>Started as a shounen that favored intelligence over raw brutality
>Started as a story of a kid with no background or special circumstances except for the monster locked inside of him which caused him great disadvantage rather than being a triumph card
>Series whole philosophy was about hard work could beat or atleast rival/equal genetic superiority.
>It was all about beating destiny rather than prophecies and fate
>Turns out the main character who was suppose to be a drop out with no background of genetic history of significance was actually the son of the most powerful warrior of his time and one of the most powerful female warriors of her time
>Turns out he was actually prophesied mesiah who would save the world
>Turns out everything, from the rivalry and friendship between main characters to their power was just fate and genetics
>Only villians without magic eyes were Zabuza and Orochimaru which stopped being relevant after first 180 chapters
How could a series can go this wrong?
>>139279508
>How could a series can go this wrong
I don't know, you explain me
>>139279508
>Started as a shounen that favored intelligence
>>139279508
Wait, so are you saying they put midichlorians in Naruto?
And a low grunt was just about to defeat the messiah. Such a great hero.
>>139279508
I figuratively feel for you.By which I mean I don't actually feel for you at all.
>>139279508
Even Destiny need hard work. Not everybody can sit in their genetics like Ying side in Naruto.
>>139279777
>Such a great trap.
ftfy
>>139279508
>except for the monster locked inside of him which caused him great disadvantage rather than being a triumph card
The kid won all of his fights thanks to that monster stuck up his ass
>Series whole philosophy was about hard work could beat or atleast rival/equal genetic superiority.
Rock Lee would like a word.
>>139280221
>The kid won all of his fights thanks to that monster stuck up his ass
Are we talking about Trans Venus?
>Hyuuga are supposed to be the strongest clan in Konoha
>Their special power is 360 degree x-ray vision
>Neji is an unparalleled genius who learned the Hyuugas greatest technique, a spin
>300 chapters later the Sharingan can predict peoples movements, copy their abilities, shoot black fire that cannot be extinguished, place people in a time distorting prison of their own mind, create an invincible energy skeleton to shield the user, literally warp reality to cheat death, create a pocket dimension and warp people to it and probably other things I'm forgetting
Why do I get the feeling that Kishimoto was self inserting as Sasuke?
>>139279508
Why didn't Kakashi just Zap Zabuza with Lightning?
Why'd he do the Bond thing of trying to out do Zabuza at his own game?
>>139279508
>Started as a shounen that favored intelligence over raw brutality
>MC had an absurdly overpowering tech from the very beginning which he could abuse at reckless abandon until the plot decides that he's out of energy
>>139280343
Someone is a salty jobber eye fan
>>139280370
Power creep. Zabuza was actually a credible threat to Kakashi back then
>>139280343
Sasuke is Kishimoto's brother's insert
Naruto is Kishimoto's self-insert
The entire story is a metaphor for how Kishimoto wants to nut his talented but less succesful brother
>>139280343
Just imagine for bullshit Neji's eyes must've been if they're superior to Sharingan eyes. Guess they just never tried figuring out all the bullshit you could pull off.
![orangoutan[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2VEniSA.jpg "orangoutan[1].jpg")
>>139279508
>tfw Naruto is hokage and only knows like 5 techniques
>half of those techniques he hardly even trained, they were practically given to him
>>139280259
He was presented as someone incredibly strong that even Sasuke with his Sharingan out couldn't beat.
>>139280527
>tfw Sarutobi was called the professor because he knew every ninja technique from the village
>only uses basic natural release techs and summoning
>>139280527
What does hokage do besides sit around
>>139280774
>tfw Sarutobi was called the 'God of Ninja'
>Beat the First and Second at once
>Gets retconned so the First Hokage is the 'God of Ninja'
>Both the First and Second are retconned into being gods
>Sarutobi now the weakest Hokage by far
>>139279508
>Series whole philosophy was about hard work could beat or atleast rival/equal genetic superiority.
Is there a shonen series? Protagonist without gift, just hard work? The only one that comes to my mind is Hinomaru Zumou.
>>139281160
Medaka Box
>>139279917
The show went shit when they stopped doing this hand seal stuff.
>>139281265
Ajimu gave Zen parasite seeing, though.
>>139281160
What? He was gifted, he was completely dominating people until puberty handed him the short straw
>>139281160
In Shaman King the character has sort of a promised origin but it doesn't help him at all and he's so bellow the final rival that he literally has no chance of defeating him fairly at any point. They have special things that make the main characters better than the rest but it never ends up keeping them up for too long. The main strength the MC has is just not giving a fuck and dealing with shit as it comes.
>>139281370
Also Wakusei no Samidare doesn't have a clearly structured power level chain and the characters have to design their own broken powers starting from a really basic concept.
>>139281160
Bakuman. Although it's not exactly battle shounen, but it does progress as one, just mentally replace drawing manga with training and super attack as ratings and you have the same formula, where protagonist doesn't have anything special about him and goes on entirely through his hard work.
>>139281428
More like their power levels are decided by their own physical/mental traits. Exceptions would be Samidare through obvious reasons and Cat and Owl where their powers were wished for or given.
>>139279508
>Naruto with 9 tails wrecks mirror kid
>Kakashi's eyehax wrecks big sword fodder ninja
>>139281534
It foreshadowed how the rest of the series would go. Eyehax and Tailed best
>i kill you
>it was a clone xDDD
>now i kill you instead
>it was a clone xDDD
>intelligence
>>139279508
>Turns out the main character who was suppose to be a drop out with no background of genetic history of significance was actually the son of the most powerful warrior of his time
Any with at least half a brain could tell Naruto was the son of the 4th Hokage. In fact, I'd completely forgotten it was suppose to be a mystery and thought it was just common knowledge.
>Series whole philosophy was about hard work could beat or atleast rival/equal genetic superiority.
Good thing I dropped it before Shippuden.
>>139281160
The only thing Ippo got genetically is his huge dick.
>>139281160
Most of the Mc's in anime are a combination of gifted and hard workers. In OP Luffy have a fruit but he trained like 10 years to control it, in Haikyuu Hinata is just a piece of shit that runs fast at the beggining of the series, in HxH Gon isn't gifted per se, he just have great talent that he exploits with hard training
>>139281522
But the majority of the team has the same starter power and use in different ways. Even the MC does something completely unrelated but he connects it somehow to the root power.
I don't know, it's not vital to enjoy the series but it was an idea I really liked.
>>139281759
Shonen anime*
>>139281160
Dragonball kindof counts, Goku was a member of the strongest race but was a lowly grunt and below average strength for children
>>139281822
He was pretty much retconned into being genetically predestined to be stronger.
>>139281782
Same starter power type, yeah. But the power behind it is based on their physical strength. That's why they all underwent training in some way.
>>139281710
Are we talking about Hajime no Ippo?
>>139281870
And eventually their physical strength becomes as much of a factor as the powers, probably even more. It had the comfiest training arcs I've ever read.
>>139281710
Ippo has the opposite problem though, where he doesn't fundamentally change as a character at all.
>>139281281
He gave that back though. And all he really used it for was to confirm Ajimu was secretly EVIL after looking at people through her eyes.
>>139279508
God tier:
>Land of Waves arc
>Sasuke Recovery arc
>Kazekage Rescue arc
Great tier:
>Chuunin Exams arc
>Konoha Crush arc
>Akatsuki Suppression arc
>Pain's Assault arc
Good tier:
>Search for Tsuande arc
>Itachi Pursuit arc
>Jiraiya vs Pain arc
>Itachi vs Sasuke arc
Shit tier:
>Five Kage Summit arc
Oh shit nigger what are you doing tier:
>Entire Fourth Shinobi World War
>>139282071
Shiranui changed it Model Zenkichi. He didn't give it back.
>>139282131
Really? My bad. That was what gave him the war form thing he used at the start of the Jet Black Wedding that made his hair turn black right? Doesn't that mean he has two Abnormalities by the end of the series, with Devil Style and Model Zenkichi? Still, I'd say he works the hardest from any shonen protag I can think of, given he starts and sorta ends the series as a Normal.
>>139282186
Everyone ends the series as a Normal aside from the exceptions.
>>139282006
What about Takamura? Biggest bullshit character ever.
>>139282305
But the only fights we see are the ones in which he goes against someone of his provervial size.
>>139282215
I wasn't referring to that. I meant the culmination of the final arc but before the timeskip epilogue. He never had any "hidden skill awakening" or anything. The two powers he was given, one does nothing but hinder him and the other he didn't really do anything with, given he only really fought Nienami.
>>139281759
>Luffy
Haki
>Hinata
True but thats sports anime
>Gon
High Nen, genetic from greatest and worst dad
>>139282102
>>Kazekage Rescue arc
>that bullshit Sakura Chiyo vs Sasori fight
If my memory serves right, there were seven places where Sasori could have secured his victory but didn't because Kishi is shit. Five-nine years ago I would be able to list them all with explanations off the top of my head.
Other than that, agree.
>>139282325
He fucking always wins and it pisses me of.
>>139282555
He's meant to be an inspiring figure for Ippo, his role isn't to grow.
>>139280847
>Sarutobi
>weakest
>not Kakashi
>>139281822
>strongest race
The average Saiyan is below Yamcha level.
>>139282648
But above average human level.
>>139282555
Good job missing the point of his character. It would be shit writing if he lost now. The problem are his opponents and the way fights go, not the fact he's winning.
>>139281160
It's from a Sports anime but still
>>139281710
According to the latest chapter his fists have advantage since he was born with plain and short fingers that distribute the hit impacts better
>>139282954
This is Naruto all over again except slower.
Japan vs Mexico all weight-classes war in 2000th chapter.
>>139281160
Mikumo from WT.
>>139279917
Fucking taringa póster, go back to your shithole
>>139282697
what? i have read Slam Dunk and Sakuragi was a fucking genius. I remember him dunking in first chap and got people shocked because of his potential.
>>139279538
They had tactics.
>6 Naruto threads in catalog
GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY
The frustrating part about this shit is a rewrite could actually make it good.
A heavy rewrite, but all the pieces are there.
>>139282102
I feel like the Chuunin Exam arc is too large to just be considered whole sale. Like, the forest of death and most of the preliminary fights were great, but the exam and most of the finals were shit.Shikimaru vs Tsunade being the exception, it was great.
>>139284177
>Shikimaru vs Tsunade
>>139284238
How embarrassing.
I meant Temari.
>>139284305
Why is Temari best Sand Sibling,and second best girlafter Ino?
>>139284156
I'm always surprised nobody has made an actual abridged version of Naruto. Cut out all/most flashbacks and tactic explanations and you'll have a mostly watchable show.
I remember seeing a Gaara/Lee fight that was cut down to just the fighting and it was fantastic.
>>139284373
Do one better and just string all the Ho1-Ho4 lore into a story instead a string of exposition.
>>139279508
Don't forget that the main character turned out to have his own clan with genetic inborn powers of his very own, just like all his peers
>>139279508
>Only villians without magic eyes were Zabuza and Orochimaru which stopped being relevant after first 180 chapters
Orochimaru continued to be relevant through Kabuto. He also got away with everything
>>139282954
Just read it, this is so bullshit
All that hard work just to hear "yeah some people just have better fists, deal with it"
>>139284373
>cut out tactic explanations
Fucking why, the best part of Naruto vs Kiba was Sakura realizing that Naruto is actually a pretty good tactician when he applies himself. That's literally all we want from Naruto, real tactics instead of just punching face.
>I remember seeing a Gaara/Lee fight that was cut down to just the fighting and it was fantastic.
Gaara vs Lee was probably the best-paced fight in the series.
>>139284535
>He also got away with everything
You forgot to post the picture.
>>139282697
Sakuragi had the gift of being huge for a Jap kid
>>139283418
And proceeded to chocke himself in every single match after that until he decided to get serious about sports 10 volumes in.
>>139282102
Move the tsunade arc to shit and ur good
>>139284305
>>139284177
Shikamaru v Temari gave me a strategy boner
>>139284362
Adult Ino is gorgeous
>>139282102
Where does Sasuke getting bodied by Killer Bee fit into this? Because that was a high point.
>>139284799
All Ino is gorgeous
>>139284938
>those abs
>that venus crease
>>139280847
This
>Old fucks are small time, children are out future - Azuma
>jk lol old fuckers are literally gods, children are small time
>>139284992
>children are small time
Except for the two that become Ninja Jesus
>>139285078
Because they were using the powers of the Oldest of all Fucks.
>>139281160
World Trigger
>>139281160
not shonen, but if you want a female example there's Haruka Haruno from GoPri. And she doesn't have the reincarnation stuff that Sailor Moon didthough Usagi is still a great character don't get me wrong
So, since when /a/ let Naruto threads alive and kicking for this long? Multiple threads, no less. I don't want to bump the one that already in the bottom.
>>139285335
We can have nauto threads if we don't talk about naruto in them.
>>139285335
Since moot said Naruto belongs on /a/
Also since it ended, I guess, NS fags were on suicide watch
>>139282064
He has the gift of eternal youth. He doesn't count.
>>139284362
Because you like blondes
>>139285452
Never forget
http://imgur.com/a/XKwJ4#231
>>139279508
>>Started as a shounen that favored intelligence over raw brutality
I especially liked early Naurto combat because I hated Dragonball fights even as a kid. Muh power levels.
Oh well.
>>139285575
The salt is endless. I didn't care who ended up with who, even when I cared about Naruto.
>>139285575
Still the best
>>139285730
>They have Naruto wearing a scarf Hinata knitted. OK...
>Just look at this picture with Hinata watching the horizon and sunset. There is Naruto next to her, I'm almost sure. There is another shot with the same colors.
>I get the feeling in this shot Hinata is accepting Naruto's feelings for Sakura. and Naruto is surprised.
The delusion is delicious
>>139285575
I wonder how many committed sudoku
>>139285730
jesus
>>139285730
How was the movie?
I never got around to watching it?
>>139285730
jfc
>>139285730
>shipperfags on suicide watch
so there is justice in this world
>>139285991
It was basically the anime staff writing Naruhina fanfiction because Kishimoto is too shy to write romance so he gave them full control. Still a good movie, though the final fight was crazy even for shonen standards.
>>139284373
I'm trying to find this but all Im getting are shitty AMV's, got a link ?
>>139286132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukkTndTuoQ
Music is shit, but at least it's not Linkin Park.
>>139285991
Depends on how much you like Hinata
Because its literally "That Ship Becomes Canon: The Movie"
I watched it for the absurdity ofNinjas on the moon
We turned into over powered niggas throwing energy balls at each other.
>>139284373
Honestly Lee v Gaara has one of my favorite bits of dialogue from the series
>The lotus of the Leaf Village blooms twice!
>Wait a minute...Guy, please tell me you didn't...
>I did.
>Then why?! The Reverse Lotus is a forbidden technique for its debilitating effect on the user! It tops the list of moves you shouldn't teach!
>He has the talent for it...
>I don't care how much talent he has, you've taught him something horribly dangerous! Look, Guy, I won't pretend I know how much this kid means to you, and I'll spare us both the lecture about not being governed by our feelings, but you've crossed a line here.
>>139284373
littlekuriboh kind of did one, but he's lazy/suicidal and only got as far as the bridge arc. Now he just makes vlogs about not killing himself and the occasional mock wrestling blog (that was supposed to be weekly, but... depression).
>>139284535
>>139286454
>littlekuriboh kind of did one, but he's lazy/suicidal and only got as far as the bridge arc. Now he just makes vlogs about not killing himself and the occasional mock wrestling blog (that was supposed to be weekly, but... depression).
No he means like a Naruto Kai.
But yeah I wish LK would make a new channel for the depression stuff
>>139282529
>>139282529
Danzo could have used Kotoamatsukami for instant win
If Naruto had gotten to Konoha before Pein demolished it, he'd have gotten instagibbed by a non-nerfe'd Pein
Orochimaru could have killed the Sandaime with minimal effort
Obito could at any point in the series except the end, killed everyone standing in his way
With one blow to the heart like he tried to Hinata, Neji would have beaten Naruto
This happened in almost everyimportant fight in the series
>>139282607
Without the Sharingan to drain his chakra, they are on par
>>139284834
Kage summit?
>>139284745
Best boy became best mom
>>139286599
>Kage summit?
Kage summit was when he got no-sold by A. Killer Bee was before that
>>139286430
It's specially good since just a shonen fighter being against the ropes after his final attack saying something like "The lotus of the Leaf Village blooms twice!" is the kind of shit that gets you all exited, and adding the classic "how could you teach him THAT" reinforces it.
Incredibly generic, but it worked perfectly when I watched it.
>>139286644
The way it's framed is also pretty cool. Kakashi implies pretty heavily that he's not really one to talk when it comes to staying frosty and not letting your feelings get in the way of your responsibilities. And it's less "you broke the rules" and more "I'm disappointed in you as a friend"
>>139286629
Itachi vs Sauce then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Luq8k4Msvg
Still my favorite OST track
>>139286580
>Hokage-sama! It seems Orochimaru has a child! And worse that child is enrolled in the Leaf's academy and just passed the final exams to become a gennin, doushio?!
>Huh? Oh i dunno throw him on Bort and Salad's team I guess.
>You want me to throw the kid whose dad almost killed you and wanted to body-jack your best friend, on a team with your and his kids?
>Sure why not?
>And this team is led by your own student, who if you remember watched Orochimaru straight up murder his beloved grandfather.
>What could go wrong?
>>139286890
No, because Sasuke joined up with Akatsuki after Itachi died
>>139286890
Orochimaru is a cuter girl than Tsunade
>>139286966
This is one of the reasons why I just laugh at Naruto's ending. The only reason any of his bullshit philosophy hold sway is because he's miles beyond everyone else in power. The moment he dies, everything's going to shit and the cycle of violence will begin anew.
>>139286890
Orochimaru's theme was GOAT.
His fight with Sasuke is one of the best in the whole series, "I CAN SEE!" aside.
>>139286968
I had to look it up
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Fated_Battle_Between_Brothers
>>139287043I agree
Honestly I would have preffered for the spinoff to be about these three than Bort and Salad. Like we could have seen if Orochimaru was sold out by the Thrid to save face after greenlighting the spooky ninja CIA human experimentatio. It's okay, a Mitsuki is fine too.
>>139286599
orochimaru is the best mommy 2kforever
>>139287152
So that's why his spirit animal was the snake?
Deepest lore
>>139280343
The Hyuga clan was never mean to be relevant. Kishi was just hyping Naruto's rival of the week. Well, Neji has an interesting backstory but as usual, Kishi didn't do shit with it but I guess that doesn't matter because muh eugenics, amirite
