So can we talk about the fact that apparently Hit is as strong as SSB which means he could actually fuck with the likes of Beerus and Champa?
>>139565802
You know he's going to lose to Goku somehow.
>>139565802
He seems to be far stronger from the preview, but his "strength" could not be actual strength at all. In the preview he seems to outclass vegeta to such an extent that it would seem as if he would give Beerus a run for his money at the very least.
>>139565802
>tfw /a/ writes better than Toei
>>139565802
Champa didn't seem to a give a fuck that Vegeta entered god mode with ssb
>>139566198
I was expecting him to lose his shit to that given that he thought they were extremely weak and didn't know about Super Saiyan let alone SSB.
>>139565802
He probably is as strong as Monaka is, not exactly he can beat Beerus or Champa, but stronger than SSB, that's new.
>>139565802
the first arc of dragon ball GT where they go looking for the dragon balls across the universe, was super comfy and much better than anything in DBS
>>139566309
You don't remember how bad it was
>>139566334
>implying many remember GT
Judging by the previous thread, plenty don't & call even the parts GT did before original.
>>139566309
Same fag from the last thread that literally everyone disagreed with.
Fuck off.
>>139566309
Yeah no, it tried too hard to be DB IN SPACE!!! rather than it's own thing.
It even did a terrible rehash of Oolong's village terrorism.
>>139566421
>samefag
>everyone
>implying that's him
>implying the faggots previously wouldn't get BTFO if the thread didn't get archived
>>139565802
>So can we talk about this bad guy that's stronger than the MCs because that never happened before
Gokufags and Vegetafags are annoying.
>>139566490
>IP count didn't increase
Samefag confirmed
Also you were the only one getting BTFO'd in that thread.
I was reading some of the last thread and you dumbasses need to actually pay attention. A lot of your autistic fanboy sperging speculation is actually answered by the show itself.
Yeah Hit is very powerful, but this tournament has been mostly about adapting to something more than just brute strength and ki. Hit has some sort of strange powers that nobody can immediately figure out. He's going to knockout Vegeta at least. He might beat Goku and/or Nipples, but the point is is that nobody knows what he's doing. SSB can probably beat him easily if they find out how his power works. He might actually be pretty weak relative to Champa and Beerus.
>>139566613
>no u
>anons saying shit was original
>anon denying Vegeta succeeding Mystic Gohan being original & GT didn't do thay
>anons thought Super 17 arc reviving Frieza hadn't been done before
>anons thinking SSB is original
>>139566829
I just wonder if Monaka is figuring his fighting style
>>139566309
>Early GT
>Comfy
That is definitely not one of the words I would use to describe it
>>139566924
And all you did was say NUH UH and make up shit on the spot about how they were wrong.
>>139567145
>make up shit
>anons were denying Goku & Vegeta getting their own exclusive transformations
>anons were behaving like Reddit
>anons were doing exactly as you stated & proving that they didn't watch GT before they posted
Why don't we wait until the episode comes out before speculating powers so hard?
What is this fammmmmm
>>139565802
Garbage
>>139567295
Is crying?
>>139565802
His power is so high he's just able to outrun Champa, they have never fight.
>>139567295
kek
New Days are wearing cardboard version of the Freeza's army armor for Mania
HI FUCKERS TORIYAMA HERE
MONAKA IS ACTUALLY WEAK AS FUCK AND BEERUS IS JUST USING HIM AS A COVERUP TO PREVENT GOKU/VEGETA FROM BECOMING COMPLACENT.
THE JOKE IS GOING TO BE GOKU AND VEGETA WILL LOSE TO HIT BUT HIT'S POWER IS PROPORTIONAL TO THE OPPONENT AND MONAKA WILL PULL OUT A WIN.
>>139566309
If by "comfy" you mean "fucking boring, then yes, I agree
Kami actually reconstructed the moon back to it's original state in Dragon Ball.
Piccolo blew it up later during Gohan's transformation.
It's very clear that Kami can reconstruct the moon again.
>>139567243
>>anons were denying Goku & Vegeta getting their own exclusive transformations
No one denied shit, you said that SSB wasn't original for "reasons".
>>anons were doing exactly as you stated & proving that they didn't watch GT before they posted
Coming from the person defending GT without knowing how bad it truly was.
>>139567379
Wouldn't be the first time.
>>139566930
5000 hours in paint
>>139567475
Is it your first time watching chinese cartoon?
>>139567652
>for "reasons"
>anon said Goku & Vegeta getting their own exclusive transformation is normal
>SSJ
>A bargain sale
>SSJ2
>Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Gotenks for a few seconds
>SSJ3
>Goku & Gotenks
>SSJ4
>Goku & Vegeta
>SSGSS
>Goku & Vegeta
>without knowing how bad it truly was
>Gotenks mentioned but never seen
>Goku taking down most of Shenrons himself
>Android 17 BTFO Vegeta
>Frieza & Cell regenerating in hell bullshit
>Uub
>>139567943
Okay now you're just bringing up points you never even said in the first place.
>without knowing how bad it truly was
>Gotenks mentioned but never seen
>Goku taking down most of Shenrons himself
>Android 17 BTFO Vegeta
>Frieza & Cell regenerating in hell bullshit
>Uub
Great, you've listed about an eighth of what makes it worse than super.
>>139566309
Super isn't perfect (ESPECIALLY THE ANIMATION), but overall it's an improving anime now that they're out of the movie arcs. Hell, even the movie arcs added some good stuff, like Gohan's start to his own character arc.
You don't remember how bad Dragon Ball GT (Goku Time) was anon. And before you say DB has always been just about Goku, any part of Z is nowhere close to being as focused on Goku only as in GT. Literally EVERYONE is useless besides Goku. And I mean they're not even close to being able to help, ever.
>>139568177
You know what the worst part was?
The way they purposely nerfed Goku during the space travels and then made up the part where he couldn't hold SSJ3 because he was a kid despite Gotenks doing literally the same thing with less control over the form.
>>139568037
>never said
>what is thread being archived
>implying Gohan going from BoG Mystic to fuccboi in 6 months despite losing less power in 7 years between Cell & Buu is any better
>implying Zarbon-tier enemy defeating Kami-fused Piccolo is good
>implying bringing back Frieza wasn't done by Super 17 & Plan to Eradicate Saiyans
>implying Goku stealing Vegeta's kill is good
>implying U6 wasn't hugely disappointing
>it just takes a little bullying to turn someone into a super saiyan
Dropped there and then.
>>139568555
Nigga, how did you NOT see that coming from a mile away?
GT is shit
deal with it and move on
>>139568497
>>what is thread being archived
Proof you didn't say shit like that.
>>implying Gohan going from BoG Mystic to fuccboi in 6 months despite losing less power in 7 years between Cell & Buu is any better
>implying Zarbon-tier enemy defeating Kami-fused Piccolo is good
>>implying Goku stealing Vegeta's kill is good
It also wasn't Super you retard.
>>implying bringing back Frieza wasn't done by Super 17 & Plan to Eradicate Saiyans
>implying Frieza was a clone
>implying Frieza was dead
>implying it was similar in any was other than the fact that Frieza was there
>>implying U6 wasn't hugely disappointing
Not as disappointing as Goku Time
Or should I say
>Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans redux
>Fusion Reborn Android edition
>fanfiction featuring movie fusion with a new form!
>>139568690
baby was a pretty good villain
>>139568690
GTfag will never accept it wasn't anything but utter shit.
He always comes here and shitposts about Super being worse than it.
>>139568258
>Gotenks doing literally the same thing
>anon doesn't remember Buu Saga Goku struggling with SSJ3 while alive
HeyGuys
>>139568790
That has nothing to do with it considering it's been 10+ years since he unlocked the form by the time of GT.
Even in BoG Goku has better control over it to the point he can change near instantly.
>>139568866
No wonder Hit is the "hardest" opponent in his team.
HNNNNNGHHHHHH
>>139566106
You gotta remember Vegeta has been battling for awhile too.
>>139568693
>why didn't you say that
>replies that thread was archived
>anon continues not knowing shit
>wasn't Super
>implying RoF wasn't redone in Super & that was kept
>implying concept of Frieza training to become stronger & challenging Goku wasn't done already in Super 17
>implying idea of Frieza returning wasn't my point
>implying right now isn't Goku time
>implying Super isn't GT 1.1 with more recolors
>implying you're not describing Super when calling things fanfiction
>>139566106
Remember, Beerus was holding back when he faced Goku, and Super removed the line about the amount of power he used in that battle (He says that he's using his full power, but after the battle it's revealed that he wasn't).
>>139568868
>Even BoG
>citing BoG for GT
what a bullshit episode desu
hopefully things pick up next ep
Why is Dende such a thug?
>>139569287
>implying RoF wasn't redone in Super & that was kept
That wasn't kept though. Shisami gets killed by Gohan without facing Piccolo at all, and Tagoma, the one who beats up Piccolo in Super, got a big power up by training with Freeza, and was said to be as strong as Gohan at his best.
>implying concept of Frieza training to become stronger & challenging Goku wasn't done already in Super 17
It was also done even right before the Other World Tournament. The difference is that in those occasions the anime made him a joke, by showing that his growth was much smaller than Goku's and that their gap had widened, while Super portrays Freeza as a fighting genius that surpassed Goku once he actually trained.
>implying right now isn't Goku time
Goku hasn't fought in 4 episodes now.
Really, GT was so much "Goku time" that they couldn't even do a proper "other fighters hold on for Goku to arrive" scenario. In the Super 17 arc, Freeza's and Cell's return was just there to give Goku battles and screentime while stuck in hell, rather than focusing on the warriors on Earth. Compare with the RoF arc in Super, where Goku and Vegeta are barely shown before returning to Earth.
>>139569287
>>implying RoF wasn't redone in Super & that was kept
Still isn't Super's story you retard.
>>implying idea of Frieza returning wasn't my point
So you have no point then.
>>implying right now isn't Goku time
We've literally had about five episodes of just Vegeta that alone is more than GT has done for other characters.
>>implying Super isn't GT 1.1 with more recolors
Because Super did a cheap rehash of DB in the first arc and rehashed plan to eradicate the saiyans in the second, you can see where I'm going with this so I won't bother going on.
>>implying you're not describing Super when calling things fanfiction
Yeah because negative energy doesn't scream fanfiction.
>>139569346
That's because BoG showed a little growth power wise but GT didn't.
That's the whole point.
>>139569499
>strong as Gohan at best
>instantly BTFO by SSJ fuccboi Gohan
>Super
>implying Frieza wasn't portrayed as a little bitch who couldn't win against Son Goku & only successful because Goku & Vegeta decided to have fun & not gangbang him at start
>4 Episodes
>4 Episodes
>>139569686
>>implying Frieza wasn't portrayed as a little bitch who couldn't win against Son Goku & only successful because Goku & Vegeta decided to have fun & not gangbang him at start
Okay argument is over.
This faggot hasn't even watched RoF or Super.
Frieza was literally stronger than Goku and Vegeta and the only reason they won was because Frieza didn't train with the form learning how to manage the power drain like they did for Super Saiyan.
For the majority of the fight Frieza was kicking Goku's ass hard.
>>4 Episodes
Hell of a lot more than GT, pretty sure Goku was in all but one or two episodes
>>139566286
Ih shit, is he really based on the evolution picolo?
>>139569511
>isn't Super
>Gohan is still a fuccboi & weak enough that enemies Master Roshi can defeat he can't instantly beat
>Piccolo quitting because Vegeta told him to
>so you have no point
>point was that concept had been done before & isn't original to Super
>anon denies this
>Vegeta that alone is more than GT has done for other characters
>Vegeta
>Golden Great Ape
>SSJ4
>Pan
>implying Super isn't rehashed GT
>not seeing similarities pointed out
>negative energy
>defends Super
>"Godly Ki"
>"Original" Super Dragon Balls, not Namekian made
>4 months of Frieza training
>>139569843
>For the majority of the fight Frieza was kicking Goku's ass hard
>anon hasn't watched RoF
>this anon was claiming this
>Frieza's biggest successful attack on Goku was through Sorbet
>Goku fucking around & stalling entire time because he knew Frieza would poop out
>Vegeta on sidelines until joining in to fight GOKU, not Frieza prior to Sorbet attack
>>139567627
This. Very plausible theory as Monaka is the counter gimmick.
>>139566286
Golden Frieza is stronger than SSB. He just drained power too fast and eventually got weak again.
Let's murder Yamamuro so Super can look this good.
>>139568555
Haven't seen the episode yet, but Cabba was a loooooot stronger than Goku was back in the Namek Saga. It'd make sense as to why it didn't take as much effort if it's easier to go super Saiyan the stronger you are.
>>139570103
Que? What are you talking about?
>>139568555
Cabba is at the same level as base Vegeta. I don't know how that is weird considering how Goten became Super
>>139569686
>instantly BTFO by SSJ fuccboi Gohan
The same Gohan that managed to make a ki signature big enough to be felt from Beerus' planet, while powered up Freeza in 1st form couldn't be sensed.
>>139570016
>anon hasn't watched RoF
This is about Super though. Freeza's advantage was never big on RoF, but it was quite a bit bigger in Super even if the result was the same (Goku matching and then beating him after he started losing stamina).
>>139569938
>Vegeta
Outside of being possessed by Baby, even Vegeta does very little though.
Heck, even when he turns into a SSJ4, right afterwards he's getting beaten up and wondering how Goku could keep up with Omega and even 4 star dragon. SSJ4 Vegeta was pretty much just fusion fodder and he even loses the form permanently after the fusion ends (then goes on about how Goku was a genius for being able to transform into it at will).
>>139570193
Yamamuro's current designs suck compared to his old ones. If he goes, then we can get someone who doesn't draw characters like plastic dolls! Woo.
>>139567295
I thought it was just a meme but Purple Cell actually is Coldsteel the Hedgehog
>>139567295
why are they pandering so hard to the muh edgy gohan fags?
>>139569938
>>Gohan is still a fuccboi & weak enough that enemies Master Roshi can defeat he can't instantly beat
>Gohan was tearing through enemies like it was his birthright until he got cocky and tagoma took a cheap shot killing his own partner
>Gohan also beat Ginyu in Tagoma's body easily
>Only defeated by Frieza who was on a totally different level
What was your point again?
>>Piccolo quitting because Vegeta told him to
What does this even have to do with the conversation at hand?
>>point was that concept had been done before & isn't original to Super
They share one single aspect which is Frieza, two can't even be called revivals because one was a regret clone and the other wasn't brought back to life at all.
>Vegeta
Punching bag, the majority of his appearances was him being possesed by Baby
>Golden Great Ape
Goku being the first person to get the form.
>SSJ4
It didn't even look like an SS form and it made no sense at all.
>Pan
Yeah, the worst character in GT. What's your point?
>implying Super isn't rehashed GT
>not seeing similarities pointed out
The only similarity is that there's another set of dragonballs and even then it's leagues apart because
1) Not only do they not originate from earth but they were the original balls
2) they're the size of god damn planets and exist over two universes
3)there's also no "earth blows up in a year" bullshit
>>"Godly Ki"
>"Original" Super Dragon Balls, not Namekian made
>4 months of Frieza training
So what exactly is your point here?
That somehow the extremely overused "IT'S A DARK VERSION BECAUSE REASONS" plot isn't in fact extremely overused and seen in fanfiction where as the others you listed haven't?
>>139570016
Okay, this is the entire fight between Frieza and Goku summed up
>Goku losing
>Frieza getting exhausted
>Goku winning
>Goku getting cocky
>Frieza cheap shot
>>139568555
Vegeta said he was going to kill him and after that his planet and his family.
>>139570255
Jesus Christ I fucking wish it could look that good. Bottom vegeta is shiny, has a bitch jaw, has bitch muscles, skinny as fuck, face barely shows his personality... like fuck..
Why you gotta depress me?
>>139568555
>>it just takes a little bullying to turn someone into a super saiyan
Literally more than Gohan
>imagine being angry
>poof
>Super
>>139570550
Fuck off gohan fag
>>139570594
>face barely shows his personality
I don't know about that.
Top is more angry.
Bottom is more, this guy is pathetic which is a bit more fitting for the situation he was in.
Realistically bottom's expression but top's style.
>>139570711
Fuck off, I've hated Gohan since his power up bullshit against Raditz. That's literally what happened in Super.
Just saw episode 37 and I am inexplicably filled with warm fuzzies.
All this wonderful character development for Vegeta, and how he "teaches" Cabba to go Super Saiyan was fantastic and in-character.
He not only uses Cabba's own reasons for fighting as a way to incite him to transform, but reminds him that a Saiyan must hold onto their pride.Who else thinks that Cabba is specifically Vegeta's U6 counterpart, or possibly the son of his U6 counterpart?Though if it turns out that the U6 Saiyan King is his counterpart I'd be fine with that too.
>>139570802
I think it'll be more that Vegeta shared the skills of his family among the masses or he set up a saiyan training center for those who want to join the force.
But I wouldn't mind if that was true.
>>139570802
The whole Cabba situation is kind of odd. If the Saiyan King is stronger than him, why didn't Champa call him? Did he just pick a random Saiyan?
It's also odd how Cabba talks about needing more power to protect his universe - if had difficult and dangerous battles, it's strange that he, or other SSJs from Universe 6, didn't become SSJs before.
>>139565802
I hope Toriyama gives us Hit's origin or at least tells us how he became so strong.
>>139570910
Well, the story is hinting at a Universe 6 adventure so you never know.
>>139570217
Okay, this is retarded.
>Ki signature
SSJ3 Goku's Ki had been felt in all the world when he did his thing. In fact, Frieza did a darn good job of hiding his Ki.
>Frieza's advantage
And Vegeta didn't think it was enough to fight Frieza instead of punching Goku.
>does little
He became the main form for the villain at the time &SSJ4 Goku was much weaker than Omega Shenron. In fact, all Goten & Kid Trunks did significantly was becoming fusion fodder too.
>>139570787
Fuck off gohanfag!
>>139570550
You can't understand that posts' meaning? Superfags, why?
>>139570905
Well the form is achieved through anger so maybe he's never gotten that angry before?
Even though that's kind of bullshit it's the only way to rationalize it.
>>139570905
King need have a good soldier as his right hand, besides isn't saiyans are kind people in U6 anyway?
>>139569364
>God isn't a thug
>#RappingforJesus
>>139571000
>SSJ3 Goku's Ki had been felt in all the world when he did his thing. In fact, Frieza did a darn good job of hiding his Ki.
Beerus' planet is super distant though. Goku could pick up ki signatures from Earth while being in the Supreme Kai planet (and vice-versa) but he couldn't pick anything on Earth from Beerus' planet - including Freeza's, in spite of him attacking. It's only when Gohan power ups after Piccolo dies that he is able to sense someone on Earth.
>>139571000
>He became the main form for the villain at the time &SSJ4 Goku was much weaker than Omega Shenron
He still turned around the battle twice. Of course, both times those attacks failed, but it's still better than just getting beaten up like Vegeta did.
Goku also matched and beat 4 star dragon while Vegeta couldn't keep up with him.
>>139566309
how can you be comfortable with gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero gero
>>139570905
They never stated if he was stronger than Cabba, just that he was a strong and prideful king.
As for why they never became Super Saiyans before, well...considering that a lot of conflicts were orchestrated by Frost, it stands to reason that they'd be ones that he could easily resolve, albeit sometimes with help.
Can't be expected to get stronger if things start to plateau, right? That, and if Cabba's an example of the U6 Saiyan race, they're far more amiable and humble than their U7 counterparts.
Being prideful doesn't exactly fit the description of someone belonging to a race of people described as the universe's heroes, right? That, and going by Shonen manga law, heroes are rather easygoing and only get pressed into unstoppable rages if the right buttons are pressed.
There just hasn't been the right set of circumstances for any of Cabba's people to achieve a Super Saiyan transformation. But now that Vegeta has passed on the secrets of the Super Saiyan transformation to Cabba, They'll become that much more effective in their role as their universe's protectors, and Frost is gonna have hell to pay, for sure.
>>139571000
Do you think before you post?
Because this shit hardly makes sense.
>SSJ3 Goku's Ki had been felt in all the world when he did his thing. In fact, Frieza did a darn good job of hiding his Ki.
>Frieza
>hiding his Ki
>when everyone sensed it when he was revived and when he came to earth
Also comparing Gohan's feat to Goku's who was in SSJ3 just makes Gohan look all the more impressive seeing as the distance between Earth and Beerus' planet is probably a good few light years apart.
>And Vegeta didn't think it was enough to fight Frieza instead of punching Goku.
What does this have to do with the current conversation?
>He became the main form for the villain at the time
That was baby in his body you idiot, not Vegeta. As much as you want to count that as screen time for Vegeta, it wasn't.
>&SSJ4 Goku was much weaker than Omega Shenron.
Basically all Vegeta did in the Shadow Dragon arc was:
>show up
>act like a monkey for lulz
>fuse
>attempt to fuse again
>job so Goku can take the spotlight again
>>139571262
I meant giru but point still stands
also trunks
>>139571334
God, GT ruined Trunks.
I mean, GT ruined pretty much everyone but Trunks was hit the hardest.
>>139571037
>no more arguments
>Y-you just don't understand!
>>139569895
That would be some real hilarious thing.
>>139571573
>he's actually a transformed namekian and piccolo gets a form similar to Hit
How would you react?
>>139571060
>besides isn't saiyans are kind people in U6 anyway?
More or less.
>>139571681
Either happy or mad, because Hit is from U6, and probably in his race happened something like the Saiyans in U6 lost their tails in evolution.
>>139570255
Well, the animation has been picking up the last few episodes, but the preview to next week looks like shit.
I can't hate Super for that when even Toriyama has spoke out that quality was not where he wanted it to be. I can only be saddened that Toei will forever have the rights to Dragon Ball animation.
>>139572876
>I can only be saddened that Toei will forever have the rights to Dragon Ball animation.
I'd do anything to have a Dragon Ball anime done by Madhouse.
>>139567627
I believe this, not the part where you said you were a birdyama but the plot thing m8. cheer on
>>139568555
Eh, the dude's base power was well beyond what is required to become a Super Saiyan, he apparently just never got angry in his life.
I'm just waiting until they adapt the events of Dragonball Xenoverse/Online to coincide with the release of Xenoverse 2 worldwide.
Because you know that would happen.Maybe then they'll get the World Tournaments working right.And the winner gets the honor of having their CaC cameo in an episode of Super.
It's nice to dream...
>>139570550
>tearing through
>enemies they should have individually handled in seconds much like Future Trunks
>takes more than ten seconds
>worthwhile
>anything to do
>commenting about characters being shafted
>this is somehow irrelevant
>brought back to life
>missing point
>point was about Frieza making a return, notice wording, becoming stronger & fighting Goku again
>this concept has been done many times
>Vegeta
>said to be stronger than Gohan
>gets more shit than Gotenks
>G-Goku was first!
>Gohan was first SSJ2
>Gotenks was first fusion, not counting Namekian Fusion
>see where they are now
>didn't even look
>beside the point
>anon hasn't seen SSJ3 concept art
>they wanted a return to Great Ape
>Pan
>Uub is present
>the annoying robot was present
>GT Trunks
>t-they were originals!
>Namek Balls used to be that
>implying "my guy was here originally & first" isn't fanfiction level
>size
>this is relevant apparently
>earth blows up was due to Dragon Balls and shit
>>139565802
>If the multiverse theory is true, there's an universe where Dragon Ball Z was about U6 characters
What are they thinking while watching DBS?
>>139573963
They're probably still pissed that longtime fan favorite character Frost turned out to be evil "because reasons".
>>139571441
>I-I don't understand shit & never watched GT
>continues bitching and implying that Super isn't GT tier
>>139574027
"That fucking Jaco guy saying shit about Frost"
>>139566829
hes freezing time
>>139569895
toryama reportedly hated evolution, so maybe he stole the design to have it killed
>>139574027
lmfao
"is anybody else pissed that they asspulled a more powerful saiyan form? a whole race of these fuckers is not going to go well. nice job, Toriyamo"
You guys think he hates himself?
>>139574262
Everybody hated evolution. My brain managed to wipe that movie from its memory.
>>139574444
>4444
Pretty much a bad luck, quite a suicidal saiyan ever existed in own galaxy.
>>139574444
>God damn, I hate myself
>>139574442
>Yellow form is called "Super Saiyan"
>Blue form is called "Super Saiyan Blue"
"That's retarded, why not calling it Supersaiyan 2 or Ultrasaiyan? If you are going to call the second form "Blue" then call the first one Gold or Yellow. God dammit Amayrot is not even trying now."
>>139574592
>>139574708
>Karoly is the multiverse's most super-powerful, super suicidal Super Saiyan.
>His power is beyond Maximum and he hates it.
>>139574444
WHat's his relationship with Goten?
>I love you but I hate you.
So Vegeta is totally going to lose, but I feel like Goku is either going to
A) Get blown the fuck out
B) Lost on purpose to see Monaka fight which ends with 6 losing
OR C) Goku pulling out some stupid new form/winning for no fucking reason, making the tourney a bit pointless./
Yes, they will most likely still go to U6 if U7 wins, but it would be great to see Beerus BTFO and get earths switched. Though I'm always rooting for team U7.
>>139574906
>Goku pulling out some stupid new form/winning
Super Saiyan green. The SSJ2 equivalent for SSBlue. Calling it now.
>>139567627
>MONAKA IS ACTUALLY WEAK AS FUCK
He took a punch from Goku.
>>139574946
I hope you die. No. I do not want this.
Might as well call it Dragon Ball Rainbow.
>>139574882
>I wanna train with you but if I hit you, I don't know when or if I will stop.
>>139573815
Keep telling yourself that, m8.I know I am. ;_;
>>139574946
>Calling it now
>Fanfic tier bullshit since 2013
>now
Sure buddy
>>139574973
We should note that DB characters know how to hold back. Goku did blast Old Kai in the face once.
so the bit in the episode where vegeta goes ssj blue and kos cabba and tells him to remember the pain, it can be safe to assume he's somehow given him a bit of god ki or something in that punch considering how he was telling him to surpass him
>>139574444
>hates himself so he beats the shit out of himself daily
>Zenkai boosts everywhere
>>139571368
>wanting trunks to become like future trunks in a timeline where he had it piss easy
Yeah, ruining him actually makes the plot more believable.
>>139576255
Nigga, Zenkai boosts do not work if they're self-inflicted.
>>139576224
You can't "Give" people God Ki, otherwise Whis would know about it and the whole 'Gotta ask shenron' thing wouldnt have happened
>>139566309
Literally the only thing GT did right was Super 17 and the intro song.
>>139568866
Hit hard, double dubs confirm.
>>139576701
W-welcome to the grand tour?
>>139576619
but it can be assumed you can get it through exposure or something otherwise how did vegeta get it
>>139576791
>assumed
Don't fucking do that.
>Vegeta
Probabbly the same way as Goku. go ask Toriyama if he can even remember how it happened in the first place
>>139576701
>Tails being reintroduced
>SS4 being appart of having a tail and powering up through some Ozaruu transformation
>>139576791
Vegeta got it through training. Whis and Beerus weren't there to pick someone to train to face them some time later. They were searching for the SSJ God during that one day.
>>139576414
Son Goku travelling to Namek says otherwise.
>>139576985
Not him but i think its a blurred line if it comes down to training. To me it seems like the more Sayjins train the stronger they become because in training your destroy your body on a micro level. Through Zenkai boosting you can heal alot faster and stronger. Thus they also become capable of training under enhanced gravity as the stress it would normally cause on a body gets zenkai boosted through untill its no longer a problem. Its Adaptability in its finnest form
>>139576224
You're looking too into it.
He was telling him to remember the pain of defeat as motivation to get stronger.
>>139577115
>Through Zenkai boosting you can heal alot faster and stronger.
They can't heal faster, ya know. But stronger is the only right part.
>>139576788
No, not that shitty rap intro. The falling under your spell song.
fuck, 37 episodes and super is still super shit.
just fucking how!
>>139577197
I say the Italian Opening was one of the besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwMokUKM6A0
>>139577385
Because the first 27 episodes are just BoG and RoF, also the low budget and the low care how Toei gives to itAnd why DB threads in /v/ always have more people than in /a/?
>>139572876
yet toei has to ask permission to toriyama and his personal studio to produce new content, did you know that?
>>139577469
That's a fucking AMV with a bunch of spoilers if you're looking at it the first time, how is that version the best?
>>139577998
The music I mean. Besides, openings spoil all the time. Seeing as this is Dragon Ball, the Episode Title would be the bigger concern if you care for spoilers.
good episode
>>139578053
Oh yeah, the music rules, the Dragon Ball Z one as well.
>>139567295
Either he's stupid fast or he can fuck with time.
a few Toriyama+Toyotaro quotes from an interview on V-Jump site:
Q: Why is SSB blue?
Toriyama: "First I was going to have it be white, but that would clash with the 'next enemy', so I saved it for later."
Toriyama: "Currently I have no plans for Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus and Whis."
Toyotaro: "Having read the new plot, I'm glad a certain character related to the future is getting involved. I'm a big fan!"
Interviewer: "Maybe Toyotaro could add some of his own ideas to the plot"
Toriyama: "Yeah, that'd be cool."
Toyotaro: "Too much pressure!!!"
It looks like the Tournament Arc is about to finish, I wonder what direction is the series going to take from here. They have plenty of posibilities with all these universes.
>inb4 new villain steals that Champa device that Hit wants to travel around universes and wreck havoc
>>139568768
Baby had a good concept going on, but the execution was atrocious.
>>139578601
HAPPENING
>>139578601
>Toyotaro: "Having read the new plot, I'm glad a certain character related to the future is getting involved. I'm a big fan!"
I-IS HE FINALLY COMING BACK????
>>139572418
>> Hit maybe an namek evolution
>> namek evolution
>> Dragonball Evolution
Holy shit why didnt i think about this
>>139578601
sounds like shit
>>139578773
Oh shit, what if Hit IS Cell that's gone EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
>>139565802
I feel like he must be using some kind of weird technique to give him an edge, because it's strange that there is that big of a raw power difference between him and the next-best fighters in his universe, unless he's been trained by Vados or something but that doesn't track with the conversation her and Champa had about him.
>>139578773
Please let Mirai Trunks come back! I don't care if he jobs later on as long as his reappearance is as cool as his debut.
>>139578601
>"Currently I have no plans for Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus and Whis."
Booooooooo. I want Vegeta to make Beerus his bitch after all the shit he put them through.
>>139566829
Nah, even if his gimmick is freezing time or whatever he is still strong enough to hurt Vegeta in SSB with his punches, so he must be pretty strong.
>Toriyama: "Currently I have no plans for Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus and Whis."
Gokufags and Vegetafags BTFO
>B-but 3 years in the RoSaT
BTFO
>>139578601
>White hair
We AF now folks
>>139580319
Supa saiya jin waito
>>139578698
>Post faggot with gray hair
Are you retarded or something?
>>139578904
>Hit is U6 Cell
>He can go "SSB" but his is white
>>139580751
What if cell could go Super Cell 3 and his crown gets bigger since he doesn't have hair?
Why the FUCK was this weak as Saiyan third in Chompa's line up of fighters? It doesn't even feel like he could take on notFreeza nor the MechaMan.
>>139580828
dude
Super Saiyan blue sounds so much better than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. I have no clue what Toriyama was thinking initially.
>>139578694
U7 with probably lose and they switch places so Goku and the others can explore U6. The villain will probably be Hit or someone in U6.
>>139580831
Champa's team is absolute trash, Frost, Poo and Caba were weak shit. Only Hit and lavabot were strong.
>>139580932
You give them too much credit, Hit is going to win, get the cube and he is going to become an interuniversal hitman which will end up with him wrecking shit in U7.
>yfw Hit wants the cube to stop the real villain
>>139581136
>>139579507
>>139578773
>Hit wants the cube so he can find the villain from the future
>a plot involving the future Trunks is bac-
>It's LSSJGB Broly now with white hair
>>139581263
>Legendary Super Sayajin God Blue Broly
>White Hair
Pfft
>>139581136
I think he just wants the cube to expand his hitman business across multiple universes
>>139580896
he hasn't been thinking much lately at all
>saiyans hold hands to become a super saiyan god
>SSJ God doesn't have SSJ hair
>color swaps everywhere
>Goku and Vegeta won't surpass Beerus even though Goku made Beerus use 100% of his power in their fight
>retelling the movies that just fucking came out
>pussy Gohan who can't even find his gi
>>139581301
>>139581263
Using the latest advancements in science i have discovered that a Legendary Super Saiyan God Blue Broly would have olive hair.
>>139577115
Goku used a lot of Sensu beans to get stronger, remember he was eating them as soon as he would get tired, he was able to train for a lot longer period of time because of that,
>>139581468
>Goku made Beerus use 100% of his power
Beerus was lying when he said that.
>>139570905
Cabba didn't said that his king was strong as Vegeta, he said that he was proud, too.
>>139581468
>Goku and Vegeta won't surpass Beerus even though Goku made Beerus use 100% of his power in their fight
Did you hit your head or something, buddy?
>>139580751
>Hit is U6 Cell
Called it.
>>139567295
>>139581875
no
>>139578601
>Currently I have no plans for Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus and Whis
>>139581616
sauce?
>>139566309
I agree, manchildren just mad their DBShit is poor quality
>>139582112
>Episode 14
>Whis: “Saying that you acknowledged Goku-san and would bring out 100% of your power was just a means of drawing out his full power. It was a lie, wasn’t it?”
>Beerus: “You knew, didn’t you? Hmph.”
>>139582112
I get what Toriyama said, but I was referring to this >>139582209
>>139582209
Thanks. I'll have to rewatch that
>>139578601
>Toriyama: "Currently I have no plans for Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus and Whis."
I just wanted to see SSGSS Vegetto, what a shame,
>>139582055
>Hit is U6 Cell
>Called it.
And who knows what kind of beings he could have absorved in Universe 6.
Maybe Piccolo is there to figure out what Vegeta and Goku can't.
>>139582156
The last episodes were very good.
fuck toriyama and fuck dragon ball super.
also fuck saint seiya omega and the latest gundam.
literally ruining my childhood.
>>139581136
Someone as edgy as Hit must have a loli somewhere. He probably needs the cube for her for some reason.
>>139582424
Rarely is sequels or remakes ever as good, let alone better then the original, dear anon.Though I to sadly had hope for this.
>>139567295
He's like Cell and Cooler combined. Shoddy animation aside,I actually like his design.
OTP
>>139582573
Could have someone from another Universe (even a god?) contacted him about killing someone, so he needs Vados' cube to get there?
Some cross universes mess would be nice. Hit and Monaka job, the real threat is revealed (other Gods of Destruction?).
Vegeta and Goku save U6 and U7.
>>139582424
>Latest Gundam
IBO? It's good as fuck.
>>139576701
Shadow Dragons was an awesome concept, but had piss poor execution. It's the only thing in the entire DBverse that actually explored the negative consequences of using the Dragon Balls AKA the greatest Deus Ex Machina to ever exist in anime.
>>139582960
>Toriyama-sama will never notice you
>>139583059
this
>>139582960
>Toriyama
>Toyotaro
Is like pottery
>>139565802
Stronger then SSB.
>Vegita loses.
>Goku loses.
>The secret is Hit can exist in multiple dimensions at the same time similar to the old clone trick the gang used to perform.
>His punches are literal energy blasts.
>Beats the shit out of Goku.
>Its nipples turn.
>Nipples transforms into a big but fucking monster of power and can do the same thing.
>It impresses Goku heavily.
>Hit narrowly wins.
>Leaves in his new ship.
>Shit happens.
>Vegita goes to train sayjins on Salad or whatever.
>Goku trains more.
>Hit determines Earth is dangerous to his plans.
>SS3B
>>139566286
>as strong as Monaka
DYEWTS? Monaka is implied to be a fraud. Beerus recruited him to make Goku think he wasn't the strongest he ever fought.
>>139583311
>(Laughs)
>(Sweats)
I don't know why I love this shit, nips are so silly.
>>139583284
>a certain future-related character
What did he mean by this?
>>139583496
When this tournament is over, the gang loses, and will be stuck in Universe 6, Vegita plans to go to the Sayjin planet and train them, making them all super sayjins pretty much.
But it back fires.
They start rampaging and destroying planets doing exactly what they originally did, now that Not Freeza is out of the picture.
The big bad will be Not Goku, and it will be revealed that he was removed from the planet because he was to violent, while Vegita is good "who do you think that young kids father is"
That would be the ultimate fuck you, Kakarotto
>>139583626
>the saiyan kid knows garlic gun and vegita fighting pose
>not because he is that dimension vegita but because his dad and king is
That kinda makes sense
>>139583626
>Evil Goku
Oh god, this shit again. You have Turles, fuck off
>>139583744
The evil gokuu part is essentially a shot in the dark, but makes sense. Or you have the other part, white character.
Unless you fucking have Not Freeza finding his ultimate form which is fucking white not freeza.
everyone is theorizing what Hit can do
but I know it's going to be something really generic and stupid
it's that he can 'read' his opponent, either by being an expert assassin or he can read minds
I just know it
Champa arc movie with good animation when when when
>>139576872
>Probabbly the same way as Goku
Goku literally said that Vegeta achieved god status by himself, not through the the ritual
>>139582960
where's that retarded faggot who was spouting nonstop shit about how the anime is the more true version of Toriyama's story?
I want to laugh at him
>>139583284
>the kids will be happy
broly confirmed
>>139583496
>>139583626
"future-related"
Goku and vegeta has almost the same power level now. There's no way for goku to win this is vegeta loses. Monaka is the only hope.
Monaka is probably universe 7 hit.
>>139584140
>future related
>cell came from the future
Its happening!
>>139565802
>can we talk about
>>>/reddit/
>>139584144
Goku has more stamina than Vegeta at this point. That fight with NotRobot fucked him a bit. Goku also gets a shot as seeing how Hit fights.
>>139583247
>super saiyan white confirmed
jesus fucking christ give it a rest tori
>>139583284
>I'm really happy a certain future-related character is going to be involved
>That's a pretty popular character!
>Hopefully the kids will be happy.
Time to Trunks to come from DB Heroes I guess.
>>139584140
Yes, and the reason why Sayjins where aggressive to begin with and violent was because some shit kickers started used anger to fuel their power instead of just what they where.
Remember, the whole reason SSG existed to begin with was because 4 or 5 pure hearts powered up a god to fight the evil Sayjins.
Ok, now go to a universe where this never happened, or DID, and the good guys won!
Then the power of anger is lost forever.
Now imagine they start going down the path Vegita's people did, but with SSJ powers.
Some fucker from the future comes back "hey, im the ultimate sayjin, I killed everybody and want a challenge, so here I am"
Question
Esxh universe has his own future?
I mean. Future trunks is just from universe 7 or hist future xould be from another universe?
>>139584144
Goku watching Vegeta get his ass beat will allow Goku to see more of Hit's tricks before his fight, which will naturally put Goku in better standing than Vegeta was in.
Though naturally Goku will lose so that we can see Monaka fight (and probably lose, "unexpectedly").
Then Earth moves to Universe 6, Hit takes Champa's "Cube" to wreak havoc across the multiverse. And then Scoob and the gang will have to stop him!
>>139584315
Future Trunks is just from Universe 7.
>>139584380
>time travel splits universes
>each universe has its own many worlds theory shit going on making for infinite universes
I want a Planet Sadal arc.
>>139584518
Earth was destroyed, which is why it dosent exist.
Sayjins are good guys.
The likely hood the young kid, is Vegita's son is high.
Trunks would not exist in the other universe.
The odds are, maybe even Goku dosent.
>>139567295
pssh
>>139576210
He also punched the shit out of Krillin before the tournament started. Monaka took the punch without being moved back.
Because Beerus talked up how strong Monaka was, it's reasonable to think that Goku put more effort into that punch than the one he gave to Krillin.
>>139584658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1z2rRd9MbQ
>>139584315
Use your brain? Since the other universes have to differ from U7 by more than U6 does, there is no way Trunks could be from a different universe. He's from a different timeline's U7.
>>139584720
>you will never be nursed back to health by 18
>you will never lick her breast
ree
>>139578773
Supreme Kai of Time from Xenoverse
>>139567295
I think he teleports his punches, so wherever he punches, the oponents gets hit because he can just teleport the punch to a point the enemy aint blocking
>>139568866
>>139569016
Thanks doc
>>139578601
>Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Whis and Beerus
Good. I like having an upper limit. The lesson "There's always someone stronger than you" loses its meaning when you're the strongest. Having someone like Beerus and Whis to be a far off, unobtainable goal helps that.
>>139583284
>Toriyama likes the slice of life stuff
I'm glad. That's literally my favorite part of Dragonball
>>139565961
I wouldn't be too sure about that
because of all this talk about him getting the travel cube for winning
>>139582101
4 is something way too smart for Dragon Ball, this isn't fucking Hunter x Hunter or Fate.
It's probably something simple like being able to attack from the inside of the body, kind of like how he turned Frost into Swiss cheese.
>>139584720
This scene is great for me because it's one of the few times that references that goku and Krillin practically grew up together. Krillin worked hard but Goku always managed to grow exponentially stronger. But they're still the same guys who delivered Milk for Roshi every morning.
