Ended war and reduced crime by 70%.
What did Light do wrong again?
>>139772000
nothing
>>139772000
He died.
>>139772000
>trades liberty for security
Nah
>>139772000
He didnt stop at episode 25
>>139772000
He held too much power for one person.
sup
>>139772087
>liberty to commit crime
Are you a criminal by any chance?
died like a bitch
>>139772187
I'm sure banning the capital punishment was a conspiracy by murderers.
>>139772000
He didn't cleanse the world of the lesser races.
>>139772000
He underestimated N on way too many occasions.
Peace and security should be achieved by improving society as a whole to a point where both war and crime can't prosper. Kira just took an easy, fake road.
It's like your dog falling sick. Kira "healed" him by shooting him instead of taking it to the vet.
>>139772187
Yes, you are not?
>>139772000
He still a mere mortal.
Ending wars and crime isn't desirable. War has a regulatory purpose. Crime is also a perfectly natural and logical phenomenon, you just need to reduce its effects which is well-managed by society alone.
>>139772000
His speech about becoming the "God of the New World" is enough evidence.
>>139772254
Doesn't matter if its fake or easy, as long as there are results.
>>139772170
cops kill so many people every day, every year, but that doesn't mean it would be better to get rid of cops all together
>>139772000
He was gay
At first he wants to eliminate the crime. He wants peace and order but as the time goes by, he becomes arrogant, he kills anyone who is against his will, he now thinks of everyone as nothing but a pawn in his hands.
>>139772187
Says the guy who pirates anime?
>>139772402
It's fake as, it doesn't solve anything. The "results" ended with Kira's death.
>>139772000
Let's all be honest. If we were living under Light's rule we would all instantly choose to kill him given the opportunity.
Giving another person the power to kill you at any time is never a good idea.
>>139772087
I bet you'll vote for bernie
New mindgame/gambling anime when? NGNL doesn't count
>>139772478
It stopped crime for the duration of his reign. Thats results. With 70% reduction in hard crimes, it would have saved so many innocent lives for that period of time.
>>139772000
Trips so nothing, Absolutely nothing
>>139772520
Sakamoto desu ga
>>139772621
Thought this is a comedy manga
>>139772000
He developed a god complex
>>139772583
No they aren't. Because they neither were permanent or improved the world as a whole.
Probably crime even increased after his death, like a beast being unchained after a long, long time.
Crime is just a symptom of far more serious issues.
Will Donald be the savior we need in real life?
>>139772740
Since when was /a/ full of meme posters?
>>139772654
Who says comedy cant be about mindgames?
>>139772740
>>139772000
He didn't kill the true enemy of mankind: Haruhi!
>>139772692
I dont get what you're saying.
People commit crime. Is that his fault? Crimes have always been part of humanity. Reduction in crime saved lives. This is a direct result of his action.
Who cares if the person has a god complex. You're expecting a perfect system, there are none. With an imperfect, efficient, and result gotten action by Light, the world saw reduced crime. This is a net positive by any means.
is this /pol/?
>>139772000
He lost.
>>139772497
Depends on his effect on the economy really. As long as people are confident they don't qualify for death, they can just sit back and reap the profits.
>>139772509
No, he's probably just an american
>>139772000
He didn't do the deal.
>>139773669
He never saw Near's face until the end?
>>139773716
Could've killed L before it became a problem though
If Light had done the deal, would his new death time be based off of natural causes or his canon time of death? In other words, would he have been able to eliminate his enemies, yet somehow die even sooner?
>>139774014
His actual time of death isn't known since Ryuk killed him.
>>139774014
He'll be dead by the time Ryuk got bored of him.
>>139772000
figuratively and literally nothing
>>139772000
He did it better.
>>139772000
Nothing but you don't want to be blamed if a crazy fucker decides to takes justice in is own hands afther reading your story.
>>139772399
This pretty much. If he had stuck to just killing criminals that the police couldn't catch, he could probably have achieved similar results.
Leaving the remaining 30% of crime to terrorism and organised crime. Basically, all Light did was remove small-time street rats and folks who bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. He achieved nothing of value.
>>139772000
Get caught.
>>139772087
The quote is liberty for Temporary security. Death is not temporary.
>>139772478
A cop can no longer stop criminals when he dies or retires, that doesn't negate his contributions.
>>139772399
>>139774665
that was only to reduce the likabilty of his character, Ohbata didn't want people sympathizing with Light so he retconned a ton of shit.
If the story tried to follow a realistic social pattern the world would have immediately shifted toward becoming a police state. The judiciary system could accuse people of anything and the suspect would promptly be executed by the Great Invisible Kira In The Sky. They are given powers over life and death with none of the responsibility. Corrupted judges and policemen would start calling themselves angels of god or some some shit, those who weren't in support of the Kira Death Penalty would refuse to arrest or prosecute people who did a minor crime that doesn't warrant death, Light would have to second-guess every information he receives and the whole system falls apart because it was dumb in the first place.
>>139772000
He let it get to his head. As a result he became a psychopathic egomaniac within seconds of having the power to kill anyone, because of that he started making mistakes.
Like the end of the second episode, he kills "L" on live TV instead of scheduling it for another time, that mistake alone let the real L know that not only was it possible for Light to kill people using only their name, but narrowed his location from worldwide to a district in Japan. Kill him via heart attack a week from now, make it discreet. Nope, it was a direct challenge to Light's growing egomania and he took the bait, hook, line, and sinker.
This is further proven by other dumheaded choices he makes as the series goes on, like not getting the Shinigami eyes "but his lifespan is cut in half!" you'll say, and if he was doing it out of being a selfless soul he would really care about his life. If anything he would make plans for his eventual demise, pass the Notebook to someone who is like-minded so that everything he's doing doesn't just become undone the moment he dies, but nope! it's all about Light and Light only playing God.
>>139776838
This problem is somewhat represented by Demegawa who attempted to become Kira's spokesperson, but he was killed by Mikami. However, Mikami who was supposed to be more reliable than Demegawa (and who was selected by Light himself) understood his thoughts and judgments completely, but him fucking up in the end basically illustrates the problem you brought up since Kira assumed he never had to second-guess Mikami's judgment.
killing because the person killed
an eye for an eye?
biblical times much?
we should be finished with times like these desu
>>139772000
started killing innocent people for no good reason for starters.
>>139777854
>we should
The capital punishment is still legal in most countries.
Peace without freedom isn't peace, it is fear
>>139777854
COME ON GUYS IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR
>>139778090
>freedom to kill, rape, rob
kek
>>139774236
Truly best boy. Kind of an edgelord, but likable nonetheless.
I love Death Note threads. And best part is that we have 1 or 2 of these every week.
>>139778380
You are the worst kind of person. You make me sick.
Discuss.
>>139772000
>ended war
Where does it say that?
He didn't go after the Koch brothers, or George Soros, or John McCains of the world. He just killed poor white (all japanese look white in anime) people.
>>139778503
I'd ike to live in a world without rape and murder...
>>139772000
Just a delusional kid with a giant ego that wanted to play god.
>>139779670
STOP BEING RACISTS
>>139779670
Ever heard of the concept of people innocents being wrongly accused you autist?
And apparently an overlord who can kill anyone he pleases is fine to some of you retards. Light Yagami would be supported but nitwits like you but he would eventually be taken out because no man should have that power.
>>139779696
Made me mad how dumb he was. Fine if he became corrupted but he didn't do anything smart with the power. And they made a big point how he was supposed to be smart, not an average joe.
>>139772876
here's your reply, since no one else was gonna give you one
>>139772000
he didn't give anyone a fair trial or indeed any trial, he committed the sins of pride and greed, and he killed a good man who was very smart (L)
Light was just an egotistical prick that killed thousands. It was hilarious watching him get what he deserved. He died like such a little bitch, even moreso in the manga.
>>139779773
He just went after the wrong people is all.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Is there anyone older than 12 who can read/watch DN and not realize Light's a complete piece of shit? It's not exactly hard to get.
>>139779773
>kills those convicted by the judicial system
I dont see the issue, unless you want to call the judicial system wrong. Whether the power lies in the hand of the president or the mayor or the governor, or the "overlord", it makes no difference to the people below. The real change will be seen by the results of their actions. If such people at the top creates a much safer society, the people at the bottom of the chain will be happier as a result.
Light was a fucking idiot. How can you POSSIBLY get caught using a Death Note?
>>139779902
>He just went after people is all.
FTFY
Light was just a little brat with a god complex, he was the height of pathetic.
>>139779906
>liberty to rape, steal, rob, kill
>>139780000
>being a statist cucklord to someone trying to become a tyrant overlord
He fucking killed innocents who got too close to finding him all day
>>139779987
Human actions have patterns, there is no "random" acts. As such L was able to deduce that much.
>>139779902
No he went after anyone who came after him. He also went with what was in the headline. Imagine if someone is wrongly accused of a crime and was plastered all over television. Light would kill him via heart attack even though he was blackmailed to be there.Are you so daft you can't see the problem with this way of thinking?
Also who is to say Light doesn't change in the future? What guarantee is there that this overlord over people's lives stays the same and goes after only criminals? He kills L remember, who was a good person solving crimes.
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>139779955
>If such people at the top creates a much safer society, the people at the bottom of the chain will be happier as a result.
That is completely subjective, and completely dependent on what their methods are. Your mind is as narrow as a child's man.
>>139779955
>I dont see the issue, unless you want to call the judicial system wrong.
Yes, false conviction is not as rare as you'd hope.
>>139780023
Innocents are being killed all the time by regular justice as well. Do you "hate" those as well?
Stop being edgy. There are no perfect solutions.
>Oh boy! I sure love when a random psychic is giving the death penalty to people who are not proven to deserve it! It sure improves the world and makes me feel safe!
Said nobody ever.
>ITT: 12 year old edgelords defend being subservient to self serving brat who executes people without trial
>>139779955
>I dont see the issue
>There's no such thing as blackmail and false accusations in my fairy tale!
What an adorable world you live in.
>>139780159
>>139780078
Thats the point you retards. You're saying one system is wrong but the other is wrong as well. If both are wrong, then why are you only against one? Or do you hate both the justice system and the overlord?
>>139780096
>Do you "hate" those as well?
Of course people hates killer cops and corrupted officials. What the fuck are you trying to prove with that point? Everybody hates them and Light is essentially the same thing, except he does the corrupted killing with a magic tool for coolness factor.
>>139780096
>Innocents are being killed all the time by regular justice as well.
What third world shithole do you live in? The police in my country have killed 55 people in the last 25 years.
>>139780218
>Common law court with jury trial and assumption of innocence until proven guilty
>edgy teenager handing down death as he likes based on the news or his feelings
There's a clear difference you massive spastic.
>>139780218
One system gives everyone a chance, but can make mistakes. The other system slaps the same permanent solution on every temporary problem without even investigating the crime.
I'll let you decide which is worse. Assuming you're not retarded, that should be easy.
>>139780299
Pretty sure he mostly killed those already judged by the judicial system. So I don't see why there is a need to go against the system.
>>139780155
Could you imagine protesters and social media activists calling for him to be taken out. Gathering support across the globe and suddenly all dying in mysterious ways? Who wouldn't want to live in a world where people peacefully protesting get killed.
>"B-but he wouldn't kill them! He would only kill bad people like rapists and murderers"
You mean like how he killed L? Or how about Raye or Naomi? Any little edgelord who proposes that Light is right is a brain dead autist. The whole point of Death Note is Light gets so paranoid he would go so far to stop anyone challenging him.
>>139780360
>he mostly killed those already judged by the judicial system
Of which many were not sentenced to death, and he handed down death as he felt like it. Please grow up or go back to gaia.
>>139772509
isn't that the opposite?
>>139780388
Nice strawman, but there wasn't mass killing of innocents.
It disgusts me that there are people who actually think what Light did was right.
>>139780443
>implying light didn't kill or try to kill literally anyone out to stop him
>>139772740
politics is a meme because of this man. i like it.
>>139780443
You are an idiot who shouldn't reproduce. We are done here.
>>139780434
So emotional. I suspect you might be suffering from emotional distress. Chill.
>>139780511
I'm not emotional, I just think you need to stop being underage
>a kid who is a death penalty extremist kills bad people he hears about on TV
>the world goes through positive social changes as if the population truthfully reacted to the existence of a god who passed infallible judgement
>something that is proven false on worldwide news in the first book
A+ writing
>>139780540
I think you are emotional. Denial is part of such.
>>139780484
It wasn't mass killing, it was very accurate killing!
Can't believe you retards are arguing with a troll known to do this in the past. Look at his responses you twats and think if someone with rationality would propose these.
Every death note thread people actually arguing with shitposters and have to be told not to do it before they figure it out.
>>139780562
Nice to see you have no real argument
>kid kills bad guys
>sjws defend the bad guys saying they dindu nuffing wrong
>world improves as a result of killing bad guys and instilling fear in the baddies
>sjws cry about the kid
>>139780630
Okay, kid.
>>139780633
>sjws
>baddies
Wow, you sure aren't 10
>>139780628
Can't be helped. Strawmans and adhominen are hallmark of the trolls.
>>139780680
sjws hate capital punishment. What's the problem?
>>139780633
>not wanting to live in an authoritarian state makes you an sjw
>>139780763
All people who aren't third world human waste dislike capital punishment
>>139780764
You're using the word authoritarian wrong. This isn't authoritarian. Nor are personal liberties being limited by Light.
Unless those liberties include killing, raping, stealing, robbing, etc. In which case, the laws already "limit" your freedom to do those.
>>139780764
No, crying that the victims themselves dindu nuffin would make you a sjw.
>>139780855
Are you one of those "if you kill them, you'll be just like them" fags?
>>139780060
>hurr durr subjective
You can't argue for shit, he wasn't making a subjective argument. If the people at the top create a safer society, it's an objective fact that the people at the bottom will be happier.
Happiness of the individual is hard to find out but happiness of a population is easier. At a larger scale, things become more determinative.
>>139780286
That edgy teen was smart.
>>139780434
Irrelevant. The system is usually correct. Thus he usually killed the right people.
it's 2016 and i'm still into DN. i hate my life.
>>139780872
>This isn't authoritarian.
>"Justice" without free and fair trial
>not infringing on basic liberty and the rights of man
Stalin and Hitler weren't authoritarian at all no sir
>>139777854
here let me kill your entire family in front of you and then lets see how you feel about capital punishment anon.
>>139780955
What did anon's family do to deserve capital punishment?
>>139772000
He killed Raye Penber.
>>139772876
Here is another one... Sorry anon...
>>139780855
All emasculated nations hate capital punishment except the single western nation with balls, America.
>>139780943
If you need to resort to a popular dictator, then your argumentation is shit.
>>139780764
Nothing authoritarian about punishing criminal.
And if that's authoritarian, then I'm a proud authoritarian.
>>139780931
>If the people at the top create a safer society, it's an objective fact that the people at the bottom will be happier.
Yeah, Japan doesn't have a super safe society and also the world's 3rd highest suicide rate at all.
>That edgy teen was smart.
And? He was also a megalomaniac
>Irrelevant. The system is usually correct. Thus he usually killed the right people.
Yeah, death for any crime no matter how small is the way to go.
>>139780943
yeah and when Hitler was taken out everything went to shit.
Hitler literally did nothing wrong.
>>139780943
You're confusing yourself. Stalin and Hitler are authoritarians and ran an authoritarian state. This covers all aspects of the state including what religion, thought, speech, act, work, race to be.
Light simply killed people already deemed hard criminals by the judicial system.
Educate yourself.
>>139780633
The world shouldn't have improved. The world improving is just bad writing. The entire world knew that Kira was a random person who killed with a supernatural method but not with supernatural knowledge.
>>139781023
>the single western nation with balls, America.
Top kek, USA is a third world brown shithole
>If you need to resort to a popular dictator, then your argumentation is shit.
Ok then, Pol Pot was right to kill millions since he determined they were criminals himself and that's fine.
>>139772000
lying for his father
Soichiro was a good man
>>139781108
>its bad writing because it goes against my personal belief
Thanks for finally coming out of the closet.
>>139781068
>guy kills rapists, murderers, and criminals.
>faggot anon says he's in the wrong.
Liberals not even fucking once.
>>139781069
>Japan doesn't have a super safe society
It does. One of the safest in the world.
>also the world's 3rd highest suicide rate at all.
Because of order factors, like having a hardcore corporate lifestyle.
>He was also a megalomaniac
Who did good things.
>death for any crime no matter how small is the way to go.
I'm not going to defend all his actions, but some of the crimes deserved the capital punishment. It is anime afterall so things are taken to an extreme.
Then again, he also saved Japan millions of dollars thanks to less prisonners.
>>139781105
Conviction and punishment without trial is still authoritarian and central to all authoritarian systems of government
>>139781115
>USA is a third world brown shithole
A country that's very advanced in scientific and technological output.
>Pol Pot was right to kill millions since he determined they were criminals himself and that's fine.
Considering you need to resort to a popular dictator, your argumentation is shit and you're a retard for not being able to argue.
>>139781144
why would I stay in the closet when it's filled with skeletons
>>139781156
>It does. One of the safest in the world.
That's what I said, learn to read my friend.
>>139781179
What do you mean without trial? The criminals already went through trials in the judicial system. Did you not watch the anime or read the manga?
>>139781179
Would that mean any asshole taking the law into his own hands is authoritarian?
>>139781148
My mistake, I was supposed to reply to the guy you replied to. Post deleted.
>>139781179
>it's autoritharian because it is
>>139781244
>That's what I said, learn to read my friend.
I didn't claim you didn't say that. Learn to think, retard.
>>139781198
>Considering you need to resort to a popular dictator, your argumentation is shit and you're a retard for not being able to argue.
Ok then, I choose to go into my town and kill 10 people, this is fine since I declared they were all rapists and my view of the world is infallible and perfect. This is literally Light's view of the world, everyone's life is his to decide on.
>>139781250
Ofcourse. Any action that isn't done via a trial is authoritarian.
>>139781298
If you've done some research and weren't a retard (you've already proven your inferiority in intellect), your claim could have some validity. But as it stands, you cannot make a comparison.
>>139772740
>>139781245
Light handed down his own punishment without a trial, the judicial system had already handed a conviction and sentence, he was trying them again in his own little power fantasy.
>>139781370
He's not the judicial system, he's a vigilante. Are you retarded?
>>139781370
Yes, and?
>>139781349
>If you've done some research and weren't a retard (you've already proven your inferiority in intellect)
Resorting to ad homs already
>>139781250
"Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms."
It's a word that describes governments. If that random asshole exerts influence to be called a government then yes it fits the definition. If that random person has limited local influence then the words outlaw of vigilante are more descriptive.
>>139777963
>Innocent
Name one you faggot.
>>139781411
>I want a random teen faggot making arbitrary decisions on everyone's lives
>implying he didn't obvious become corrupt with power very quickly
>>139781490
So if the courts decided to go through with the capital punishment themselves, would it have been fine?
>>139781541
Not him, but assuming the people in question got due process, yes.
>>139781449
>second victim was a skirt flipper
>a bunch of cops
>got pissed at Mikami for killing the lazy and unemployed, only because he was going "ahead of schedule"
>>139781541
If Japan's legal system sentences the person then yes it would be, provided they got due process and a trial held to very high standards of certainty beyond doubt. Light was killing more than just criminals sentenced to death you know, Japan executes people very rarely.
>>139772235
Hello yuropoor
>>139781596
Well, the courts convicted them, and had their hands tied, Light just helped them out and took the blame.
>>139781105
That same for any society.
>>139781541
If Light killed after a court decided a death sentence, he would be useless. If light killed before a court decided a death sentence, he would be wrong. In both cases he is unnecessary and unwanted.
He killed good people because he was a fucking dumb ass and they homed in on him.
>>139781694
>criminals can remain on death row for decades, wasting money and resources keeping them alive
>killed some WHILE they were committing crimes or holding hostages
>ended wars
>stopped most global crime for the duration of his lifespan
>unnecessary and unwanted
>>139781694
Court could be wrong even in death sentence.
>>139781850
Can't arrest anyone then. The court could always be wrong, and going to prison sucks, even if for a short time.
>>139772187
>he's not a criminal
what the fuck are you even here for
>>139781765
>I love arbitrary justice handed down by a kid who later planned to kill the unemployed
>>139781765
>criminals can remain on death row for decades, wasting money and resources keeping them alive
That means the death is not truly decided yet. Regardless of the tricky legal wording involved, the simple reason why the sentence is not carried out is because it is not definitive. The due process is not done. It would be illegal to perform the sentence yet. If someone ignores this simple logic and performs the sentence preemptively, it is unlawful and a murder. It doesn't matter if the killing is done with a gun or a magic notebook.
>freedom to rape, kill, rob, etc.
In most societies, these aren't freedoms anyway. Indeed, they are rules created by the humans in that society, through whatever means they have, and the people there agree to adhere to them or be punished.
Light goes over all of that. The freedoms he takes away aren't those that never existed, but the freedoms of societies to be self determining and governing. Later on, he starts assassinating world leaders who don't follow his morality. If he'd have stuck to just killing hardened criminals, he might have been a hero as a popular vigilante. Instead, he went too far even for society to accept.
did people actually take this garbage seriously back in 2003
>>139782048
People still do now. Light is one of those true heroes of people who believe ends justify the means.
Kira did nothing more than what the state does on a daily bases.
Execution and war is carried out by the state. People think the state IS justice because a democracy constitutes the will of the majority. However, democracy is merely a form of tyranny by the majority against the minority.
Kira and so many other vigilantes are vilified because they possess great power and carry out justice as an individual This terrifies the collective masses, so they strike out against him. Even if what he did was logical and for the best interests of the people.
It's all just anti monarchical propaganda to delude people into thinking muh dumocracy iz da best.
>>139772000
He was good at first, in my opinion.
But he became consumed with power and people were afraid to live in the world he created.
>>139781449
Watari did nothing wrong
>>139782098
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
>>139782098
Except convictions for large crimes are by jury, a jury of peers, not the state.
>>139782176
Conversely, even a dictatorship can be a great form of government with the right leader. Light was not this.
>>139781967
>arbitrary
You guys just love comparing him to murdering any random asshole he sees on the street, don't you?
>who later planned to kill the unemployed
He was an asshole, I know, but don't pretend everything he did was horrible and unjustified, especially when he was making great results.
>>139781996
Or just wipe the slate clean, so that then we can give proper justice to the next generation of criminals. At least, that's what the U.S. could use right about now.
>>139780484
>implying those fighting to keep criminals alive and killing are innocent
>>139772000
His intentions were good and he even did a good job, except he ruined himself with his own hubris. He shouldn't have killed the guy on TV that L planted, and even after, all he needed to do was lay low for a while or just kill criminals who were on TV or whatever. And in the end there was no way he could be screwed even if L suspected him. L needed evidence more than anything, he always suspected Light, but couldn't do shit.
>>139782098
>anti monarchical propaganda
>muh democracy
You're several hundred years too late. Tyranny of the majority has long had countermeasures in place in the judicial system of several countries. True democracy is not implemented for the very reason that tyranny of the majority exists.
>>139772782
Where do you think you are?
>>139781098
But he did do something wrong
He failed us
>>139780440
Yes, he's some trumpfag who can't understand something as basic as freedom
Daily reminder Light was literally manipulated by the jews to stop anyone who was resisting to the brave new world
>>139778033
Shitty shariah's law and African countries sure.
>>139782159
>>139781537
They both tortured Misa for information and depraved her of water for several days.
L also used a death row criminal as a body double, really he's not any different than light, they both see just see people as means to accomplish their goals.
>N could have had Light and Mikami assassinated to end everything
>he had to be a justicefag about the whole thing, and risk his life and the life of his allies
Why?
>>139772000
his plan was to eventually kill all NEETs. /a/'s number one enemy.
