Lain
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So I just finished Lain for the first time.
What the hell happened? Is it 2deep4me?
Lain destroyed her own existence in this reality to repair the damage and restore the lives that were destroyed by the false god.
I have read some interesting parallels drawn with the Christian entity Jesus.
>>139393710
you don't seem to understand
>>139394320
>>139393710
A shame you seemed an honest man.
The entire Lain franchise is intentionally confusing, and even when you understand all the pieces of the story there's still lots left open to interpretation, and then there's no single correct explanation for who/what Lain was and what happens to/around her. There are three main schools of thought though:
1. Lain was the personification of telecommunications technologies, particularly the proto-Internet "Wired."
2. Lain was a spiritual entity given expression through the means of technology.
3. Lain was a delusional figure whose irrationality had uncanny similarities to features of the modern technological world.
I'm definitely in camp No.1. I don't like the idea of just being spiritual energy or some autist's imagination.
>>139394253
This post exactly
Lain is transhumanist sci fi version of Christ.
>>139394253
I thought she was IPv6
Buddha and guru meditation and shit
>>139395165
Yeah maybe that's what I want to discuss first thing. What was Lain? What was the real world? Who was that "god" guy?
I mean I'm still digesting, so if what I type is retarded, please be gentle.
So was the real world just a physical form of the Wired? Well I guess not, I mean humans had to have existed and made the Wired to begin with, right?... But after it was made, it seems it's possible to do that: make (program) something in the Wired, then make real in the real world, as we observe through Lain rewriting memories, and that "god" dude manifesting in reality after he already went into the Wired.
Wouldn't that theory they talked about of "if you're a god in the Wired, you ARE God" pretty much be true if you think about it considering you can translate changes to the Wired into real life? Lain can alter reality, travel through time, manifest her physical being years later and interact with her old friend after she's gotten married. At what point do you call her a god, because I think that's pretty damn close.
>>139393710
She sacrificed her physical self to take the place of the false god and restore balance to the wired/reality universe.
What I dont understand is the ending.
Like the ending ending last few secondsAfter the bridge scene it cuts to a monitor and we see lain and she says "Im here so ill be with you forever"
Like. Im missing the point of this last line.
>>139395759
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw6UBKuaMyFC9QsLUFlbRFpa6GXs-FvZd
This guy does a very good rundown of Lain and the basic messages and story plots behind each episode going as far as to look into the commentaries of the writers and directors as well. Each episode in the playlist talks about 2 episodes of lain.
There's still a LOT of other background stuff to understand but he gets the job done in at least understanding the anime itself.
I want to stick it 2deep inside Lain.
>>139396037
Lain is not for sexual.
>>139395591
>Lain
>Christ
I don't think Lain has one single correct interpretation but I'm certain this one is wrong. There's almost nothing Christ-like about Lain: her actions aren't redemptive, she doesn't represent a moralistic or monotheistic message, and she barely qualifies as a messianic figure even though the anime does include a Lain-cult (that doesn't even last for very long).
>>139395759
Who Lain is, is one of the biggest debates around the series.
The named character "god/kami-sama" in the anime was Masami Eiri, a researcher who was trying to take over the wired for himself (when Lain resets the universe in ep13 she makes it so that Eiri doesn't jump in front of a train in hopes of sending his soul to the wired).
To your last point, yeah, Lain is godlike at the end of the anime - the confusing thing is that she's not self-aware of her divinity until that point.
>>139396037
We're supposed to love Lain, not lust after her anon.
>>139396129
Nah. Last lain thread was the 28th. Check the archive
>>139396129
we've been having this conversation over and over and over again since 1998
>>139396129
No complaining. Post lain.
She has a sweet guitar theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-cwuTmqz8c
>>139395770
I just interpreted that as a message to the viewer. To kind of make it seem like it could be real, in a sort of The Matrix type of deal.
>>139395958
Thanks, I'll watch them now.
>>139396088
I wasn't sure about Eiri. Was he a real dude that tried to become a god, or was he like Lain? That's what I wasn't quite sure on.
>>139396129
I hadn't seen the show so I could only chime in on some things and hide spoiler posts, and it was made on Monday, faggot.
>>139266583
>>139393710
It's not too deep, it's too abstract.
Finish it 3 more times to unlock secret level.
>>139396267
>page 10
no.
>>139398631
OP here, just got done watching those analysis youtube videos. I didn't catch like half that shit. So Lain was merely rusing everyone, including the viewer, basically the whole time?
stay out of page 10, dumbo
>>139400599
that pic reeks of STALKER
>>139393710
A god dies when no one alive remembers it.
>>139396267
I forgot how awesome her theme was
Let's all love Lain.
>>139394253
>the Christian entity Jesus
LAIN DESERVES TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE!
>>139395958
>linking digibro
Fuck off.
>>139393710
Ask specific questions if you want specific answers.
>>139396279
Eiri is a guy who uploaded his consciousness with his memories in the Wired. His goal was a complete merge of the world and the Wired so he can rule as a deity over all mankind.
>>139395165
Point 3. is unreasonable if the statement implies that essentially it's all in Lain's head, considering the narrative also happened from her sister's point of view.
Regarding 2, there is an explanation in the anime about how Lain was born. I don't remember well but it had to do with some common "frequency" that mankind shared with the earth. Now that could be an explanation proving 2. wrong because it's essentially claiming that Lain was born through scientific/engineering means. It is the most reasonable point in the bunch.
1. Lain had emotions and was implied to exist only in people's memories. Technologies are not of that nature.
>This thread is half dead at 30 posts
>People are forgetting about lain
Guys she'll stop existing if we do that.
>>139401559
What's wrong with the digibro analysis of lain?
Let's all love lain!
>>139401642
>Linking Digibro
>Ever
Fuck of shill.
>>139401583
she lives on in my lain folder
>>139401715
You should drop that folder for me fampai.
>>139401706
Im asking the question seriously. Whats wrong with his analysis? Or what the fuck did he do to /a/ that got him hated?
>>139401839
>What did he do
>/a/
>Implying we need reasons
Hatred of irrelevant people on the internet is how I get by anon.
>>139401894
Ah, ok so there's no reason.
Because If there was something critically wrong about his analysis id like to know. It helped me understand lain a bit better.
>>139401787
most it is from ABe's drawings / fauux's website (thanks fauux :x)
Cute
>>139401957
fauux has odd taste in music in art but somehow his website is perfect for a lain like atmosphere.
>>139401957
Rip fauux. Yeah, I used to have all of them but they got corrupted fairly recently. Take this though, made it myself.
>>139402130
Lewd
>>139398824
Late response, but no, Lain wasn't actively deceiving anyone, she didn't really understand what was going on until late in the series herself.
>>139401559
To your last comments:
1. Lain's sister's experience isn't necessarily important - remember that lots of people had their experiences/memories altered by the phenomenon occurring around Lain. But more importantly, Konaka and co. clearly had schizophrenia in mind when they developed the franchise (hence naming Lain after a somewhat famous psychologist), it's explicit in the PSX game, and not much of a leap to read some of that into the anime.
2. The birth argument doesn't necessarily invalidate a spiritual analysis of Lain. Consider how real world religions survive despite vagueness about where their creator god(s) came from ("In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."). Likewise, what caused the big bang? /rhetorical.
3. Technology can theoretically have emotions (or at least appear to) - ever hear of the Turing Test? In any case, it should not be surprising that an embodied spirit of the Wired would have emotions, considering how human emotions are so critical to the functioning of the Wired.
Again, I'm not arguing that any one of these approaches (tech, spirit, psychology) is the one true answer - just arguing that they're ALL valid.
>>139402013
Fauux still posts on his twitter some lain stuff last post early march.
>>139402227
Oh shit. I thought he got in a car wreck a year ago.
![[Coalgirls]_Serial_Experiments_Lain_12_(1008x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[AA4F578E].mkv_snapshot_16.01_[2016.03.31_21.03.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CuUfWDh.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Serial_Experiments_Lain_12_(1008x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[AA4F578E].mkv_snapshot_16.01_[2016.03.31_21.03.59].jpg")
What did she mean by this?
speaking of fauux. Anybody know how to login to the wired sound website?
im new to this shit.and lurking more hasn't helped
>>139402216
>ever hear of the Turing Test?
RIP Tay.
One minute you're a pure innocent AI, the next you're a redpilled entity a mere 24 hours later thanks to objective information being flooded into you.
>>139402334
>Arisu
This still makes me mad, almost 20 years later and those subs still aren't fixed and still likely confusing people. Should be Alice - as in the girl who went through the looking glass.
>>139402130
And then they had lots of hot lesbian sex after this.
>>139402566
much like your post, the dub's right in this case
>>139395165
>Lain
>Laing
what did he M E A N by this
>Lain
>Rain
>Reign
AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND
>>139402907
A SHAME YOU SEEMED AN HONEST MAN
*chillest guitar riff in the fuckin world*
>>139402960
Lain has amazing guitar sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vIqMvN31Ys
>>139402413
the "access denied" triggers if you fail this test (for the password) so come up with a string that passes it
not sure if there's some other behavior other than a redirect though
>>139402837
So were ayy lmaos actually a thing, or did Lain just make them reality or what?
>>139403893
Lain was reading about Roswell at the time and her thoughts kinda leaked out or somethin
>>139402334
I think that the relationship between Lain and Alice is ultimately the most important aspect of the show. Lain and Alice initially begin their relationship by bonding over their mutual interest in the Wired. However, Lain eventually becomes too interested in the Wired, which causes her to become more isolated from Alice. The Wired interferes with their relationship again when Evil Lain spreads rumors about Alice sleeping with her teacher; Lain tries to patch this up by manipulating everyone else's memory. Alice's memories are left intact, which suggests that Lain has somehow left Alice alone in her plan to merge the Wired and the real world, combined with fact that Alice can't hear Masami Eiri in the final episode, and Lain's comments about not "connecting" to Alice. Alice eventually convinces Lain not to merge the real world and the Wired. This takes place when Alice shows Lain her heartbeat. What Alice conveys to Lain is not only the sensual values of having a physical body, but also the need for a physical existence to "anchor" one's existence as memories/perceptions/information. The absence of a physical body and a definite presence in the Wired is what allows Eiri, Evil Lain, and the Knights to commit all their mischief. In addition, it subverts the main purpose of the Wired, which is to allow connection between people. If the information of one's memories and the perceptions of others has no physical referent, it is essentially meaningless; instead of connecting to another person, you're just experiencing a set of perceptions. SEL is ultimately a story of an introverted girl realizing the value of individual humans and the relationships between them after a brief flirtation with the perennial idea of mankind transcending itself.
Also, anyone who unironically thinks about Lain and Alice having a lesbian relationship should be shot.
>>139403926
>anyone who unironically thinks about Lain and Alice having a lesbian relationship should be shot.
