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Are you ready for the "Aizen was a good guy" twist?
I've been ready
>>139921149
>being this delusional
Since when were you under the impression that Aizen was the bad guy?
>>139921149
That's nice and all OP.
But call me up when Son Ichigo-kun finally uses his Bankai, after 2 fucking years.
Aizen killed Gin.
He can never be accepted by the light again.
>>139921249
dumb drakeposter
>>139921149
Are you ready for Aizen to reappear only to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Everything up until now has been according to his plan/a delusion experienced by all because his Bankai is named Tite Kobu, and it's power is asspull utterly fucking dumbfuckery and trolling.
>>139921373
wasn't it just self defence?
Aizen murdered living humans with his reiatsu when he could have easily stepped around or shunpou'd past them. He's not a "good guy".
>>139921258
Bleach doesn't have good guys or bad guys.
Lvl 1 readers pls don't make threads.
>>139921684
kek
going by that logic, aizen had to send hinamori into toshiros blow out of self defense
>>139922065
Hinamori was completely infatuated with him and the only way to save himself was to stab her. At least twice.
Self defense.
>>139922039
So Ichigo is not a good, morally flawless guy?
>>139922138
The first time he "stabbed" her was the night before he "died" let's be real.
>>139922065
i mean aizen didn't plan to kill gin. he did it because gin tried to kill him
>implying Hinamori isn't Aizen
>>139922288
>i mean aizen didn't plan to kill gin.
not sure about this.
he was aware he would have to kill gin out of self defense, but still kept him around.
so, yes, he planned to kill gin.
>>139922215
He's not good or bad, he's a tool being used by whoever is the final boss. Last time it was Aizen.
He wants to protect his friends but that's only good from his point of view.
>>139922360
Gin betraying Aizen was the most bull shit twist I've ever seen in my life.
>>139922401
Then you've never seen Naruto or a Shamalan movie.
>>139922401
i did not read fan discussions before the 1000 blood war arc, but i am pretty sure that countless fans predicted that. gin always seemed fishy as fuck.
the moment i knew that either aizen or gin would die by the other ones hand was when the name of gins bankai was revealed.
>>139922401
Not really, his relationship with Rangiku was implying he wasn't a bad guy.
>>139922503
i still do not get why raping rangiku does strenghten the hogyoku
>>139922394
>He wants to protect his friends but that's only good from his point of view.
So, basically, he is a good guy.
His only bad actions happen unbeknownst to him.
In the Mexico Arc, he had three major arrancar fights, and he spared all three of them.
colored art of kenpachi's bankai form?
>>139921149
I am afraid that Aizen's bankai is just going to be a lame power up
>>139921149
Anon, I love Aizen as much as everyone else, but under no circumstances is he a good guy. He's done plenty of messed up shit, and most of it was just for the lulz.
>b-but he wanted to kill SK
Yhwach has killed SK, but that doesn't make him a hero.
>>139921149
Seriously though who else but Aizen has a chance of being a competent Soul King? Itchigo? Bach?
>>139924770
The actual question is whether the Soul King is or is not a good goi.
>>139925035
The bits of information we have on him suggest that he is a monster who doesn't belong in this world. That said, he lives on through Yhwach, so Aizen's goal is still to be properly achieved.
>>139921149
I'm ready for any twist. At this point I can accept anything.
Soul Society is a major shithole. Imagine thinking you're going to heaven and then you end up in a nip slum where only strong murderers get treated well. Aizen was the hero those people needed.
>>139921149
>7 chapter long flashback about his childhood and motivations.
[spoiler[ then gets killed by Haschwalth ;;[/spoiler]
>>139925510
>implying Aizen wanted to fight poverty and crime
>>139925271
>Ichigos father was actually ... A SHINIGHAMI!!!
>Ichigos mother was actually ... A QUINCEH!!!!
>Ichigos ACTUAL father was actually ... THE SOUL KINK!!!
>Ichigos ACTUAL mother was actually ... THE AIZEN!!!1
etc.
>>139925510
it is, and that made me sceptical from the beginning
i mean, even the supposed heaven is hell for most people. whilst the "good gois" (Byakuya) own scarves that could buy you a small town
>>139921149
Kubo has told us ichigo was a quincy all along have you seen his bed sheets since the beginning? Blue blanket white cross.
>the kubo
Has done it again.
>>139922277
Or was that the first time?
>>139922401
Hey, at least it's better than the way Tosen died
>>139926280
Tosen died when he saw how ugly Aizen is without Complete Hypnosis, we all agree?
>>139926696
This is bullshit, Aizen is a handsome man.
The true moment he died was when he saw that his closest friend was a talking dog.
Well hes a good guy now. Thats what matters.
>>139921149
how is it a twist if i am ready for it?
>>139926922
>This is bullshit, Aizen is a handsome man.
Since when were you under the impression this was not Kyoka Suigetsu?
Aizen looks far to good to be real.
Aizen was actually behind the Soul King the entire fight
Zaraki is Yachiru's bankai. Accept it.
>Zaraki's bankai just helps him cut things better than his Shikai does
Brilliant kubo!
>>139921149
I just want Kira bankai and I can finally check out of these hell.
>>139928275
This.
>>139928617
>bankai
>notresurreccion
>>139922401
half the fanbase was calling it from the moment Aizen turned on SoulSociety, it was hardly a twist at all
>>139928496
>just helps him cut things
Did you miss the part where he pulled the giant's arm off with his bare teeth?
>>139928275
but that's retarded
>>139922401
>twist
>twist
>twist
jesus christ i can't even formulate a proper retort to this
all i can do is repeat that word over and over as I try to comprehend how retarded you are that you actually think gin's betrayal was meant to be a TWIST
>>139921149
I've always been ready.
>>139928275
Are there still some retards denying it?
>>139929482
Aizen is basically a Kubo self insert character. That's how he wanted to look & act instead of the beta pussy he is IRL.
>>139929402
To be fair it was very clearly meant to be a "twist" in the sense that no one was supposed to see it coming, but that's not the same as saying that no one actually saw it coming. It was a shitty twist precisely because it failed to be a surprise at all.
>>139929542
A good twist is when:
1. It happens, you never saw it coming.
2. After it happened, you remember why you should've always see it coming. All the loose ends suddenly make sense.
>>139929542
More like it was clearly foreshadowed that there was more going on between Aizen and Gin than a simple master/subordinate relationship and that Gin had other agendas of his own long before the moment to strike finally arrived.
Literally EVERYTHING Gin has ever been shown doing on his own in the manga was counter to Aizen's interests.
the very fact that shunsui would release Aizen proves that Aizen is the anti hero of Bleach
He will save the day when all else fails.
>>139921149
I'm ready for everything Aizen related.
>>139929590
>>139929616
Saying it was meant to be a twist is not the same as saying it was a well done twist. Which is the point in replying to >>139929402
>how retarded you are that you actually think gin's betrayal was meant to be a TWIST
which is pretty obviously wrong
>>139929742
I was always curious what kind of relationship they share. There seems to be some kind of mutual respect.
>>139929488
Yes, it went from Yachiru being completely separate from Kenny's zanpaktou because they liked her as her own character to people saying that Yachiru is just a figment of Kenny's imagination made manifest by his neglected Zanpaktou, but not actually his zanpaktou itself. They literally forgot the reason why they didn't want her to be his zan just to further their argument.
>>139924095
you have suddenly made me realize that we haven't seen Aizen's bankai yet.
who else's have we not seen?
>>139929948
Shinji
Ukitake
Ichigo's new one
>>139929948
>Aizen's bankai
did he became one with his zanpakto that time ?
>>139930094
it's hard to tell because a few things about how that transformation happened and how he ended up getting his ass handed to him and how everything about Ichigo we learned in that finale turned out to be false makes it weird. It's somewhat implied that in the end Aizen didn't actually have any fucking idea what was happening to him, he just had an idea and when the hougyoku just went and fucked him up he assumed it was doing what he wanted it to.
>>139929813
Respect?
Aizen cut Shunsui down like fodder when he had the chance.
>>139930353
So? Shunsui started the dirty tactics. Aizen responded with the same tricks. Aizen could have killed everyone but he didn't.
>>139929948
Ichigo
Shinji
Another Vizard captain, that guy with the club
Facebook, if he even has one
Squad 10 Lieutenant's
4 of the Royal Guards
Ukitake
Yoruichi, if she even has a Zanpakuto, but she should since she used to be a captain
Isshin
should be about everyone who's confirmed to have one.
>>139930715
>Squad 10 Lieutanant's
Ugh, I meant to write Squad 9's, Hisagi.
>>139930353
Shunsui seemed fond of him before the betrayal. He called him Sousuke-kun
Aizen is a sadistic and moronic villain. Imagine if you manipulated people effortlessly for years with only a few hiccups along the way, and you revealed yourself to everyone and made an enemy of the society you worked so hard to infiltrate, while additionally forfeiting all methods of paranoia and reason and letting guys like Gin and Urahara outsmart you and then letting some human kid defeat you.
He's not a hero or a smart guy.
>>139930715
>Facebook, if he even has one
He's a Fullbringer, anon. Ginjou only had one because at one point a Shinigami.
>>139931159
Sadistic definitely, but moronic? His only real mistake was underestimating Ichigo.
>>139931122
Shunsui acts like he is fond of anyone, even enemies. He might hate anyone he pretends to like. In Aizens case, I bet many had a vague feeling of his true nature.
https://youtu.be/WvOpFQIR2IU
that was fucking amazing. now i miss the anime...
>>139931629
And Gin, and Urahara, and everyone else that he fought that Kyoga Suigetsu bailed him out of. Bleach characters aren't particularly smart.
>>139931797
Once again, I don't really see where you're coming from. Urahara's seal only worked because Ichigo was able to weaken him, so if you want to say he was outsmarted by Urahara (who's probably the smartest character in Bleach anyways) then I'd understand. Gin failed to kill Aizen completely; Aizen only kept him around so that he could reach his full potential, which he reached by being killed by Gin. Aizen had the upper hand for the majority of his arcs, and you're not actually making any argument around that fact...
>>139927324
>Aizen is actually a fat neckbeard
>>139931636
kek
>>139932084
He had the upper hand due to sheer power difference, not intelligence. Gin still managed to gain Aizen's trust and find out his major weakness. Aizen didn't even see Gin's betrayal coming (not about him stabbing him but Gin lying about his actual abilities) and would've been dead without the hogyoku.
For all his supposed paranoia, Aizen is a pretty trustworthy person when it comes to obviously suspicious people.
Wanting Ichigo to get stronger at all was also a waste of time and typical DBZ bullshit, unless it's later revealed that Aizen wanted Ichigo to get stronger so he can kill the soul King/Yhwach or something ulterior other than "I want to fight someone stronk durrr"
>>139932775
>For all his supposed paranoia, Aizen is a pretty trustworthy person when it comes to obviously suspicious people.
Did you not read my post? Aizen knew Gin would betray him and that's why he kept him around. It was all according to keikaku. You're underestimating exactly how manipulative Aizen is here.
>>139929749
It's coming, just wait
Worst art and story of all the current shonen, worst art and story of all time actually.
All the characters are shallow stereotypes and their character drama is bound to uninteresting or over the top edgy shit.
Main character is a special snowflake due to some super DEEEEP edgy traumatic experiment he was part of before being even born.
Another weak reactive main character who can't move the plot on his own, so things just happen to him, literally other characters move him from one plot point to the next and he has no clear motivations/goals.
He's ust another uninteresting "super special" character with orange hair who'd be better as a side character desu.
The idea that dividing the Soul King in parts will somehow bring about a good plot is absolute pretentious garbage, holy shit who wrote this.
Overall 3/10, worst manga of all time by far. I'd rather read Tokyo Ghoul, at least that manga doesn't take itself so seriously so I can just laugh at it.
Also Orihime isn't totally the bitch the mc will end up with after some tragedy + drama(classic) event will kill Rukia.
>>139933160
>I'd rather read Tokyo Ghoul
>>>/out/
>>139932996
He still didn't think Gin would lie about his sword's true ability though and he was genuinely afraid that his cell disontegration was going to seriously kill him.
He also takes credit for manipulating thing that weren't his doing, like the whole "Ichigo's entire life" thing.
>>139933281
I'm not saying he wasn't afraid to die. I'm saying he was thankful to Gin for killing him, because it allowed him to achieve true transcendence.
And considering he created White and orchestrated the events of the first two arcs, you can't say he didn't plan at least a part of Ichigo's life. What Aizen probably didn't understand was the effect of Zangetsu/Yhwach and the true potential of Ichigo's power.
>>139933151
Oh fugg
>>139933160
>Overall 3/10, worst manga of all time by far. I'd rather read Tokyo Ghoul
>>>/tv/
>>139922401
I kinda suspected it but assumed it'd be for power rather than for his waifu.
Can I just get Hisagi's fucking bankai already?
>>139933571
He didn't really orchestrate those events though. Something unexpected happened and he simply decided to see what the results were regarding Ichigo's eventual conception.
And I don't recall his encounter with Gin being one where he expected or saw the betrayal coming, but he likely figured the hogyoku would protect him from anything anyway so he didn't care about what happened next.
>>139934822
You might have to wait for the databooks. He already jobbed to Lille, I don't think he'll get a chance to shine again unless we get more enemies to fight.
>>139935008
Doesn't really change the fact that he was a key player in how that event came to be. He wasn't lying when he said he 'knew about Ichigo since birth".
Also http://www.12manga.com/manga/bleach/416/11
>>139933160
>Worst art
You know that is simply not true.
>>139935008
>>139935254
Also this http://www.12manga.com/manga/bleach/414/18
From this we know that a) Aizen knew Gin would betray him, and was interested to see if he could, and b) that the fear of death is how Aizen was able to transcend completely, as Ichigo likely did against Ulquiorra.
>>139935417
It's copypasta, anon. I've already seen it twice today.
>>139931636
I laughed
Aizen childhood flash back chapter when?
>>139936100
before aizen dies shielding ichigo from a decisive blow from yuha bach
>>139936100
I hope we don't get one. i'd rather aizen just be a mystery
Why did Kubo name the Quincy King Yhwach?
Yuha Bach would be such a nice Aryan name.
>>139936629
Kubo named him ユーハバッハ
>>139936795
good thing i can read that, can i?
>>139936795
>>139936844
ah, sorry, i get what you mean
>>139935648
>>139935254
This is true but Aizen didn't know how Gin would betray him and it doesn't seem clear that Aizen fully expected Gin to use the disintegration ability that made him so afraid, it doesn't even look like he expected to recover from it as people here are indicating.
Aizen also still managed to let his guard down too many times instead of coming up with a better strategy. His powers were clearly failing at the end of his fight with Ichigo and he didn't even realize it.
>>139936967
This is true, but it is mostly due to Aizen becoming arrogant and lowering his guard, as Urahara commented on multiple occassions.
>>139936795
both really, but they're the same thing
>>139936100
To go to muken you have ro oerform the following crimes
>Intentionally murdering one's father
>Intentionally murdering one's mother
>Killing an Arhat (enlightened being)
>Shedding the blood of a Buddha
>Creating a schism within the Sangha, the community of Buddhist monks and nuns who try to attain enlightenment (eternal happiness).
What if this is a hint to his past? What if he killed his parents (intentionally or not)?
>>139937300
What is Muken?
As for shedding the blood of a Buddha (Ichibei) and killing an Arhat & his own father (Soul King), Yhwach qualifies more.
>>139937377
Avici, the prison he was sent to?
>>139937519
ah, got it.
man, you are digging deep. i guess that kubo, as many other mangaka, just employs mythology partially, without making direct references in the main plot to it.
>>139936967
My point still stands, you're still attributing Aizen's choices to stupidity when in reality he'd planned for such outcomes to occur. Aizen is ego-maniacal but he's far from unintelligent.
>>139937222
Because it's supposed to look like YHWH.
>>139937744
Duh? The point is that the katakana ユーハバッハ is a phonetic reading of the roman letters YHWACH. No one's ever questioned where the yhwach comes from, just how it ties to the yuuhabahha, and the answer is that they're phonetically the same thing.
>>139937891
YHWACH sounds so edgy and gay, like this whole manga and this posting.
>>139937891
Why are you acting like I'm disagreeing with you?
>>139937953
Pretty sure that's just you, anon.
>>139938116
I wasn't acting like you were disagreeing just that >>139937744 seemed kind of redundant given the conversation?
>>139938254
Because I was responding to >>139936629
what happens if someone attacks her in this state?
what's your favorite fight in bleach, guys? i'm thinking about rereading and i need a little extra to look forward to.
>>139938526
Fake Karakura City slaughterhouse.
The recent fights against the Schutzstaffel are also good.
Soul Society Arc is g8, but for the plot, not the predictable fights.
>>139938336
I think we already have a pretty good idea.
>>139938526
It was Unohana vs. Kenpachi but I think Mayuri vs. Pernida is my new number one.
>Bank-Ai
A Shinigami falls in love with a Quincy.
Unable to confess he's gifted by Kubo with the Quincy's phone number. Never minding the strange reiatsu, he immediately call her, and he's overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a disgusted expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in the living world at all. She is the girl's Vanderreich counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own Soul Society self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer The Heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of THE HEART
>>139922823
Because Aizen also stole a piece of her soul. The Hogyoku is made up of souls and soul pieces. It presumbly sends those out to create powers or Arrancar. This is btw exactly the same as Yhwach works.
>>139940474
Blood and Ghost
>>139937133
It should be noted, that becoming a transcendent affected Aizen's mind. Look how Lille behaved once he became close to godhood or how Haschwalth went bonkers, once he got the Soul King's eyes. Becoming godly is apparently something most of not all characters can't handle.
I stopped reading after the soul society arc
did kurotsuchi ever do anything cool?
>>139940474
Ether and Judgement
>>139937668
That was true until Komamura transformed into a human. Though the thing is, that there is an in-universe reason for all the names. Ichibee named all these places that way. Whoever made Ichibee godfather of Soul Society and installed the Soul King as the lynvhpin, must have been a giant japanophile. He could make the afterlife however he wanted, yet he chose to make it japamese. Not to mention a crappy place. In a sense, I think the Shinigami-Quincy conflict started because the Quincy wanted to make the afterlife better and equal for everyone and not just good for the Shinigami.
>>139939949
>>139941245
Yeah
>>139940856
i think haschwalths personality changed because he received a part of yhwach, who appears as more dominant and aggressive
lille was extremely arrogant from the beginning
>>139941939
like what i'm curious.
>>139941245
At least twice
>>139941245
plenty of times
the best part is that he never got BS power-ups
>>139929540
>Zaraki is Yachiru's bankai. Accept it.
>Kubo is rich, ge can get whatever he wants
>Beta
I forgot that the new character book was supposed to be out by now. Has there been anything about it posted at all? Scans? Trans? Summaries?
>>139942214
>>Kubo is rich, ge can get whatever he want
he wants to be aizen. no money can buy him that
>>139940474
Protean Diamond
>>139942455
It's fake.
>>139943413
right I guess amazon and every other japanese book retailer is being rused for the past 30+ days
>>139943679
It's not fake, but rather unofficial. Someone on Bleach Asylum posted the last two chapters, that were about the Quincy and mysteries in general. Here is a rough table of content of the last chapters:
Page 1-2: Chapter 7: Quincy
Page 3-4: Story and timeline
Page 5-6: Important facts, mysteries (?)
Page 7-8: Uryuu
Page 9-10: Quincy massacre and Ishida family (?)
Page 11-12: Yhwach and possibly the special Quincy
Page 13-14: Kaisergesang
Page 15: Bazz-B and Gremmy
Page 16: Pernida and Giselle
Page 17: Askin
Page 18: Haschwalth
Page 29: Gerard
Page 20: Quilge and Lille
Page 21-22: letters, possible speculation on A,B,K and N
Page 23-24: Chapter 8: Mysteries
Page 25-26: Vizard Incident and possibly Hikifune's promotion (?)
Page 27-28: Zangetsu, Ikumi and Ginjo and Tsukishima (?)
Page 29-30: Soul Suicide, Masaki and Urahara's shady experiments (?)
Page 31-32: Ichibee's suspicious behavior, those killed 1000 years ago and Mimihagi or Aizen
Page 33-34: Aizen's last conversation with Urahara and the Soul King (?)
Page 35: Yhwach and the Soul King's limbs (?)
Page 36: Chapter 9: Bleach
Page 37: Speculation about Uryuu
Page 39: Final words
>>139936483
We will most likely get a flashback about him seeing the Soul King.
