>5 years of positive growth.
>America and China love anime but still just a small percentage of the revenue.
>Japanese audience acceptance and increasing demand for CG.
>Japan realizing streaming video is actually a good idea is trying to grow in towards that direction for domestic and foreign markets.
>Pachinko makes hella lot of money.
tl;dr If you think an animation company is actually going be bankrupt because of poor sales, think again.
>Full report and graphs
http://imgur.com/a/PmUFR
>>139916638
>pachinko
ANIME IS DEAD
is there a better source? some pics are unreadable
>>139916714
Pachinko is the future of the industry really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx_zDqmsBcQ
>>139916638
But anime is getting shittier storytelling wise
Also /a/ is getting slower and has more noticeable shitposting
But I thought Pachinko revenue was going down.
>>139917093
Laws have been changed to become stricter but the pachinko people adapted fast
>>139916655
This is fascinating
Japan is also realizing the importance of streaming globally especially in making shows specifically for those platforms
Expect more shows exclusively for Netflix coming soon
>>139916638
>TV 89.5
What happened at that time?
>>139916638
>5 years of positive growth.
I could swear I saw threads about anime reclining in the past 2 years. Glad to know it wasn't true.
>>139917214
>past 3 years
FTFY
>>139917205
If you check the anime archive charts for that year, there was no megahit show that time.
>>139917214
It was BD sales
Disc sales in general have been going downhill in Japan since mid 2000s
>normalfags and western companies swarming in
>positive
>>139917284
I would take more Kabaneris and less Asterisk wars
What does this matter if anime itself keeps getting worse?
Id rather it died so I could be free
When will nips start exporting pachinko overseas?
I want to try it and see what it is all about.
>>139917320
There are pachinko videogames you know.
Its the same shit
>>139917281
Looking at the graph it's indeed going down, at least the merch and the pachinko is saving the industry.
>>139916638
what is
>live entertainment?
>>139917319
You'll miss it. You'll watch old shows, even the harem ecchi shit and yaoi fujoshit that you skip because you'retrapped forever.
>>139917129
Aren't they actually moving forward to legalize gambling to some degree in time for the Olympics?
>>139917320
It's a stupid machine slot game for autists. I can't comprehend it's still a thing in this day and age.
>>139917406
Idol concerts,seiyuu events
>>139917320
Pachinko is just a way for some Japanese to legally gamble by winning some "prizes" which can then be "sold" to "special buyers" for money.
It's just slot machines. Pachinko with anime is just more fancy slot machines, where you get to see nicely animated sequences from video games or anime shows whenever you do something like unlocking more balls tumbling down, getting an extra chance to play again, or even double or triple your score so that you can gain an even higher price that you can then exchange for money.
The pachinko machines are getting popular enough that some people really just play them for the fancy anime scenes than just to try to win money prices.
>>139916638
>>139916714
>>139916792
>>139917093
>>139917320
>>139917370
THE Pachinko. As in, "The Pachinko and the like".
Show some respect for Pachinko-shi
>>139917464
But these have been around since forever. Why did they include them in the last two years only?
>>139916638
>>Japan realizing streaming video is actually a good idea is trying to grow in towards that direction for domestic and foreign markets.
Where do I go to watch legit animu streams in Japan?
Why do they continue to prevent CR from providing service to Japanese residents?
>>139917406
>>139917458
Can you win good money from it? It seems like you just throw these small metal spheres inside and hope more of them come out. It's pretty autistic indeed.
>>139917699
Netflix and Hulu are stating to get big in Japan if I'm reading the reports correctly. Also Crunchyroll is a big part of their profit.
>>139917699
There are some streaming services in Japanese. Gyao! is a prominent one.
>>139916638
>anime grows since Shaft became a top studio
As expected of Shinbo.
>>139917561
They probably weren't much of a profit back then.
>>139917146
>the survey for Live Entertainment started in 2013
>>139917706
It's explained in the pachinko arc from Kaiji, the machine he plays is an expensive one but you can get an idea of how it works. You can get money or prizes depending on the balls you got.
>>139917706
Gambling is always going to be bad for you.
But it's addictive, and pachinko machines use fanservice shots of cute anime girls or very awesome dramatic action sequences to distract you and to give you small rewards for playing pachinko in the first place.
>>139917706
No.
Asians love gambling.
>Research shows Asians in the U.S. have a disproportionate number of pathological gamblers (i.e. addicted) as compared to the general American population. According to Dr. Timothy Fong, an associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA and co-director of the UCLA Gambling Studies Program, the rate of gambling addiction ranges from 6 percent to nearly 60 percent, depending on the specific Asian ethnicity (Southeast Asian refugees scoring highest) as opposed to the national rate of 1-2 percent.
>>139917857
What I find more surprising is that, while they have such a high number of gamblers, most of their their gambling games are shit.
>>139916655
>be European
>not born in France or Italy
Life sucks.
How could glorious Nips be into such primitive shit like Pachinko?
>>139917897
That's of course because gambling is illegal in most countries, so they have to use cheap alternate gambling games which are masquerading as not being gambling at all.
>>139917407
I hate that you are right
>>139917857
This is why Eastern philosophy is shit-tier and the West developed rationalism and the scientific method.
>>139917706
Gambling is literally about the fact that whatever you play, the house always wins in the long run i.e. you will hardly gain anything unless you bet big and get absurdly lucky
i don't understand why pachinko is so big
you put balls in
it rolls around
you get more balls
how does it even relate to anime? they change the backgrounds like pinball machines?
How the hell is pachinko related to anime revenue?
>>139918011
Its an addiction, like smoking.
It really should not be counted when it comes to the anime industry
Cirno making gains.
>>139918011
Yes. There are "mini-games" in there with some graphics and whatever.
>>139917857
>>139917897
It's seems to be because the Chinese and Japanese generally have a low tolerance for alcohol. So gambling is their addiction of choice.
>>139918011
merchandising and possible your favorite anime getting new shows
Pachinko is a huge tool
>>139918057
Eh, if we're going for ad hoc stories I'm more inclined to believe the cause is genetic.
>>139918011
Because gambling is addicting + they have an excuse to pretend they aren't addicted to gambling,but only play it for the pretty cutscenes
>>139918039
The yakuza and arcade halls contract anime studios to make fancy anime sequences for their pachinko machines. That's why it's counted.
>>139918085
But their low tolerance of alcohol is genetic.
>>139916638
So 2006 was the peak for the international market of anime?
>>139918129
2006 had a whole lot of big hits. That and 2007.
>>139917897
They have Mahjong, what more do they need? Blackjack and Poker sure as hell isn't going to beat it.
>>139917908
I heard they have retarded laws about torrents and piracy where you can get a bill for you torrented content. It's better to be in the shitty eastern European country where no one gives a flying fuck.
What about Human Derby? That's still pretty big too, right?
>>139917458
The same can be said of slot machines.
Learn from Kaiji, don't gamburu.
>>139916638
>video is going down
What does video mean? DVDs and blurays?
>>139918268
Yes. And fucking finally I'd say, BDs and DVDs are overpriced as fuck.
>>139918300
Thank you Pachinko-sama!
>>139918300
Thank you Pachinko-shi
>>139916792
I don't understand
>>139918011
Ask the casinos at Vegas.
>>139918296
This will only make them more overpriced
>>139916638
So what the reports are saying is too not fuck with Panchiko or else everything will be doomed.
>>139918300
Can you repeat the question?
>>139918268
Yep, the only thing that matters, you know the actual fucking product
But no, anime is fine!
>>139918224
I only heard stories of people getting sued for torrenting porn in Germany. This is too ridiculous. As for, C&EEU - nobody cares.
>>139918300
Thank you Pachinko-sama!
>>139918116
I still find it hilariously ironic that there's actually a Kaiji themed pachinko.
Not Akagi, which made gambling and scamming yakuza seem badass. They went with Kaiji, which is all about how everyday folks get fucked by gambling.
>>139918356
This is what you get to see if the balls land in some holes that don't give you price tokens to be exchanges for money. It's like a consolation price.
Don't win money, see Macross sequence where valkyries blow up Zentraedi battlepods instead.
>>139916638
>movie stronk
>>139918057
>Chinese
>low tolerance
What, you kidding me? Fucking Mainlanders love their baijiu. It may not be the hardest liquor, but it sure as hell isn't 'low'.
This place is literally made for anime
>>139918129
>Code geass
>death note
>TTGL
>D gray man
>Higurashi
>NHK
>Nana
>Lucky Star
and so on and on.
Those years brought so many casuals into the anime community, you can't even imagine.
And good internet connection was becoming more and more available and common so that helped spread the popularity.
>>139918300
Thank you Pachinko-sama!
>>139918502
There's great genetic variation in China.
>Tokyo alone has over 300 studios
Truly the birthplace of anime.
I wonder if other asian nations will start to compete with Japan in terms of animation.
The most obvious contender is China, but one-party countries really fucking rarely create any cultural capital.
So maybe one of the S.E.A nations?
everyone conveniently ignoring domestic peaked in 2015 and has hit its new limit (2013/2014)
>>139917733
>Crunchyroll is a big part of their profit
You are lying, aren't you
>>139918377
That's not how it works
>>139916638
>If you think an animation company is actually going be bankrupt because of poor sales, think again.
Explain Manglobe then.
>>139918625
S Korea does outsourcing and made several animated films.
>>139918625
>one of the S.E.A nations
Ha no way. The animation industry in those countries are an even bigger joke.
You're better of betting on Taiwan, HK and S.Korea.
>>139918625
Some countries do have their own animation industry and are also the source of cheap labor for Japanese animation studios to do outsourced work, so they do have experience with making Japanese-style animation. But in general, I would not expect any other nation in Asia trying to outcompete Japan. At most, they're only going to continue emulating their style because it's just that popular.
>>139918692
Do we actually know why manglobe went belly over? Sure, SamFlam and Gangsta did not sell, but plenty of studios make flops every now and then and they are still fine.
>>139918780
>do have experience with making Japanese-style animation
They only have experience with being in-betweens that is a far cry from actually making anime. Just look that joke of a kickstarter called Devil's Legacy.
>>139918502
>may not be the hardest liquor
Baijiu's fucking up there.
But yeah, Chinese and Koreans are almost slavic tier drunk asses from what I heard. I don't know about the Japs though.
>>139918625
>So maybe one of the S.E.A nations?
If only. If the demand for animators suddenly grow in my country I'll go to art school immediately.
>>139918771
>HK
I highly doubt animators exist here on a substantial scale
>>139918915
Hey, McDull has several installments.
>>139918831
>Devil's Legacy
>The whole 10 fathers thing
>>139918805
Manglobe did several consecutive flops for several years, didn't get hired that often to do adaptions, made some original anime that sold really terrible, and even the adaptions they did sold not that well and didn't increase sales of the original source product they were hired to advertise for.
tl;dr: Manglobe didn't get enough work, and squandered the little amount of its money in unprofitable original anime.
>>139918625
Fun is illegal in the PRC, so that's a no. HK and Taiwan are increasingly slaves to the mainland, because that's where most of the Chinese market is.
I'd guess Korea. If I understand the history correctly, a lot of older animators cut their teeth as rookies doing the same kind of in-betweening and overflow that they send to Korea today. Whether that translates into directing their own works in the future, I don't know.
>Japanese audience acceptance and increasing demand for CG
What.
>>139918532
The ethnic groups drink even stronger brew than the the typical Han. The variation doesn't mean much when getting drunk off hard liquor is a legit business negotiation process.
>>139918938
I feel old now
>>139918057
If they love to be addicted to something so much, then boy do the nips missed out on weed.
>>139916638
What happened in 2004 & 2005 that led to abnormally high slaes in the "Other" category?
>>139919010
That's good, because there is nothing wrong with CG when it is done right. Problem is that they don't do it right often.
>>139916638
help the ignorant newb pls
>merchandising
why is it so big? Is it people who pirate everything but buy figurines? Or is merch so expensive that it gets to dominate anyway?
>pachinko and the like
Is this the same thing with the pachinko where you gamble with silver balls? if so, how the fuck is it so big and why is it getting bigger? Why bother playing with this shit in the 21st century? Also why does it suddenly appear in 2007?
>overseas
shouldn't the overseas bar be much larger?
Also
>>139919010
wtf
>>139919085
Drugs (even 'soft' drugs like weed) are a huge taboo in Japan. Drug addiction is literally on the same level as pedophilia in the eyes of the public.
>>139916638
>>Japanese audience acceptance and increasing demand for CG.
>>139919085
Narcotics are bad, and are associated with the big opium wars. That stuff will never gain any acceptance whatsoever in any Asian country.
>>139917982
>>139919171
I'm guessing they started the data collection in 2007 even though it was nothing new.
>>139919136
I see Akagi on one of the 2005 anime television series.
Probably one of the boosters for the others.
>>139919171
Pachinko exists because gambling is illegal. It's a farcical loophole that rakes in money.
People like it because it's pretty much poker machines. Nothing much more complex than what you'd find in any smoke-filled casino. Sad, boring, but a limited escape from crushing reality.
>>139919010
CG is a tool. There's good use and bad use. You would know this if you aren't a retard with low powerlevel.
>>139918011
>how does it even relate to anime
It's a 2D world approved game.
>>139919085
>, then boy do the nips missed out on weed.
Drugs are a huge taboo there, though. Didn't some VA got herself a harsh sentence because she was found with it? I think it was one from Kill me Baby, they even went ahead to erase her name from the credits in the official site.
>>139919171
Because merch is more than just figs and BDs.
>>139916638
I like how the 9 is teal. Nice touch.
>>139919318
That was cocaine. Even in the west, you're fucked if you have cocaine (assuming you aren't really rich or really famous, which she certainly wasn't).
>>139919171
Because I'd buy figures or manga rather than 30 bucks for a BD with two episodes I've already watched.
Pachinko is big because gambling is big.
Unlike Crunchyroll shills are telling you, Japs don't get a cent over CR subscriptions/video sales. The overseas gains are just CR/Funi/Viz/etc buying the rights.
>>139916638
>Anime is in a good condition
Y-you lied to me /a/
>>139916638
>America and China love anime but still just a small percentage of the revenue.
b-b-b-but we're contributing so much to the industry!!
>>139919318
>>139919396
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-11-04/kill-me-baby-sweet-blue-flowers-voice-actress-ai-takabe-charged-again-for-drug-use/.94991
Her career is ruined.
>>139919425
>rather than 30 bucks for a BD with two episodes I've already watched
Love Live S2 has one episode on the first BD, because they had to fit 13 episodes
>>139918625
>maybe one of the S.E.A nations
The SEA countries (except Singapore) are 3rd world hellholes. The only places in Asia that even remotely have the chance are China and Korea.
From China we've seen Cupid's Chocolate. And Korea did a lot of inbetweens.
>>139919553
Wouldn't it include an OVA in this case?
>>139919010
Its getting a lot better.
The last fight in the Tiger and Bunny movie was very well-animated and it was CG
>>139919605
no, at least there wasn't anything in the torrent
maybe it was half price, who knows
>>139919537
At least she had lots of fun with her coked up orgies.
The type that the boomers did in the 60s but now put you in jail for trying out the same shit they did
>>139917908
Who is that nakadashiable headstokeable butt slut?
and does she get alot of screen time?
>>139917458
it seems more interesting than your average get 3 pictures in a row slot machine
>>139919713
>fun
>>139919180
>>139919318
I know they are a taboo in japan, that why i said that they're missing out on the dankness.
>>139919778
Hey she said it felt great on twitter to have sex while high.
>>139919010
They did it just to piss you off, ledouche. Yes, you.
>>139918692
Manglobe did shit in every market
>>139919858
Do you have a source for that? Is it still on her twitter?
>>139920003
My source is a post I read on /a/.
So feel free to disregard it as something someone made up.
But you don't get charged with cocaine use without using cocaine
>>139917736
do they accept gaijin cards or amazon gift vouchers?
>>139919010
Hiro said that too about CG
>>139920050
Too bad the archive is kill.
>>139916655
Is there a way to get the document in full resolution?
>>139916655
>In 2014, a total of 322 TV animation programs were broadcast (232 among them new)
Pretty sure if we include re-runs and super long running shit like Pokemon/One Piece/Conan, we're already at over 200 this year with just two seasons. This spring season alone there is 63 new anime.
>>139920745
Click on the image to maximize, then open it in another tab.
>>139918129
>>139918168
>>139918509
>>Code geass
>>death note
>>TTGL
>>D gray man
>>Higurashi
>>NHK
>>Nana
>>Lucky Star
>and so on and on.
>Those years brought so many casuals into the anime community, you can't even imagine.
>And good internet connection was becoming more and more available and common so that helped spread the popularity
One could argue 2006-2007 was the huge peak of constant anime hits until the recession
>>139919010
Read the document. They go in-depth about it.
>>139917897
Mahjong is good, though.
>>139917738
You do know what happened in 2008 right?
>>139919396
Not even close to being comparable to japan.
>>139916638
Manga adaptation anime always sell well dude.
>>139918625
Its sad but there just isn't enough demand.
There is a good animated movie from foreign countries every few years but they are always flops since nobody gives a shit about them
gambling should be illegal in all forms
"people should be free to spend their money", my ass
>>139918625
my bet is on vietnam.
>>139918625
Didn't China make a LoL anime about its players?
Also they made Chinese Gumball
>>139921358
I wouldn't say 'illegal' because small amounts of gambling can produce a lot of happiness, but there should definitely be a limit.
Is this the TPP thread
>>139918625
China really is the only big contender that can come close.
Next is S.Korea then maybe Taiwan?
>>139921358
More like it should always be legal.
If the fucker lost all his money in a casino then he would have lost the same amount somewhere else.
>>139921358
I reckon just force them to make the odds statistics plated somewhere on the machine or table they're using so people are aware at all times what their chances are.
>>139921358
Hell no, just educate those asian monkeys better in what good entertainment is.
>>139921754
Like what?
They produce just as many tv shows as America and have access to American shows. Same with video games
>>139921833
Make Kaiji mandatory reading in schools
>>139921140
The end of the oversea bubble.
>>139921931
The end for a lot of other bubbles too
>>139921833
>have access to American shows
even if it's Netflix they have shit selection in some countries
>>139922017
Asian countries have had cable for years.
I'm in SEA and I have had HBO since forever.
>>139918625
Maybe China, just look at how good their novels are becoming, just wait some time and they will animate.
>>139916638
>Pachinko makes hella lot of money
That makes me rather sad.
>>139922194
>novels
Why the fuck would they waste time adapting shit for a niche audience when they have a large, active and respectable enough film industry
>>139922194
Thanks for the laugh, guess?
>>139922194
How am I supposed to look at that if I dont know chinese
Also are you impying they are writing now better than their great works of 2000 years ago because I dont believe you
>>139921979
Like?
>>139916792
Bath towel Millia....just for that this was beyond awesome.
>>139922509
housing bubble?
>>139922599
In Japan?
>>139922639
the domino effect.
>>139918224
Luckily nobody cares about anime. European governments don't even know they exist and too few people are interested in them so sue-fags rather target people who torrent Hollywood movies.
>>139918831
Many Korean studios do full episode production now. When you look at episode credits and see that the episode director is Korean, there's a good chance the entire episode has been outsourced.
Muh piracy doesn't hurt anything
muh Japanese don't care about online sales
muh downloads are only pennies they only care about DVD sales
Never again /a/.
>>139921676
If someone loses all their money then the state has to care for them
In before
>the state shouldn't care for anyone
ohh, edgy
>>139918625
It'll just be american cartoon level drawings and plot.
>>139916638
Frozen was a super massive hit in 2014 so it will go down next year.
>>139918625
Chinks are already trying to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50x7HO3sBxc
No wonder Garo got a second season, get used to your new Pachinko overlords
>now we have pachinko threads
>>139918300
Thank you Pachinko-sama!
>>139928199
Japanese indeed don't care if westeners pirate anime,all they get from the western market is companies buying the rights of animus.They couldn't give less of a fuck about what the west does with them.
>>139929589
Really.
>>139918625
Already the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0JVAeSibc
>>139928727
no here >>139930068
>>139916638
>Japanese audience acceptance and increasing demand for CG.
His plans are working, only a matter of time now.
>>139930445
Who is this guy?
>>139930968
Apparently some dude involved in the fansubbing scene, and also involved with some other dude who owns the manga porn website Fakku. Might be mixing them up, perhaps.
>>139930445
I see the list keeps on expanding...
>>139916638
Different revenue sources go to different places, though. Like, I assume a smaller slice of pachinko profits go to the studio than DVD/BD sales.
>>139918415
That's not how it works. As long as the product sells something, it is fine. It doesn't have to sell itself.
>>139920834
Been there done that.
The text is still borked.
Country names in the orange bar diagram.
http://imgur.com/a/PmUFR/layout/horizontal#5
>>139930968
>>139931254
Involved is a slight understatement. That finnish guy is the kingpin of torrenting anime and hentai.
>>139927483
>The japanese and koreans are bros now
>>139934063
Here's the actual report, not butchered by reddit
http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data
>>139916638
>Japanese audience acceptance and increasing demand for CG.
>>139930445
Why doesn't he post anymore? I saw him in a thread some days ago, but he was just shilling for CR and Fakku.
>>139937144
I do still post here.
And I don't shill for anyone. I talk about FAKKU because I work there and the subject comes up every now and then, and I also talk about other legit digital distro services (and digital distribution in general) because the subject is something I care about a lot.
Also, I have no idea what could have even given you the impression that I was "shilling" for CR, considering that whenever I talk about them I'm usually criticizing them for their shortcomings (of which there are many).
>>139937553
Hook, line, and sinker. Just a few days ago I got Herkz to tweet my post where I grossly falsified his supposed opinion on Rakugo. You guys are just too easy. Here's to the Cartel suing me for slander.
>>139937553
So how long until CR and Funi improve their video players?
>>139939380
Funi is so incompetent that it's unlikely they're going to do anything good except by accident, and even if CR has the technical know-how they clearly just don't give a fuck (like how they haven't updated anything in their encoding setup since 2011), so I wouldn't hold my breath on either.
Funi is supposedly switching to softsubs in May though. We'll see how that goes.
>>139939380
When there's a demand for it.
itt: daiz ruins another thread
>>139939694
What does he not ruin?
