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Why did they fuck up the animation so badly.

This is dogshit.
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>>139536870
>Why did they fuck up the animation so badly.
>the animation
Animation =/= art style you dipshit
The art style is based off of how it looks in the later chapters anyways.

And if youre expecting detail from a cartoon, you need to check what youre doing with your life.
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It looks wonderful
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>>139536870
Only thing that's dogshit in that picture is the hair
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>>139536870
>still picture
>animation
Anyhow, I think they make up for the bad animation with the improved art design.
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So you'll purchase the touched up BDs of course
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>>139536870
Agree, the animation was better on the manga.
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>>139538590

You mean the visuals you failure at life.
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I liked the manga voices better.
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>>139538590
>animation
>sequence of images that mimic motion
>manga
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>>139538650
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>>139538650
>>139538750
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>>139538650
>>139538750
He's being sarcastic you shitwits
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>>139536870
(you)
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>>139538879
(me)
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>>139538686
>manga
>voices
The manga has no sounds, you dumb fuck.
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>>139538929
>his manga has no sounds
You got ripped off.
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>>139538929
>The manga has no sounds,

You haven't read enough manga.
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>>139538929
>His manga doesn't have sound
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>>139538421
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>>139538929
>I can't hear manga sounds.


Anon, I have bad news.
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>>139539202
>KissAnime
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>>139539256
Not him, but the quality is good enough, so it's not a problem.
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>>139536870
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>this whole thread
Jojo fanbase everyone.
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>>139539202
So did Araki just get bored of this in the manga? I can't really remember anyone talking shit about it past maybe red hot chili peppers
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>>139539593
Araki always gets bored during a series, especially during part 4.
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>>139536870
>animation
>still image
retard alert
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>>139539754
>obvious bait
>falling for it
retard alert
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>>139539597
Rohan
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>>139536870
His hair looks bad either way.
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>>139541224
Waiting for BDs is going to be painful.
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>>139538421
>Joshuu
>talking shit about anyone else's hair
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>>139539004
this would make for a good jojo edit
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>>139539256
Let me guess, streaming is still a capital crime here?
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>>139538929
>2016
>Not hearing manga
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>>139541224
>Commie
Some-Stuffs is better.
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>nobody's talking about how good the food looks
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>>139541224
At least these awful shoulder pads are gone.
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been reading part 5 but heard people say the old translations suck. Should I wait for the color scans to be completed it, or is it still worth reading?
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>>139541224
I guess this is what Part 6 Jotaro will look like on-screen too, seems David decided to segregate the artstyle between parts 1-3 and 4-6
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>>139538421
Dog shit? I would say bullshit. Literally.

His hair looks like bull's shit.
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>>139539597
There's nothing to talk about since it's just Jojo's Bizzare Daily Life.

The most intense moment was the beginning and the ending. I'll start marathoning after Bite the Dust arc starts.
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>>139541478
I wouldn't be surprised if the anime catches up before the color scans are finished
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>>139541224
What's worse the character design or the fact that the subs had Crazy Diamond as Shining Diamond
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>>139541478
Go ahead and read the non-colored version. The JoJo team is currently coloring Part 2 for the most part right now, so you're better off looking for a high quality black-and-white instead
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>>139539597
>Araki forgot a Jojo plot point

Impossible!
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>>139541478
Just power through it. A good portion of it has been translated properly by now, and the old translation isn't awful, just inaccurate at times.
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Post yfw they change the name of every stand than cause copyright infringement.
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>>139541373
Not for most people, just a few are stuck on 2010-level internet and refuse to believe streaming can go HD now.
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>>139542033
>that can cause
is what i meant
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>>139542033
That would be my normal face. I could have told you they'd do that four years ago, and there's no simple way they could get around it
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>>139541373
>>139542049
That image literally had a watermark on it. This is an image board, fuck off. The quality of images posted here is all that matters. By posting images from streaming sites with watermarks you are advertising those streaming sites which is intended to directly rob the content creators of revenue. By posting shitty, low res, artefact riddled Kissanime images you are killing JoJo. Not in the kind of way you are killing it by downloading it for free, in the kind of way that you are telling everybody that sees the image to watch it for free.
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>>139542033
It would bother me more at this point if every stand name wasn't in English anyway. Pretty pointless translating Crazy Diamond to Shiny Diamond when they are literally going to be screaming CURAZY DIAMONDO.
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>>139542196
Just waiting to see what 'Another One Bites the Dust' becomes. And Killer queen.
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>>139542141
I can't tell if you're serious or not. Are you saying that by downloading Commie or other fansubs I'm preventing the death of anime over using a stream service? Because water marks?

Because if you're serious then I'm afraid you caught a case of the retards.
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As you know I'm a man of
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>>139536870
>Liking the terrible early Part 4 art whereas the best art in the series is mid Part 4 up until it became monthly.
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>>139542280
No I'm saying you are encouraging people to use a shitty service like Kissanime which makes you as bad as they are while simultaneously lowering the overall quality of images posted in these threads. Don't ever post an image on 4chan again.
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>>139541419
This is where all the budget went.
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>>139542257
From what I gather, they've so far stuck with the names used in All Star Battle, which would make it Deadly Queen.
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>>139542393
Whatever you say bud. Thanks for confirming that /a/ and all of 4chan has not changed one bit in the last 7 years, it's still shit.
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>>139542574
If you don't like it you can always fuck off to reddit where you belong.
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It's Jojo, if they don't fuck up the animation then it isn't jojo
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>>139542574
Anon, just ignore him. Every board has its share of crazy people that must be ignored.
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>>139542709
>Responding to your own posts
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>>139542741
Same as ever, forever and ever.
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Would the first ep have been better if they kept the really rough, hardened artstyle from the early manga chapters and eased into Pt 4's style?
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>>139536870
>his hair doesn't flare up with little spikes when he's angry
That actually is a fuckup.
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>dat OST when Jotaro and Josuke are facing off
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>>139543179
No.
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>>139538929
Do you have a soul?
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>tfw you would never know what was the last crime Angelo committed enough to make a sewer rat puke

Like, how bad could it be? He went and committed bestiality or something?
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>>139543491
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>>139543491
Read the manga.
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>>139543584
>IQ of 160
>got caught every tme he committed a crime
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>>139543584
>>139543586

Hmm, definitely forgot this part. Still, making rats puke is a little extreme.
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>>139542049
HD isn't all that matters, you idiot. If the bitrate is shit (which it will be, because it's streaming), then the quality is going to be shit.
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I can't wait to see the rat sniper duel
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>>139543241
That actually disappointed me. It's a small detail but it weakened the scene for me.
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>>139541609
"Shining Diamond" is no different from "Cool Ice" or whatever the fuck it was in Part 3.

Every single stand is going to have its name changed if it comes from a song.

Bite Za Dusto: Bite My Buttzo
Killer Queen: Killa King
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap: Bargain Bin Soiled Diaper
Red Hot Chili Pepper: Flamin Spicy Chili Heat
Heaven's Door: Cock Block Knockin
Highway Star: Roadie Star
Earth Wind and Fire: Element Disco
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But I liked it
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>>139544244
I like you anon.
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>>139541419
>>139542436
>Pearl Jam
Can't wait
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>>139544138
It doesn't really matter the characters say the real name not the crunchyroll one
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>>139544280
Yeah I can't wait until David Pro censors the entire fight into oblivion
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>>139544425
>fight
There's no fight. All is love with Pearl Jam.
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JOJO has always had bad animation
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I don't think Josuke's fear of turtles is ever brought up again, it it?
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>>139543766
They're only fucking drawings, who cares if it's low quality? It's not ike someone took the time to film something that actually requires a good high quality image
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>>139545726
People with taste care.
inb4 reply
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>>139546042

Look at this >>139541224
Its all just flat blocks of colour, there's litteraly no reason you'd ever need anything more than 240p
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>>139546134

read >>139546042 again
>people with taste care
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>>139546260
>anime
>taste
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>>139538650
>Being this autistic. He was being sarcastic you fucking neckbeard. You would know this if you ever left your basement to speak to someone.
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>>139545726
Literally the other way around.

Streaming makes it look like .jpg, DLing makes it look like a .png. Tell me, which one is better for Drawings?
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Is it just me or is the voice acting on this anime a little.. shit?

I mean, not just part 4, JoJo as a whole. When the characters are distressed and trying to act tough I expect them to, like, yell, at least. Instead, they just raise their voices a liiitle bit and talk slightly more gruff. For example, even the thugs from the first episode on part 4, you'd expect the whole "AAHHH KORAA" barking-like-a-dog thing japanese people do when they're angry, but no, they just raise their voices a little. It all sounds really lifeless it's what I'm saying.
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>>139546973
I think you might be deaf. People basically talk screaming in some conversations.
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>>139546973
Parts 1+2 didn't have this problem
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>>139545528
Nope. Also I still don't think I'm over the fact that:
Polnareff came back for Part 5
Jotaro didn't protect him
He had no legs
Polnareff tried to help the gang in Part 5
The gang didn't protect him
He became a turtle.

Part 5 went kinda batshit toward the end with mixed results, but I can't forgive what they did to my nigga Jean-Pierre
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>>139547060
No they don't, but they should. Everyone just begins to talk really deep. Jesus, even osomatsu-san, a gag anime of sorts does the "intimidating guy" voice better than the anime about 6 foot tall delinquents punching people with ghosts.
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>>139547246
do you think he got it better in the post made in heaven universe?
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When does Part 4 start airing, or has it already?
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>>139549096
it started last friday, first episode being out for a while.
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>>139538929
>>139538686
samefag
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>>139549213
I can't find it anywhere. Care to link?
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>>139546973
Nah the VA work is great, those punks sounded just right.
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>>139541444
Yeah, those made them look like plastic action figures, or something.
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>>139549880
If you can't find it you're retarded

I guess streaming sites don't have it yet, do they?
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>>139541224
SO MUCH BETTER than the art style for the previous parts. They are finally getting it right.
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>>139550093
I had some animeonly friends who complained that the art style this season is a downgrade from last time.
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>>139549880
Lol no
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>>139546973
They're strong, manly men trying to outdo each other in manliness. Of course they aren't screaming like some sad fucks from some bokufaggot battle harem shitfest.
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>>139541394
No, they're really not. Unfortunately, Commie will drop it soon.
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>>139549880
dude is up in everything just look for it
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It seems like if you read the manga, you love the new art style and everything they're doing.

If you only watch anime, you dislike it.
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>>139550151
Then they have no taste. The outlines are an amazing improvement, but most of all its the new colour palettes.

The colouring has been arguably the worst thing about the anime, it got a bit better in SDC but now it finally looks like JoJo. The only thing that is slightly strange is the noses but I can live with that, Araki's noses are fucking weird anyway.
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>>139550375
Part 2 had some great coloring
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>>139542574
Then do yourself a favor and fuck off to Reddit, you might like it more over there.
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>>139538929

>The manga has no sounds

Is this nigger serious? 7/10
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>>139536870
The show looks awful now. The first 3 seasons looked manly but this looks like gay faggot shit now.
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>>139550421
Only on the scenes where the colours swapped, mainly it had this awful thing the first two parts REALLY suffered from, with everything being drab and desaturated.

DiU is the first part that is as garish and stylish looking as a JoJo anime should be.
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>>139550561
>Jojo
>Not gay faggot shit
You can bet Erina got cucked by Speedweed
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>>139550366
After rewatching what's out so far, I can safely say that Part 3's art style in the anime is pretty bad. Parts 1, 2, and 4 take the manga and use it as inspiration for their own art direction, but Part 3 tries too hard to look exactly like the manga. It just doesn't pop like the rest of the animated parts. Even the colour changes are somehow pretty flat. It could have benefitted from them doing their own thing with it.

That rigidity to the source material is probably what cost the most budget and turned Stardust Crusaders into Slideshow Crusaders..
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>>139541419
SHIZZAAAAAA
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was Morioh always colored as namek? I have only read the manga on black & white so idk if ASB was the first time they showed Morioh on color or they colored the manga first.
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>>139550834
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VR86Os4wo
Yeah, Morioh sky was yellow in ASB too
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>>139550722
>It just doesn't pop like the rest of the animated parts

I've said this a thousand times, but the problem with the anime art, Part 3 especially is how shitty and lifeless the line art is. There is no dynamism in the way characters are drawn, and you can tell they ended up using korean slave labour/interns for many, many frames that needed at least one keyframe from an actual keyframe artist, based exactly on the manga.

That's why it looks so awkward and flat all the time, and the source of 99% of the QUALITY. In Part 3 it was the worst because like you say they tried more detailed lines copying the manga, meaning even MORE korean slave labour art than normal.

The solution they've had with Part 4 looks the best so far, though we will really see tomorrow, as Episode 2s tend to be more QUALITY - they spend all the budget on 1 and 3.
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Shit censors
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>>139550834
There are no canon colours for ANYTHING in JoJo, but yeah, Araki likes to use pastels for the backgrounds, particularly it's associated with Part 4.
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We had a JoJo
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Why do the subs have to change the character names exactly? I understand changing them in the games, which are officialy licensed products, but why would fansubs bother?
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>>139551059
>There are no canon colours for ANYTHING in JoJo
I liked the part where when Giorno awakened his stand his hair went from purple to cyan.
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>>139551116
Because HorribleSubs are not a translation group, they just rip the OFFICIAL Crunchyroll subs and stick them right on the RAWs, with the idea of getting the fastest possible torrents up. That's the only reason anyone ever watches HS - they are the fastest speedsub group in history, but that's all they are for.
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>>139550969
I'm pretty glad that they're not blowing all their budget on the first few episodes like SC did. SC's first episode was closer to movie or OVA quality, but dropped considerably at the fourth episode. DiU's first episode seems pretty standard for a broadcasted anime.

Consistent decent quality is better than flip flopping between great and shit.
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>>139551130
You have literally no idea what you are talking about.
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>>139551222
Again, studios nowadays splurge ALL the budget on Episodes 1 and 3, because they know those are the two important cut off points
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>>139551116
Wait for the BD subs or download Aegis and change them yourself if it really bugs you. CR has to change them because jewlaws.
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>>139551272
Are you saying it's not canon that Dio and Giorno's hair is gold?
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>>139551116
>>139551349
Somestuffs has their translation out.
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>>139551396
He appears with Silver/White hair just as often, but yeah, DIO and Giorno being blondes might be the exception that proves the rule, due to it being a plot point and the "Golden Wind" thing I guess. Everything else in his outfit changes colour every time.
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>>139536870
Did they just cashout with Stardust Crusaders and get lazy?
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>>139551272
What is this pic? Don't tell me this is a later JoJo series because it looks too gay and unmanly.
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>>139551589
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>>139551335
The thing is, though, while nothing terribly interesting happens during Diamond is Unbreakable, it's probably the part that has people split the most on their favourite chapters, whereas it's pretty easy to see that a small handful of fights in Stardust Crusaders heavily outweigh the rest in popularity.

I hope David realizes this and spreads out the budget more evenly. I mean, episode three will be the introduction to the Nijimura Brothers, and despite introducing a main character, there's nothing amazing that happens that's worth spending tons of budget on. Like I said, that's pretty much how all the fights in Diamond is Unbreakable go. Except Highway Star. If they're going to blow budget on something, it had better be that.
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>>139551592
>Yfw the final battle has Josuke, Joshuu and Yasuho fighting as a team against the villain
>Yfw the villain's stand power is to alter the course of history, of fate as we know it.
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>>139536870
I really don't like how Josuke's hair is shaped in the anime shot of this picture.
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>>139541419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rsbBX0hPuc
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>>139551561
David really steals? No budget!
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>>139551670
And remember how much budget they spend on fucking Oingo Boingo brothers, or random Polnareff fights no-one remembered.

With great animation you can make anything memorable. The studios work to the 3 Episode rule, so there will be something special in the first Nijimura Brothers episode. That's The Hand, right? It could be great.
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>>139551272
why is Trish so sexual
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>>139551915
Trish is a complex metaphor for the girl that you were always too afraid to ask out.
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>>139551915
made for breeding
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>>139551915
A-Anon-kun...
that's lewd...
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>>139551850
Yeah, that was weird with Polnareff. The smoothest animation in all of Stardust Crusaders is when Ebony Devil runs around Polnareff and jumps onto his shoulders. Fucking why? Devoted was never a fight that screamed "THIS NEEDS 50% OF THIS COUR'S BUDGET" to me.
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>>139541394
>>139550264
Ether of them not change the names?
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>>139536870
at least we got this shot
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>>139552025
>Devoted
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>>139552158
He's scared there, though, now mad.
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>>139552158
>Not "000% Feel so well"
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Post King Crimson
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>>139552239
This, someone make the edit.
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>>139552193
just for you
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>>139552025
I have no idea, it was episode 8. Who drops a show at episode 8?

I wonder if we can work out where the BUDGET will all go this time.
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>>139552296
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>>139552296
>>139552418
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>>139552354
it will go to the Italian restaurant episode and RPS duel
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>>139552418
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>>139544425
The Pearl Jam fight? What the hell do you censor in that? There's no gore.
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>>139552454
>RPS Duel
That isn't a bad thing.
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>>139536870
kinda wish the outlines were a bit thicker, other than that it's fine
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>>139552516
>No gore.
>When Okuyasu's Intestines fucking explode out of his body.
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>>139536870

>still image
>animation
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>Part 9 is the last part
>It's the final battle
>Main antagonist's Stand allows him to assign an event to someone's thoughts, making them pure imagination
>As he dies, he frantically assigns this turn of events to someone, anyone
>Plot bullshit allows him to reach the peak of his power at this point due to sheer stress, and he manages to assign the SBRverse itself to someone
>It's Jonathan Joestar from the original universe, and the final scene shows him waking up on the day that Dio moves in

post yfw
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>>139551272

Why is Gio so fucking aesthetic?
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>>139538929
>The manga has no sounds
Sorry to hear that anon
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>>139552588
Not to mention the puppy after Totino gives it the pork chop
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>>139552679
I bet you thought that idea was super original didn't you anon?
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>>139552158
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>>139542033
It's like no one here has bothered to remember ASB...
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>>139552787
Not for even a second fampai
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>>139552685
Is he looking disgustedly at Araki's toaster toilet?
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>>139542033
>They
>Watch CR subs and complaining about quality
You aren't going to get the real version until the BDs are released anyway.
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>>139552526
neither is the restaurant chapter
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That was awfully cheap for a first episode
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>>139552845

The real question is why is Bruno trying to hate on the style? Giorno doesn't need zippers to show skin.

Also,

Post the posemasters of each part.

1. Dio
2. Joseph
3. Dio
4. Kira
5. Giorno
6. Pucci
7. Gyro
8. Gappy
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>>139542393
Take a look at this case of autism
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>>139552791
yours is undeniably better, but here's the suggested one
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>>139553275
>Telling redditors to fuck off is autism
You should fuck off too.
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>>139553337
>Telling people to fuck off
>Telling people to post only what you think should be posted
>Thinking that people actually give a fuck
Honestly who cares?
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>>139553610
I know right? We should all just post watermarked 9gag Kissanime jpeg images over and over again until that is all 4chan is. That will surely improve the quality of posting.
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>>139553835
>Implying a watermark THAT visible ruins an image
Fuck off with your autism
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It's panels like this that you really see Jousuke takes after his father,
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>>139553901
Do you not get what an image board is?
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>>139553954
Where's that edit that showed Josuke with Joseph's hair?
He looked stupidly handsome like that.
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anyone have the "best/favourite xx" or the taste template? or at least one with high resolution

wanna make one
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>>139554069
Because Josuke is naturally handsome.
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>>139554149
Top-tier hubsband material too
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>>139551997
I wish to park in that park.
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>>139553954
It's all in the lips
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>>139554069
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>>139554523
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Tfw Joseph flushed his genes down the toilet to satisfy his yellow fever.
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>>139553327
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>>139551815
ELLA FITZGERALD
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>>139546973
This image can also work with Kira. Isn't there a guy who does these things?
Doc or some shit right
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>>139554750
nice try doc
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>>139554801
I'm legit asking. Is there like an incantation to summon him or something
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>>139554712
SALMON-ELLA FITZGERALD
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Anyone have links to the sound webms Doc made?
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Jesus fuck, you mangafags are never happy are you? It's fine. Everything is fine.
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Which Jojo has the best Stand song/band?

I vote for Johnny :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InjF8xj93LU
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>>139554863
Post fresh memes for him take and upload to his Facebook and he will come.
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>>139552418
thats the schizoid man though, the crimson king is on the back cover
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>>139554651
>flushed his genes down the toilet
>Implying that tomoko is not better than Suzie
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>>139555292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpPgspVhmW0
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>>139555363
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>>139555306
that's the moonchild
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>>139541224
I'm a fan of the colors for star platinum
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>>139555306
But they said King Crimson, which isn't a single person.

>>139555469
Nah mang, that's the Crimson King
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>>139555450
It's not like Joseph is a woman and can only have so many children, as a white man he is doing gods work spreading his superior seed. Just look how based Josuke is.
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>>139555024
archive pomf.cat

Josuke getting punched: https://a.pomf.cat/uufvcc.webm
SP Timestop: https://a.pomf.cat/qfidcu.webm
Insane Ruby: https://a.pomf.cat/ulnobh.webm
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>>139543179
no
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>>139536870
DP was never good in animating things- their strength is all about loving things they do
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>>139551084
on /v/ there was a better JoJo
I don't have a screencap but it was Jon Johnson
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>>139555966
That's not as JoJo as >>139551084

Josephine Jordan best waifu
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>>139556014
>another femJoJo
this needs to stop
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>>139556072
wouldn't mind another one if she's as good as Jolyne
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>>139550834
the color palates of the morioh have always been my favorite
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>>139556072
There has only been one out of eight so far

Araki is amazing at husbandos and focuses mainly on that, but when he turns his hand to make a waifu there is none better.
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>>139543179
No
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>>139556147
and that's one too many.
Just want to remind you that because of her, literally everyone bar emporio got kiled and the universe got fucking reset
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>>139556239
Holy shit that looks bad
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what's the absolute worst Jojo fanart you've seen? Mine would have to be tumblrized Stone Ocean cast
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>>139543179
No.
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>>139556307
post pic?
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>>139556307
Either the best, or the worst depending on how you look at it.
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>>139556281
Probably because it's shitty fanart. But I agree early Part 4 art is a bit weird, which is odd because late Part 3 is the best in the series.
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>>139556307
>tumblrized Stone Ocean cast
How much more tumblr could you make them? There's three grills; one half-japanese, one who's presumably hispanic, and one who's trans-species. Then we have a crossdressing male, a child who is also presumably hispanic, a white guy from a black family, and a black antagonist, who is said white guy's brother. What the fuck?
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>>139556269
As someone relatively new to Jojo, wasn't it just Pucci that was removed from the universe, hence it only really being post part 6 that actually changes/resets with everyone getting to not die miserably?
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>>139555292
Josuke
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>>139556488
>a child who is also presumably hispanic,
what? he looks white as fuck
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>>139552685
part 5 had some of the best character designs
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>>139556399
Why'd you post a snippet of the manga?
Where's the fanart?
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>>139556567
best character designs sure, but the art style was Araki's Worst
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>>139556488
Hermes is always black for some reason
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>>139556269
Jotaro failed too. GER is the only one who could have beaten Pucci, and even then maybe not if Pucci's actions were from "reality".

And only those that Pucci killed got reset.
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>>139556635
Because she has braided hair
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>>139556513
If I remember everyone got killed THEN the unverse reset. Part 7 isn't the same universe as 6 post reset
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>>139554217
seconded
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>>139536870
can't wait till they get to Yukako's arc
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>>139556717
I didn't mean to type "post part 6", just that part 6 doesn't happen, but that part 1-5 still happened. I know SBR is in another separate universe.
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>>139553275
>>139553610
>>139553901
Lurk for 2 years before posting.
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