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Let's make a Mari Okada bingo card in time for Kiznaiver
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Let's make a Mari Okada bingo card in time for Kiznaiver and Mayoiga.

Try to keep as specific as you can.

>Strong independent old ladies
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>>139294243
>Writing ideas get cucked
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>>139294243
Insufferable bitches
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Free space is melodrama
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>>139294243
Just imagine what she would do to your dick.
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Unrequited love
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Ambiguously homosexual
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Lesbians?
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Some ideas from the thread a couple of days ago.

>>139218331
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>>139294243
Hanairo is still best Okada and best P.A. Shirobako comes close second.
Prove me wrong faggots.
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>>139294795
Love Triangles
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>>139294844
It's about execution not buzzwords, anon.
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>>139294795
Uchouten Kazoku
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>>139294243
Storybook imagery/analogies.
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Animal companions?
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>>139294755
Most of those are too vague. "Best girl" and "Worst girl" aren't objective criteria so we can't really use them on a bingo card. I can get behind "themes of incest," "character redemption," "bait and switch," "love triangles" and "love pentagrams" though.

I might even broaden incest to something like "forbidden love" or "sexual taboos" which are a little broader and cover more of her body of work.
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>>139294243
>That cunt
>Strong
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>>139295057
Emotionally.
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>>139294795
Best Okada is NnA, followed by Hanairo.

Best PA is Shirobako, followed by NnA, followed by Hanairo.
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>>139295074
She hits one of her workers for making a tiny mistake.
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"Jealousy?" She always has a scene of a girl watching her crush get cozy with another girl.
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>>139295159
>I only watched one episode of HanaIro but I'll finish it someday
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Lesbians
Faggots
Dolicons
Incest
Childhood crushes
Autism
Sociopaths
Psychopaths
Wishes
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Bullying
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I'll put together a card when I get home.

Can you guys accompany your suggestions with images?
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>>139295103
>Nagi no Asshit
>Best anything
It was pretty with decent OST, I give you that. Other than that you have to be mentally damaged to enjoy.
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>>139294795
Uchouten Kazoku > Hanasaku Iroha > Shirobako > everything else
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>>139295103
this anon is 100% right.
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>>139295103
THIS
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I thought that liking NagiAsu was just a dank meme.
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>>139294243
I already did that not so long. I think I'm missing some.

FREE SPACE: MELODRAMA
>TEARS WATERFALL SEQUENCES
>COMPLICATED ROMANCE POLYGONS
>SOLE ABANDONED GIRL
>CROSSDRESSED MALE CHARACTER
>HOMOEROTIC SEXUAL INNUENDOS
>DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY CHILDS
>MISFIT PROTAGONISTS
>NO EMOTIONAL SUBTLETLY
>THE WORLD OF OUTSIDE
>OFTEN BECOMES SOAP OPERA
>MORAL DEGENERATE TOPICS
>VIVID CHARACTER DYNAMICS
>NETORARE LIKE SITUATIONS
>INDEPENDENT OLD LADIES
>CHILDHOOD FRIENDS
>NOT ALWAYS THE SCRIPTWRITER
>EMOTIONALLY DAMAGING SERIES
>BECOMES TRAINWRECK HALFWAY
>CATHARSIS
>FUCK LOGIC DIALOGUES
>GETS HER INITIAL IDEAS CHANGED
>WIDE PANDERING BAIT
>CONTROVERSIAL TROLL ENDINGS
>SHIPPING WARS
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>>139297481
>>THE WORLD OF OUTSIDE
>>NOT ALWAYS THE SCRIPTWRITER
What do these mean?
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>>139294795
I enjoy hanairo
does toradora count? cause my vote probably goes to that.
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>>139297649
>NOT ALWAYS THE SCRIPTWRITER

Okada often doesn't write the script for episodes of shows she did series composition for.
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>>139297695
That's standard practice though. There are few cases where the series compositor actually writes everything.
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>>139297823
I'm not the one that posted the list. I'm just telling you.
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>>139297481
I think we cannot leave these behind
>WORKING ON MORE THAN ONE SERIES IN CURRENT SEASON
>COMING-OF-AGE ROMANCE
>NICE IDEAS TERRIBLE EXECUTIONS
>BLATANT & SUBTLE SELFINSERTS

>>139297649
>THE WORLD OF OUTSIDE
Mari Okada constantly makes references to her childhood since she was a loner and no one shared her interests. The reason of this is because there is a record of many of her characters (which share some traits and is often female) refer to the outside world giving us the idea of the unknown and 'real world'. This happened in Black Rock Shooter, Hanasaku Iroha, M3 Sonno Kuroki Hagane, Selector WIXOSS and in a less extent Gundam G-Tekketsu.

>NOT ALWAYS THE SCRIPTWRITER
Because her not being the scriptwriter in most episodes in the series afffects the execution and consistency.

>>139297823
>That's standard practice though. There are few cases where the series compositor actually writes everything.
Of course, but with Kiznaiver we will have a benchmark if a series entirely written by her are good in comparison when she only writes less than 6 episodes.
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Love triangle.
MC getting his heart broken.


All I got right now.
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>>139297922
>Of course, but with Kiznaiver we will have a benchmark if a series entirely written by her are good in comparison when she only writes less than 6 episodes.
It's not the first time she writes every episode either.
Anyway, all I wanted to say is that was a poor choice for a bingo because it has nothing to do with Okada herself..
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>>139297922
The only other series that was written entirely by her was AnoHana, and in both cases here she isn't writing from her ideas, but somebody else's.
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>bunch of crazy drama makes middle stretch of the show the best part
>happy, but unsatisfying ending
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>>139297481
Most of these are just vague criticisms of Okada and not actual cliches that you could put on a bingo card. A bingo card needs objective criteria (like "incest" or "love triangle") or it's no good.
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>>139294975
Examples of this?
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>>139295342
>Dolicon
>Wishes
>Childhood crushes

I can only think of one show for these. I think we need things that Okada has a tendency to put in her shows.
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>>139300554
Amazing Twins
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>>139300449
What are these you consider vague?
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>>139297922
I see what you mean about "the world of outside." I think that's a legitimate Okada trope. How to word it more succinctly? "Agoraphobia" maybe? "Sheltered Loners?"

>>139300828
I guess I mean "subjective." They aren't tropes or recurring themes. "No Emotional Subtlety" doesn't work because that's a matter of taste. "Not Always The Scriptwriter" isn't either.

I think I was mostly talking about the later stuff actually, most of the first part of the list is good.
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Strive to change/move forward as a central theme.
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>>139300814
Any others?
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Do people actually like Mari Okada unironically? Like, do we just as a board put up with her since she's prolific in an active sense and shrug, or do people actually enjoy her tripe melodrama?
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Surveying the thread I've picked out a few and added a couple that I think are legitimate. This is 19 in total, I need 5 more.

Do you think I'm missing anything that should be included? If so, give me a few examples to support it, like shows that the Okada cliche shows up in.

Also if you could suggest scenes or images to represent these and ideally post them to save me the trouble that would be appreciated.

FREE SPACE: Melodrama (maybe Suffering?)

Sociopaths
Social Misfits
Catharsis
Moral Degeneracy
Cool Old Lady
Suffering
Lesbians
Flaming Faggots
Bullying
Different Dimensions
Forbidden Love
Animal Companions
Character Redemption
Love Triangles
Love Pentagrams
Envy
Vanity
Insufferable Bitches
Abandonment Issues
Everyone's Crying
Agoraphobia
Striving to Change

I was thinking of "Pervy Old Men" but actually I think that's just in HanaIro, or did I forget something obvious? If I left out one of your suggestions, give me multiple examples of it happening in her shows. Otherwise if I left it out it's because it was too subjective or not exactly a cliche or trope, even though I may agree it's true about Okada. The point of this kind of exercise is to show case overused story elements rather than picking on her for her shortcomings.

>>139294932
>>139294743

Can you give multiple examples of these?

>>139301264

She has her moments and she writes good characters and character dialogue. It's just she doesn't know how to make a satisfying ending and she doesn't plan her stories out well enough in advance so they are always disappointing. Some people can overlook her flaws and it's a dealbreaker for others.

Most of her stuff is kind of crappy but most of anime is kind of crappy, so there's that. At the very least she is prolific like you say, and it's fun to roll your eyes at the Okada-isms.
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>>139301334
Dysfunctional Families
Concerned Parents
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>>139301264
Fuck off.
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>>139297481
Fixed for you.

>>FREE SPACE: MELODRAMA
>>TEARS SEQUENCES
>>COMPLEX ROMANCE POLYGONS
>>ABANDONED GIRL IN SOLITUDE
>>CROSSDRESSING
>>HOMOEROTIC SEXUAL INNUENDOS
>>DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILIES
>>MISFIT CHARACTERS
>>SELF INSERTS
>>THE OUTISDE WORLD
>>OFTEN EVOLVES TO SOAP OPERA
>>SOCIAL DEGENERATE THEMES
>>THERE IS ALWAYS A REDEMPTION
>>POTENTIAL NETORARE
>>INDEPENDENT FEMALES
>>CHILDHOOD FRIEND CRUSHS
>>IS WORKING IN MORE SERIES IN THE SEASON
>>EMOTIONALLY DAMAGING SERIES
>>CERTAIN CHARACTERS LOOKS LIKE A CAT
>>CATHARSIS
>>EMASCULATED MALES
>>GETS HER INITIAL SETUP REVISED
>>MC HAD A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE IN CHILDHOOD
>>CONTROVERSIAL ENDINGS
>>PROMOTED SHIPPING WARS
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>>139300786
Only mentioning anime originals

>Dolicon
IBO, NagiAsu, I think Simoun had lesbian lolis?

>Wishes
Wixoss, AnoHana, BRS

>Childhood crushes
IBO, AnoHana, Wixoss, NagiAsu, I think M3 had them too, but I can't remember, I droped that show after 4 episodes.
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>>139301552
Didn't mean to get you upset, Mari.
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>>139301591
Thanks anon.

I'm gonna start going through the Okada shows I have saved and pick out some images for these. The only ones I still have on my HDD are NagiAsu, HanaIro, Anohana, WIXOSS and True Tears, but I can download other shows to pick out examples from them. I'll have to get some BRS pictures for sure. Ideally it should be pretty representative and a good mix of her stuff.

I haven't seen IBO so if people could recommend Okada-isms from that show or give me images to support specific things then that would be nice.
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>>139301334
suffering
character redemtion
strive to change
These are the best ones.

But also let's not forget
>misunderstandings
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>>139301844
Watch AKB0048
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>>139301844
I have WIXOSS, some of M3, Gundam IBO, True Tears, Nagi Asu and HanaIro
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>>139301993
Get me a few M3 examples then and post them here.
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>>139294243
Heron-kun was best girl.
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>INDEPENDENT FEMALES
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>POTENTIAL NETORARE
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>>139295893
Just Uchouten Kazoku to be honest, and that was because the source material was already good.
HanaIro was your run of the mill late 90 Korean romance (melo)drama, which could only be good the first time you watch it.
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>>139302121
I want to be more specific about it being strong independent OLD women because I think that's even more Okada. You could even narrow it down to grandmas but I think generally moms, grandmas, and matriarchs tend to be cool or savvy and also single.
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>PROMOTED SHIPPING WARS
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>>139302262
Love Polygons covers this already IMO
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>>139302249
Is not necessary an old lady, Susan from M3 was by far very competent and independent, same as Ohana's mom.
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manlets, sometimes even smaller than girls
this is okada's fetish, can confirm
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I can't stress enough the "desire to change" as it's been present in most of the Okada shows I've watched. Needs to be included in some form.
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>HOMOEROTIC SEXUAL INNUENDOS
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is this going to be the new glasslip?
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>ABANDONED GIRL IN SOLITUDE
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>>139294795
Best Okada, then AKB0048, then NnA. Shirobako > NnA > Uchouten Kazoku for PA Works. HanaIro's good though.

Still need to finish Red Garden.
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>>139302297
Yes, but seems like it tends to be women older than the main cast, like parents or grandparents. I also think that in and of itself is an Okada trope.
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>>139302452
How about loli Ruuko watching her mom walk off in the distance?
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>EMASCULATED MALES
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>>139294795
Hanasaku Iroha is Okada's best work at PA Works, but not her best overall. Also, Uchouten Kazoku is PA Works best.
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>SOCIAL DEGENERATE THEMES
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>>139302622
>>139302558
These are perfect, thank you for your hard work
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>>139302511
I don't know anon. Pretty large amount of Okada main cast are independent regardless of their age. It goes with the thematic of searching yourself and growing. You've been using HanaIro as an example, and despite the /a/ slut-meme, Ohana is pretty much one of the most inspiring and relentless characters that despite falling somehow always manages.
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>>139302249
Can this count?
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>>139302622
Is social degenerate actually a commonly used thing in Okadastuff?
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>>139302697
I agree with you, I'm saying that the cool old lady like mom or grandma is an Okadaism in and of itself. And when I think "strong independent" I am including "don't need no man" like, single or unmarried. Grandma in HanaIro, Grandma in WIXOSS, and there's a mom I'm thinking of too.
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>>139302744
I'm not sure it is either. She's big on social outcasts and misfits (to the point that it's almost free space worthy), but degenerates and societal decay? I can't think of many examples.
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>>139302899
I think just simple "outcast" would be more fitting.
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>STRIVE TO CHANGE
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>>139302899
When I think "moral degeneracy" I think that includes things like incest.
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>>139303172
normies out
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>>139303222
>normie
Fuck off.
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>SELF INSERTS
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>forbidden love
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>>139303279
Which works have actually featured self-inserts?
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>>139303313
Tons.
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>>139303364
>>139303279
Too much overlap with the other things we have though (like abandonment, isolation, etc)
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>>139303551
Someone got the Okada truck image?
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>>139303364
I think what you consider "self-insert" is largely in the eyes of the viewer: if you consider someone "dark" self insert then pretty much every character from m3 qualifies. I don't think there's any tangible way to actually confirm what characters are self-inserts so I wouldn't actually root for this choice.
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>EMOTIONALLY DAMAGING SERIES
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>>139303663
I agree with this anon. But thanks >>139303279
for the idea, we're just brainstorming stuff after all.
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>MISFIT CHARACTERs
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>Sociopaths
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>DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILIES
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>>139303885
I can think of like 2 series with sociopaths. Maybe 3 if I pretend I watched ibo.
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>>139303973
Char did nothing wrong.
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>FREE SPACE: MELODRAMA
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Need more images from AKB0048, NagiAsu, AnoHana and True Tears.
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>COMPLEX ROMANCE POLYGONS
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>>139303102
Can I get this without the subtitles?
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>SUFFERING
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Would people agree that "parental concern" is an Okada trope?
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>TEARS SEQUENCES
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>>139304903
Pretty much, but I don't know if it should be simplified only to "concern". Parental problems in some form are however definitely Okada.
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>>139305016
I guess it's caught up in "dysfunctional families." I was thinking stuff like Hitoe's mom buying Ruuko a sundae and trying to get her to explain what's going on with her daughter.
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>>139294243

>Strong independent rrradies
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>CROSSDRESSING!
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>>139305135
>IN LIKE ONE SERIES!
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>>139305152
>what is wandering son
>what is kuroshitsuji
>what are her interviews about some of her friends doing it
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Parental Concern is something strange and unique in Okada, whereas most animu always has the parents missing or never appearing at all and it's like they don't exist at all.

well, maybe the mom show up. if she's hot, and you can fuck her. Shitty fucking Glasslip might've been the only animu I can think of where the MC is living alone with his dad, but that madman lived in his yard in a tent like some kind of chuuni hobo.
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>TEAR SEQUENCES
I think this is better because yes.
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>>139305204
>IN LIKE 3 SERIES
I didn't know wandering son was her
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Ineffective teachers.
School counselors that make things worse.
Kiznaiver already has both.
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>>139305208
>PARENTAL CONCERN
I don't know if this fits.
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>>139305208
Yeah, actually it's something I like about Okada. I like the parents getting involved in what's going on with their kids.
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>>139305327
You are trying to say
>INCOMPETENT ADULTS
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>>139294743
Examples? I can't think of any that would fit that bill. sadly
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>>139305327
>those high waisted pants

unf unf unf
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>>139295821
Why did you hate it anon?
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>>139294743
Don't we already have homoerotic innuendos?
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>>139294528
B-BALUT!!
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>>139305636
It went full retarded with the plot towards the ending and ditched sol elements. Some of the pairings felt to come out of the left field with barely foreshadowing. Instead of some well developed drama elements finale was just something bullshit about "missing love" that was introduced like 3 episodes before finale. Timeskip felt unnecessary device that enabled all the previously mentioned elements I disliked. There wasn't that much wrong with the first half.
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>CHILDHOOD FRIEND CRUSHS
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>>139294243
>Long-winded conversations about nothing
>curveball plot twists and or character development without rhyme or reason (i.e. the delinquent kid in Anthem of the Heart suddenly revealing he was in love with the main girl even though there was absolutely zero build up to it)
>love triangle
>heartbreak
>best girl losing; worst girl winning
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>>139306312
>>curveball plot twists and or character development without rhyme or reason (i.e. the delinquent kid in Anthem of the Heart suddenly revealing he was in love with the main girl even though there was absolutely zero build up to it)
Do we have subs or BD up yet?
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>>139305761
So you didn't like that it was unpredictable?
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>>139306434
There's being unpredictable and then there's shit like Valvrave which in defense was unpredictable as hell, if you catch my drift.
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>>139302208
That is the Ein of M3?
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>Char Clones
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This is our template, right?
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>>139306591
>HOMOEROTIC SEXUAL INNUENDOS
>NETORARE LIKE SITUATIONS
Delete this.
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>>139306591
>MORE CHARS
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>CATHARSIS
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>GUILTY CHILDRENS TO MURDER
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>>139306756
That's an example of the kind of thing we're going for. I think that one is good. With Okada we have a much wider body of work so ideally it should be representative.

I'm working on one already using the examples people are posting.
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>>139306756
Yes, or this.
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>>139306925
>JOBBER
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Best girl loses
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>>139306990
>>139306756
We should call it the EMOTIONALLY DAMAGING BINGO.
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>PARENTAL CONCERN
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>>139306990
Ikuhara one is by far more visually pleasing.
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>>139306990
Needs:
>It's actually humans!
It happened at least 5 times.
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>>139307093
I like it, but Okada's name needs to be in the name. Okada's Emotionally Damaging Bingo maybe. I'll try to make the presentation nice and I'll post it seeking feedback.

>>139307179
>It was brains all along!
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There will be exactly one (1) nigger in the show.
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>>139307164
How so? it's just advice dog style with shadowed impact font. I like how it's more square-shaped but I like the captions better in the Butcher one.
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>SCARY CHILDREN
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>HEARTBREAKING MOMENTS
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>>139307815
>SCARY CHILDREN

I can only think of WIXOSS
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>VIOLENT OUTBURSTS
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>>139304046
>>139303102

I need these without subtitles please
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>VERY TWISTED RELATIONSHIPS
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>MC HAD A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE IN CHILDHOOD
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>>139306368
Nah. I just got a chance to see the limited screening of it in LA. It was alright aside from that dumb curveball character segway.
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>TWINCEST
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>>139308651
>STRIVE TO CHANGE
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>INDEPENDENT FEMALES
This is by far the greastest character from M3.
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>>139309149
Got one that has room for me to write words instead of being a screen full of face?
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>>139306865
Do you mean Catharsis in the classical sense,. or catharsis like venting?
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>FREE SPACE: MELODRAMA
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>>139302208
This image is so perfect for this
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>>139308297
Iron Booboo Babies?
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>>139310284
what's this from?
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>>139310518
It's was an extra for Anthem of Heart's manga. The mangaka got to know Mari Okada herself in a meeting with more persons. She got impressed by her.
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>>139310582
That's cool. I thought it must have been her or something which is why I asked. I'll use it for the free space.
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Can someone post that image of Okada driving the deadly Japanese truck?
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>>139307164
Ikuhara is a director with a unique visual style
Urobuchi is a writter
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>striving to change
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Okay I need pictures for some of the following

>Alternate Dimensions
>Vanity
>Flaming Faggots
>Character Redemption
>Wishes
>Bullying
>Envy

Preferably from BRS or Anohana as those are underrepresented on my card so far.

Did we agree that Sociopaths is out? I think it should stay in. That or Creepy Children.

Let me know if you don't think any of these fit. I need 7 more squares. I'm trying not to make too many squares that overlap each other.
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>>139310841
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This post was made to later make a proper bingo in the future.
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>>139311661
I made this thread.
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>>139300554
That Heron in HanaIro is pretty much an animal companion, even though it never accompanies the cast and is just there to scare the MC and be an obstacle.

Chickens from Glasslip and True Tears
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>>139311937
Glasslip wasn't Okada.
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>>139311937
The chikens were mostly some kind of weird reference according to the director.
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>>139311359
I only have wixoss pis for bullying.
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>>139313053
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Haven't been on /a/ in a while, how is Kiznaiver looking?
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>>139311937
Any more examples? I like this if it's true, but I can only think of those two examples.
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>ctr+f
>incest
>yuri
>no results

have none of you ever watched anything Okada before?

Free Space should be SUFFERING (melodrama)
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>>139316595
Did you read the thread?
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>>139316621
no, I just spelled incest wrong
sorry
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>>139306756
>>139306990
another one
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Had to fix a layer thing
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>>139318233
I like it anon.
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>>139318233
It's beautiful.
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>>139318233
>33
its perfect
what is top left misfits?
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>>139318897
M3
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>>139294795
True Tears.
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>>139319096
Ahead of its time.
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>>139318233
Neat.
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>>139318233
I like it but I will make my own.
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>>139319128
Elaborate anon.
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>>139318233
Thanks.
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>>139318233
I will make my own. I don't like it at all. Sorry but honesty is first.
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