![[Horriblesubs] PW.1v2.png](https://i.imgur.com/k17OyCD.jpg "[Horriblesubs] PW.1v2.png")
Horriblesubs too.
Just wait an extra hour for CReep.
I dun get it.
HorribleCucks
>>139706473
The localized names are superior in this case.
HS originally released it with the jap names, but the normies threw a fit and the released a v2 with the localized names instead
>>139707240
>normies
>>>/reddit/
I bet you don't even an Ace Attorney fan to see why English speakers would prefer the localized names names
Yes, the legendary Dragon Isee.
I hope they're going to show hamburger in the subs whenever onigiri comes up or I'll be disappointed
Who even cares the anime is just the same experience as playing the games but shittier. Download some roms and play the games
>>139707343
>I bet you don't even an Ace Attorney fan to see why English speakers would prefer the localized names names
Familiarity? It's wrong, you can fucking hear them say the original names, and it doesn't even make sense for them to be named in English in the first place. It's like those retards who edited Digimon Tri subs to have the Murrican names.
>>139706473
why bother watching an adaptation with less animation than the fucking DS games
Get these instead.
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2FGyakuten_Saiban%2F
>>139707513
If I spoke Japanese I wouldn't even watch it with subs in the first place
Familiarity and the fact that everyone's name is a goddamn pun that would get lost with the JP names in the subs
I can sub the show for you guys.
How many memes do you want?
>>139707343
It's hilarious how people actually accept Capcom America's Commie-tier localizations as the "correct" version of the series.
I don't understand why a board that throws a hissyfit constantly because le sub le superior is now demanding localizations. You guys are never happy, are you?
>>139707625
all of them
>>139707598
What's the pun with Phoenix Wright? It certainly doesn't seem like an attempt to translate Ryuuichi Naruhodo.
>>139707598
> Familiarity and the fact that everyone's name is a goddamn pun that would get lost with the JP names in the subs
So you want to replace characters' names when they're puns? Hell, everyone watching should get naruhodo, anyway. Should HS call the Bungou Stray Dogs guys Hemingway and Camus because you might not know who Dazai is?
>>139707625
medium rare with a side of dank
>>139707640
Probably because there's no other localization and people seem to like it
>>139707704
>In English versions, Wright's name was localized to present a similar meaning to English-speaking audiences. His first name is also a mythical reference: to the phoenix, known for "rising from the ashes", an allusion to his almost impossible comebacks, or "turnabouts", during trials. In fact, the fifth case in the American version of the first game is titled, "Rise from the Ashes." His surname is a pun, allowing for wordplay (such as "Right, Wright?" and "Phoenix Wrong", the name used for Phoenix Wright parodies)
>>139707704
A phoenix comes back from the ashes, like how he does in cases, and he's usually right
>>139707598
>Familiarity and the fact that everyone's name is a goddamn pun that would get lost with the JP names in the subs
This is literally 4kids shit.
>>139707768
So it's basically a rewrite?
>>139707708
Because everyone should understand the joke in Keisuke Itonokogiri right away right?
Nah for English speakers Dick Gumshoe is much more clear.
>>139707862
This isn't censorship though, it's so American audiences can understand without having to read a weeb textbook and so it can be more accessable
>>139707872
>As the game's dialogue consists of a lot of wordplay and misunderstandings, Smith would analyze scenes before writing them: he would see what the scenes were trying to accomplish, and where the beats in them were. After he had the structure of a scene in his head, he would write it; at times he was able to make use of the original Japanese dialogue, but most of the time he had to come up with new ideas himself. At several points, the English wordplay was inspired by the wordplay in the Japanese version. At some points, it was not possible to do wordplay in the same places as in the Japanese version, so Smith would change the structure of the scene slightly. At other points, Smith came up with a joke or funny line, and changed the scene to make the joke work. Around half of the jokes were rewritten based on the characters present in the scene, rather than being translations of the Japanese jokes.
Yes.
>>139707446
Somebody please post the "Eat your burgers Apollo" comic.
>>139707872
More like arewright
>>139707872
Just like every name change ever, scrublord
Does it even matter? We already know their name anyway.
>>139707598
I saw a cartoon on PBS once, back when I watched Sagwa the Chinese Cat because I didn't have access to anime.
>The teachers at a school full of hispanic kids are having trouble pronouncing names, so they just anglicize all of them
>Maria? I'll call you Mary.
>Pedro? Hi Peter.
>Marco? Mark. Juan? John.
>Facundo? I'll call you Fack. Wait.
>The teachers have a confab.
>Okay you can be Facundo.
>Arriba arriba shout the kids, as they toss their sombreros to the wind
>>139706473
I thought it got better towards the end but the character designs are so fucking jarring it's unbelievable and the movements of them are so weird too. Forgettable OP but not a bad ED theme.
Judge best girl
>>139707927
Just for you anon.
>>139707903
And if I removed all references to nip mythology or history from all anime/manga and localized it to Murrican stuff, that'd be much easier for normalfags as well. Too bad for them, though, I prefer subs that don't cater to lazy retards.
>>139708007
Was this Maya and Miguel?
>>139708059
Too bad for you, real AA fans find the Japanifornia setting silly and like poking fun at it, as done here >>139708051
>>139708051
for ants...
>>139707598
Why would I want some shitty commie translation when I never played this game before(nor do I plan to) and english is not my first language?
>>139708130
>Never played the games before
Why are you even watching the anime then?
>>139708130
Why would you want to watch it if you haven't played the games?
>>139708130
Why are you watching it in English then?
>>139708175
>>139708187
Not him, but what sort of logic even is this? You think the only people watching an anime are the ones who're fans of the source material?
>>139708130
>Watching Ace Attorney withouth playing Ace Attorney
Why?
>wanting same day translations
>also wanting a complete rewrite
Just wait for the fucking dub if you want a rewrite so damn badly.
>>139708251
>>139708175
>>139708187
Is this what /v/ thinks of anime?
>>139708234
Well I know those are the ones complaining about the localized names.
>>139707946
What if it's localizing a name present in different languages?
Like pope Francis is Franciscus in Latin, Francesco in Italian, Francisco in Spanish, Francois in French etc.
>>139708310
No, it's just this is the same shit (even the same studio) as the P4 Animes
Meaning true appreciation only comes from when you already love the franchise
>>139708310
Pretty much, having the game held hostage by shitty translators has dulled their minds over the years.
>>139708357
But it sounds like everyone who loves the franchise hates the anime so far.
>>139708234
It doesn't make a lot of sense to watch it if you're not
>>139708357
>Meaning true appreciation only comes from when you already love the franchise
Megaten or Persona?
>>139708337
>What if
Also, too bad English and Japanese don't share similar origins
>>139708443
Persona. Megaten and Persona are divided like hell as it is.
>>139708432
Why?
>>139708443
Yeah, because MT got two anime adaptations and a movie series in the last 6 years
>>139708357
>Animes
You let yourself slip. Please leave.
>>139708271
>complete rewrite
It's literally just an alternate subtrack with the Japanese character names find/replace'd to what they are in the English game releases.
I still don't understand why HS can't handle multiple sub tracks in the same MKV though.
>>139708556
I only used that to refer to the two existing P4 Anime to include Golden, rather than just the vanilla P4 anime
>>139708663
Because they're just ripping it
>>139708549
Are you ignoring Devil Survivor or the Golden?
>>139708127
>5950x821
are you blind?
>>139708663
Then just download CReep? It's not like HS are the only people out there.
>>139708757
HS is the only one with DDC bots.
>>139708720
Pretty sure DeSu's a spinoff, like Persona
>>139708796
You could always watch it on CR. Actually, why exactly are the English names a problem?
>>139708175
>>139708187
Because I watch seasonal anime when it airs and this is a seasonal anime that's airing?
>>139708201
Because this is an imageboard and we post screenshots, also English subs are perfectly fine, Ryuuchi Naruhodo and all that. There's nothing wrong with them.
The other subs are just garbage but they're basically fanfiction so who cares, still people shouldn't force fanfiction to other people.
>>139708251
I'm watching Gyakuten Saiban though
Why would you watch this if you already played the game? You already know what happens.
>>139708366
Well they're the same people that defend censorship and cut content in their nintendo games.
I mean it's mostly nintendo kids that are like that, they love their garbage.
>>139708694
>they're just ripping it
Crunchy uses multiple sub tracks in their streams. If HS could make their ripper take them all they would appease the localized vs. straight translation fags and throw in other languages as a bonus.
>>139708757
Don't need to. I downloaded the .ass of the localized subs and muxed them into v1. I'm just surprised HS can't figure out how to do multiple sub tracks themselves to keep idiots from complaining.
>>139708959
I want to experience all of it again without having to play through the games. People were saying there were going to be new cases as well but maybe it was misinformation.
>>139709106
I don't think they really care that much to include both.
>>139708911
It's just another round of the eternal sub vs dub debate, game adaptation edition.
>>139709106
HorribleSubs just don't really give a fuck, they just do whatevers fastest. They're like what speedsubbers used to be.
>>139708911
Because it's clearly not the name of the character.
Do people also want Mirage Farina Jenius in Macross Delta to be called Sterling because Max was called that way back in Robotech?
>>139708959
>You already know what happens.
Doesn't make it less entertaining.
In fact, spoilers can make fiction more entertaining, at least according to some research.
Here's a better format that is not absolutely retarded
>>139709195
Except speedsubbers actually worked on the series
>>139709106
How are the characters called in other languages? Do they use similar "witty" puns or just use the American ones because they're translating from that.
>>139709195
>They're like what speedsubbers used to be.
That's because speedsubbers gave up when they realized they could never compete with a "group" that simply rips subs from companies that get the episodes before they air.
>>139709272
They just use the American localisation.
>>139709250
thanks 4chanx for stealthily removing the picture
>>139709206
>Do people also want Mirage Farina Jenius in Macross Delta to be called Sterling because Max was called that way back in Robotech?
Maybe your example would make sense if Macross Delta and Robotech not different shows
/v/ is retarded and has always supported shit like this, expect hamburgers poorly photoshopped in later and Matsuo Tomida doing the fresh prince.
God forbid they change a virtual titty.
>>139709477
Maybe you should consider Gyakuten Saiban and Ace Attorney different series as well.
>Heisei 28
>he still doesn't know Japanese
![[HorribleSubs] Ace Attorney - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.38_[2016.04.06_17.23.25].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4K0Zqve.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Ace Attorney - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.38_[2016.04.06_17.23.25].jpg")
>>139706473
Unless A-1 does localized version of the anime as well, localized subs won't work.
>>139709585
Why?
>>139709605
Why wouldn't the localized subs work?
>>139709272
They are using the names of the localisation but those used similar puns.
>>139709698
Because New York isn't 14 hours behind any English speaking nation.
>>139709698
Because then the subs wouldn't match the Japanese audio, duh
>>139709811
Way anime subs are doing it is it's set in Japan but with the localized English names
>>139708051
Saved for future reference.Planning on reading it high and laughing even harder.
>>139709811
The localized subs didn't bother trying to claim they are in Los Angeles. It's only the character names that changed.
>>139709811
The time difference was only two hours according to the subs.
>>139710092
It was a 14 hour time difference on a 12 hour clock with no AM or PM indicator. Therefore it initially appeared to be two hours off.
>>139707640
How bad is it really? I clearly remember one of the characters using a certain Japanese suffix in a localized version. Usually they just turn those into Mr or Ms.
>>139707872
Every translation you ever enjoyed is a so called "rewrite". That's including literature, not just video games and manga.
>...I never feel that I’m going from a set of grammatical structures in Japanese and mechanically transferring them into a set of radically different structures in English. What I’m doing is getting whatever I get out of the Japanese text—the images, the rhythms—then do the best I can to write the English in such a way that I’m conveying what I’m getting out of the Japanese. It’s pretty subjective. I very often feel I’m writing original—almost original—fiction.
That's Jay Rubin talking about translating Haruki Murakami. Obviously translating literature and subtitling anime are extremely different affairs, there's no verbal imagery to translate in anime for instance, that's all done by the visual art so there's less room for liberties in that area.
Most of the names in Gyakuten Saiban are literal jokes and puns. When translating, leaving jokes in Japanese is doing a massive disservice to English viewers. I've heard another translator say: English viewers shouldn't be scratching their heads at the same time a Japanese viewer would be laughing. This is such a simple concept that I'm a little baffled when people in these threads insist that the names be left in Japanese.
>>139710641
>English viewers shouldn't be scratching their heads at the same time a Japanese viewer would be laughing.
So wouldn't English viewers just be thinking "Why are these Japanese people laughing at his name, is there anything funny about Phoenix?"
At that point you may as well be scratching your head. There doesn't seem to be much point in changing the name when the reactions of the two groups will still be so different. At least if you kept it as Naruhodo etc. some people could show off on the internet about how good their Japanese is.
>>139710641
People on this board aren't your average English viewer. Everyone here has watched hundreds of anime and is familiar with Japan, their culture and their Bushido code.
> that's all done by the visual art so there's less room for liberties in that area.
There's also an audio track that people can't just ignore.
You can't suddenly have another character talking even when it would fit better in the language you translate to.
All of you are fucking whiners. Have both subtitles available, then everybody's happy.
>naruhodo-kun
>>139710387
>using a certain Japanese suffix
You mean this faggot?
>>139710641
What this fails to appreciate is that anyone watching anime will probably either already have knowledge of Japan, it's customs and the way it's language works, or at the very least is open to the fact that they are coming from a very different background and as such things are not going to be a perfect transition. Most people are in fact not watching anime in order to get a Westerners perspective on what they're reading or watching and would probably more often than not would prefer the text be as close to the original as possible with helpers or markers to help them understand what they may be missing.
I find the fact that most translators seem to think that understanding a different cultural background is nearly impossible for their viewers to be honestly quite pompous. This isn't the 1950's anymore.
>>139707640
>People
/v/erming are not people
>>139710641
There's a difference between changing a sentence around to make a pun make sense and changing the Japanese characters' names to completely different English ones to make a pun make sense.
>>139711490
You're right.
That's a verb.
>>139707650
Is a show based on a videogame. Where do you think those comments come from?
>>139707862
What do you expect from /v/?
>>139711428
Or people are watching it because they enjoyed the video games that use the English names for those who don't know enough japanese to get the name puns
faggot
>>139707872
It's localization, adapting material to different language so that it won't sound fucking stupid without removing anything. The last part is the main difference between Fire Emblem's meme localization.
>>139711693
First, we are talking about video game's localization. Second, I could not come up with example from /a/.
>>139711754
>Second, I could not come up with example from /a/.
And that's why we don't want you vermins here.
Kill la Kill used the best translation I saw envolving names. Junketsu means Purity? So add a short description in the subs. "Junketsu, purity? What's pure about you?".
>>139711614
So people from /v/ who don't watch anime?
>>139711789
>we
Sure thing /b/uddy, glorious /a/rmy is with (you).
>>139710641
>Jay Rubin
Funny how he left 1Q84's title alone, isn't it? It's almost like you're misrepresenting his ideas to make it look like he would support your retarded localizations.
>>139711807
Didn't Underwater translated the name of senketsu? I remember complaining about that.
>>139711942
Did he at least rename the characters and move the setting?
>>139712118
don't be a retard
>>139712153
He's right.
>>139712170
not in this situation
>>139712153
As someone who has no prior attachment to the English names, they don't seem particularly better to me.
>>139712225
some people are more attached to the english names in certain situations just look at megaman
As fan of the series, I don't get the argument. Elitists/animeonlyfags (as if those will exist) can stick with their straight-forward translation, while if you have beaten the game you should be able to recall all the names of the characters easily. Argument that "hurr I know her by that name, but hear other" is so autistic and stupid.
>>139712337
We have both tracks, so the only argument here is which is better.
>>139712374
Both good.
>>139712337
>fan of the series
>played the english rewrite
>>>/v/
>>139712374
English, duh
>>139712465
>censorship faggot
>>>/v/
>>139711942
I don't see why 1Q84's title would need to be changed. For what it's worth he did change the title of after the quake.
>>139708721
Still, the text is barely readable.
>>139710641
I happen to have a copy of Jay Rubin's translation of 1Q84 in front of me.
On the Second Fucking Page:
>"Aomame" was her real name ... written with exactly the same characters as the word for "green peas" and pronounced with the same four syllables, "Ah-oh-mah-meh."
It goes on to explain that Aomame is an odd name, and everyone looks askance at it, and mixes her up with different beans.
Then for the next 1154 pages, her name is given as Aomame because that's her fucking name.
>>139712748
This, I don't see what's so hard about explaining the meaning of a name and then keeping it original. I am thinking about Mushishi, I don't know how it was done in english but here the names were not translated and there was a tn explaining the meaning of the names once, you don't need more than that
>>139712608
>1Q84
>1-kyuu-84
>1984
>muh authentic folded 1000 times japanese nameus
Fuck off back to /a/ you stupid weeaboos
>>139713044
We're literally on /a/. Are you retarded?
>>139713490
someone just delete this board
>>139713490
anime is fine full blown weebs are cancer
>>139712748
Murakami's books are full of strange characters with strange names and I expect that an explanation of a name like that is not far off from if not the same as the original prose. Incidentally, would you have known Aomame is considered an odd name if the book hadn't explicitly told you so? To most English readers all Japanese names sound equally foreign. These are the kinds of considerations translators constantly have to make.
Changing the names and setting like Capcom did with Ace Attorney isn't a decision that's made lightly, in no way am I trying to make it sound like it is. There are more considerations translators have to take when thinking about what to change than just translating jokes, there issues like tone, readability and so on. .
>>139713737
The translation of the explanation is perfect. I'm lauding the fact that he kept Aomame as Aomame, rather than doing the obvious thing of translating the name and ruining the subtlety of having the kanji for peas show up at dramatic moments.
>Changing the names and setting like Capcom did with Ace Attorney isn't a decision that's made lightly
That's the difference between localization and translation. They didn't change the setting to Los Angeles in the games because it more accurately conveyed the story, they did it because it would sell better. The names had the same amount of thought put into them: Phoenix Wright will sell better than Naruhodou Ryuuichi. That someone put the time into making the names somewhat reflective of the wordplay in the original is praiseworthy, but the overall process was not.
>>139714000
this is a work safe board and I'm not american you stupid weeb
Is no one else surprised that the videogame board of an anime forum appers to be one of the most vocal haters of weeaboos?
>>139714351
no that would be /tv/ or /pol/
>>139714387
/pol/ hates everything, they don't count.
>>139714428
every board hates everything
