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>the very people who make anime don't even think anime
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>the very people who make anime don't even think anime is all that good

Is this a sign that the industry quality has been slipping over the years or is this merely an instance of the grass being greener on the other side?
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>>139323192
>Studio Trigger
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>>139323226
Yes, and?
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>>139323226
>studio nigger
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>>139323237
Westaboo as fuck studio.
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>>139323246
>Macaroni and cheese
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>>139323252
Perhaps they like western cartoons because they think it's better than anime.
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>Broccoli soup
How is this shit even good?
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>>139323277
And I should care about what they think why?
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>>139323277
They like the CalArts style shit.
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>in all levels except physical, we are western animators
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Western cartoons make me irrationally angry.

I mean, because they're trash. Even the ones people generally like. Yes, even that one.
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>>139323301
And yet everything they've ever created has been a ripoff of a popular only in Japan series
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Anime sucks, even /a/ knows that.
Its a guilty pleasure.
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>>139323313
They always make fun of anime eyes,yet current american cartoons have bigger eyes.
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I miss Anno badmouthing Disney.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oN3hamwls8

>this is what Trigger have been watching lately
It does give off mahou shoujo vibes I guess
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The best that Studio Trigger has ever managed is Kill la Kill, which was relatively entertaining at the time but ultimately pretty forgettable.

Who cares what they think?

>That's all anime after muh 90s, though.

Why are you even on this board?
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The funny thing is i'm american and don't recognize the names of the shit they're watching. Let me guess: godawful garbage Flash animations?

western cartoons haven't been good since they stopped making those old Batman cartoons. I guess you had a few other legit decent episodes in other series here and there, like Superman had a few decent episodes here and there and Batman Beyond was struggling to be great but hamstrung by fucking DC executives hating it. My only complaint was they fucking made that batman a clone since god forbid Batman not be Bruce Wayne or at the very least Bruce Wayne's own clone.
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But anime isnt that good at all OP
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>wanting to be more western
are the nipps unaware of how big of a shitshow SJWs are making western media?
all of their creative freedom will be stripped away
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>>139323192
I watch ~40 shows a season (not counting backlog) and really enjoy probably +15 of them. There are only ~5 per season that I don't enjoy watching or think about dropping.

If you stop shitposting you complete fuck tons of anime.
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>>139323409
People who say they like american cartoons are just master trolls.
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>>139323192
It's called habituation you dumb nigger. Most anime haven't changed up their visual style in a damn long time. Bishonen are a dime a dozen.
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>>139323449
>anime
>creative freedom

You cant be serious
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>>139323399
Trigger was founded by industry veterans though, their opinions would hold some weight.
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>>139323192
>gravity falls, frozen
>mac and cheese
>broccoli soup
>everything listed here
I worry about trigger.
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>>139323409
I'm pretty sure him being a clone was something they come up after the fact in another series, though I'm no expert on the subject
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>>139323192
Most artists hate everything in their medium because it's cool to be contrarian. Also Trigger are just westaboos.
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>>139323289
shit tastes detected
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>>139323192
>Anime studios bitching about inferior Japanese animation
>Weeaboos bitching about American animation

kek
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>>139323355
And they arr rook same
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>/a/ being defensive as fuck as usual when confronted with facts

Always amusing, you fags take this mass produced chink cartoons made by committees to sell toys to lonely men way too seriously.
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>>139323482
Broccoli is for plebs.
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>>139323514
What facts?
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>>139323512
>>139323335
fuck off retard
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>>139323466
Trigger is nothing.
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>>139323483
What are you talking about? American animation is, and always will be, the best in the world.
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>>139323523
They suck ass.
I enjoy them, but they are shit I wouldnt show proudly to anyone
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When something as utterly mediocre as Kono Subarashii is being heavily praised and getting some of the top sales, it should be painfully obviously that there's a status quo that needs lifting

I'm not commenting specifically on Trigger's stance but your standards have eroded season after season if you think the industry is in a good and healthy position
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>>139323464
Kill yourself you undermining faggot.
Just because you see a few tropes recycled in anime doesn't mean shit.
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>>139323529
Looks pretty forced to me.
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>>139323541
That's no fact.
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The day american cartoons show naked lolis i will support them,but for now american animation stinks.
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>>139323547
Dude anime and manga are hugely influenced by japanese society, they have a crapton of restrictions way more than in the west.
You are ignorant and blinded by muh SJWs
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>>139323529
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Literally the only thing I know there is Frozen. The fuck?
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>>139323556
Its not like anime shows that kind of thing anymore though.
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>>139323529
Now post the flash animation trigger is inspired by.
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>>139323529
If that`s the case, why is american hand drawn 2d animation dead?
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>>139323566
And still manage an output so far beyond anyone else in every regard.
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>>139323604
Not as profitable as 3D
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>>139323464
Honesty studios seem to have tons of creative freedom.
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>>139323566
>anime and manga are hugely influenced by japanese society

MIND BLOWN
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>>139323524
Maybe you shouldn't call other people retards if you're in a Sidonia thread
I'm not even that guy. Just saying that western animation all looks very similar despite people usually saying that about anime.
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There's no mac and cheese in Japan?
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>>139323608
Output as in quantity?
Of course, its mass produced crap after all.
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>>139323601
Instead I'll post the flash animation Trigger has produced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gEPTJ81LuI
>>139323604
Shut up.

Turning Girls is really good, please watch it.
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>>139323543
Kono Suba is being praised for the comedy and voice acting. Certainly not the art.
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>westaboos liking western shit
Wow what a surprise.
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>>139323466

Citation needed.

>They came from Gainax!

Gainax hasn't been good for a very, very long time. The only big leadership roles that I see of note on Trigger resumes is GL, which is overrated as shit. One work also doesn't prove shit about your ability to consistently produce high quality work. I'd say that you need at least a good 3-4 projects under your belt, or a very long running work.

Even if you were right, it would just serve as yet another example that even legends can deteriorate. Trigger hasn't been a great studio, and their horrible tastes might have something to do with that.
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>>139323631
It's pretty garbage food if you think about it.
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>>139323543
Konosuba
>episodic
>comedy
just like western shit

>>139323566
Give some examples of their restrictions. You mean they shape their work around what people will buy for more sales? No shit.
That's not the same thing as not being allowed to publish a work because the culture wouldn't allow it.
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>>139323636
Scope, themes, concepts, messages, fetishes, budget, style, quantity, quality. You name it.
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>>139323661
>episodic

Try harder.
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>>139323640
Turning Girls>>>>>shit>Inferno Meme>>>>Ninja Slayer
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>>139323543
How is Konosuba is inferior to the garbage comedy cartoons trigger is talking about?
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Honestly the higher budget animation in the us is better. Shit by Disney is consistently good and has amazing animation. In that sense I'd say we have better "cartoons" than they do.

All in all, minus people like kyoani, I'd say American animation quality is higher. I prefer anime because of the topics and stories, but from their standpoint I can understand why they think America is better.
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>>139323566
What restrictions are you talking about? I can't think of anything that couldn't be put in a manga.
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>>139323640
Why the fuck have I seen this? I don't even remember watching it.
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>>139323640
Yeah, Turning Girls is nice. Not sure what it has to do with anything.
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I hope the patriarchs of the nips nip this one in the bud. If Western garbage takes over, they're finished. They already took the best parts of the West, they can stay away from the worst.
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>>139323529
Anon please
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>>139323686
My nigga
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>>139323192
It's possible that what they admire about western animation is not the quality of animation itself but merely the story, themes, etc. Some, after all, are more attracted to "progressive" western ideas.
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>>139323483
>kek

Fuck off
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>>139323726
She's fast.
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>>139323728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItFfoRzVOaE

The Kaeru episode was the best
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>>139323705
Disney doesn't even do traditional animation anymore.
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>>139323566
What restrictions? What are they restricted from showing or doing that western cartoons can?
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>>139323726
I'm really glad webms were added to 4chan.
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>>139323592
monster musume,grisaia,to love-ru.
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>>139323706

Maybe he wants uncensored hentai.
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>>139323604
>why is american hand drawn 2d animation dead?

Just coincidence.
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>>139323566
>maybe if I sound confident enough people will believe me
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>>139323192
If someone who worked on batman the animated series think anime is better,then....ANIME IS BETTER!!!!
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>>139323383
The scary part is the Jap dub is still probably better the Eng dub.
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But that's the worst part
The only thing they have going for them is animation fluidity
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>>139323733

>Studio Trigger likes the regressives, their pseudo academic structure that has no foundation in fact, and their bigotry and desire to deprive white people and men of anything resembling rights or a voice disguised as a desire for equality

This would be hilarious if true.
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>>139323592
Fuck off LRD.
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>>139323726
>that low-detail water
That shit has nothing on the whale sequence in Pinocchio

https://youtu.be/uh1sCdcSDi0?t=5m16s
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>>139323529
Disney animators used to film actors in costume and base their animation off of their body movement along with recycling it in multiple movies, this kind of work died out years ago
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>>139323529
inb4 forced animation
>>139323551
Nevermind
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Just shows how Studio Microaggression is cancerous.

Even if Star vs the forces of evil is neat
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>>139323604
Post Disney Renaissance all their 2D movies flopped and the 3D movies still doing good so let's stop doing that one thing and do that other thing that makes money.
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>>139323838
Difference between Ghibli and Disney, at least back then, is that Disney outsourced tons of work to gooks and chinks.
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I guess if I couldn't watch Trigger shows because I was the one who was making them, the world would seem pretty bleak.
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>>139323529
>rotoscoping
>good
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>>139323816
Japanese dubs of western cartoons sound pretty good to be honest.
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>>139323192
>and Frozen the television series
Wha?
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>>139323763
Kaeru is NOT for bullying!
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>>139323566
>crapton of restrictions
>BBC just had a news report where they walk around Moonland and cry about Japan having so much loli hentai while the doujinka talk about their freedom of expression
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>>139323192
>Westaboo studio thinking current anime isn't very good.
Well fucking duh. Why is this getting replies again?
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>>139323887
>Recicled animation
>Good job disney
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Can we send threads about Trigger anime on /co/ now?
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>>139323887
What's wrong with rotoscoping, other than Japanese animations failing to properly utilize it?
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>>139323948
>Yes, even that one.
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If they don't like current anime why don't they make something good?
I mean, can you actually complain about anime when you are making something like Kiznaiver, or animated Inou Battle?
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>>139323733
>western animation
> the story, themes, etc.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
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>>139323998
Maybe they don't think it will sell and are worried about their business going under?
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>>139323852
Referencing is normal practice, even Japanese animators do it sometimes as it helps to study from reality. Disney only recycled their animation for a few movies when money was tight as the time.
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Isn't it kind of obvious to say something positive about Western shit in an interview with a Western site?

Just a thought.
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>>139324026
Why not simply do american cartoons for americans then? or travel to America and work there.
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>>139324046
>Why not simply do american cartoons for americans then?

They kinda did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0S03s8TsU
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>>139324046
Animation in America is not as big as in Japan. Work may be hard to find even with their qualifications.
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The 40's superman cartoon was more anime than anything Studio trigger has done.
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>>139323568
Who is this guy?
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>>139323566
You are deluded if you think that western script writers have any bit of freedom
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>>139323838
ok Pinocchio wins but can you make any modern examples?

>American animation is, and always will be, the best in the world.
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>>139324046
The demographics for American cartoons is either children between the ages of 2 and 10 or a fringe number of adults who laugh at Adult Swim originals.
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>>139324110
That's the joke.
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>>139323568
GiTS really is amazingly well done.

Cel shading and BDs of shows with cel shading (lodoss, berserk) are the most aesthetically pleasing forms of animation to me. I love the thick black outlines on the BDs.
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>>139324042
These is praising some of the other countries works,and then there is shitting on your own industry and simultaneously sucking american dick.
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>>139324125
That looks better than Gravity falls.
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Do none of you guys remember Hanna Barbera cartoons? Or Cartoon Network classics like Samurai Jack and Sheep in the Big City?

What about The Mask: TAS?
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>>139324110
Richard Williams, a legendary British animator. The subs obviously aren't real.
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>>139323192
Everyone in /a/ knows anime has been getting shittier and shittier.
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>>139324151
Even worse, westerns barely spend money on anything, while nips buy overpriced bds to show support westerns install adblock
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>>139324180
This thread may be discussing western forms of animation, but that doesn't give you an excuse to post non-animated reaction images.
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>>139323998
Imaishi will save anime with his new short.
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>>139323409
>gravity falls
>flash garbage
Kill yourself
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>>139324210
The last thing anime needs is more business men.
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Frozen TV series? What the hell. Did you guys even ask for a source on this? There is no fucking Frozen tv series...why do you guys believe every fake interview you see on The State Of Anime?
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>>139324191
HB cartoons are terribly animated
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>>139324244
Why wouldn't I believe what someone posts on /a/? no one goes on the internet just to lie.
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>>139324180
>Hanna Barbera
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>>139324125
Why should we bother posting modern examples when even a movie that was hand drawn for seven years can't even surpass our animation from 60 years ago?
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Wakfu is a better anime than most anime.
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>>139324244
It's probably a mistranslation.
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>>139324230
Fuck off /co/.
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>>139324125
>all that high quality motion
>then suddenly fucking speed lines
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>>139323998
Talking as if you are the most savvy shit around ia easy , even grade schoolers do it. Producing content is far harder
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>>139324230
Cockroaches are not welcome here.
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>>139323192
I have literally never heard of any of those shows they referenced. I thought Frozen was a movie like 4 years ago.
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>>139324276
Swat Kats, Tom and Jerry, Johnny Quest, Dexter's Laboratory etc

>>139324226
How about fused pokemon?

>>139324261
Do you mean Hanna Barbera?
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>>139324230
Go back to CalArts
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>>139324295
A mistranslation? They even go so far as to add in "Which is better than the movie", that's far beyond a mistranslation. this is bullshit like a ton of fake interviews posted on here are, meanwhile every retard falls for them.

If I see the source in Japanese, I can check if it's accurate. Because I'm trying to search google japan for similar things right now and coming up with nothing.
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>>139324330
Tom and Jerry was made by MGM
The hanna barbera 70's version is a turd.
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>>139324244
I don't. There has never been a screencap of an article or screencap of a quote posted on /a/ that hasn't been an edited shitpost.
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There are western cartoons worth watching in this day and age?
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>>139324330
>Johnny Quest
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>>139324359
It's from a panel at an American convention.

https://marinasauce.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/sakura-con-2016-designingworking-in-the-anime-industry-with-hiroyasu-kobayashi-and-shigeto-koyama/
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>>139324370
I quite liked it. What about Tom and Jerry kid's show?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_vs._the_Forces_of_Evil
How does this broadcast schedule work?
First two episodes air together, next three air every week and then they skip seven weeks and only broadcast two episodes per month for the rest of the year?
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>>139324376
Family Guy,Mister pickles and Bordertown
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>>139323192
>2016
>People now realise anime is fucking garbage

No real nigga supports 20 minute commercials and advertisements.

Reading manga is a much better experience.
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>>139324293
So you can't.

Japanimation wins ;^)
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>>139324396
The theme song was catchy,thats all.
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Woah, a studio full of westaboos think the west is better and anime is dead. It's almost comparable with an imageboard full of weeaboos thinking the east is better and cartoons are dead.

I want to be Japanese so badly.
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>>139324376

Pretty much this.
Though why did cartoons suddenly taper off come the turn of the millennium and just go to complete shit a half a decade late?
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>>139324439
True, the theme was great.

>>139324388
The later version with 3D stuff in it. At least try and point out a flaw so I can understand you, anon.
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How is this a surprise in the fucking least? Being Westaboo is normie as fuck in Japan, and scores you big social points.
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>>139323292
Well you sure do care what they think in every other case.
But when they insult anime suddenly "I HATE THEM".

Look. Creators never really enjoy their own creation. It's just how it works.
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CULTURAL APPROPRIATION

CULTURAL APPROPRIATION
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>>139324390
>Since Japan is gradually putting out fewer anime, the Robot Taisen games might go away and become Bishoujo Taisen.
How detached from reality can you be?
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>>139324390
>It was an elaborate troll by Trigger
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>>139324477
Go back to >>>/v/ or >>>/pol/
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>>139324460
Anus your mother.
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>>139323192
>Perfect Bones x Netflix
>Kabaneri x Amazon
>FLCL x AdultSwim
Why don't you make a move to western audience (like IG) trigger, instead of making half-assed anime like ninja slayer?
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>>139324450
Im moving to japan pretty soon just so I can keep creating stuff. I do not believe its a wonderland but the British thought police is going mad and they got me fired
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>>139324533
They want Fox to hire them for the outsourced episodes of The Simpsons, their flash animation is on par so.
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>>139324484
>Bishoujo Taisen
That already exists, though to say Robot Taisen games might go away is silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlx6mojjcYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWf-EOcqffA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPXOUPNxhXE
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>>139324400
American schedule.

It's better to wait until the season is over.
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>>139324543
Make sure you include a hot girl on your creation.
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Manga is better, as usual.
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What are these? I love them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p04mwZvuFkk
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>>139324450
I don't want to be Japanese, I want to be a cute 2d japanese girl.
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>>139324180
The best american TV cartoons were anime inspired.
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>>139324620
I don't want to be Japanese either, I just want to be a cool good looking ecchi harem main character.
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It's known here that anime is a niche, embarrassing thing for the most part, and manga is generally better.
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>>139324634
The Mask TAS, Batman TAS, Swat Kats weren't anime inspired though.
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>>139323192
>Is this a sign that the industry quality has been slipping over the years

Yes. Unless you're already an otaku shutin anime has nothing really to offer you. Not to sound too much like a normie but ask yourself what recent anime you would recommend to a friend who didn't already watch anime.
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>>139324584
Just like the westerns havr always been doing. Anime is the true descendant of the greek tradition. It has incest, monster girls, walking into baths and even 9 muses / μs
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This seems odd to say specially when Kiznaiver is close to airing.

What happened to you Trigger..
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>>139324706
>Not to sound too much like a normie but ask yourself what recent anime you would recommend to a friend who didn't already watch anime.
Plenty.
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American animation is ded by flash & canadians.
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>>139324729
like what
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>>139324679
Unfortunately this.
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>>139323998
Or Kill la Kill.
Trigger is just being westaboos praising low tier western shows. I don't see why their opinion matters.
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>>139324745
Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut.
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>>139324745
OPM, AoT, Death Parade etc etc
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>>139324706
We don't spoonfeed here
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>>139324715
American cartoons needs lolis and nudity,Just look at them they have no problem with gore but...NUDITY IS TOO MUCH!?!
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>>139324706
>what recent anime would i rec to a friend who doesn't watch anime
Konosuba
OPM
Inai machi
come immediately to mind
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>>139324745
Literally anything that got a dub because dumb normalfags love them.
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What he says about noses in the interview is weird considering the "no protruding noses" thing is recent and introduced by moe and cutesy shit. All classic shoujo had big noses, plenty of older anime did, urasawa's stuff has great noses, but current stuff? Yeah, the noses suck, it made me laugh for him to say they'd like to get rid of noses altogether...while they themselves barely put noses on their female characters.

Frozen still doesn't have a TV series, so he just sounds like a dumb westaboo. He's talking to Americans for the interview as well, so he seems to be trying to appeal to them and kiss their ass. Sad. Nips are always bowing down pathetically.
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>>139324763
>>139324757

1 or 2 shows a season and even then nothing that is so significantly good that it would make a normal person say more then "it was good I guess".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImyntxVxZyE
Here's Western Animation for you, Trigger
made by IG
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>>139324813
Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi was the best anime that came out of Japan in recent years, every normie loves it.
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>>139324813
Why can't you just admit that you are full of shit
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>>139324813
Generally when i rec normie-friendly anime to normies the feedback i receive is frantic raving about how amazing it is
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>>139324731
>canadians.
Took our jobs.
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>>139324826
>Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi was the best anime that came out of Japan in recent years
Who needs a comedy bar when you've got /a/?
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>>139324805
Eh, 60' stuff had little noses sometimes too, Sally being the main example
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>>139324745
Pupa
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>>139324813
>1 or 2 shows a season
Normalfags generally only watch a couple shows a season, they aren't as invested in the hooby as many others are.

>"it was good I guess"
Thier reactions vary greatly, but the main point is that even if they did say that, they would most likely watch a few shows the next season too.
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>>139324871
Masterpiece.
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>>139324830
exceptions don't make the rule. I'm right by virtue of reality, look at the mediocre state anime is in and the lack of respect it has among most people. look at the declining sales and stale, unoriginal premises of most of the crap that's made nowadays. you aren't helping the state of anime by defending the status quo.
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>>139324854
>implying he's wrong
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>>139324745
Dude. Western normies eat up stuff like Attack on Titan and One-Punch man like no tomorrow.
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>>139324842
Canadians
>Evil masterminds
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>>139324875
>they aren't as invested in the hooby as many others are.

But that's the entire point, anime has largely given up on finding new audiences and has resigned itself to feeding off the anime of otaku. which has directly resulted in the declining quality overall of anime. It's a case of giving the audience what they want instead of what they need.
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>>139324805
Dot noses existed in the 90s, I wouldn't call it recent.
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>not a single Miyazaki troll image in sight
Come on /a/. You're all getting rusty.
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>>139324893
Fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz9O62KLkG4
Literally pick AoT over KLK
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>>139324884
Whar declining sales?
The ones who are in a pinch are the western cartoons, with no american action cartoon coming out because they cant sell toys since hero moviea took the whole share

Anime's peak year so far was 2013 though 15 might surpass it
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>>139324934
>anime has largely given up on finding new audiences
Thank god.
>what they need.
What do they need?
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>>139324968
Japanese nationalism was a mistake.
- Miyazaki.
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>>139324966
Mai waifu
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>>139325016
Oh fuck off dude. Courage and Jack were 10/10.

Practically the last vestiges of good cartoons back in the day.
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>>139325016
Holy shit top left, what was the name? I loved that shit.
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>>139325016
Kinda wanna watch Ergo Proxy again now.
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>>139324884
You asked some recent titles, you got them. What more do you want for the majority of anime to be made for your own specific taste?
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>>139325042
Sheep was fantastic too.
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>>139323192
>We would have no problem finding macaroni and cheese, and broccoli soup.

These guys have their priorities straight.
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How do we make western cartoons great again?
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>>139325044
12.Oz Mouse
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>>139325083
Sheep, Zim, and Sponge were around 8-9 for me.
Powerpuff obviously a masterpiece.
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>>139323816
>>139323888
Thats because Japan has better voice actors in general. In America, you either stick to the same ten people over and over again, or you get crappy voice actors.
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>>139325112
Thanks.

>>139325116
Sponge Bob was a 10/10 for the first few seasons at least. Never liked Zim.
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OP, what is better?
>saying that Japanese animation is great, being called out for being a nationalist who shills his studio, bringing Japanese animation's SJW-unfriendly themes to a parallel with the SJW bullshit that fills the average Western TV screen therefore infuriating some idiots who will use this argument to discredit the studio as a whole
or
>pleasing the Western audience and his narcissistic views about culture (you can see that with the use of "Frozen" as a TV series) and therefore appear as a cultivated man that knows his shit and recognizes "MUH WESTERN SUPERIORITY" over "weeaboo bullshit" for "filthy otaku" in order to have people more likely to check out the studio's works

Hmmm, I wonder.
You guys don't even know how Japanese people works. Bending and よろしくお願いします isn't a fucking anime cliché.
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>>139325091
Lolis and fanservice
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>>139325091
We would need Europe to be a single market. France and Italy would consume cartoons if they had them, they just need someone who can produce a good number of them seasonally.
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>>139324966
90s is not considered classic. And kid characters generally have small noses, even Disney draws them with tiny noses. they also draw their attractive women with tiny noses...star vs the forces of evil? frozen? gravity falls? everything he mentioned has that.
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>The very people who make anime

Trigger is small fry. They haven't even made anything good yet so stop talking about them as if they're the last bastion of anime or as if they're the only ones making anime.
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>>139325116
Cartoon post danny phantom & Kim possible were shit
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>>139325136
Just make western Saint Seiya for the french.
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>>139325142
>90's is not considered classic

Sure thing gramps. I love my Mickey Mouse cartoons from the 1920's.
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>>139325016
I don't think there's anyone on earth that'll fight that some of the worst looking anime look as good as the best looking cartoons. But most people don't watch anime/cartoons for the art quality, they watch it for the writing/humour. Most Westerners can't handle Japanese comedy, especially anime comedy, and find it far more easy to relate to good writing when they're familiar with the culture.
There's good and bad to both. It's not like there are absolutely zero good cartoons- old Spongebob is really good comedy, A:TLA and Samurai Jack are both really good plot-driven series, and even Gravity Falls isn't that bad, just super overrated by Tumblr.
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>>139325151
Trigger is a shitty name to begin with
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>>139325075
>What more do you want for the majority of anime to be made for your own specific taste?
Yeah
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>>139323648
>Citation needed.
All you need to do is look at the names of their rosters. You're only seeing Gurren Laggann because thats what they shilled to get people to pay attention to KlK. Even if they weren't directing older anime, many of them worked on stuff like Evangelion, Gun/die buster etc.

>>139323399
Trigger is still a very young studio.
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>>139325181
>>But most people don't watch anime/cartoons for the art quality, they watch it for the writing/humour. Most Westerners can't handle Japanese comedy, especially anime comedy, and find it far more easy to relate to good writing when they're familiar with the culture.

No Westerner understands Japanese humor. Especially the kind in Gintama. If you think you do then you're a filthy fucking weeb.
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>>139325132
Yeah, most don't think about how he's acting for an interview with foreigners.

Plus, a lot of people are disgruntled with their own industries. Plenty of comic writers over here, especially the ones that work for cape comics, have plenty negative to say. Same with people who work in animation over here. Artists tend to be frustrated.

Also, can someone name dates where anime declined/generally died then had a resurgence?
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>>139325180
What a pleb,.Felix the cat 1910's cartoons are my jam
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>>139323471
Its not. That episode in Justice League Unlimited was taken from the ideas they had for the series finale of Batman Beyond.

>>139323409
Good American stuff is few and far between, but its there if you give it a chance every once in awhile. I'm not gonna post any names though because people will sperg out if I do.
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>>139323313
>implying
jap and western cartoons are shit in their own ways
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>>139325174
Italy already produced some decent mahou shoujo, good comics that could adapted are there, Eruope just need the money to start the industry.
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>>139325016
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>>139325239
>>Good American stuff is few and far between, but its there if you give it a chance every once in awhile. I'm not gonna post any names though because people will sperg out if I do.

So you can't name any? lol
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>>139325206
Declined after Eva, had a resurgence after Azumanga.
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>>139325151
>says the guy who don't even animate, more or less draw for shit
But most of their employees are experienced and from other studios.
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>>139325091
Nudity
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