Why are Light Novels so shitty? Is there a reason behind this? Every story feels the same. Videogame world, incest, harems. Are there any good ones out there? And how is that the Anime adaptations sell so well?
>>139504150
Most LN authors are talentless hacks who can't draw manga or write "real" novels.
Colorful, fast, "deep". Normies will like anything that just spoon feeds them a story, while trying to say it has a deeper meaning. If it ever slows down they will drop it immediately. It has to explain what happened in the past episode instead of you trying to figure it out yourself. I.E. all the normies who say Neon Genesis Evangelion is a boring show.
fast food
Cause they're meant for kids.
Battle Academy harems and MMO settings are "in" right now.
To be fair, I'll take those over never-ending battle shounens being as popular as they were just a few years ago.
>>139504150
They're literally written by teenagers.
Good ones are rare.
I'd recommend Kino's Journey, Haruhi (if you're into that stuff), Monogatari, and Baccano.
>>139504150
Spice & Wolf is pretty good
Because it sells to the complete retards who make up 90% of the anime fanbase in the west and to the pathetic otakus in Japan.
See: Shit like KonoSuba is somehow popular despite being a pile of garbage.
>>139505853
>Monogatari
This is also a mediocre LN harem with incest (sisters) and pedophilia (snail). Some scenes are cliche. Kizumonogatari LN is very cliche. But it has very good fanservice
>>139504150
Light Novels are easy to make and are profitable pandering to retards
Its not that hard to understand
>>139504150
>Why are Light Novels so shitty?
First, we need to take a look at how one ends up writing a light novel in this modern age. I'll try and keep it brief.
Lets say we have Mr.Writer. Mr.Writer is an otaku or plans to pander to otakus for cash. So here's the deal, he has 3 routes.
1. Make an anime series.
2. Make a manga.
3. Make a light novel.
Option number one is fucking hard. First you need to learn how to draw, be fucking retarded enough to live on pennies animating bullshit inbetweens for something stupid like 40 yen a page until you finally move on to keyframes, becoming a director and then somehow getting enough money to produce your own show. (Which by the way is almost fucking impossible these days).
Option number two is slightly easier, all you need to do is learn to draw. It doesn't even have to be that well. Sure, you need to know anatomy, perspective and a whole bunch of other fundamentals but after a year or two of solid training you'll probably be good enough to draw a manga. Congrats, now you have to get serialized and have someone rip your name to shreds because you're first few ideas will probably suck dick. But hey, maybe you'll do well enough and have someone do step one for you!
cont.
>>139508650
Here's where option 3 comes in. Mr.Writer wants all of the benefits of option 1 and 2 but doesn't want the self sacrifice of years of hard work, what is Mr.Writer supposed to do? Well that's easy, all he needs to do is come up with a marketable enough idea. (Read: Not well done, just will sell.) Once he comes up with a decent enough idea he will go on pixiv and hire someone who can already draw to draw his made up chinese cartoons for him because decent artists on pixiv are a dime a dozen, and the artist is more than likely to oblige. He doesn't want to missout on getting picked for maybe the next Konosuba, Danmachi or Asterisk Wars.
So where does this leave us? With a metric fuck-ton of garbage that gets processed through a bunch of online competitions through various publishers. The people just begging to have their ideas published for an obscene cut of their own margin.
This is why LNs suck. they're not supposed to be good, just very marketable and again. Hey, maybe you'll get an anime without any of the self sacrifice. In the end, publishing a LN could only take you a months worth of time instead of years that other routes take.
What happened to SAO? Are they in a fencing game now? Is kirito dual wielding rapiers now?
>>139508650
>>139508736
Good point
Consider it's a very lucrative medium. Some of the best-selling adaptation animes have been LNs.
And when the standards are so low, why the fuck would you even need to try anything more than boilerplate?
>>139508736
So thats why usually LN art looks crappy as fuck...
>>139508800
>Is kirito dual wielding rapiers now?
That is far too thick to be a rapier, even by anime standards.
I just want Alicization not whatever this bullshit is.
>>139512539
>implying Alicization doesn't suck just as much.
>>139504150
There is a lot of good ones, just didn't sell well and rather unpopular.
Example of translated one is Rakuin no Monshou, chink translations have more I think.
>>139505726
Fuck you.
Never ending Shonen >>>>>LN's
>>139515534
It has wild ride points
>>139517008
More like bullshit points. And they're all negative.
>>139505726
>never-ending battle shounens
I thought those would be around forever, but it doesn't look like anything will be as big as the Big 3 again. Jump's been trying to shill new ones for ages but nothing's really caught on. My Hero Academia will probably do well but I don't see it getting Naruto big.
Why do people hate light novels when they don't read them?
You don't see threads complaining about how manga are shit because shit like Naruto or Fairy Tail exist.
>>139517205
Naruto and Fairy Tale don't make up 90% of anime.
>>139517072
DO you have the pasta by any chance?
>>139517205
Those "people" are probably the same 3-4 people who make threads like these cause the only thing they've read is garbage.
>>139517205
>Why do people hate light novels when they don't read them?
I read some, but the popular ones are all the same bullshit. Some of the most "obscure" ones are somewhat decent.
>>139508650
What about porn games
Oh god, SAO actually got another full season? Fucking how? Literally the only redeeming quality of the series was the setting of the first half of S1, which they didn't even use well.
>>139517711
I think it's a movie, not a series.
>>139504150
They are literally the young adult novels of japan
What did you fucking expect?
>>139517757
>They are literally the young adult novels of japan
Not exactly, Japan has novels targeted to young adults. LN are a different thing because they're specially targeted to the otaku. That's why they have anime tropes and the like.
>>139504150
Just gotta read the more fun ones, like all of the Kamachi works that aren't Index.
>>139504150
I'm sure it's just because you aren't reading anything except battle harems or something. Surely there are LNs out there that don't instantly make me want to gag when I read the first few pages because it feels like it was written by a pent up 12 year old. I just haven't found them yet. Right?
That said, I don't really read that much. Kamachi seems like a fun read though, I just need to make time to sit down and plow through a volume or two.
Why are they so fucking dry?
Is it the translations or are the japs just this boring when it comes to writing?
>>139518046
Both
Only LN I've read are the 4 Danmachi LNs that are out.
Don't go in expecting good writing and you won't be so disappointed. Just go along with the story and ignore the shitty writing and maybe you'll enjoy it.
It's no better than anime or manga, don't expect some well written story.
>>139504150
>Are there any good ones out there?
I was about to say Hyouka, but I think those are real books and not LNs, I'm not sure about it.
>>139504150
Purple haze feeback, Overheaven, Kino
Kawakami LNs are ridiculously indepth and well-thought out if you like really autistic authors.
>>139518046
Being literal with jap turns every main verb into 'is' and it's fucking unbearable.
This can all be said about cute girls doing cute things series, but with school/real life slice of life, yuri, and voyeur cast. It's hypocritical as hell to make all these complaints in the thread, when it can be applied to just about any genre/medium related to anime. Why are you even watching anime in general if you hate these things that are so deeply ingrained in anime and related mediums?
Why do normalfags come to /a/ from probably /v/ or some other normalfag nest and show that they have utter entry level taste and knowledge?
>>139504150
Any LNs from Iruma Hitoma are good. Better than NisiOisiN
LNs are the endgame of otaku writing
If you plan on enjoying anime/manga in the future you better get used to LN writing because soon it will be everywhere
>>139518854
I haven't read an SoL or CGDCT LN so I might be wrong but, wouldn't it be extremely boring if it was just text? The main point in reading or watching CGDCT is the cute girls obviously so not being able to see them sounds like a serious down side.
Stop your complaining and read some real good light novel that is much better than SAO.
>>139504150
A lot of LNs are shit, but that's the same as saying that a lot of mangos or animus are shit. A LN is a book type that panders to teens and has an average length of around half a normal novel. There are loads of good ones out there but the majority of the LNs that get translated/made into an anime are ultra generic because they are what sell the most.There are some weird cases, though. For example: GATE. The novel wasn't selling well so each book was split in half and given moe images. Suddenly it sold extremely well
In the end, don't blame the books, blame the Nips with shitty taste and a tonne of otaku yen.
Do you like reading ECONOMICS?
>>139520833
Also chapter 4 was recently out for manga. I love ECONOMICS.
>>139520833
>>139520909
What series?
>>139521519
Everyone is a semen demon aka Koushaku Reijou no Tashinami.
>>139521519
Or if you want me to be serious, a office lady that dies and reincarnates into an otome game villainess that already reached her bad end and is ready to do some ECONOMICS. Everyone in this novel is good looking.
>>139504150
Light novels are the YA fiction of Japan. They're intended to be consumed without much thought.
Watch From the New World. It's a show about a totalitarian society that kills its kids in order to survive.
>>139521954
>kills it's kids to survive
Why do people like the "death game" scenario?
>>139522148
> Shinsekai Yori
> death game
people are gonna be so triggered especially the reviewers if they see your post. And no, it is not that.
>>139522148
>>139522148
From the New World is not a "death game." It's more of a thriller that puts together an interesting explanation as to just why it's so fucked up.
As for why people like the "death game" scenario. It's because the heightened sense of risk is something that civilians in a stable society never experiences. Typically these narratives follow a character you project yourself onto (or can at least relate with) and these individuals go through harrowing trials to survive. Sounds fun, no?
>>139521954
>society that kills its kids in order to survive.
Sounds like the opposite of what anyone would try to do, but Im sure there is some hamfisted reason so they can sell the premise
>>139518046
Prose is dry mostly because translators don't seem to get that highly literal styles just don't work with descriptive text. You need to be playful with the script without losing content to keep readers interested.These things wouldn't sell if their prose in their native language was so hard to get through.
>>139522732
It's not hamfisted. The whole premise of the show is centered around figuring out the mechanics of the society. Long story short, it's a very Nazi-esque society where any aberrations are culled.
>>139523418
I guess it doesnt sound interesting to me.
>>139504150
>I dont like things who others likes bawwwww
>>139523458
Fair enough. It's a very "artsy" type of show that has limited appeal, but it is cut from a very different stock than a Sword Art Online.
>>139521954
SSY wasn't based on a light novel, but an actual novel.
>>139504150
They're meant for teenagers, you idiot. Of course they're trash.
>>139524013
The audience is mostly 25+ years old
>People willingly choose to read LNs instead of the wealth of good literature available
>>139524598
this tbqh
What kind of faggot do you have to be to read a child's novel and expect actual quality?
>>139524598
>Literature
>good
It's just as shit mate.
>>139524598
To be fair, LN enthusiasts are not readers in general. They've just found a narrative/character/world that really appeals to them and is not represented in other mediums.
>>139517205
it's probably the same autistic subhuman being an autistic subhuman
>>139524598
LNs are miles easier to read if in Japanese
>>139524704
If you think books born from real and genuine concerns and inquisitiveness of their authors are the same as putting anime tropes together to make a quick buck from tasteless manchildren you are truly lost
>>139524598
Manga is just as bad as LNs. Nips are awful at writing and can't compare to the superior western standard.
>>139524800
Some of them were decent, but you are ignoring the fact that western literature just redoes the same things as well, only to a different taste. 95% or more of "great literature" is just as shitty as the 95% of shitty LNs.
>>139524920
Im not ignoring that, of course there is lots of shit everywhere, but he did compare all of literature from all eras to LNs which are 100% a product and its a comparison that doesnt make any sense.
I don't understand people who read LNs unless it's an LN that continues an anime adaption they really liked.
LNs have all the stupid cliches and shit writing that plague the anime industry with none of the positives (music, voice acting, animation, art, etc.)
Literally why? Especially considering that unless you're Japanese, you're reading a poor translation of a poorly written story.
>>139524980
Well I'll also be honest and just say I've always been interested in fantasy and western novels just never scratched the itch. LotR was alright, and there's a few others I need to get around to but they're few and far between.
>>139525040
I picked up the other Kamachi novels after Index and found them to be a lot better, it helps that they're translated by one of the few good fan translators.
>>139525040
Not all of them are like that. You should probably read a few hidden gems that lie around. Like this.
>genre fiction novels
>young adult novels
>light novels
plebs, all of you
>>139524846
I agree, to be honest. I like a lot of Japanese media, but my real passion is literature, and Japan just can't even compete.
>>139525040
Those cliches and shit writing all apply doubly so to manga and anime though. It's all shit compared to proper film, art, and animation if you look at all of it with proper standards. The animation is almost always shit compared to Western animation, the music is low quality, the voice acting only seems good and not cringy as fuck because you aren't a native Japanese speaker, the art is almost always shit-detail, etc. Why are you even here if you have normalfag taste? Do you only come here for entry level shit?
>>139525227
>watching anime instead of high-class film
>reading manga instead of looking at art
>accepting any anime plots when there's fine literature instead
plebs, all of you
>>139525240
>Shit compared to western animation
Compare a show to a show, not to a movie.
>>139525227
I will read pretty much anything except for western romance novelsMills and Boon are far worse than any LN publisherand I find some LNs to be a fun read.
>>139525238
Some of them are rather interesting, one of the rather strange yet enticing light novels that I am reading is Shinigami wo tabeta shoujo where a girl becomes a shinigami as a result of devouring death in her starving moments.
>>139525285
>le irony mem
>>139525240
This.
If you like anime already it doesnt take much to get into LNs
Its a guilty pleasure type of thing, its shit but its unique shit that only Japan makes
>>139525311
Western animation, even shit-tier TV, has smoother animation and better in-between frames than anime thanks to the budgets.
>>139525364
True, but a lot of them end up looking worse.
>>139525353
Fuck off back to /r9k/, /v/, reddit, or whatever shithole you crawled out of. Your taste and memes betray you.
LNs don't have cute anime girls on screen all the time, it offers me nothing.
>>139525364
The animation may be smoother, but the artstyles tend to be much more simplified as well. Plus many of the more action oriented ones have a lot of jarring stills mid-action, though that also happens in a lot of anime.
>>139525406
Thats because you like anime art style better.
In before anime is so diverse, we are making generalizations here for the sake of the argument
>>139525499
Japan has become monstrously good at making limited animation look acceptable.
>>139525558
I think is more than people have gotten used to it.
when some anime manages to move somewhat nice people shit their pants in endless praise
Honestly the only one I've found that I've liked out of the whole "reincarnated into some other world" concept is that one about the programmer who becomes a giant magic robot pilot. He's not inherently OP, he's just good at programming and that happens to be a skill that's needed in this world. As far as I remember, he isn't even a good pilot either; he's just a good developer.
God I wish I could remember the name. I read up to what was translated then burnt out.
Pic very slightly but not really related.
It depends all on the writing and directing that LNs could be animated. In many cases, the directing can overshadow the terrible script of the LN but the ones with good writing are usually overlooked and taken less seriously like the Twelve kingdoms.
>>139525622
Well to be fair, television animation productions have not seen Looney Toons tier animation in decades.
>>139517205
>Why do people hate light novels when they don't read them?
Easy target.
Few will actually bother defending them, because no one really sees them as prime literature or anything. Just entertainment.
The same can be said about Manga, but like I said, easier target, here on a board that's about manga and anime specifically.
>>139517751
>Implying it's not getting another season.
A-1 has already announced they'll keep making anime adaptations for as long as Kawahara continues to write. At Sakura-Con, they also said they'd start on Season 3 once the movie is finished, so expect SAO 3 in 2018.
>>139518046
The LN/WN translation scene has been pretty bleak. Especially with how Web Novels can just be translated through google, and no one really bothers to do proper translations of the novels instead.
That said, they were never really quality writing to begin with, so I'm not sure how much we're missing out on.
>>139525792
Some of the translations are good, depends on the translator. But you can tell the difference if it is machine translated. You just need to keep looking.
>>139525240
>the music is low quality
Haha, no. Music in western films and shows is generally a lot worse than in Japanese stuff. I don't believe I've ever actually taken note of the music in anything western, simply because it's always so generic that I none of it catches my attention or remains in my memory.
>the voice acting only seems good and not cringy as fuck because you aren't a native Japanese speaker
Literal bullshit argument. It's not hard to tell apart bad voice acting from good even if you're not a native speaker.
>>139525364
>has smoother animation and better in-between frames than anime thanks to the budgets.
Yeah, but t's not particularly hard to make chicken scratch well-animated.
>>139507318
I'm surprised Monogatarifags aren't on your shit right now.
>>139525948
Other than the OPs and EDs I never care for music in anime, for me its non existent.
>>139525948
Sounds like you are just ignorant of western media, severely discount western animation, and don't know shit about the difference between anime voice acting and spoken Japanese. These unrealistic standards for LNs apply to everything. If you conveniently ignore anime or manga, you're either delusional or don't know shit about anime and manga.
>>139525999
I sometimes do, but rather than just anime, I'd say music for things meant for people who are for lack of a better term "nerds" tends to be far superior. Fantasy video games have a lot of the best orchestral tracks I've ever heard compared to movie soundtracks which almost all sound the same.
>>139526068
I also enjoy game music because they tend to be very melodic.
Movie soundtracks are always ambient music and not really enjoyable on their own
>>139526068
LN with ost by Susumu Hirasawa when?
>>139526248
I'd like one by Kumi Tanioka. Crystal Chronicles and her work in FFXI were great.
>>139508736
Not him but
if a full novel is something done by someone with at least decent writing skills, and put effort to it, each novel can be unique even if they follow the commons cliches and tropes of it genre.
meanwhile, Light Novels are the cheap mass produced version, they are basically fanfics, a serie gets popular, a bunch of otakus take the same setting and change
Othe name or the original characters, put some of their likes in there(fetish)remove a aspect they didn't like from the original work and fill it with a poorly done replacement.
of course, 1 LN from 1000 is actually good even if they use the "in" setting of the moment. Sometimes we get the luck of that 1 getting animated.
>>139526386
I want hungry Joan of arc to be animated.
>>139517881
but everybody hates heavy object.
>>139526461
Not really.
>>139504150
>And how is that the Anime adaptations sell so well?
What the fuck are you smoking?
>>139526386
That comparison may just as well be between anime and film/literature classics. If a full film is something done by people with at least decent cinematography, music scoring, writing, and direction skills, each film can be unique even if they follow the common cliches and tropes of its genre. Meanwhile, anime are the cheap mass-produced version. They are basically fanfics. A series gets popular, a bunch of otakus take the same setting, and change the name of the original characters while putting some of their likes into the anime while removing aspects of the original work that they didn't like. Then they release it as a poorly done replacement. Of course, 1 anime from 1000 is actually good even if they use the "in" setting of the moment. Sometimes they get the luck of that 1 getting good sales or a sequel.
>>139516840
Nah.
Story with proper closure >>>>> unlimited milking works
>>139505853
>Gatari
That series has to be, unironically speaking, the most overrated major franchise on this board at the moment.
>people complain about unoriginality and moe female casts
>go back to watching CGDCT SOL after posting
I don't get it.
>>139526585
Funny you say that because thats the biggest flaw I find to manga and LNs.
Their episodic nature. Most authors have no idea how the story is going to develop and just drag the plot around so much that when you read it all in one go it feels very disjointed and messy.
Unlike books that are published in one go, bam there it is all of it with its ending and everything
>>139526461
Nah, the threads were comfy as hell even with the sabotage by the announcement
>>139526698
>People actually talking about literature in LNs
You shouldn't take any of this seriously.
>>139526698
People complain about moe?
>>139526724
The same is true with most anime. Especially slice of life series. Anime that are wrapped up without leaving a bunch of loose ends for sequels are very rare.
>>139525238
>>139524846
Literalutre in general is garbage. If you're going to read, read something worthwhile not fucking fiction shit.
>>139526733
tell that to the nips, they wanted more index and got angry when they reveal Object.
>>139526837
They wouldn't have been so salty about it if they announced it in a more reasonable way. Thinking on it though, I wonder why they didn't animate Zashiki Warashi, it seemed like it would be easier to market.
>>139526733
Yes comfy.
>>139526837
The novels still have its decently sized fanbase that kept it going for 11 volumes and counting. I don't care as long as it keeps going.
>>139526864
How would you animate Zashiki Warashi though? It's basically Kamachi making Monogatari not shit. You'd have to go through all kinds of hells to animate it properly from volume 3 on.
>>139526698
You have something you hate that you don't get why there're people defend it, right?
Everyone else does, including those you don't get.
>>139526724
To be honest I have already sick for whole arc contained in one episode/volume because it make things predictable as fuck, which make me stick to manga instead.Thank you Korean Zombie for putting the final nail into the coffin.
>>139526550
More like any media today, the problem is that when creating and selling any work, no matter the medium, is more important than the quality, publishers and stuff drop anything that resemble a quality standart, and accept anything that will get enought people hooked, even if is just for a while and get money out it, and that anybody can become a author with just presenting the idea to someone willing to published doesn't help the case.
>>139508650
>>139508736
Basically this.
Minimum effort with a chance of getting maximum results.I, too, would delve into this faggotry without a second thought given the chance
>>139526724
I actually enjoy that a lot about LNs. It keeps things always serious in its volume and just put a few hints of a bigger plot there. If you need to go for a conclusion, you can finish it just fine in two or three volumes.
>>139526939
No idea, I'd love a decent full adaptation though if nothing else to get more fanart.
>>139526837
To be fair they were cockteasing with all the Index stuff.
>PR with Index characters gathering for the announcement
>Mami Kawada singing the OPs
>Touma and Misaka's VAs invited to speak
>NOPE HEAVY OBJECT
Many hearts were broken that day.
>>139527036
Considering how much anime anime and manga are being shit out these days in hope that maybe one series in a year makes a profit in BD sales, basically all 3 of those are minimal effort with a chance of getting maximum results when a Bakemonogatari or Evangelion happens. Granted, Bakemonogatari is a LN adaptation to begin with.
Phenomeno is sweet.
>>139527103
I'd take a low budget DEEN adaptation if it meant more Enbi art.
>>139527180
>tfw I thought this was Yuuko at first
>>139526883
wrong girl anon.
>>139527138
wow, that really happen? t-thas was just mean.
>>139504150
basically humans have shit taste, this is just easy statistics based on how many of us there are and how the average brain works. many brains will click with pandering childish cliches such as "cool guy who is a humble winner and player defeats everyone and gets all the girls" this is a fantasy shared by average brains, so naturally many people in the audience will cling and love it
another cliche for the average brain is "cool guy who has obvious flaws does not let them hold him back and even though he doesn't beat everyone up or get all the girls, his willpower alone will allow him to push beyond his limits and become the fantasy he was never meant to become" this fits in with TTGL, Naruto etc. this is the better of the two main cliches as it is less selfish and more realistic in nature. the fan acknowledges humans are flawed and wants to cling to the beautiful belief that all of us are capable of fighting past those flaws, and at the end we will be greater than what our flaws had us once believe. still flawed, but never letting them hold you back.
so basically if you enjoy cliche #1 you have the mindset of a middle school loser kid and if you enjoy cliche #2 you're relatively normal, anyone can enjoy #2 but it takes a special kind of selfish child to enjoy #1
>>139527180
>translations never
>>139504150
Sounds like you need some Kawakami in your life.
Go read Owari no Chronicle.
>>139527725
Why is it so easy to tell that you're from /v/?
>>139527725
On the right is rather a little inaccurate. Some of them are rather enjoyable like this. It is killing off a faggot's harem one by one.
>>139527775
Did something hit a nerve?
>>139504150
I only read them for world building anyways. I just look for interesting concepts I haven't seen elsewhere yet. I think the only one I read for anything else was Spice and Wolf, the rest was liking a concept and seeing where the author would go with it, quality of writing barely applies.
As such, most of the "classic, good literature" people always recommend ends up boring me to tears.
>>139527886
Yes, I hate seeing /v/ memes and rage comics on /a/.
Otaku and teenshave low standards
>shitty manga gets popular
Why is this manga so shit?
>shitty ln gets popular
Why are all light novels so shit?
>>139527982
Why are you watching anime if you have high standards?
>>139528015
The people saying "why is this manga so shit?" Have actually read other manga, and have manga they like. Or don't want to get mobbed by people with opposing views.
On the other hand, no one actually reads Light Novels, except for a niche group, so small that even here on /a/ you need an LN thread to get any discussion going, except for super hyped up novels with anime adaptations.
>>139528253
You aren't everyone. Stop projecting onto everything.
>Some of Schera's Cavalry in this thread
My niggas
>>139528715
Yes. I hope yuusha aruiwa will be translated. The prequel.
>>139526386
>they are basically fanfics
fanfics without an original
>>139527802
>Read everything in one go
I never though reading about someone killing faggot harem members would be this fun
Where can I find the LN illustrations? I want to see how Leivwhatever looks
>>139531035
Guy with big armor I think. I know that you can identify the loyal bro that is a canine.
>reading LNs
I'll stick to Dragonlance books for my shameful easy reading. Atleast those are written in english. Fan-translated LNs are a fucking abomination to read, either it's google translate or someone who just does a literal 1:1 and it becomes a non-sensical mess.
>>139531530
>Fan-translated LNs are a fucking abomination to read, either it's google translate or someone who just does a literal 1:1 and it becomes a non-sensical mess.
http://www.sousetsuka.com/p/blog-page_11.html
http://37.139.19.225/fanfic-gifting/
http://raisingthedead.ninja/current-j-z/slave-harem/
https://87percenttranslation.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/return-of-the-former-hero-1/
Shitty LNs and WNs don't always have to have crappy translations.
Also, any Dragonlance recs? I've been meaning to get into itread a few older books years ago but I can't remember which ones
>>139531138
10/10 would fight for
Charlotte looks as annoying as I imagined, and fuck Kurumi
>>139532474
Are those links meant to be examples for your argument or for his?
>>139527725
What do people see in Kawakami's works? Pointlessly thick LNs with lots of infodump that nobody cares
>>139505726
But magic battle harems are practically never-ending batle shounen, just with an otaku target demographic instead of kids. They use a lot of the same cliches, and are heavily arc dependent as in there is no overarching story line but multiple smaller ones that start after the last one ended.
>>139504150
Because most of them pander to the lowest common denominator.
They're pretty much the Japanese equivalent of YA literature.
>>139532571
for the argument that they aren't all google TL, literal TL or nonsensical mess.
>>139532474
Sorry, can't give any recs. I just got a stack of 10 of them at a garage sale for a couple bucks and I enjoy reading a short story out of them every now and then.
Arent LNs /jp/?
Ive never been sure.
>>139532787
I'm afraid these aren't very good examples, then
>>139532795
They sould be /lit/, I guess. But they're in a gray area since they're much more suited for other boards.
>>139532795
/jp/ and /h/ moved to /a/
>>139532808
how so? They're translated fairly well.
>>139508650
>Sure, you need to know anatomy, perspective and a whole bunch of other fundamentals
Bullshit. If all the QUALITY threads have taught me anything, you just need an excess of DRAMA and no real drawing skills to make a Shoujo manga.
>>139532908
Girls care about character relationships first and foremost after all so that is no surprise
>>139532795
Mods say so, but I've never seen an LN thread on /jp/ past 30 posts.
To be more accurate, of the like 60 times I've checked, I've seen one dead LN thread.
Plenty of Touhou and Visual Novels, though. Paradise for that shit.
>>139532895
They're terrible actually
>>139525981
>Implying anyone gets off reading the toothbrush scene.
>>139532895
In a previous thread, someone was actually pointing out how the Slave Harem translator couldn't translate a basic line about a horse.
And that series is utter shit to begin with and isn't worth reading even if it is translated well.
>>139533078
What series is good then
>>139533112
For a starter, Sevens.
>>139532656
If you had actually read them you'd know that most of the thickness of the novels come from character interactions and glorious banter.
Also, the guy is great at making fun settings, which is a key part in separating boring infodumps from interesting infodumps.
>>139533489
Not him, but my biggest turn off for the Kawakami series is that literally everyone wears body suits. I mean, just a few characters I'd be into it, but damn.
I just want some variety and maybe stupid looking futuristic clothing.
Otherwise his stuff is great.
If you compare an average book, lets say, color of magic to all LNs how would it fare?
>>139533630
I haven't read color of magic, but average book > LN if you care about how things are written.
>>139504670
Why did you contradict yourself in your example?
Normies say that shit show has deep meaning when its just one autistic nips tantrum over having his wife devorce him thus causing him to literally make the plot retarded. Its basically just bland crap all the way through.
>>139527637
He never said he dropped it. He's just doing Zaregoto incredibly slowly first.
>>139533630
Not as good as KonoSuba / 10.
>>139532656
>What do people see in Kawakami's works?
We see effort.
The madman went through the effort of making sure everything in his novels works for an in-universe reason. He built a fucking world for his stories, he has notes and drawings of everything, ships, houses, places, people, etc. He made 3D models of stuff, houses, ships, everything. Everything happens for a reason, you just have to pay attention, or think a little.
When they made an anime adaptation of his novels, he went to the meetings with notes and everything. When someone asked something, he brings out a folder with the relevant information. The official encyclopedia of the anime is over 700 fucking pages with all the drawings and everything they did for the anime, that's almost as much pages as a single volume of the novels.
All that work, and he still fucking manages to hand in his books on time to the publisher.
>>139533931
Ok so he is an autist
Doesnt really mean anything
>>139504150
I think that's because they are "light" - an easy read for someone who enjoys fast action, colourful anime illustrations, waifus and "taboo" softcore fetishes like basic brother-sister incest with nothing lewd happening. It's something a high school student or a salary man can read while on a train to school or work. They are not meant to be deep or thought-provoking - pure entertainment, with rare exceptions. This is also the reason anime adaptations sell so well - they are tailor-made for the lowest common denominator of the otaku, with battles, titties and work-safe fetishes.
As for the good ones, try Overlord - it's a pretty decent take on "stuck in a videogame" premise that is actuallt entertaining, and the MC is a mighty skeleton.
>>139534068
>What do people see in Kawakami's works?
>they see autism
It means everything.
>>139534123
You can relate huh
His stories are still awful drivel
>>139534169
>still awful drivel
>still
>as if being autism would somehow prevent that, rather than perfectly explaining it
>>139533574
I can see why that would be a problem.
At least in OnC they only have bodysuits when fighting and not when negotiating.
>>139505883
SEASON 3 NEVER EVER
>>139533931
>We see effort.
And yet it's still terrible schlock. Not even good schlock, terrible schlock.
Effort? Thought? One work is a world where a coin moving at Mach 2 is treated as some impressive fucking maneuver that destroys everything around it. Bullets move faster than that. Another work has a future world with functioning eugenics, and yet the commanding officer is seen as hot shit because her bloodline shits out a statistically higher number of boys. Choosing for sex is something we can do RIGHT NOW. And let's not forget seat belts that can strangle a pilot to death and the beta-est of betas who can't even fucking undo it because he might maybe accidentally slightly brush a boob. Why is a seat belt capable of doing that? Why does the seat need to be moved so far to the outside of the Object to be serviced? How does that make any sense? Where's the thought there? Where's the "effort" to not make you world's look stupid as fuck to basic common sense? Does it only count when you're drawing unrealistic giant balls on treads?
It's fine that people like this shit. It's fine that people love it. We all like shitty stuff. It's not fine that people treat these things as grandfucking enterprises in sophisticated thought. It's self insert "I'm so cool, everyone's all over my dick, I'm really just a normal guy who can stand up to people with super powers, I'm the one who teaches everyone else how to live correctly, I'm so smart because I'm the only one who understands Sun Tzu's The Art of War 101 and everyone else is written like drooling retards" rote, wish fulfilling bullshit just like the uncountable other works of schlock out there.
>>139534527
>Kawakami = Kamachi
Embarrassing.
>>139524846
Kawabata, Ishiguro, Murakami. Japanese lit has it's gems. These authors are pretty famous and their works are great even if you start to read them with western standards, especially Ishiguro.
>>139527911
this.
>>139534527
Kawakami is Horizon, not Index. Index is actually good. Horizon is drivel.
>>139504150
Made by otaku for otaku. It's like reading an anime when you could be watching an anime which makes no sense.
Plus I'm sure shitty translations are a part of it. It's hard to get into the japanese writing style when it's not actually japanese.
can a foreigner submit a light novel idea to japanese publishers? does kyoani accept foreigners for their light novel thing?
>>139535389
>can a foreigner submit a light novel idea to japanese publishers? does kyoani accept foreigners for their light novel thing?A boy falls in love with a girl
Jokes aside, what makes you think they will accept a foreigner LN idea when they already have thousands of chunnis applying for a chance to become a LN author?
>Can't write as fluently as a native
>Can't communicate well with the editor
>Not familiar with nip preferences
>It's difficult to have a groundbreaking idea when you have to compete with millions of chunni applicants to become a LN author
>>139535389
Only if you make being a foreigner your selling point somehow.
Good luck coming up with a gaijin story that otakujaps would care about though
>>139504150
I used to think exactly the same, then I read pic related.
Sometimes if you dig through a pile of shit, you'll find a diamond.
>>139535822
pic not related*
You're just not reading the right LNs.
I can't blame you too much if you're English-bound though. Still, you shouldn't be making sweeping statements from a position of ignorance.
>>139535845
>i'm an underage idiot
k then
>>139504462
No, they're middle schoolers who win awards and get their recasted fanfiction they call stories published.
Because literature doesn't have shonen power ups, edgy MCs, and hot women.
Basically, literature is shit because it is designed to appeal to normalfags concerned with reality and not the limits of fantasy.
>>139535911
Of course I don't deny that most LNs are bad. I can tell quite easily by just walking into a bookstore and seeing what lines the shelves. But if you search, you can easily find something worth reading.
>>139535956
>>139535911
>Im a shit eater
k then
>ctrl+f
>Maria-sama ga miteru
>0 results
I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight.
>>139535974
Eh? Is this supposed to be a joke?
LNs should be illegal.
>>139535974
>Basically, literature is shit because it is designed to appeal to normalfags concerned with reality and not the limits of fantasy.
>literature
>reality
Choose one.
>>139535974
Literature is all about fancy words
>>139536020
Are you sure you wanted to quote me (>>139535911)?
>>139536030
I'm still keeping hope in this age of reboots and sequels that we'll get the rest of the novels adapted someday.
>>139536073
What is it about? I bet's it's about "deep" shit like the human condition rather than anything actually fun or entertaining.
>>139524800
Not that guy but... BOOKS ARE SHIT.
Never has a book made me laugh.
Never has a book made me sad.
Never has a book made me aroused.
Never has a book even made me anxious about the fate of a character, or even so much as care about him.
And I've read a bunch of "world literature". I guess some folks are simply different in that matter. But they don't do anything for me.
>I bet's it's about "deep" shit like the human condition
Fuck. Please don't ever read anything, go watch akame ga kill! for the 11th time.
>>139536151
Wow, a newfag like you should really fuck off and lurk more.
>>139536413
Maybe you just don't like reading Anon? I got a book coming in sometime soon that is pretty much the only series and author I like. That said, I don't read that much either so I don't know much about other literature.
>>139536301
>>139536421
He's right though. Kafka is Murakami at his pseudo-intellectual worst. It's as bad as any light novel.
>>139536195
So much this.
I want to see them properly animate Touko becoming Yumi's imouto.
I want to see Yumi as a third year.
I want to hear Mamiko Noto play a high schooler again.
>>139536477
Embarassinng then.
>>139536421
>He thinks pondering over Man is any better than the worst of LN cliche shlock
It's LITERALLY humans trying to justify their own existence to themselves. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
>>139536541
kek, don't exaggerate. It wasn't like the The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle but it was still good. The riddles in was really enjoyable.
>>139536612
glad at least you read a review about it before posting.
Index was a surprisingly good read. I picked it up from where the anime left off, then went back and read the anime volumes.
All the random bullshit and good parts came together and it ended up being a wild entertaining ride. I understand why people are foaming at the mouths for a third season, the difference in source material between the first and second halves is so surreal.
>>139536666
>glad at least you read a review about it before posting.
But I didn't.
"Literature" is THAT predictable.
That's why I asked what it was about, dumbass.
>>139536666
Come on m8. The story was boring, the characters flat and the "magical-realism" was cliched as fuck. Murakami can only write one book about an old Japanese man who loves Jazz and has sex with hot women a lot younger than him or the young man who's going to become that man who has sex with hot women a lot older than him.
>>139536413
I think you have the problem here anon
Shit otaku writing has contaminated you
Lets just agree that enjoying fiction is childish and a waste of time but we do it anyways
>>139536413
If you like reading multiple pages describing MC's shit color, if you want to pretend to be an intellectual or if you like to look up in the dictionary words that you will never hear IRL, read books.
If you only care about the plot, don't read books
>>139536195
>IT IS JUST A PHASE SIS
>>139536813
>enjoying fiction is childish and a waste of time but we do it anyways
of course, this is /a/
>Lets just agree
where's the fun in that?
>>139524598
But western books can't have anime adaptation, and the only shittiest one got movies or live series.
>>139506176
One of the better answers
>>139511399
Usually the artwork is the only area where any talent and effort can be found but it's also primarily just bishoujo art so little room for experimentation
>>139537497
ASOIAF anime never
>>139535911
>Romeo
What's next? Maeda's LN?
All You Need is Kill and Fate/Zero were both Light Novels i think
>>139504150
>>139508650
>>139508736
>>139524598
But I am reading everything. Most of the shit I read isn't even fiction. Still like LNs and VNs.
>>139504150
Because LN authors try to make their titles and plots as ridiculous as possible.
>>139527307
The threads then were memorable, and not in a good way.
Rokka no Yuusha is entertaining enough, the fan-translation is very good as well
I still don't understand why the nips hate it so much
>>139527138
They wanted to increase HO LN sales, but I have to admit that was a pretty dick move
Don Quixote is LN tier
>>139536813
The whole point of life is to enjoy ourselves anwyay.
First chapter of DAL 14.
https://m.fuwa.se/ijlpgs.txt/DAL14c1.txt
I'm actually having fun reading the new one from Kamachi, even though I dislike the majority of his works.The Orc shouldn't have grown up and became such a ridiculous existence, though.
Chapter 2 will decide if I will drop it or not.
