Discuss One Piece here
I hope Luffy actually fights Big Mom. I know he said he wouldn't but still...
>>139471636
Seem unlikely they'll have a complete death battle, there's the possible vivre card, Sanji being a fantastic chef, and perhaps oddities with the fishmen pirates still being in her crew or some such.
I can't read or watch any story anymore involving revolt or oppression without thinking about Dragon.
>>139471529
YEAR OF BROOK
E
A
R
O
F
BEST SKELLY
R
O
O
K
SAPU FAGS EPIC BTFO
>>139471529
Let's start this
>Jack
How did the idea that the elephant might fight back never occur to them?
Or hell, just making a sudden turn and walking into them would probably be enough to sink most ships.
>>139471945
i believe jack would have done the same thing even if he knew the elephant would fight back
>>139471945
It's very simple. Jack is a complete imbecille.
What does Kalifa's toe taste like?
>>139471999
Correction, most people in One Piece are complete imbeciles.Honestly the pure retardation is part of the appeal for me. also nice trips.
>>139472015
soap i guess
what should it taste like?
>>139472015
soap
>>139471945
The elephant hasn't done anything for 1000 years. It's not so weird to think that he doesn't have a consciousness anymore.
>>139472015
soap dumbass
>>139472035
I agree, but Jack is also a jobber.
Pic related will be how the Void Century flashback will be revealed through Luffy hearing the voice of all things. They'll find the final poneglpyh or perhaps even One Piece itself will just project all this information into Luffy's mind similar to what is happening to Momo.
Shanks was searching for someone else with the Will of D. as they are guaranteed to know the voice of all things. Whitebeard knew that Blackbeard would interpret the information and history incorrectly and won't inherit the the proper Will of the D.s like they intended.
>>139471945
Elephant didn't object to anything he did before, so maybe he thought it was mindless and insensible to the world around it. Granted he never attacked the elephant itself, but still.
>>139472057
wow anon that's deep
the void century image is non existent
>>139472070
I'm actually glad he jobbed. I was legit afraid there was going to be a long drawn out Zou arc with him as the primary villain. Now that we're getting actual plot progression, and the fact that Zou is being used as a short transitionary arc (much like Punk Hazard SHOULD have been) I'm pretty comfy with the current pace of things.
>>139472105
if the elephant actually died it would be way more devastating than a trunk attack so its still very stupid
>>139472097
You shouldn't have posted the image, just like >>139472106 said that shit was deep
>>139472097
I'm so curious as to what happened. I get that the D. Kingdom likely rebelled against the budding WG but why? What was the catalyst? How long had it been building? Man oh man.
>>139472125
Agreed, I hope Jack is gone for good, not every single opponent has to be defeated by a strawhat
>>139472159
Rayleigh hinted that its down to interpretation. The D's might not be as good hearted as we think. In my opinion it's the Will of Davy Jones which means they had a pirate leader.
>>139472159
>>139472198
I think the D created or were involved in the creation of the three weapons and the WG felt so threatened that they exterminated them and suppressed their allies like the Shandorans before the weapons could be used.
>mfw patiently waiting for Bonney to join
I'm kinda worried about sogeking guys. We've seen pretty much everyone else since the timeskip. You guys think we'll see him again soon? Oda isn't stupid enough to kill him off-camera, but still...
>>139472367
The WG didn't exist at the time, it was formed right after the void century.
>implying Oda won't pull a JRPG on us and make the D population and the nations that would become the WG somewhat related to some godlike being
explain this
>>139472484
Are you stupid, Spee D. Reader? It's pretty directly stated that the WG in its primitive form caused whatever it is that the void century is hiding.
>>139472565
>he WG in its primitive form
are you able to read? The WG was formed after the void cntury, whatever it was before, it sure wasn't the WG. It may have been a population, or more, or whatever, but it wasn't the world government.
>>139472555
Nobody is quite sure how trips work anon, another one of mootwho's mysteries.
>>139472480
No, his whole character development in Dressrosa was being true to himself and not lying. He loudly stated he was Usopp the sniper of the Strawhat pirates rather than claiming to be something else like he always does.
Rayleighs quote on haki can possibly provide more context:
>"Haki" is a power that lies dormant in all the world's creatures... "Presence", "fighting spirit" and "intimidation"... It is not different from the things that humans can naturally sense such as these... 'The act of not doubting'. That is strength!
The act of not doubting = strength. Using Sogekings mask is a form of doubt for Usopp and because he didn't use it, there was little doubt which increased his chances of developing his haki.
Sogeking is dead, get over it.
>>139472555
i cant
>>139472605
>this thing that became the world government wasn't the world government because it didn't have the title
Ok anon. Let me roll your wheelchair over to the reading table so you can go through the manga again, more slowly this time.
>>139471529
I dropped this garbage a long time ago.
Are they finally going after One Piece yet?
Aw hell yeah, another one of these, complete with spooky Brook, Tanuki Tanuki Chopper, and lewd Carrot.
>>139472644
yes, exactly. it isn't difficult. what now rules the world, once did not. I said nothing more than this.
>>139472660
Fuck off.
>>139472673
That form is still so fucking retarded.
>>139472681
And what now rules the world exists because of what it('s predecessor) did in the void century. Saying the WG didn't exist is just a technicality.
>>139472686
Get cancer and die Nurutard.
>>139472673
dat carrot showing her bare bunny pussy
>>139472713
>And what now rules the world exists because of what it('s predecessor) did
yes.
I just pointed out that it once didn't. which only means that we don't know the reasons for its creation. simple as that.
>>139472727
Ebic :D
>>139471529
Mfw jack turns into a mammoth the size of zou and fucks the elephant up.
>>139473022
>implying he isn't BTFO for good
>>139473077
I love that Oda uses three panels just to really drive the point home that Jack realizes that he seriously done fucked up
>>139473077
Yeah jack got drowned the fuck out
>>139473077
>Stage 1: Shock
>Stage 2: Realization
>Stage 3: Acceptance
>>139473326
I'm expecting him to have survived and he shows back up only to get shit stomped by Kaidou for failing him so much.
>>139472555
>>139472611
>idiots on /a/ don't know how it works
Not surprised. Or is this the latest meme?
That image is dumb, because without the other pair, you have no idea which direction those black lines go in. They could be there. But there are plenty of intersecting lines you could draw from only two dots that meet up in plenty of places since there's no other information to constrain your choice.
Even with three, there are plenty of intersections, because this isn't normal triangulation. You only need three locations to triangulate if you're observing something from a single point, like a transmission, but that's not what's happening here either. The phoneglyph locations are the information, and that the lines are drawn between the points, is all you know. You need at least four points because only with four points is it possible to have the lines between them converge on a single point and ONLY that one point.
I'm really glad Oda BTFO the kids that wanted Luffy or Zoro vs. Jack (great, another dumb physical powerhouse battle) and made the plot move forward. Now Zou is a transitional arc well done.
What are your guys' thoughts on the Doflamingo saga now that it's been over for a while?
I just marathoned it for the first time in a reread and despite the insane amount of padding in the middle sections of Punk Hazard and Dressrosa I thought it was pretty fun. The Law alliance has been a riot and the Strawhat Grand Fleet is a great addition to the series.
It's length was still a bit exhausting but it didn't feel nearly as bad as it felt serially.
>>139473459
I like it. My biggest problem is length but if you spee d read it its pretty good.
>>139473461
Extra floaty wood?
>>139473492
It did drag a lot, mostly with the Doflamingo replicas and the G4 countdown. Also, the birdcage was fucking stupid.
However Dresrosa was pretty good in general.
>>139473477
It lierally gets posted every thread anon. Because people make serious responses to it
>>139473477
>>139472611
>>139472607
>people still reply to this bait
>>139473492
More law is good law
>>139473477
>getting baited as hard as jack got BTFO
>>139473534
The bird cage wouldn't have bothered me if Doflamingo wasn't able to do it so casually with seemingly no repercussions and if it wasn't fucking indestructible for even a marine admiral.
It became really hard to swallow, especially when he was also repairing his organs, using parasite on half the population and fighting Luffy with awakening powers at the same time.
Fuck big mom nobody cares about her. People care about THE MOTHERFUCKING KAIDO! So, who do you guys think will be there at confrontation in Wano? Obviously the shogun and kaido himself will be but who else?Will zoro fight the shogun? How will luffy defeat kadio? Will big mom play a role in the downfall of kaido? Are luffy and law going to tag team kaido like they did to Doffy? Also will Neo the cat get to Marco just as he's getting killed by Weevil?
>>139473492
Pros :
- Coliseum battles
- Doflamingo
- New SH Grand Fleet
- ????
Cons :
- The whole royal family
- Law & his shit backstory
- Executives were all total fodder, absolute dumb jobber tier
- Terrible pacing, dragged out forever, too many flashbacks
- Fight against Doflamingo was underwhelming because of its terrible rhythm
- No arc should be that long, period.
Overall it's wasted potential : the arc.
What is he gonna do about it, /a/ ?
Does LuffLuff has time to go rescue sanji ?
> inb4 we rescue sanji, rest of the crew BTFO
>>139473692
I can't ignore trips Socrates
>>139471636
He said he would, go re-read Fishman Island's ending.
>>139473789
>The bird cage wouldn't have bothered me if Doflamingo wasn't able to do it so casually
this, it means that he can just do it whenever he wants, it's too fucking powerful of a power.
>>139473692
it lacks the sparrow sized monet and year of brook posting
>>139473846
rest of the crew+minks+samurais are going to find Marco, he will just be in Wano crucifying and chilling
>>139473838
>The whole royal family
I totally agree on Riku and Rebecca but I enjoyed Kyros' character, especially in the first half of the arc when he played a larger role as Mr. Soldier.
>>139473905
"They btfo Jack. Let's not do anything about it. Wait for them to get the whole Sh crew, fucking Marco the fucking Phoenix and minks and shit on top of that."
Great idea. No I mean why wouldn't Kaidou just intercept them all and fuck them up.
>>139474017
Kaidou isn't even aware that anyone is on the island beyond half dead Minks.
He'll probably send Apoo or someone out for a search.
>>139473838
>jobbers
They did neutralize a fair amount of coliseum contenders, tho
I dunno what you guys expect, it wouldnt make sense if Luffy KOed Doffy, the arc villain, while the executives steamroll, or even give a harsh tied-up fight against Zoro Kyros or Law.
Then you'd be complaining about the pacing and rythm.
Its a fight shonen ffs
>>139473789
Yeah, cut out the birdcage and it would have been great though. Beating admirals should'nt be possible for Doffy.
>>139473809
THE MONTHERFUCKING *The KAIDO
>>139474074
>Beating admirals should'nt be possible for Doffy.
Well, good then, cause he didnt
>>139474064
Sounds like a stupid idea but why not.
I don't think he will let this all alliance form up tho. He shouldn't.
>>139473838
>negative
>law
Kill you'reself
>>139472015
bath soap
>>139474176
Please explain to me why do you like Law. I just don't get how someone can.
>>139474200
His interactions with the Strawhats are great
He's a character desperately trying to be cool and edgy with a crew that refuses to let him do that and turns him to the butt of every joke.
>>139472673
This is terrifying
>>139474064
*The Kaido
>>139474103
The admirals couldn't stop the birdcage. He could literally kill the admirals with it.
>>139474448
anon pls
>>139474269
This
>>139474544
>put them in the birdcage
>haki it up
>ded
so Momonosuke is Uranus right?
>Pluton
giant battleship
>Poseidon
giant seakings
>Uranus
giant elephant
>>139474597
So anon is retardus right
>retardus
giant anon
>>139474617
whats wrong with this idea?
we know that living things can be ancient weapons.
and Momonosuke could really wreck shit with this huge elephant.
>>139474017
because they do it all in secret. Kaido doesn't know shit at the moment. Hell not even Jack knew the SH were involved.
>>139471529
Where the heck is this chapter's cover story?
Is there any chance of any other supernova forming an alliance with Luffy?
Kid seems absolutely Caothic evil
The others seems to be under Kaidou because they ahd no options, might follow Luffy if it means being free
>>139474837
Drake and Bonney probably will.
>>139474707
But the huge elephant can't be controlled too well, which makes it a bad weapon.
>>139474837
I can see Drake joining Luffy and Law to get revenge from Kaido and Apoo.
>>139474837
Drake has to happen because riding on the back of a t-rex is a man's romance
>>139474902
Definitely Bonney and her sexy pizzatits
>>139474837
im still sad kidd got rekt by kaido i thought he was luffy tier
>>139475024
Luffy would get rekt by Kaido too.
>>139475024
He maybe is, and just lacks Conqueror's Haki
>>139475002
>yfw Raizo and General Franky riding on the back of T-rex Drake
>yfw Ninja-Robo-Dinosaur suuuuperrr Pirate docking
>>139475044
>>>>>>>>
MUH NAKAMA GEAR 6 etc
Friendly reminder that enel will be the last straw hat member.
>>139475098
>Ninja-Robo-Dinosaur Pirate Docking
>>139474902
Bonney's a definite. She's shown interest in them, Blackbeard is her target, she has some greater plot influence given that she's important to the WG, has some connection with Whitebeard and isn't doing anything else right now. I'd be shocked if she didn't join the Luffy gang.
Drake I can see helping them out but I'm not sure if he'll become a full fledged ally. He's still pretty mysterious.
So which characters can we expect to see at the wedding?
My list is the following:
-Bonnie, likely one of Big Mom's daughters.
-Crocodile due to his underground mafia theme similar to Capone.
-Moria as he has a grudge against Kaido and needs to meet Luffy before they head to Wano so he can gain the motivation to head towards Kaido and fight him.
-Jinbe as he still has ties to Big Mom
-Lucci going undercover potentially
-Likely a lot of the characters from the underworld broker broadcasts shown in Punk Hazard
-Possible other Yonko crew members to negotiate territories or trade deals
>>139475333
>but I'm not sure if he'll become a full fledged ally
He will because of his past and connection to Law once it's revealed.
>>139475044
>>139475024
Just think about the possibility of every member of the Worst Generation fighting Kaidou and collectively beat him
>>139475444
Pretty sure Apoo and Capone have already set themselves up to be minions so they're out.
What's Urouge even doing?
>>139475444
technically Blackbeard is also labelled as one of the worst generation
>>139475521
There's a chance they had no options other than fighting him and dying when he fell from the sky on them
There's also a chance Luffy will wreck them since they were going after Shank
>>139475191
More like last villain
>>139474597
If he can only command Zunisha it's not really on the same level as Poseidon, that's supposedly able to 'destroy the world' or some such.
>>139475333
How the fuck did bonney escape akainu/sakazuki
>>139475348
Monet
>mfw Jack stabbed his sword into Zunisha's trunk right before impact and is now hanging onto it, climbing up to fuck shit up.
>mfw Jack's hybrid form is three-sword-style with a blade in each hand and one controlled by his trunk.
>>139475708
fucked her way out of prison
>>139475537
He's a yonko too now though
>>139475771
Titmonster or loli?
>>139475790
[spoile]both[/spoiler]
>>139474597
Uranus is a creature in the egg on Roger's ship.
>>139475790
Whatever best distracted whoever she was currently fucking.
>>139474573
he has to be inside the cage too you dipshit
>inb4 b8
I guess Jack got jackhammered.
>>139475847
Not even the kind of pun you're supposed to make baka. Work harder next time.
Jack's a dumbo.
>>139474448
>>139474103
Plotcage shouldn't be considered in any serious discussions. Easily one of the dumbest and least logical things that's ever been written in the story.
>>139475861
dont even care
>tfw Nami will never fall in love with you
>tfw Nami will never tell you she loves you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh6nOH5sUts
why did the mammoths go extinct /a/?
>>139475002
>>139472015
there will be enough porn of her
>>139472015
there will never be enough porn of her
>>139472015
there might be enough porn of her
>>139472015
Who cares if there's porn of her
Everyone remember to do your best to appreciate Penguin today!
>>139472015
porn of her? I've had enough
>>139476303
who?
>>139476373
Penguin!
>>139472015
there willnotbe enough porn of her
>>139476424
oh the guy who jobbed to jack the jobbers fodders?
>>139476541
Yes, him!
brook should never have been written into the manga. holy fuck what a waste of space. even nami has endless contempt for him
>>139471945
It did not occur to Jack like it did not occur to him that he might lose against Tsuru, Fujitora and Sengoku. He is a overconfident hothead which was made very, very clear.
>>139476654
Year of Brook nigga get hype
>>139476654
>>139475837
Like it fucking matters he can patch himself back up
>>139476097
>>139476144
You tried
>>139475921
Explain
>>139476424
*appreciates*
>>139475847
BLOWN
>>139476853
>giant attack capable of killing anyone who tries to escape
>large enough to capture massive areas
>very few if any people can potentially escape it unless Doffy is taken down
>seemingly no strain on Doffy and no limit to its usage
>>139474448
>The admirals couldn't stop the birdcage.
It is not that Fujitora could not, it is that he did not want to. Do you even read?
>>139476988
Whole crowds of people couldn't stop it anon.
>>139471529
best finished arc: war or CP9/water 7?
>>139476967
You just explained how it works. Where is the the problem now exactly?
>seemingly no strain on Doffy and no limit to its usage
yes? usage of df powers does not strain the user, it was never shown that it affects your power or stamina. Same goes for time limits.
>>139477023
Which is not surprising if you consider the sheer scale of it and the forces that were at work when it started to constrict.
So how was Jack compared to Dofla? I can't imagine the latter jobbing so hard against one attack of a giant elephant.
>>139477260
I highly doubt even Doffy would have been able to dodge the gigantic trunk of an elephant who was completely passive a second ago and suddenly attacks.
>>139477026
yes
>>139477088
>>139476967
The only user whose stamina affects his powers is Law, iirc. Which makes sense because he has the weirdest fruit ever. He doesn't produce anything naturally, he isn't turned into anything naturally, he can't be anything naturally, etc. He literally has to manipulate everything. I can see why that would require stamina.
>>139471529
Far cry primal
>>139477260
They were sitting ducks on a fucking ship. Unless Doffy teleports on to a fucking cloud, he'd get shat on.
>>139477400
I think Oda just came up with this restriction for Law to have an excuse for him not just teleporting the whole crew inside of Doffys castle for example. Because in the end the whole stamina thing did not prevent Law from using his powers right until the end of the whole battle.
>>139477260
Doffy wouldn't be stupid enough to piss off a sentient island while in the middle if the sea in the first place
>>139477026
Little Garden, Alabasta, Jaya/Skypiea, Water 7/Enies Lobby, and Impel Down/Marinefold are ALL acceptable choices
>>139477125
Yes so admirals can't stop it
>>139477696
I am sure Fujitora could have stopped it with his gravity powers if he wanted to.
>>139477400
>>139477125
The point is that the birdcage is just a hackneyed plot device, its essentially unstoppable and just adds a time limit to a battle that doesn't really need it
>>139477722
Only by taking down Doffy though. Even if his gravity could take it down he'd mince everyone inside while doing it
>>139477555
Well, yea, all puns aside, it has a restriction because it's OP. But I think it makes sense in the canon verse too, because of the nature of Law's fruit. If that makes sense.
>>139476447
What does that pic mean?
>>139477734
But the ticking bomb thing has been happening since East Blue. The Birdcage didn't invent the idea. It's pretty much a staple for One Piece.
>>139477767
What if he lifted the rocks where the strings went down? I doubt the cage was a sphere.
>>139477664
>There is someone roaming this earth who thinks Little Garden is the best arc in One Piece
Incredible sights are in this world and I want to bear witness
>>139477734
And there is nothing wrong with that. Using powers as plot devices is a trope that has been around since forever.
>Jack
>>139477834
But the birdcage is the stupidest one. Can you imagine if Croc whipped up a giant sandstorm that instantly murdered everyone it touched that slowly closed in on the city like it was no fucking problem? Maybe Rob Lucci summons an army of giant leopards that vaporize everyone who comes near that slowly walk towards enies lobby? If Doffy is this strong he should be able to tear countries in half no problem and be a god.
Where are they now?
>>139477905
>giants fighting an endless battle of honor
>dinosaurs
>Mr. 3's trap and Mr.2's introduction
Little Garden was dope and I won't believe otherwise
>>139478010
Different characters, different strength levels, different powers.
>>139478010
>If Doffy is this strong he should be able to tear countries in half no problem and be a god.
This, except if using birdcage actually takes years of preparation/building up power.
But no such thing was established, which makes it awful. At this point, we could conclude that he can indeed just raze countries to the ground like that.
>>139478010
Nigga, he did tear countties in half no problem. You're basically ignoring his character and thinking about his power. Which is bullshit. Same with Crocodile and Lucci. And in case you didn't fucking notice, there was a bomb that would wipe out the place in Arabasta and a fucking Buster Call in Enies Lobby. Sure, they weren't directly under the control of Crocodile or Lucci but that's just irrelevant.
>>139478048
>>giants fighting an endless battle of honor
We'd better get a fucking Elbaf arc soon.
>>139478156
And? Jack was known for destroying whole countries, Bobbin also destroyed whole countries. Kaidou should be able to as well.
I really fucking want Sengoku to die, but the fact that nobody dies in this is worrying me. Why can't the fucking Navy just get sunk?
>>139478156
We're in the fucking New World. Where the strongest of the strogest gathers. No shit Doffy could raze countries. Why wouldn't he be able to? Why do you assume Doffy has to be weak? Next you're gojng to complain when Jack ends up being alive or Kaido/Big Mom ends up being strong as all fuck. Nigga, get the fuck outta here.
>>139478296
Out of every goddamn Marine, why Sengoku? Why do you want Garp's best bro to die? Why do you want Garp to be sad? Why do you want Luffy's family to be sad which in turn will make Luffy sad? Why do you hate Luffy, anon?
>>139478156
Exactly. Why the fuck isn't Doffy tearing the WG a new asshole? He could decimate their HQ in seconds.
>>139472565
Where is that directly stated?
>>139478165
There was one bomb and the buster call was a one time thing. Doffy could literally decimate an island every day if he felt inclined
>>139478359
>liking a mentally ill rubber boy
>calling him best boy
Please got back to shittytail faggot
>>139478422
And? I don't see the problem here. Yes, he could destroy islands single-handedly. So what? You think he's fucking weak or something?
>>139478187
Soon brother. Usopp has denounced Sogeking. His time is coming.
>>139478296
Sengoku isn't a dickass though. Sakazuki is the asshole, Sengoku is a chill guy who quit when things stopped falling into his moral code.
>>139478386
>make Birdcage inside of Marine HQ
>every admiral + Sakazuki gangs up on you and fucks your shit up
great plan
>>139474074
>beating admirals shouldn't be possible for Doflamingo
Why not? He's the fifth most influential pirate in the world and clearly on the same level as Mihawk and Hancock, both who could fight an admiral if they had to.
>>139478428
>hating the main character
?
>>139478467
I'm not saying he's weak I'm saying why isn't he making a gorrillian birdcages and dominating the entire fucking planet. The birdcage makes his pretty much unstoppable.
>>139478386
Yea, they'll just rebuld it in peace over Doffy's charred, pierced, crushed, possibly seperated body.
>>139478231
>>139478323
Well, of course some landlubbers aren't gonna do shit about any of these guys. But what stops Doffy from cloudsurfing to Mariejois, put up a cage, and cloudsurf to safety? Good weather? Doesn't want to?
I guess if Oda said "don't worry, strong motherfuckers could easily break the bird cage" I would be happy.Apparently Fujitora didn't do that because of reasons.
>>139478487
Make it above marine hq :^)
>>139478535
>luffy can beat a guy who can beat admirals
>>luffy can beat admirals
Nah
>>139478546
>cloudsurf to safety
He has to be inside the cage as well because creating one requires him to be in the center of it.
>>139478536
>get knocked out or killed, birdcage ends
>unstoppable
Also, Luffy was strong enough to break Doflamingo's string, so other characters can too. Just because Fujitora couldn't doesn't mean Akainu or Kizaru couldn't.
>>139478536
Except it doesn't because as strong as Doffy is, there are way mpre stronger people that will shut him down permanently. If Doffy kept fucking up Islands, the Admirals will swoop in and tear him a new one. If Doffy fucked with a Yonkou's island then he might as well just jump in the sea and call it a day. Again, I think you're ignoring his character. Doffy wants to stick it to the WG and all but he sure as fuck doesn't want to die.
>>139478573
>Luffy can beat an admiral
How is that not obvious at this point in the story? Luffy fucking flashed back to Kizaru when he accepted Rayleigh's training.
>>139478589
Luffy managed to break the invisible strings Doffy uses to control other people. The birdcage strings are thick and on a completely different level.
>>139478589
>Fujitora couldn't
He did not even try because of his plan.
>>139478546
Maybe you should reread the chapters where he used the Birdcage instead of making up bullshit.
>>139478642
No. King Kong Gun managed to break the Divine String's used in Doflamingo's stated strongest attack, as well as the defensive web that he created to block king kong gun.
>>139478579
Cloudsurf right at the top of the cage where nobody can reach.
>>139478589
Anyone who wants to knock him out has to be on the inside of the cage, and even then it took Luffy an army and 3 form changes to pull it off.
>>139478589
>Fujitora couldn't
You mean he 'didn't'. There's a huge difference.
>>139478670
He was directly shown trying to slow the contraction of the birdcage. He was also directly shown launching a meteor at it. The bird cage contracting had no bearing or influence on whether his plan to get rid of the shichibukai will work.
You're delusional.
>>139478628
>luffy
>even coming close to taking down Aokiji or Akainu
>>139478712
>Anyone who wants to knock him out has to be on the inside of the cage
This is not true. Fujitora's meteor did not destroy the birdcage but it did enter it.
>>139478756
Aokiji I can see. It depends on the fruit that the opponent has. Their title doesn't really mean much.
>>139478756
We're at the end of the story and Kuzan is Blackbeard's subordinate so I sure hope you're wrong.
Next you'll be attempting to claim that Kuzan is stronger than Blackbeard too.
>>139478579
See, I don't see why that would be the case. But it's not like devil fruit powers are thoroughly explained.
That is what happened in the chapter where he created it: he was in the center and shot string in the air that spread around the island.
I have no real reason to believe he couldn't shoot them down from the sky.
>>139478738
Fact is: Fujitora never tried to destroy the Birdcage while using his full power. He had no intention of destroying the cage at any point.
>>139478386
There are admirals there.
Besides, WG was actually useful to him.
>>139478843
>the end
>4 islands minimum
>8 years according to the editor
Blackbeard could fuck Luffy without breaking a sweat right now. Luffy is approaching being able to take Kuzan, but he's still not there.
>>139478899
Prepare to never know.
>>139478958
You get the point though. The birdcage is easily a yonko tier ability.
>>139478843
>Kuzan is Blackbeard's subordinate
He won't be anyone's underling. BB should ask Sanji that.
>>139479092
>Prepare to never know.
I am fine with that.
>>139478953
You're backtracking. The longevity of the birdcage had no bearing on Fujitora's plan, and he was shown trying to stop it's contraction as well as throwing a meteor at it.
His meteor was shown to be weaker than King Kong Gun, since Doflamingo could block the former and since the meteors couldn't break his string.
>>139479046
>all of this delusion
Luffy is approaching being able to take Kaido, Shanks, Big Mom, and Blackbeard. Doflamingo was when Luffy reached the level where he could reasonably fight someone like Kuzan or Fujitora, and in fact he was shown fighting Fujitora without being overwhelmed in any way and directly stated that he would and could fight admirals now.
Why are faggots arguing who Luffy can take on?
He can take all the yonkos at the same time and win. Why? Simple because he is the main character. There's no need for explanation. You faggots are Retards for saying "hurr hurr he is not ready hurr" okay? Who are you to say that? You're not Oda faggot. Of do you retards don't know who the main character is?
>>139479137
Kuzan has been an underling since his introduction to the story.
>>139478843
Kuzan is gonna swap sides again though.
>>139479195
>approaching being able to take down the final boss of the series who has two of the most powerful devil fruits.
Fuck off Zehahafag
I've just started watching the anime should i skip the shitty warship island filler arc?
>>139479274
What makes you believe this? If so, that's a death flag for Kuzan.
>>139479195
>and he was shown trying to stop it's contraction as well as throwing a meteor at it.
He joined Zoro to push the cage because of his honor as a marine admiral, he just did not want to stand around doing nothing at all. And you seem to forgot that meteors are not the only thing he can use. His strongest attack is Graviton Mouko.
>>139479210
>>139479311
>stories don't have endings
It's true that Yoh couldn't defeat Hao in combat, the story sure did conclude anyway though. It's also true that Blackbeard is likely the strongest of the yonko. So maybe it's only right to say he's approaching being able to defeat the other three.
>>139479379
>Didn't want to stand around not doing anything at all
But that's what he did by just pushing on the bird cage. None of his gravity ability was shown to have any influence over any of Doflamingo's string, as well.
Trying to claim that he didn't help because of his plan to get rid of the shichibukai, when he's shown helping, and when stopping the birdcage wouldn't cancel his plan at all, is folly.
Luffy was about as strong as Fujitora (didn't take damage, didn't get overwhelmed) in his base form (shown on panel because they did fight), but it took Gear 4 and King Kong Gun for him not to get absolutely wrecked by Doflamingo.
>>139479338
>anime
>not reading the manga
Skip all the filler but G8
>>139479343
>lets a little girl escape a buster call
>lets luffy live because he owes him and his grandpa
>fights another admiral because he's a ruthless asshole
>actually joining the most ruthless pirate asshole on the planet
>>139477026
Baroque Works if we're talking whole sagas
Thriller Bark, Jaya, Drum and Sabaody are all great contenders for individual arcs
I'll never get what people see in Marineford. It wasn't a bad arc but the Impel Down stuff before it was brilliant.
>>139479651
It was not about not helping them, it was about not getting any credit for stopping Doflamingo.
>>139479475
That's definitely more believable.
>>139479660
>Let's a little girl escape a buster call
In exchange for non resistance from Saul, who he killed for violating orders.
>Let's Luffy live beause he owes him and his grandpa
He wasn't ordered to kill Luffy at that point. He did not try to let Luffy live at Marineford when he froze the ocean so that Jinbei landed on ice when he tried to rescue Luffy from Akainu.
Aokiji froze the ice as Jinbe was in mid air about to land in water.
>Fights another admiral
Because he was ordered to.
>actually joining the most ruthless pirate asshole on the planet
You're looking at Blackbeard as a transcendent reader. Kuzan may not see him the same way as the reader does. Perhaps he sees him as a man who can legitimately change the world.
>>139479651
>Trying to claim that he didn't help because of his plan to get rid of the shichibukai, when he's shown helping, and when stopping the birdcage wouldn't cancel his plan at all, is folly.
it does though.
He didn't want any credit for defeating doflamingo.
He didn't try to use his gravity on the birdcage.
And that the meteor would get sliced up is not surprising since doffy managed to slice it up on green bit as well, and it's not like fujitora meant to destroy the birdcage with the meteor.
>>139479681
I fucking love Jaya. The last part of Skypiea with Luffy's shadow and the bell over Jaya makes me tear up a little every time.
>>139479787
>Kuzan may not see him the same way as the reader does
Kuzan is perceptive and was there to see Blackbeards actions at the war.
He's joining to get close to them and keep an eye on their actions from the inside.
>>139477260
How hard would dog and cat beat Doffy ?
>>139479748
Then since he was actively pushing on the bird cage helping slow its contraction, that was already negated, so he should have stopped it with gravity.
He just couldn't. If he could stop the bird cage from contracting with his gravity ability, he could do it in secret, sitting on a log, like when he held Law down, as well.
You're not making sense. Everything we saw indicates that while it's true he was holding back from fighting Doflamingo directly, it's also true that he couldn't break Doflamingo's string, or otherwise influence it, at all. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.
>>139479787
>>Fights another admiral
>Because he was ordered to.
no
>>139479651
>Luffy was about as strong as Fujitora (didn't take damage, didn't get overwhelmed) in his base form (shown on panel because they did fight), but it took Gear 4 and King Kong Gun for him not to get absolutely wrecked by Doflamingo.
Now you are thinking in power levels, which is stupid. I highly doubt pic related would not have damaged the birdcage significantly.
>>139471636
yeah because Luffy is the master of saving one guy without making any trouble than leave. If Big Mom is strong eough to stop g4 Luffy like nothing then some people could convice hime to leave her be if he saved Sanji by that time, leaving Sanji's father as the boss of the arc, but i doubt this will happen.
>>139479681
>I'll never get what people see in Marineford
They saw bigshots going at it. This is the arc where things like "Marco vs. Kizaru, how would that fight look like?" become reality. I have argued with people about BB cs. Kizaru before, who knows whether that will ever happen though.
Wonder what Whitebeard can do if he fights seriously? Marineford.
Of course that's not something that automatically makes an arc good, but I guess people probalby already find it exciting because of this.
>>139479880
>Then since he was actively pushing on the bird cage helping slow its contraction, that was already negated
No it wasn't. Even dressrosa citizens were pushing the birdcage. Or are you trying to tell me the newspapers would have mentioned every single person who helped pushing?
>>139479861
Kuzan was every bit as brutal as Blackbeard in the war and the Marines themselves were more brutal.
Kuzan also witnessed how Akainu and Sengoku had Whitebeard stabbed in the back.
The way he froze the ocean immediaely as Luffy was about to escape, to ensure Luffy's death at Marineford, also suggests that you have a misperception about Kuzan (who helped commit genocide under orders) as well.
I hope he's not just a spy because Blackbeard will root him out and kill him if he is.
one piece is gay
>>139480105
>The way he froze the ocean immediaely as Luffy was about to escape, to ensure Luffy's death at Marineford, also suggests that you have a misperception about Kuzan (who helped commit genocide under orders) as well.
Except Kuzan matured and grew as a person after Ohara.
The main driving factor for him leaving the marines was because he didn't trust or agree with Sakazuki's form of justice at all. It's why he put his life on the line dueling with him over the position of fleet admiral.
Kuzan isn't a benevolent angel who'd never hurt anybody but you really think he'd switch sides to a guy as publicly scum as Blackbeard? When he's been portrayed as the kinder end of the marines who hangs with Smoker and Garp?
>>139479475
Just because he can't take BB and the Yonko now doesn't mean he'll never be able to.
>>139479787
He directly told Robin that all the Absolute Justice was tiresome while he let her go. He knows to follow orders, he's not renegade Smoker letting all his pirate buddies go free, but he's not Sakazuki murdering civilians left and right either. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Kuzan is up to something.
>>139480321
>Maybe I'm wrong but I think Kuzan is up to something.
Burgess' reservations about him and his interactions with Smoker on Punk Hazard were basically confirmation that he has his own goals and is using Blackbeard.
>>139480105
Maybe over the years, he got disillusioned with the Marines, and left them because they go against his ideals.
And so instead of being an underling of someone who may go against his ideals, too, he now pursues his own justice independently, and exploits BB as a means to an end?
I can't see him being BB's underling forever.
My memory is a bit hazy, but has he been established as part of the crew? Is he working "together with BB" or "for him"?
