."
>>139959398
I'm guessing Guldo can't hurt fighters when frozen right? You need keep in mind krillin and gohan was giving him a lot of trouble at a low level.
>>139959841
>Yes, that is literally what I just said.
You later contradicted that logic though. When did they stated Pluto exists in the DB universe?
> until you address the plot holes your assumption creates.
I didnt write Dragon Ball, I wont adress it's plot holes.
The guy who did, though, supervises Super's plot, which features Goku combining both techniques.
>>139959926
Literally the three paragraphs after "Super exciting guide" talk about super saiyan multipliers.
>>139959501
>>139959579
are the subs not right because you all are contradicting them? The subs said that Hit can stop time for everyone else but he can still move.
>>139959706
Maybe Wis was just unaware of him. The universe is fucking huge, yo.
>>139960101
>The subs said that Hit can stop time for everyone else but he can still move.
Wasnt that Jaco and Patrol King's initial assumption?
>>139955410
Or some bullshit like kaioken isn't compatible with ss but it is with god form.
>>139959999
>When did they stated Pluto exists in the DB universe?
I explicitly said that was a head-canon. I also said it was reasonable, but still a head-canon. Yours is not reasonable, as it would create a plot hole in the series.
>The guy who did, though, supervises Super's plot, which features Goku combining both techniques.
Not only is he not the author, he only did it in an explicitly non-canon movie. It's like saying something you read in a Star Wars novel is canon to the movies when it would create a plot-hole in the movies. He made the same unreasonable assumption that you did -- that kaioken could be used in super saiyan form even though it would not make sense for Goku to never use it again if that were the case -- and wrote a non-canon plotline that included it.
>>139960183
I think so but that doesn't rule out that Hit really is stopping time. He never he wasn't either when Goku said it to him.
>>139960287
>Yours is not reasonable, as it would create a plot hole in the series.
Mine is not a headcanon though.
>Not only is he not the author
Toriyama is not the author of Dragon Ball?
> he only did it in an explicitly non-canon movie
The Other World tournament was a movie now?
Nigga, stop drunkposting, it's not good.
In the preview, the OP pic, he is moving while Goku isn't. Looks like time is stopped to me.
>>139960401
>Mine is not a headcanon though.
Define head-canon, then.
>Toriyama is not the author of Dragon Ball?
Toriyama did not write anime fillers.
>but he looked at them!
And Lucas proof-reads every Star Wars novel.
>The Other World tournament was a movie now?
Yes, there was a movie.
>>139960307
The name of the technique it's literally "Time Skip"
>>139961864
and the character's literally said "stops time"
why dose the animation keep fucking getting worse?????????
![1262074700461[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0FmJ2HV.jpg "1262074700461[1].jpg")
>>139959999
Nice quad
Why are they going through the fights so quickly? If this was dbz we would have gotten 2 eps for vegeta vs hit. Not saying I don't mind cutting the fat, it's just different
So Vegeta jobs horribly and humiliatingly to Hit and can't even manage to get a hit on him but Goku is going to win.
Well warp kamehameha is a thing so actual teleportation might catch him off guard.
are you guys really ok with the way dbs pisses all over everything that was good about dbz? it's fucking even more blasphemous than gt.
>>139964300
Think professional wrestling.
>>139963143
it's actually gotten better. Not by much but it has.
>>139955394
>falling asleep when he should be cheering on his teammates
He's just not that great.
>>139964300
Vegeta was tired, and he didn't get the hint from the spectators about Hit's time stopping power. Goku was given some decent advantages.
>>139964300
why didnt vegeta just supernova like he did against the robot? can't dodge aoe.
>>139955394
>Monaka was an amateur
>Instead of some strong fuck
Goddamnit Toriyama
>>139966129
Hit will hit him first, and cancel Vegeta's Ki attack.
>mfw
>>139965186
If you'd been lurking you'd already know the answer to that question, fuckboi.
Goku's counter to Hit'a time stop makes no fucking sense
>>139967830
Why doesn't it? What doesn't make sense is that predicting your opponents moves is something that no one else could think of.
>>139955394
I dropped after the Frieza arc. Is he actually confirmed weak yet or that still speculation?
>>139968640
It's pretty much confirmed, unless they intend to pull something stupid like he's ACTUALLY really strong, but he managed to ruse literally everyone.
>>139953597
except the reason Super Cyan 2/3 will never happen is because of consistency. Super Cyan 2/3 would push them over Beerus while Kaiouken would only make him slightly stronger, and there's nothing explicitly stated by Toriyama EVER that says he can't use Kaiouken in another transformation, and in DBZ anime he did use it with SSJ when he was desperate against Pikkon.
I'm more concerned with how they're going to rebalance powerlevels between Vegeta and Goku after this.
Has this been posted here before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD1RaXzl2Po
>>139952108
hes gonna mix instant transmission into his attacks more seamlessly so he can block punch faster than hit can react
So Hit is basically watered down DIO?
>>139969332
More like King Crimson.
>>139968310
The training they were receiving from Whis was not to focus on prediction, but rather, reaction. Thinking too much slowed the brain or whatever.
>every single tournament saga in a manga the only voice I can imagine for the announcer is the one from the World Tournament
Dragon ball set the best tropes
Forgot that kaioken can heighten the senses by a lot.
>>139965227
So is Goku John Cena? Who is going to end up being Roman Reigns?
>>139955196
He's already stronger than new 52 superman at this point.
>>139956028
>why are you discusing an anime in an anime imageboard
go kill yourself faggot
>>139959579
No its not the same, you can't counter an attack when time is stopped, you can when is skipped.
>>139969612
The argument has always boiled down to Silver age supes vs. Goku. With Super, Gokus getting pretty close.
Unfortunately Toriyama seems allergic to actually showing us any of the all out power feats like back in DBZ days.
>>139954804
I'm starting to think this "Well SSJ is 50x base modifier" is just fanon bullshit, or it was said in some game, rather than something Toriyama said himself.
or at least he doesn't seem to think it works like that anyway. People were saying "Well SSJ Vegito or SSJSSG should be a thousand times stronger than Beerus logically since it's a 50x blah blah".
DVD extras say Vegito would get his shit kicked in, SSG is much bigger deal than fusion, and SSB is still nowhere near Beerus.
If it was 50x modifier whatever the fuck, then SSB would be at least twenty times Beerus level or something. This is something repeated a lot, but seriously I don't think it works that way at all.
Super Saiyan power up is just "I've gotten somewhat a lot stronger", while Kaio-Ken is the classic x2 or x4.
>>139955394
He has literally done nothing.
>>139969696
>is just fanon bullshit, or it was said in some game, rather than something Toriyama said himself.
Its just shit from the Daizenshuu which everyone should ignore.
>>139969696
>expecting Toriyama to be consistent
Even Araki writing Jojo is more consistent with rules and powers.
>>139966170
Why do people think this?
>>139968857
Whis didn't say he wasn't strong, rather he was an amateur. He also said that Monoka's race may have some strange ability still, but who knows. Niche abilities while having no actual fighting skill seem to be the future.
It sounded like he'll do something at the end of this arc when Champa threatens to destroy his own team.
I can tell you that you don't introduce a character that's built up at all, or plot element, only for it to go literally no where. Monoka still has a role to play here at least.
>>139969723
it was relevant in the frieza arc
but since then power levels became bullshit and anyone arguing with multipliers is making a fool of themselves
power is more abstract in dbz now
>>139967830
If hit skip time for himself, then it make sense.
DBS should be banned from /a/, or treated the same way Naruto is. It attracts the same autistic 12 year olds.
>>139969828
enjoy your ban
>>139969805
>power is more abstract in dbz now
Only because Toriyama knew he couldn't keep up the steadily increasing power levels of the main cast without turning Goku into a universe buster by the Buu saga. e.g. Vegetas final flash in Cell saga being able to completely destroy perfect cell (if it had hit) which is way above what Vegeta is normally capable of, but in Super it's a glorified power attack that barely pushed his opponent off balance.
>>139969480
Tournament Announcer Guy has always been an amazing character, and I like that this Tournament's announcer has been a cool guy. I hope they meet some day, have a nice chat about the crazy super-powered weirdos that keep putting up these spectacular matches.
>Majunior there, green guy? Yeah, he got so pissed he blew up the entire stadium! Everyone had to run for their lives!
>And you still stayed there for the match? You're a true pro.
>Had to hide in a ditch and everything! But good ol' Goku finally got that win he's been waiting for for so long.
>>139968640
>Dropped it right before the actual new content shows up
>Rather than just not picking it up until the new original content shows up
The arcs that retread the movies were rushed half-drawn shit.
The new arc has had some good moments in comparison, with a few clever fights rather than just power levels.
>>139952312
>Spent the whole DBZ explaining how aura transformations like Kaioken and anything higher than SSJ give huge strains to the body and diminishing returns
If he's actually going to use it I'm going to be mad.
>>139969332
>Calling King Crimson just a watered down The World
Fuck you
Go read part five again
>>139969890
>with a few clever fights rather than just power levels.
is it bad that I actually don't like this
If I wanted clever fights, I'd watch something like Jojo or HxH.
>>139969922
Not really, the clever fights are really not that clever at all.
>>139969914
But Hits power is described as just being able to stop time for a very short period of time.
>>139969678
>Unfortunately
Why? This all-out power is fucking boring. We already reached the point where Goku and Beerus can destroy the universe by PUNCHING eachother. Same with Beerus and Champa, which is why the tournament was organized in the first place (but then again why don't Goku and Hit have the same effect?).
How do you even fucking want to go past that? Remember when Vegeta was impressive for being the first planet buster encountered in the series? Now that shit is fucking child's play. Literally. As in fucking Goten and Trunks can destroy entire planets, if not entire star systems.
>>139969885
>but in Super it's a glorified power attack that barely pushed his opponent off balance.
That's because despite what people say at times, the people that're fighting aren't shit level fodder who are probably Freiza or Buu arc level goons.
They are the strongest people in the other universe, and robot guy's defense was still unbroken in the end because he was just too damn tough. Vegeta could only win because he broke the arena under robo so that he fell out.
>>139970003
Actually he only won because he hurt the metal man's feelings.
>>139969885
because, anon, he has ki control. he clearly didn't pour all of his strength into super's final flash and was not trying to kill his opponent and blow everything up.
>>139969992
>Why?
Because they're at the point where they can travel to entire different multiverses, yet we're still stuck in a tiny tournament arena where no one can actually show off.
Plus, I want some goddamn awesome looking super attacks. You know how shit like the final flash looked in DBZ, with Vegeta completely annihilating the island cell was on and the attack blasting off into space? I want some of that.
>>139969992
>but then again why don't Goku and Hit have the same effect?
Goku has friends and family in the audience.
Hit probably doesn't want to get DQ'd for accidental murder of the audience. Hence pressure points.
>>139970072
>You know how shit like the final flash looked in DBZ, with Vegeta completely annihilating the island cell was on and the attack blasting off into space?
It would not surprise me if we never see that again.
>>139970003
>>139970065
Both of these might be true, but they could've at least TRIED to make it look like less of a glorified power attack. Seriously, go watch the original final flash and compare it to the one Vegeta did in Super.
>>139969893
Super Cyan consumes no stamina or energy.
>>139970003
vegeta should've been able to destroy them in SSB form, as of right now, aren't their SSB forms as strong as BOG ritual Super Saiyan God? (with the ritual form giving a bigger power boost and the healing, meaning that the SSG form is technically stronger than SSB, i won't be surprised if they have to whip out a fusion SSG in a future arc)
also, on a side note, anyone else hyped for the potential fusion of characters? the only reason to put any screen time on the dragon balls unfusing the potaro fused kais is because that is foreshadow potaro earings use, as they just showed that it has literally no down side now.
>>139970105
>>139952108
Wait, Goku is now a silver ssj?
>>139970064
i interpreted what happened as he wouldve broke the arena and won anyway. thats just toriyama's humor
>>139970131
>also, on a side note, anyone else hyped for the potential fusion of characters? the only reason to put any screen time on the dragon balls unfusing the potaro fused kais is because that is foreshadow potaro earings use, as they just showed that it has literally no down side now.
Not really. Was never too big a fan of fusion.
>>139970160
Not yet.
It's Hit's ZA WARUDO ability.
>>139970115
Except Goku stayed on normal against Hit for the opposite reasons.
>>139970105
>>139970072
we got that with planets being vaporized in SSG ritual forms vs beerus with punches. other than that, energy attacks in super have been really low quality. post WEBMS of the good ones
>>139970131
>also, on a side note, anyone else hyped for the potential fusion of characters?
Vegeto/Gogeta SSGSS would need a Gurren Lagann-tier final enemy to really be needed. Even normal old Super saiyan Vegeto/Gogeta was stupidly fucking powerful.
>>139969500
Future Trunks.
>>139970177
They literally said that SSB consumes no stamina in Resurrection of F.
>>139970211
Looks like they lied.
>>139970110
the original final flash was as the name says, a final flash
you could say that final flash wasn't a final flash but just a normal flash, because he didnt put all his strength into it. he couldnt, it was a tournament survival style
>>139970201
Reminder that Vegito > Gogeta
>>139970160
Goku realized he can't beat superman as a japanese anime, so he joined the marvel universe as Galactus' herald. He gets power ups from american comics, without dc nerfing him to make superman look good.
>>139970177
i think thats just goku being cocky. they dont use forms unless pushed to the limit, and vegeta KNEW he HAD to go blue vs hit
goku saw the fight and had an advantage vegeta didnt vs hit, with the spectators commentary of his power so goku could be cocky.
>>139970242
>Reminder that Vegito > Gogeta
I can never remember which is which.
Regardless, point still stands. Even Beerus would be a mite compared to either Gogeta or Vegito SSGSS
>>139970201
reminder that power scaling hit the soft cap of diminishing returns or some other bullshit toriyama made up
essentially, this means we have entered the next tier where everyone is stupidly strong, im hyped for this dude.
that are foreshadowing it. this is just the tournament arc where only word building happens and barely shit happens.
we are getting teased
i hope this shit sales so i can watch DB for the rest of my life
>>139970201
Base Vegito was as strong as Super Saiyan 4 Goku according to guidebooks, and Beerus makes Super Saiyan 3 Vegito look like a chump.
Blue Vegito would be something to behold.
They'd need an enemy that threatens the multiverse, all of space. All oftime.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nReqeBSp_WY&nohtml5=False
>>139970211
>>139970257
He literally said he wanted to buy the most time possible and then use Blue once he figured out what to do because otherwise he would have gotten tired more quickly.
>>139970211
No they didn't.
>>139970284
oh yeah almost forgot, i meant potaro fusion was foreshadowed
i dont see gogeta popping up any time soon, but hey, akira does crazy wild shit sometimes.
but the dance seems to be trunks and gotens signature move now soo
>>139970302
xenoverse 2 is coming out and xenoverse 1 was pretty successful, i wont be surprised if they use some of the plot elements of xenoverse like tira and mowa because their designs are really dragon ball super esque. they seemed out of place BEFORE super, but now with beerus whiz champa holy shit towa and mira fit supers design
>>139970387
I love Towa!
>>139970302
>Beerus makes Super Saiyan 3 Vegito look like a chump.
Uwot? Did you mean Super Saiyan 3 Goku?
Also, yeah that's pretty much why I said Gurren Lagann tier, with the final attack being literally larger than the visible universe.
>>139970335
its definitely not as demanding as super saiyan 3, and as RoF taught us, the forms weakness is NOT a time limit. if he was really worried and his form time limit runs out/gets gradually weaker like golden frieza, that would be a blaring plot hole
however, knowing toriyama, its possible
>>139953044
>Knitting
>not cooking
>>139970398
their design is like an evil vados/whiz race
vados reminds me of towa (the girl right? dont remember maybe mira)
and vados has minor foreshadowing to show mischievous tendencies and may be evil, but her goal? we'll find out soon.
>>139955439
Modern Supes doesn't lose power from a red sun. He just doesn't get power from it. That means you still have a guy who can bench a planet effortlessly for 5 days and move faster than the speed of light while not being not being weak to laser pens flying about. He'd just have no way to refill his batteries if he went all out, which for Goku, even in God mode, he wouldn't have to use 10% of his potential to end it in one hit.
>>139970387
>holy shit towa and mira fit supers designThere's a chance they could be the main antagonists of Super. Just like there's a good chance Future Trunks is coming back. Toriyama made them and has stated before that he'd like to use them in a story, and a few comments from the recent interview with him and Toyble (the guy working on Super's manga adaptation) mention both a fan-favorite from the future, and a villain with white hair (which was apparently why Blue ended up Blue and not "Silver Saiyan" or something). Mira has Saiyan cells, can go Super Saiyan, and is a demon...
>>139970302
I imagine the powering up sequence would be enough to tear holes in the universe.
Fuck, this is the kind of shit DBM should be doing.
>>139970418
come on, the power jump from end of z to super is fucking HUGE
beerus makes EVERYTHING from DBZ look bad
even gogeta fused with vegito
>>139970503
>Literally would have destroyed the universe as a SIDE EFFECT of a couple of punches colliding
>Supes doesn't even need 10% to deal with that
Spot the fanboy.
>>139970418
BoG and Super confirm via Goku that even if he fused with Vegeta again, they'd stand no chance against Beerus.
Wasn't it stated that Goku and Vegeta working together could give Beerus a run for his money as they are now?
>>139970520
yeah i seriously think this too, time patrol trunks was a cool character. they just need to throw away some aspects of xenoverse and refine the ideas it made. there HAS to be some crossover, xenoverse comes in introduces time travel alternate universe shenanigans and super does the same? not a coincidence.
>>139970520
where is super saiyan mira from?
>>139970561
Wasn't that stated before they each got God powers?
>>139970540
I dunno about that, really. Vegito made super buu look like a complete joke even after being turned into a jawbreaker while Beerus just one shotted fat buu. I'm sure vegito is still weaker than beerus, but not by a large margin,
>>139970540
Yes, but the power jump from SSJ3 Goku to Vegito was insanely large too, remember. In just his base SSJ form, he was toying with the same Buu that was wrecking Gokus shit at SSJ3 beforehand. SSJ3 Vegito might not have been enough to take out Beerus, but when you consider the power jump of SSJ3 to SSGSS then I don't think Beerus would stand a chance.
>>139970561
that is false, because whiz mentioned that if they teamed up, not fused, against beerus, they would give him a hard time and possibly beat him.
fusion is way stronger than just fighting together
remember when gotenks reached goku/super buu tiers of power with fusion? if that mother fucker didnt dick around, he wouldve ended buu easily
>>139970522
>Fuck, this is the kind of shit DBM should be doing.
lolnope
Enjoy your bitchy Mary Sue Bra and ANOTHER two or three shitty filler chapters. Remember that time Gohan stopped Babidi because Babidi was a fucking moron? Or how about Bojack or Cell killing everyone, shitty art included? Ooh ooh, Goku's mom is the strongest Saiyan and also was the first Super Saiyan for realses!
>>139970630
>tfw no SSB Gotenks dicking around
>>139970603
Yes, before they hit God Tier.
>>139970630
Before they trained with Whis and before Goku goes God.
>>139970603
the god power is a technique that seems to be preventing excess ki from leaking out. they were put in that hyperbolic time chamber filled with "god ki" or whatever it was filled with. the only way for them to move was to prevent their ki from leaking, which the obvious train of thought is since that training led to super saiyan blue, to achieve super saiyan blue you just have to prevent your KI from leaking
now, the REAL question is, can they make use of that in base form? when they do it in super saiyan form, they turn blue haired.
do they naturally do it in base form now?
they clearly dont in super saiyan gold
we dont have enough world building yet to fully know
>>139970648
The last part of DBM I remember enjoying was Broly vs Vegito, honestly. Haven't read it in months since then.
Have they at least hinted at some of the cooler matchups that could happen, e.g. Gogeta vs Vegito or something?Or Gogeta and Vegito fusing together to defeat a Buu that absorbs the contestants because why not, fuck the rules?
>>139970613
vegito, in buu arc, is crazy strong. at the end of DBZ, vegito is by far, the STRONGEST character. but remember, beerus is literally the god of destruction who kills planets with sneezes, not even vegito holds a light to beerus.
well, now he does, but not buu arc vegito
>>139970629
yes, if vegeta and goku turned into vegito now, they would definitely beat beerus.
but neither of them want to surpass beerus that way, theirs no point. he isnt a villain threatening to destroy them anymore, so no need to transform. he's now a rival.
but i was talking about DBZ vegito, when i said vegito i meant in his canon appearance and his power AT that time, not what it would theoretically be now
>>139970700
>not even vegito holds a light to beerus.
Dude, Beerus himself admitted that Goku at Super Saiyan God was taking him at 70% strength. Goku and Vegeta working together could probably take Beerus, not even fused.
Factoring in fusion, and Vegito completely outpaces the power of any other character by far.
>>139970670
what? im the 2nd guy you replied to
>>139970520
Why is Towa such a deviantart fangirl?
>I'll make my own, better Cell, because he was best villain! Also he is my husbando and is a demon and can go super saiyan and he took over Frieza's empire he has five throbbing blue dicks and and and we have babies and take over the universe and all of time! That'll show that Supreme Kai of Time and Jason McNally for making fun of my drawings in school!
>>139970739
>but i was talking about DBZ vegito, when i said vegito i meant in his canon appearance and his power AT that time, not what it would theoretically be now
?????
But this entire discussion started about a SSGSS Vegito/Gogeta?
>>139970747
Did you even read the last sentence in that post are do you like to pretend to be retarded?
>>139970747
you dragon ball normies are literally illiterate fuck off ya stupid wanker, i said dbz vegito didnt
vegito now definitely beats beerus.
read my whole post next time u fucking piece of shit im literally reporting your stupid ass and i hope a janitor bans you
>>139970778
It pretty much sounded like you were saying that current Vegito would be able to go up against Beerus, rather than completely stomp him.
>>139970700
I remember, but I still think if ss3 goku could only do a punch up with kid buu and lose, then get flicked to defeat by beerus, then vegito can mock super buu while fighting as a piece of candy, I assume vegito could at least broach ssg goku's power.
>>139959579
Hit doesn't time stop though. He skips .1 seconds in time while being fast as fuck. That's why his attacks are visually impossible to follow but they can be predicted. Plus the Z fighters and co have ALWAYS struggled to keep an advantage over weaker fighters who can't be ki sensed. It was a factor when they fought Android 19 and 20 as well as 17.
They rely too much on following ki so that when it's removed, they can't fight at their full power because they aren't visually capable of keeping up.
>>139970829
well, technically goku in SSJ3 was stronger than kid buu super buu and fat buu. buu's true strength lied in his regeneration and magic. and in kid buu form, his most dangerous but not most powerful form, its tougher than super buu because he just never holds back
the reason they beat buu with spirit bomb was because goku wanted to let vegeta fight buu for a bit and give him a shot, or thats what my memory tells me. its been years, could be wrong
>>139970837
in jojo i never understood the time skip mechanic
i still dont get it in super
can you try and explain?
>>139970823
That wasn't even my post and it literally starts off
>Vegito, in the buu arc
Go get some glasses or retake 2nd grade English.
>>139970913
It just werks.
>>139970925
>not even vegito holds a light to beerus.
>well, now he does, but not buu arc vegito
Also if it's not even your post, the fuck are you arguing for retard?
>hurr durr I like to butt in just to call you retarded
Wow, fucking stellar contribution.
>>139970913
The World/Star Platinum is basically stopping time, with the user (DIO/Jotaro) being able to move in the stopped time.
King Crimson I've got no fucking clue, someone else can explain that one.
>>139970887
>well, technically goku in SSJ3 was stronger than kid buu super buu and fat buu
Not Super.
>goku wanted to let vegeta fight buu for a bit and give him a shot
No he didn't.
>>139970977
"oh shit i made a mistake"
"MUH EGO CANT TAKE IT"
"DAMAGE CONTROL"
"FLING SHIT"
"ITS NOT MY FAULT"
>>139968310
Vegeta sorta did that though. He used a sacrificial move to try and get a hit. He got dodged and hit again.
>>139970697
They're still in the Tournament. Buu's tried to make the matches "more interesting" (get some fighters new skills or powerups), Bra is still annoying, there's some vague threat from OC MacBadguy, and honestly, it just seems to be dragging its feet even harder than before.
>>139971028
Who lacks reading comprehension, again? The post basically says "Well now vegito can hold a candle to Beerus". That doesn't imply Vegito wiping the floor with Beerus, which is what I said.
>>139970887
I remember goku saying he might have been able to beat fat buu with ss3, but when he fought kid buu he couldn't keep up
>>139971027
yeah he was, the series alluded to it multiple times. its why in fat buu fight he was in angel form and was forced to go back to heaven.
gotenks was stronger than super buu and i dont think toriyama would write gotenks to be stronger than goku, gotenks was just there in place of goku because goku was dead.
and the last fight vs kid buu, goku even said he just wanted to give vegeta a shot.
they are fucking idiots and do this shit all the time. remember cell 2nd form? vegeta literally let him get full form
>>139971056
>Bra
Oh I forgot about that stupid thing.
>>139971065
can u just get banned already or use a trip so i can filter u
>>139971073
fat buu was weaker than kid buu and super buu i believe, the fat kai nerfed him.
>ITT: Power levels all over the place
so i re watched the cabba fight because subs and holy shit, cabba might just be vegeta's u6 counterpart.
>>139971113
I can't tell if you're actually retarded or pretending, because you seem so invested in this argument.
>>139971115
Power Levels were a dumb concept and I wish Toriyama never came up with the idea. Fans, ESPECIALLY western fans, are obsessed with something that the series itself actively shits on. Fuck Power Levels.
>>139971157
yeah well thanks for the win, as you have no evidence against what im saying other than "you're actually retarded"
>>139971113
yeah, fat buu is the weakest of the forms. So if goku was only mostly sure he could have beat fat buu as ss3, there is no way he could beat kid buu as ss3.
>>139971089
>and i dont think toriyama would write gotenks to be stronger than goku
You thought wrong. SSJ3 Gotenks> SSJ3 Goku.
Goku flat out states both he and Vegeta together would be killed easily by Super Buu 1.
>and the last fight vs kid buu, goku even said he just wanted to give vegeta a shot.
No he didn't.
>>139971176
Goku later tells Piccolo he could have beaten Fat Buu as SSJ3, but he wanted someone else to do it.
>>139971164
I thought the entire point of the Frieza saga was to hammer in the point that power levels meant fucking nothing.
>>139971175
>>139971157
also, as a side note, i like gohan and vegeta more than i like goku, so im not a le goku fan boy. i like goku, but i hate the fact he stayed instead of gohan taking over and how he magically surpasses vegeta 24/7, vegeta needs to surpass goku sometimes, like maybe a whole arc, to make the rivarly seem real and fresh.
>>139971115
>>139971164
it's funny no one has said 'power levels' this entire thread, people are just comparing bench marks and fights to gauge a character's relative strength.
