http://mantan-web.jp/2016/03/28/20160328dog00m200024000c.html
So even Aniplex and other big producers are now acknowledging that the anime BD/DVD market has suffered a severe downturn and they are looking to go after Fujoshi and alternative distribution methods to keep turning a profit. I mean the latter was obvious from Anime Japan 2016 announcements but if even Aniplex is suffering or at least feels they are suffering the case for the rest of the industry most be absolutely dire cause they're about the only ones still making money off of that market besides maybe Bandai Visual with their Love Lives, GuPs and merchandise factories. Maybe they should scale back on the mass advertising a bit too cause it looks like they're spending far too much on it for not a whole lot of return of late. Aldnoah.Zero comes to mind.
The article also acknowledges the explosion of movie related content and trilogies planned for 2016-2017 as a way for producers to get around the BD market collapse and in effect double dip on box office and what BD revenue they can scrounge up and that a focus on product sales as well as things that are "guaranteed to make money" is paramount at this point in time. They also said even this might not be enough to stave off incoming disasters and revenue shortfalls though but merely offset it.
Basically what this means is that what Anno and some other industry insiders said about 2016 and the start of an impending collapse is kind of coming to pass slowly but surely if not entirely in the way he predicted. A lot of all of this is casually observable to those who are paying attention (Like the fact that the industry is going after guaranteed sales hard and trying even more than usual to minimize risk in the last year or two) but a lot of it is also first confirmation of just how dire things are looking right now for the BD/DVD market from a key distributor.
TL;DR
>The anime industry will crash and be reborn as a better product in my lfietime.
Thank you based god.
>>139245713
>>The anime industry will crash and be reborn
That already happened a few times. For better or worse.
The industry already became stale, almost collapsed and then changed in the past. Why people think this time will be different?If anything, I'd say that this crisis is a good thing because it'll make companies leave their comfort zone.
>>139245640
You got the short version of it there buddy
>>139246168
Well there's several eras. Before Gundam and Yamato the industry figured the only possible model was toy commercials aimed specifically at children and that was all that it could ever be. Then that jump started the teenage/adult otaku wing of anime based around merch. In the mid 2000's you really started to see the late night anime market take off with it being proven that you could sell massively overpriced DVD's to moe otaku that would virtually guaranteed make your business profitable at only several thousand copies and that caused the explosion in light novel adaptations aimed primarily at teen audiences looking for escapist fantasies that resembled a better version of how they saw their own lives. Now that audience is kind of starting to grow up or move into other areas of escapism like the smart phone game market or F2P browser games and the anime industry is trying to follow them there a little and change the model yet again from the BD one that clearly isn't working as a guaranteed return like it used to. What confuses me is why we still haven't seen a reduction in the number of anime being produced yet to match this new status quo. It just strikes me as kind of suicidal
fujo pandering isn't going to save them either. Producing so many shows with the same purpose at the same time is just going to cause the fujo to invest in maybe two or three shows which may be a hit while everything else is a mediocre/low sales.
>>139246599
I think it often works because fujoshows are more varied. I am not talking about direct BL stuff but series that are popular among fujo crowds.
There are too many limits and rules you have to abide to make an anime likeable for otaku whereas series like Osumatsu, Tiger and Bunny, Free and so on have barely anything in common. Hell, many fujo series even have guy as main characters that are married (with women of course) or have children. For otaku on the other side everything is just about waifu wars and purity, you can't even vary the age of the females since anime with 20+ year olds don't sell with otaku, same with loli.
>>139246585
Do you think the industry could recover from that and become better again like it did after NGE?
In my opinion, the problem is that companies have difficult selling anime. If at least half of the people who watch anime paid for anything anime related the industry would be making a good profit now.
>>139246863
Paying for anime is not worth it anymore with all the piracy and legal streaming.
The BD/DVD of a show is just a minimal part of the whole packaging (which nowadays include lottery tickets, key sheets, production books and other collectibles).
I'll take fujo pandering over endless cookie cutter moeblob shit every fucking season in the meantime; fujosit may be shit, but at least there's some variation in the form it takes, unlike moeblob. Sometimes fujobait is even decent, whereas moeblob is always terrible.
Hopefully anime will crash and burn, and from the ashes it will emerge more beautiful than ever, like a phoenix.
>>139246863
Aren't there enough who buy manga? We get so many new series in Germany that I can't even keep up. It's only profitable for adaptions though, but still.
>invest more in fujopandering
>good fujo-oriented show like Rakugo flopped hard
>that means industry will only make more spokons
Why should I give a shit anymore?
>>139245620
>fujo-pandering
holy fucking double standards batmanwhy do you care
>>139246986
As far as I know, manga is popular while anime, I mean the kind of anime that /a/ cares about, is considered niche. Just look at the numbers that the best selling manga makes and compare with the best selling anime, the difference is massive.
>>139245620
Anime industry is making more money than ever.
It's nothing strange that women are getting more series now since they are a large part of anime fanbase and were kind of ignored most of the time.
>>139247075
Just to add, I meant that manga is popular and anime is niche in Japan, it's the opposite in the west.
>>139247075
Manga is cheap, we're talking about 4-5$ for a volume compared to 50-60$ for a two episode BD.
>>139247075
Cute bullshit. More people read manga yes, but anime otaku are also more obsessive about their hobby and spend more money on it.
Love Live made more money than One Piece in 2015. Madoka did the same in 2011 and 2012.
And One Piece is by far the #1 manga.
they need to make the extras more appealing in blurays, because what you get right now is shit. Like endcards and maybe a CD? Sure there's retailer specific bonuses but there needs to be more.
>>139245713
It already did in 2008 - 2010.
>>139246967
There must be a way to make people pay for anime that doesn't involve having to spend so much money on a fucking BD. The porn industry is the one that most suffers from piracy and even it found a way to make people pay for its products, so it shouldn't be impossible for the anime industry to do the same.(I know porn is a million times more mainstream than anime, it was just a example).
>>139245620
>anime revenue is going down
I love this meme.
>>139246585
>What confuses me is why we still haven't seen a reduction in the number of anime being produced yet to match this new status quo. It just strikes me as kind of suicidal
It's kind of a doom loop. There is only a small fanbase who can only buy so much each season (maybe two series) but 40+ anime plus airing anime of the season before like Osumatsu right now. So on the one hand they need to meet the otaku standards to make shit sell, but on the other hand they'd need to actually make anime that aren't pandering otaku to get a bigger fanbase but this doesn't happen at once. So they'd have to do tons of non-otaku series that don't sell till the more casual people would pick anime up again but of course they don't want to create any non-profit series so they just dig their own hole by doing more stereotypical otaku stuff but even they only casually sell since there are too many of them airing at the same time. I think making more movies would be a start to tell the masses of people that anime isn't just NEET fap material.
>>139247329
In 95-97 too.
>>139247349
>>139247413
>2015
>record high
Anime industry suffered during the international crisis. Now it's making more money than ever.
What role do seiyuu play in this?
>>139247189
Not really. Well yeah, popular yes, but nobody here buys anime whereas manga sell really well. They make almost no money with BDs though, I've actually never seen anybody buying or owning them aside of two people maybe but even they only bought their two absolute favorite series.
It feels like the industry is massively over-inflated right now. Dozens of shitty studios pumping out shitty anime with resulting shitty sales.
If half of the studios folded and the other stopped spreading themselves so thin, it would be a lot better.
Going after fujobucks isn't actually going to help - fujoshi still don't have anywhere as large a variety of shows targeted at them as otaku do, when they have two dozen series each season to chose from, there won't be anywhere near as many fujoshi-fueled hits.
Man who the fuck cares? What happens happens.
Be it whatever doomsday foretelling of the industry /a/ is going to spam every other week or when all hell break's loose come 2020, it doesn't really matter.
>>139247287
Didn't One piece sold 300 million volumes worldwide or something like that?I have a hard time believing that selling 60k BDs equates to this. Or are you saying that Madoka only made more money than OP in 2011?In this case, you're comparing the year of release of one of the most successful anime of all time with a series that was already a decade old.
>>139247504
>shitty sales
That's why LL and Ososhit broke 100k right?
It's like people don't know that in the 90's you had 10-12 TV anime per season. With half of them for little kids.
Today every season has around 50 TV anime.
Faggot here, im okay with this as long as it isnt otomeshit
>>139246969
I feel the cookie cutter moeblob crap is animated a lot is because the studios don't want to go animate source material that is more complex then that but stuff they are still familiar with.
>>139246825
>There are too many limits and rules you have to abide to make an anime likeable for otaku
Did the male otaku just fucking fail as a fanbase?
>>139247500
That's the problem with anime in the west. It's very popular but no one pays for it.
Doesn't anime stream sites make at least a decent amount of money?
>>139247591
Tip: for large franchises like OP or Madoka the vast majority of profits are not disc/manga sales. It's merchandise.
I doubt the industry is going to die but it certainly is going to taper off and reach its peak.
The amount of anime per season is crazy and that'll probably average out in a few years or so. Shit's oversaturated.
>>139247611
Reading comprehension, dude.
>>139247636
It's because publishers pay them to make low budget LN adverts. That's all.
Oh. I didn't realize it was time for another thread where we all talk out of our asses and talk about things we know nothing about.
What did Anno said exactly?
>>139247692
I would assume that One Piece sells a shiton of merchandise as well.
>>139247793
>projecting this hard
There will be a lot of duds if anime producters start focusing on fujo/otomeshit.
Female otaku buy a lot, but focus on a few hits. They don't spread their sales, and a lot of shows will just cannibalize sales.
Not that I care anyway.
I really wish pandering to woman would mean more female protags.
Why it isn't the case.
>>139247634
This.
Otomeshit is the actual opposite of haremshit, not fujoshi anime.
>>139246969
This. Moeblob anime is just so uninspired and when it's not vapid nonsense like say, Croisee, it sells like shit.
>>139247897
>I really wish pandering to woman would mean more female protags.
>Why it isn't the case.
That used to be the case back in the old 70s shoujo manga
Nowadays if Rose of Vesailles were published today, it would have been seinen
There can only be growth through suffering, the industry will never evolve or change as long as otakus keep them at life saving mode. Now they will be forced to change and take risks, which is a good thing.
>>139245620
Is this the first time Aniplex-kun has made a thread himself?
>>139246825
>There are too many limits and rules you have to abide to make an anime likeable for otaku
The anime producer put up those rules themselves. Nobody ever said that only one type of female character was ever allowed.
>>139247659
Just watch the stuff that sells among otaku. The rules are always the same, pure girls, no former or other relationships than with MC, varied hair colors and -dere stereotypes and usually even an open end without a clear pairing or else the fans of the other pairings would drop the shit. It's also always school shit, sometimes with sci-fi, battle and/or, more rare, mecha or reincarnationshit of some NEET fag.
>>139247897
There's a lot of female protags in anime though.
>>139247691
Crunchy has 750k subs paying $6.95 a month as of a 5 months ago, which is about $60M per year. You also have Funi, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime paying for licenses.
For comparison, I think a cour usually costs about $1.5 - $5M depending on quality
>>139248043
I mean as an MC.
>>139247983
Or josei
>>139248062
This seems like a decent amount of money, but it's difficult to know how much the actual anime studios take out of this.
They should start pandering to wider audiences.
It need to happens.
>>139247922
What would be the male equivilant of pantsu shots?
>>139248105
I also meant as MCs. Out of all things, I think that lack of female MCs was never a problem for a anime.
>>139248062
I think the absolute roof for a twelve-episode cour is around 3-3.5M USD for stuff like SEED and Dennou Coil.
>implying you idiots know what the actual fujo/femotaku equivalent of haremshit and moeshit is
Niggers. It ain't fucking Tiger and Bunny. It ain't fucking Samurai Flamenco. Certain sportshit. Maybe. But it's definitely not Osomatsu of all things. Those are exceptions to the rule.
If you want seasons to be actually inundated with that shit then expect five iterations of something in the same levels of Meganebu, horrid otomeshit adaptations, and genuine gay shit like Love Stage where its filled with the same shitty melodramatic tropes as your average romance --- except with more rape.
>>139247853
There are already a shitton of duds. They should try having more variety and shows that can catch larger audiences. But they'll just shoot themselves in the foot.
Pretty sure the anime industry is actually making more money than ever, it's just the BD market is declining. That physical media is dying out shouldn't be surprising.
>>139248141
How do they even distrubute it? I guess everyone just gets the same amount and it doesn't even matter which anime are popular and get watched and clicked the most.
>>139248214
We'll never get the female equivalent of haremshit flooding anime, because they're too busy adapting those into dorama.
America will save Anime. AmazonPrime is basically funding Noitamina now. Funimation co-produced Dimension W. Netflix is funding anime. Cartoon Network is funding anime. Crunchy partially funded Kiznaiver.
>>139248009
No.
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/138946020/#138946020
>>139248285
What's weird is that 2015 actually had the largest portion of 10k+ hits in a few years (I don't have the data on my phone, but I remember it as 12.5%), so everyone saying the market is dying or whatever seems to have actually missed the bus and is only reacting now when the market has already moved to adjust its content and is rebounding.
>>139248214
this desu desu
>>139248300
shoujo is mostly read by normie girls, their magazines have fashion/dating tips and general girl magazine stuff. there are a few magazines more focused on girl otaku, but all the big shoujo magazines have a primary normie audience. shounen jump and shounen sunday also have normie audiences, but little kids watch their anime adaptations.
>>139246969
That is not the point.
The point is that no one wants to buy BDs and DVDs anymore, and the only ones still buying it are the fujos
>>139248403
>normie
Fuck off.
>>139248298
The studio probably sells the rights of its anime to the streamer site. The value that the steamer site pays to be able to put the anime on it probably depends on how popular and profitable said show actually is.
>>139248192
Are you serious?
I'm not talking about all those ALL CUTE GIRL SOLs. I enjoy those very much, but I'm talking about action or mecha anime, or shonen style stories, those never have female MCs.
Let's not even talk about LN and their adaptation.
>>139248214
Thanks for reminding me that I was actually drunk enough to marathon Dramatic Murder and fucking Bakumatsu Rock.
Holy shit what was I thinking.
>>139248214
Fujosportshit are all the same archetypes and plots but with different sports. I always thought of it as the equivalent.
>>139245620
>selling the same shit over and over again killed the market
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT
>>139246969
Moeblobs have been in decline for ages, they were replaced by generic LNshit which is thankfully showing signs of decline now.
There's always gonna be that bad side to the anime industry, I don't see why anyone should give a shit if it keeps some studios on life support and means you get the odd good thing from them. DEEN are a good example of this, year after year they turn out nothing but shit, then occasionally you get something good like last season.
>>139248439
Yeah but the problem is that the popularity can't really be estimated if the anime just started and that popularity is different in Japan and the West. There were a lot of anime that were unpopular there but watched by almost any animefan and even normalfags in the west.
>>139248517
at least half of the fujosports start as shounen.
kurobas, haiq, that upcoming soccer anime, that upcoming rugby anime
>>139248212
I thought I heard something about Sunrise just throwing absurd amounts of money at 00 and having it be 45m jpy per epsisode
but yeah the production costs might be cheaper than what I said, especially if it's some budget studio like DEEN
>>139247659
>male entitlement privilege
>>139247897
So you want more otome game adaptations and shoujoshit?
>>139248442
>shounen style stories
Fighting manga for middle-school boys are going to have male protagonists and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>139248559
Doesn't matter, they are all generic as hell.
>>139248583
>>male entitlement privilege
I'm saying male otaku should be demanding an expanded scope of their cute girls in larger areas especially ones that are rarely take in the anime medium
>>139248559
>fujosports
this is like females who watch nfl are just shipping the guys fuck off
>>139247897
Females want males just as male fans want female characters.
>>139248640
>>shounen style stories
>Fighting manga for middle-school boys are going to have male protagonists and there's nothing you can do about it.
Because obviously middle-school boys would feel less manly watching a show starring a girl
>>139248677
>equating sports anime/manga to sports
>thinking people watch for the sports
Please, anon, you're delusional if you really don't think PoT or Kuroko's fanbases are full of fujos.
Upcoming fujosports anime:
>Days
>All Out!
>Battery
>Cheer Boys
>Yuri on Ice
>Haikyuu s3
I never understood the whole "we don't like it so its shit" ideology /a/ perpetuates.
If the industry pandered to lolifags would you be fine with that? Because it already does and you don't hear us complaining.
All types of fans should have content made for them. Stop bitching.
Looking at Madhouse should give you a good idea of how the industry is declining in this last decade.
>>139248726
Well, that's how middle school boys are like. They are the worst audience.
>>139248442
There are hundreds of shoujos, joseis and other anime with female protagonists out there. shonens don't have many females because they're specifically marketed towards teenage boys.
Can you imagine the reception if fucking Slam Dunk aired in this day and age? I don't want to.
>>139248950
Problem is shoujo/josei barely even gets adapted into anime, even when it's 100k+ seller.
>>139248726
Pretty much. That and just a lack of interest, same as if they made all the protagonists fifty-year-old men.
Daisuki is the future. The nips are just bad at marketing, it should be bigger than crunchy roll with some changes.
>>139248863
This chart is missing OPM and Cassern sins.
>>139248330
>>75% of this thread is the same guy arguing with himself
>Just what the fuck is his problem? Holy shit.
Holy shit how did I miss that post, if only he knew.
>>139248848
>we don't like it so its shit
There is literally no difference. Objective quality doesn't exist.
>All types of fans should have content made for them. Stop bitching.
No, what? That's retarded. There are fans who want explicit bara sex, I don't particularly want them to have content made for them. I want the industry to be full of things I like, not things I don't like. Why does this seem difficult to understand to you?
>>139248794
I've visited the threads for some sports anime on here and i barely see anyone posting about there ships
>>139248863
Obvious cherrypicking.
>>139248675
I agree, and I noticed eroges seems to get away with it much more easily for some reason, even story-ge
I don't get why there's such a big difference between the regular anime otaku market and peoples who read VNs who often has much more varied characters.
>>139249103
>/a/
>Japanese disc-buying fanbase
>>139249007
>all the protagonists fifty-year-old men
That shit would be glorious.
>>139248863
>910 years
>6 years
>5 years
What the fuck are you even doing?
>>139249184
Fuck, 10 years.
>>139249083
At least you tried.
>>139247692
>there are people who waste their money on anything that's not the original work
>this board is full of them
Disgusting, they should be locked in labor camps.
>>139249223
>bait image
Sasuga shitposter. Keep up your delusions that everyone has to be a selfless saint who wants other people to get their shows. I like it when there's content I like.
>>139249083
Nobody cares, you poorfag.
>>139249104
>Implying the content Madhouse used to make isn't infinitely better than what they do now
>>139249470
>implying that chart isn't cherrypicking
>>139248141
>>139248298
>>139248439
http://otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/
>Publishers get the majority of the money [from your subscription] and they’re very happy with what they’re getting.
>If you watch just Naruto, your subscription money goes toward supporting that show. If you watch more than one show, the money is split proportionately among those shows depending on which ones you watch the most.
>>139249154
>older fans find something to relate to
>fujoshi get hot dads and big muscles
>little boys get role models
we need more cool anime dadspreferably with a hot anime mom to go with them.
>>139249470
>>139249470
If anything, doesn't that image implies that MH was more successful between 2005-2015 than 1995-2004?
Start by eliminating shit like pic related from existence. There is like 20 or 30 of these every single year now and its disgusting. Same with slice of life shit.
tl;dr Can't wait for my favorite sword
>>139249811
Fuck wrong pic but it still applies I guess. Typical Moe garbage art is horrendous.
>>139249685
Doesn't it cost like 5 dollars a month?
Considering that most animefags watch ~10 shows or something that's probably nothing if it gets split proportionately.
>>139245620
Maybe if they lowered BD prices and sold them with subs.
>>139249811
just next season are like 6, this need to stop
>>139249871
I fucking hate it when you can already guess the stereotypes just by looking at the cover.
>>139249836
>>139245620
Post your favourite sword, /a/.
>>139249811
That is slice of life, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>139248677
>this is like females who watch nfl are just shipping the guys
>implying this isn't true
>>139249470
>>139248863
If this is up when I get home I'll give you some nice edits.
I don't care what set of genitalia fictional characters want to play around with, so if the fujos spend their money on actually good shit I don't care. If /a/ is to believed they're buying up stuff like Shingeki no Bahamut and Osomatsu-san so as I see it, our interests are aligned.
>>139249994
Cashew is nice for bully doujins but here a better slut sword
>>139250104
Females who watch NFL are usually shipping themselves with the guy they're watching with.
>>139248726
I can't tell if this was supposed to be sarcasm or not, because it's definitely true.
>>139250047
I just meant to post a different picture with that post.
>>139250178
>they're buying up stuff like Shingeki no Bahamut and Osomatsu-san so as I see it, our interests are aligned.
No one's buying up Shingeki no Bahamut.
Whats a good fujobait (not otomeshit) manga/anime to read/watch?
No. 6 felt boring tbqh senpai
>>139250189
True, that is more common.
>>139249582
>>139250130
I could have added 3 or 4 titles, like OPM, to the 2010 chart but it wouldn't change much. Madhouse used to make things like Tatami Galaxy, Dennou Coil, Kaija and Kaiba, now they make HxH, Death Parade, Parasyte and OPM.
>>139245620
What are your bets of ufotable's Touken airing?
I say about Spring or Summer 2017. It gives on or two seasons break between it and ToZ. If odds that it is just one cour, it gives HF part 1 the rest of the year to be animated then air in 2017 Fall or Winter.
>>139250314
Samurai Flamenco and Tiger and Bunny. Both are super hero shows though so it might not be your cup of tea but they are both truly amazing even without the fujobait. The fujobait is great too though.
>>139249994
>>139249787
Depends on the perspective. They made better movies in 95-2004, but better series in 2005-2015. Also, aside from Trigun the series of 95-2004 are God-tier as well.
>>139250381
>Samflam
>Gay
Memes aside, it drug on after that one season with the kamen rider enemies or whatever
I just couldnt get into tiger and bunny, it was neat but never held my attention
>>139250314
No one cares about Code Geass Akito and it's very good, and should qualify as fujo, it even has female self insert
I wouldn't mind fujoshit if it's always this good.
>>139250367
Spring probably. I think they were already working on the Worms movie for quite a while, not that the first one is complete but they must have something.
There's Touken Hanamaru in october too so the fans won't have to wait too long.
>>139250314
Tiger and Bunny.
>>139250345
>used to make things like Kaiji
They made S2 in 2011.
Anyway, they've had a decline, but it's not remotely the one you're making it out to be. Look at a full list of shows they made from 2005-2011, not just the good ones you remember from the weekly threads they still get. There was a massive amount of trash. Not to mention Madhouse's shifts are mostly about the specific circumstances of the studio and its staff changes than any industry trends.
>>139249910
Even if they tried that to capitalise on the English speaking audience, it still wouldn't add that many new sales when it's easier and cheaper to stream or pirate.
Series that aren't usually considered as fujobait but get bought by fujos nonetheless are those type of anime with some male MC and a bishounen enemy. Tons of series have that and the fujos are always crazy over shipping MC and villain.
>>139250423
Trigun really didn't age well, I agree. To bad it'll likely never get a manga-accurate TriMax remake.
>tfw pic related is actually a thing
>>139250972
I never get why people are mad over this or even assume that the guy on the left, who I believe is the owner of a no-name credited-for-animation-assistance-type studio, is remotely qualified to make anything.
>>139250314
Psycho Pass
Gundam
Code Geass
Why doesn't the mainstream just watch anime? I am not talking about otaku stuff but there are always "normal" anime that could as well be dramas or real life mysteries. Are those fuckers so obsessed with celebshit and 3DPD that they can't enjoy drawn characters even if it's a good story?
>>139251105
Well yeah. These days 2d is associated with cartoons aka for kids.
>>139250466
>qualify as fujo
> it even has female self insert
Another fag who doesn't know what fujo means.
>>139251105
>not talking about otaku stuff
It's all otaku stuff. The myth that somehow only harems and CGDCT is "otaku" material is pretty much retarded. Cartoons that air at one A.M. and sell for $60 per two episodes are aimed at otaku. The stuff that's not for otaku is largely battle shounen, children's shows, and long-running family stuff, which the mainstream does watch.
>>139251105
>Are those fuckers so obsessed with celebshit and 3DPD that they can't enjoy drawn characters even if it's a good story?
Bingo
Beside, most normalfag mind are wired to think anything drawn = kids, or if they know a bit better, drawn + not for kids = hentai.
>>139251197
>I loved you so much I want to kill you
>not fujo
>>139251180
Then why do those faggots watch CGI shit with animals which is aimed at three year olds?
>>139245640
IDSHABBENENEN
>>139250972
funny thing is both have shit pay and animators havent really much say in this either
>>139251328
"It's for all the family"
>>139250972
So?
>>139251295
I am talking about the content. Yeah of course it's aimed at the usual anime crowd in Japan but I fail to see how Monster, OPM or Pingpong and other stuff are explicitely "otaku" when stuff like Monster, for example, could as well be just some life acting mystery series.
>>139251047
> or even assume that the guy on the left, who I believe is the owner of a no-name credited-for-animation-assistance-type studio, is remotely qualified to make anything
This. How many times has someone complained that they aren't being given artistic freedom or whatever because of pandering, when really they're just shit?
Is this means we will get more cute boys doing cute things animu? Because my penis is ready.
>>139245620
>muh fujoshi
Blame it on the rest of otakus not buying shit.
>>139245620
Come to think of it, if that means I'm getting my Sweet Pool adaptation, then all's right with the world.
>>139250233
>I can't tell if this was supposed to be sarcasm or not, because it's definitely true.
It was sarcasm that morphed into a sad truth with a lot of sighing
>>139251694
>a sad truth with a lot of sighing
Nigger, why do you even care if little boys are afraid of cooties?
>>139251105
They enjoy drawn characters in manga, but for some reason there's a stigma on anime, I have no idea why.
With the anime industry being essentially dominated by oversized tits, tsunderes, and loli pandering, I don't see what the big problem is if there are a few more "Female Orientated" Series out there. It's not like they're going to overrun what we already have going.
The only thing I'm seeing with people upset is "N-NO GIRLS ALLOWED. BOYS CLUB ONLY"
>>139251657
It's never going to happen, anon. Unless it's a movie.
>>139251735
I'm actually suspecting it's a tumblrite getting depressed because society reinforces stereotypes or some bullshit like that.
I saw this coming because a version of it already happened in the west. It's what caused CR to rise to prominence.
>>139251765
Anything is fine. I would be even happier with an OVA.
>>139251764
I rather them make an anime that boys and girls can get into which you can still have some fan-service without the plot and characters being shit. What they are doing now is just following the same formula they were doing with the otaku crowd instead with the fujo crowd. Instead of reducing the amount of shows airing they doing quantity over quality. I see only a few hits with everything else being bombing or just barely getting by.
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>>139245620
does that means "cute boys doing cute kebab things" going to have anime adaptation too?
>>139246967
People never bought BDs in order to watch the show, the existence of piracy and streaming doesn't impact that at all really. BDs were always collector's items. The reason they're not selling now is because their value is diminished by how many similar anime exist, there's less need to collect shows. Hell I torrent BD rips for FREE and I've felt little need to bother with adding to my personal archive in recent years because of how inundated the medium has become with similar shows. I can't decide what's worth my time.
>>139251746
Different fanbases I guess. Manga readers are people who, well, actually read while tv fags are the ultimative kind of normalfaggotry compared to which the manga fanbase is just small as fuck.
There are a few cases for which I actually noticed casuals getting into anime. This usually happens when a series breaks a certain popularity point. During the last year I've seen this happening with Fate/UBW, OPM and BokuDake for example. Of course even those aren't pure normalfags but rather the periphery, true normalfags are tv fans and they're beyond redemption, they just want reality shit and 3DPD whores.
>>139252043
>The reason they're not selling now is because their value is diminished by how many similar anime exist, there's less need to collect shows
I don't think that's true, honestly. There's always been a ton of similar stuff, and most of it's always done badly.
>>139251842
>because a version of it already happened in the west
Did it? I never watch anything that's life acting. What happened?
>>139252004
>I see only a few hits with everything else being bombing or just barely getting by.
You know this is basically the core structure of the industry, right?
>>139250972
I can't hate anyone that likes Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou.
>>139252013
What the hell is this? Reverse image search gave me nothing.
>>139252201
YeahI understand that and that why I'm saying the model they are doing is no different from what they are doing before. They want to breathe life into the anime industry without trying to change the core of it.
>>139252243
Probably Altair although this is a guess.
>>139252243
shoukoku no altair
>>139252178
I mean anime already suffered a crisis in the west, in the mid 00s. Overseas sales plummeted and licensing was at an all time low, longtime anime blocks like Toonami were canned, online streaming was soaking up a lot of people's attention.
CR arose from this crisis and the licensing companies underwent a paradigm shift. The new standard that arose from that crisis is simulcasted anime with subtitles. That's how they managed to recover from the collapse of the TV and home video market. Japan it seems is lagging behind because of how dependent most of them still are on home video.
>>139245620
Is thus supposed to be a bad thing?
>>139252358
>>139252368
Thanks. Seems kind of cool.
>>139252351
They're never going to change the core, if by the core you mean churning out lots of average or mediocre shows that mostly sell poorly, because the industry is not capable of producing 150 major hits with artistic ambition a year, or even 50. They do grunt work to make money, and this is how it will always be.
>>139248959
Slam Dunk anime remake would be amazing. Old anime didn't even animate best part of the manga.
>>139252043
>I can't decide what's worth my time.
I think the problem relies on you.
>tfw fujoshit is why Spring is full of action series
Fujos are pretty much the hope Toonami loving normalfags wanted.
>>139245620
The Japanese economy is dying. This year it's expected that the average pay raise will be 3.5%. That's about $13. Per month. Small Wonder they don't have money to buy animu.
>>139249994
Shishio.
>>139251105
For a lot of westerners animation is either for kids or shit like family guy.
>>139252454
yeah its cool alright
>>139252588
There's only like 2 fujo series in the spring lineup that I can recall. Just because something is action oriented doesn't make it a fujo show. They used to make mostly-male action series all the time, long before fujoshi were a targetable demographic.
It's just the industry deciding to shift gears to see if they can catch any sales with manly action stuff since cute girls haven't been performing very well lately. Though given how abysmal Gangsta did I'm not sure this is gonna pan out. Granted Gangsta had lots of problems besides just being very male-heavy.
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>>139252747
fuck forgot the image
>>139252762
>They used to make mostly-male action series all the time
And those nurtured the infant fujoshi fanbase.
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>>139252789
>>139245620
How will they pander to fujos? The shows they latch onto (besides sports) seem too fickle (Fate/Zero, Gintama, Tiger and Bunny, OPM, Osomatsu, etc). I don't see a trend other than "there's more than one male character." As opposed to otaku who seem to be complacent consuming the same formulas and character types over and over.
>>139252830
Probably. But the demographic they were aimed at was teenage boys. Cause they like that stuff. It's why DBZ is still popular with boys all over the world to this day. It's why Jojo still has appeal. It's why battle shounens will never go out of style. It's practically hardwired into teenage boys to like muscley strong guys fighting.
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>>139252454
>>139252747
I believe marketing model with anime as advertisement could continue to work. What the real problem is that the merchandise and original material is barely worth buying.
Look at LN market, it gotten so bad and amateurish, even web fanfics are competing with it.
>>139252894
The industry has had decades of refining their cute girl formulas to the point that they can easily produce something that will net at least some sales. Fujoshi are still a relatively untested market and besides "two guys with a passionate relationship" there's not a lot else to go off of since they've always been a secondary audience up til now.
>>139253046
There's also the fact that full-on BL, which is the easiest thing to streamline or mass-produce, barely exists in anime.
>>139252588
Why is that anyway? Fujos enjoy anything as long is there are some pretty boys in it but otaku stuff is always the same. I am not talking about otomeshit here, nor blatant yaoi stuff, I mean rather neutral series that are liked by fujos and have a bunch of scenes that aren't actually gay but can easily be interpreted that way if you want to.
>>139253187
The harder your fetish is to get, the more satisfied you are with what you have, basically. Because they aren't inundated with stuff that panders to them like otaku are, they have to make due with what exists. Basically the Fujos over the last couple decades are where otaku were in the 70s.
>>139246585
> What confuses me is why we still haven't seen a reduction in the number of anime being produced yet to match this new status quo. It just strikes me as kind of suicidal
Streaming and merchandising markets overseas, particularly america and china. Both these have ever increasing growth.
>>139253187
I think it's because for a long time they were basically hangers-on to franchises not meant for them, like >>139252914 mentioned, so it's just a matter of course to them that their pairings won't be explicit or the main focus.
>>139252894
The trend is basically that it has to have a bunch of good looking males, at least some of them should be adults, and scenes that can be interpreted as gay. This isn't the same as actual gayness. Just think of the Gilgamesh/Kirei scenes for Zero, the scenes between the two MCs of TaB and OPM and so on.
>>139253458
>and scenes that can be interpreted as gay.
That's not really needed. Fujoshi may ship characters that have barely talked to each other.
>>139248848
>I never understood the whole "we don't like it so its shit" ideology /v/ perpetuates.
fify
>>139253532
Or have never even met.
>>139246585
>What confuses me is why we still haven't seen a reduction in the number of anime being produced yet to match this new status quo
Besides just not wanting to, aside from a handful of slam dunks the anime that will sell well are pretty fucking hard to predict.
I mean if you sat there and said you knew Madoka or Love Live were going to sell several tens of thousands of disks per volume beforehand you would be absolutely full of shit. Shirobako outsold the hyped to hell Psycho Pass 2 and Aldnoah Zero combined. Ultimately the more shows you make the more chances you have of hitting the lottery.
>>139253532
Yeah but it usually only happens in series that contained pandering scenes between other characters. You won't find fujos shipping any males in blatant harem shows, even if they contain more than one male.
>>139249968
>Hating that someone did an excellent job at the advertisement department
that's pretty petty of you
>>139253867
Most of those series sell like shit so it's probably not as good as it seems. Even if it was it has nothing to do with hate. I hate Twilight too although it's probably some brilliant idea to make something like it considering how good it sells.
>>139253994
The goal is to sell LN (or merchandise around the series), not anime, this is why you rarely see S2 being made despite S1 selling really well
>>139254203
I think that goal is what messes up a lot of LN anime adaptation that could of had been decent. They try to cram so many LN volumes into one cour resulting in a mess with a lot of missing character development and rush plot-lines. it makes the series look like garbage even if the source material may not be that bad.
