why wasn't Saint Seiya a big hit in the US?
>>139238255
it wasn't?
>>139238255
Hideous dub
- The dub
- Too dark and violent, Shadow Realms and another dimensions couldn't erase all the death and emotional traumas
- It came too late
Never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svBbL5eoGfw
>>139238255
Too gay even for it's time
>>139241447
THIS. even as a 6 year old kid i knew something was weird about the show. Is the author a fujo or something???
>>139241913
He's probably gay as hell. But nothing confirmed.
>>139241354
holy shit I never knew it was this bad
he sounds like straight out of the TMNT cartoon
>>139241354
oh...
now I get it,..
I mean, in spanish dub, he goes over how beautiful and dangerous is that icy snow in his country and sells you how fatal his attack can be... here is... dude check this out ha ha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYClR8rmZk
Best op coming through. Kageyama just kept on doing it, the absolute madman.
>>139241447
Saint Seiya doujins popularized the term yaoi
>>139241447
so explain Michael Jackson's popularity
>>139238255
>>139240162
Also it was probably too exotic for them
Is greek mythology something kids read in school?
>>139243475
Music industry is some other shit not really comparable to anime
>>139242647
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk
>>139240162
Basically this.
Saint Seiya got a bad dub and it's violent as fuck.
Pick any random Shiryu fight and chances are you're going to see him lose half his blood.
>>139243582
>Is greek mythology something kids read in school?
It sure used to be, maybe not now that multiculturalism has taken over.
Also, there are plenty of kids' toys and stuff based on that. If it's not too exotic for Japan...
>>139243609
>Caballeroz del Zodiaco.
That fucking spaniard accent makes this.
>>139243907
>multiculturalism has taken over
Does that mean americans don't need to learn about cultures?
>>139244137
Only non-European ones.
>>139244137
With the way the American school system is, they don't learn about anything except how to be a mindless drone. It's all about the test results instead of, you know, teaching people.
>>139238255
terrible dub and like 20 years late after fucking Latin America
>>139243907
>If it's not too exotic for Japan...
Actually, it was too exotic for Japan. That's why SS performed way better on the foreign market than in Japan
>>139243582
>Is greek mythology something kids read in school?
Most kids know about Zeus, Poseidon and Hades because of movies and videogames.
>>139244443
the ovas push way more gods, and tenkai hen was shit movie.
>>139244375
Saint Seiya is the 23rd best selling Weekly Shonen Jump manga.
How can you claim it's not popular in Japan? Are you stupid or something?
Sucks how Lost Canvas wasn't popular overall, the anime was quite good, much better than Omega which got 2 big seasons.
>>139244548
what are the 22 ahead of it?
>>139244553
SS was the my 1st manga with a bitter sweet ending.. seiya deserved it better
>>139244595
jojo, naruto, OP, hunter X, Dragon ball.. you know.
still 22 out of everything WSJ has produced
>>139244595
Dr. Slump
Yugioh
Space Adventure Cobra
City Hunter
Gintama
Rookies
Dai no Daibouken
Yu Yu Hakusho
Prince of Tennis
Rokudenashi Blues
Hunter x Hunter
Rurouni Kenshin
Kinnikuman
Captain Tsubasa
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Hokuto no Ken
Slam Dunk
Kochikame
Naruto
Dragon Ball
One Piece
>>139244723
That can't be right, Bleach is older than Gintama and always sold more than than it.
>>139244723
>wan piss ahead of naruto and dragonball
bullshit, not to mention most all of those are shit that nobody has ever heard of.
>>139244865
>most all of those are shit that nobody has ever heard of.
Only if you started reading manga yesterday
>>139244548
>>139244595
>>139244723
Saint Seiya is DBZ-tier on the west while it's a cult series among fujoshis on Japan
Everyone talking about how greek mythology is exotic, but it was sucessful as fuck in South America.
>>139244865
Kochikame is the only name there that I don't recognize.
>>139244838
You're right. Bleach would be 6th place actually, which makes Saint Seiya 24th.
>>139244865
lol
>>139244927
You are seriously deluded.
>>139244953
Literally how?
>>139244865
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga
>>139244723
Bleach is actually 6th place.
>>139244865
One Piece isn't just the best selling Jump series, it's the best selling manga of all time.
They took too long to bring it to the states. If it had hit in the 90s, even with the butchered kool aid blood it would have sold gang busters.
By the time Saint Seiya came to the US it was too old and the DiC version was an anachronism.
>>139244865
>>139244953
do you niggers live under a rock or something?
MALÉGNA
>>139238255
Terrible dub and got less hype compared to the other popular anime in the US at the time.
Honestly,I think that if Omega got a dub it would become wildly popular in the USA.
>>139244997
You do realize "The west" isn't just the US right?
For one thing, latin america has it on it's top 3 alongside Dragon Ball and Ranma 1/2
>>139245027
>>139245069
that's fucking insane.
serious intelligent series like naruto and bleach sell less then that disney shit? what the fuck is wrong with japan?
>>139243609
Is this the equivalent of Naruto German OP?
>>139245225
This is the worst bait I've ever seen, step it up next time
>>139245190
No, shit for brains.
I'm saying that Saint Seiya is enormously popular in Japan as well.
If that wasn't the case it wouldn't have received so many different manga and anime spin-offs, films, novels, stage musicals, and video games IN JAPAN
Get your spic special snowflake bias out of here and don't try and retcon reality you plebeian piece of filth.
>>139245225
Oh my god, what has happened to this bored? It's like I'm talking with a bunch of children.
>>139245326
its not bait, you haven't even read naruto or bleach and just try and hate on it because of how popular it is here in america.
go ahead and tell me how naruto and bleach aren't intelligently written, go ahead, i'll wait.
>>139245326
Dunno, I laughed. And he got your reply at least.
>>139245376
Oh fuck he is serious.
>>139245326
Poe's law.
>>139245181
If Japanese kids didn't like Omega, why Americans kids would like it? Besides, it makes too many references to SS, not including the blatant plagiarism
>>139245190
>>139245190
Also, top 3 is a bullshit thing made up by the west.
In reality Naruto, Bleach, D. Gray Man, Eyeshield 21, Death Note, Prince of Tennis, Hunter x Hunter, Bobobo, Gintama, Reborn, and Prince of Tennis all competed pretty strongly for the top ranking after One Piece during the supposed "Big 3" era.
>>139245344
>>139245570
>Being this butthurt about a fucking spic proving him wrong.
Keep this up, you're making my day anon.
>>139243475
His popularity after Thriller was composed of teenage girls and gay guys.
>>139241354
Joey Wheeler's surfer papa.
>>139245540
American kids and Japanese kids are a completely different demographic.A lot of anime that were disliked in Japan are popular in the USA(Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds and G Gundam) and some series that were popular in Japan are hated in the USA(Gundam Seed/Destiny and Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal).
Saint Seiya Omega would wind up being a modest success at worst in the USA and at best it would be a hit.
>>139244723
>Prince of Tennis
Does anybody care about this anymore
>>139245677
How in any way is he proving me wrong? Enlighten me, fucknut. I'm the one providing the evidence.
>>139245570
For example, here's a ToC's from 2005.
1. Naruto
2. One Piece
3. Eyeshield 21
4. Death Note
5. Bleach
6. Bobobo
7. Gintama
8. Neuro
9. Prince of Tennis
10. Muhyo and Roji
11. Reborn!
12. D. Gray Man
13. ユート (not actually sure what this series is)
14. Kochikame
15. Hunter x Hunter
16. Mr. Fullswing
17. Strawberry 100%
18. Buso Renkin
19. Waqwaq
20. Jaguar
>>139246144
The sequel in Jump SQ is doing pretty well.
>>139246144
The manga is still running, so I would assume so
>>139246254
No, a sequel in running.
Prince of Tennis ended in Weekly Shonen Jump in March of 2008.
New Prince of Tennis began in Jump SQ in March 2009.
>>139246031
I don't know, Omega is an uninspired remix of every popular shounen stereotypes from the 2000s but with armors. Modern kids would watch it as a Naruto's rip-off and only nostalgic weeaboos watch Naruto
The dub and its dated animation.
>>139246222
>That lineup
Damn that takes me back.
>>139241354
that gave me cancer
>>139245376
>>139245225
Obvious troll is obvious.
>>139242460
What's funny is that the spanish dub the dialogue is way too heroic and cliche but goddamn as a kid it was the best thing to listen to, almost like why people liked kamen riders
Actually one asshole that made a shitty comic with zodiac themes with it (that is most likley a rip-off of Saint Seiya) sued and tried to claim plagiarism on Saint Seiya, delaying the anime from coming out until a judge told him to fuck off, but by the time it was censored and too late to the game.
He tried to sue again later 2 times and one was somewhat recent by his family
>>139243474
for real?
Because Burgerica removed the best opening of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAEb5Kk9K5s
>>139247643Clamp started as a Saint Seiya doujin circle
>>139247584
is that the reason why it came late to the US? What was the name of that comic?
>>139247584
...what?
Only in the USA.
>>139245570
>Prince of Tennis listed twice
>>139247728
I know
>ANN
but here
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-19/knights-of-the-zodiac/saint-seiya-u.s-lawsuit-dismissed
Comic name is Zodiac Knights 2000, from 96-97
Most recent suing, they tried to obtain, i shot you not 1 billion dollars from TOEI and Kurumada in damages
>>139247431
That was the idea. Saints were basically mythical heroes put on our modern days, even the narrator said it
>>139247665
There's that opening that's not so bad, really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpxrsEAIMT4
The cowabunga Hyoga here >>139241354
is unforgivable though
>>139248031
...and they weren't counter-sue into oblivion?
>>139248031
>Zodiac Knights 2000
>furry shit
furries ruining everything
>>139247584
What how can this be, a copycat suing the original ?
>>139248319
First time it did delayed the anime from airing in the 90's
2006 was CN trying to get Zodiac Knights 2000 copyright so they could avoid further bullshit, judge denied it since the family kept the rights in anotehr state
2011 sue for 1 billion dollars was to insane that the first judge told them to fuck off before anyone or TOEI could even give a fuck. Only reason we even know about this recent claim was because they bicthed in their family bussiness webpage
>>139248401
Legends say, that ot was indeed a copycat and the guys started it after coming back from Mexico or something during the SS rage
Capricorn best armor
>>139248878
funny way to say Libra
>>139248031
>>139248319
>>139248516
I don't know much about this stuff but let me play devil's advocate for a bit. Dude did a comic called Zodiac Knights 2000, and had it copyrighted. Toei then tries to bring to America their own Zodiac Knights afterwards. The original series is called Saint Seiya, and there would likely be no problem if they kept it like that, but they tried to name it Zodiac Knights despite the fact that a comic with a similar name already existed. The anime isn't even about the zodiac knights either, it's about the bronze ones. So they're hurting his ability to sell merchandise like shirts, toys, etc. of his own comic because they decided to rename their anime for no reason. It's like if Americans tried to air a Superman cartoon in Japan calling it Dragon Ball X and got sued for resembling Dragon Ball Z too much, like, ok you were first and the original, but why take that name?
Why lion is always the best Knight?
>>139249153
Except they would sue for trademark(the name) not copyright(the content).
>>139249153
>>139249262
that's because Saint Seiya has a very religious tone for a name, specially if you are releasing it in America where they still censor any religious tones. So they went with how Spain called it "Los Caballeros del Zodiaco" (Knights of the Zodiac). There is some relevance to the zodiac since the most important arc was about the 12 zodiac houses
it was a success in south america and many European country's, I think it just came out too late in the U.S
>>139249228
Leo a shit.
>>139238255
Because not enough mexicans in US at the time.
>>139249298
I know, even in Italy was "Cavalieri dello Zodiaco" on TV.
But, again, one would sue for trademark as in "we already got the name, take another or pay us"
They sued for copyright as in "you copied our product, not only the name but the content"
While a trademark sue might had ground, the copyright one was completely ridiculous
>>139249392
yeah lets not forget how mexicans made dragon ball z popular here too
>>139249415
well, some people are greedy and naive, but seeing the concept of the american comic, doesn't even look closely except for the name which was probably a coincidence.
>>139249484
Sailor Moon was also a big thing in Mexico but you know, it was for girls so no boy openly admitted to watched it. and Digimon is also popular because we had the unaltered version
ANN did a column about this last month:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-02-15/.98694
>>139249262
>>139249415
I see, but either way it's pretty shitty for the dude. You make a comic and then suddenly a foreign company comes to your country with an older series with a similar concept, and you know already you have no hopes of making it big but now you're fighting against a similar thing but from a big corporation with a way bigger budget and it's certain you're gonna be overshadowed. In his place I would have done the same.
so which manga series is the best? is it original one?
>>139249913
>it had a small cult following but not much more. I wonder if all that teamwork is compatible with American individualism
I don't see that theme of teamwork that the article says so far. Most fights in SS are 1 vs 1, sure there are some moments where they help someone else in a fight, but how is that different from Goku saving some Z fighter another time?
>>139241354
Holy shit my sides.
>>139250262
Dunno what they're smoking either. What it does better than Dragon Ball is giving everyone a fight against a competent opponent, instead of having everyone fight fodder like saibamen or Cell Jrs while the main character takes on the main villain.
>>139249990
again, he could either:
A. ride the wave of the success. It might have been free advertising.
B. sue about the name, either gaining money for the use of the name or them changing the name avoiding confusion.
You don't fucking sue for COPYRIGHT.
is there any new project for the series? Or did the Omega abomination kill the series?
>>139251497
Some guy from Toei claimed there will be new SS-related anime projects for 2016 like 5 months ago but nothing new yet.
>>139251497
On the 30th anniversary there is going to be an announcement, it is said it is confirmed another anime, which one is what everyone are guessing, probably Next Dimension.
>>139251497
afaik there is probably a new one still in progress about the 13th zodiac sign or something, can't remember. Omega was a mistake
>Years later
>people still amde about Omega
It was not bad at least not S1
>>139252119
>>139251497
And Omega was originally made to commemorate SS's 25th anniversary
>>139241354
What the fuck.
>>139252221
Fuck off, precurefag. The SS fandom never recovered from Omega, probably it never will
Inb4 spic, more spics actually watched omega than actual nips, even if they hated it.
>>139244443
The hell? Most schools where I live in the US cover greek mythology
>>139250262
What about this scene? You don't see this much teamwork in other shounen anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSCIs9jzFvo
>>139252300
>more spics actually watched omega
You need to stop with this blatantly untrue meme.
>>139252221
Not mad, just calling what it was: crap.
Those jumpsuit cloth designs were so fucking terrible, it just looked lazily done. Season 2 made them look like actual armors, but then they overdesigned them to hell and put jewels everywhere, what a fucking mess it was. Then Omega still have all kinds of problems, like the shoehorned elements, the ninja shit that also feels shoehorned
>>139252228
what an insult
>>139252300
as a spic, i refused to watched it, couldn't get over how dislocated everyone looked, also the armor had no creased, they were all shiny fabric
IKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>139252221
I liked the second season better than the first season to be honest.
The main problem I had with Omega was that it seemed like the writers played it safe with the main cast.The only Bronze Saints I cared about were Eden and Subaru.Everyone else was boring.
The writers should have brought back the Fab 5 near the end of the second season,not during the middle of it.
>>139252477
>Those jumpsuit cloth designs were so fucking terrible, it just looked lazily done
Rushed since Xros Wars S2 (that was one of the worst decisions ever) got cancelled and they had to rush this, originally it was going to have a more classic look
>Season 2 made them look like actual armors, but then they overdesigned them to hell and put jewels everywhere
I'm going to agree here, but S2 was a fun trainreck at the end
>>139252491
>i refused to watch it
You just ignore all the school parts and the ninja stuff, they have no relevancy at all once the school is detroyed, after that's it's just SS really.
>>139252625
S2 main problem is that they changed writers, as you said.
Also it was a last minute decision just to keep something airing since they had to keep delaying some more Sailor Moon Crystal. S2 was not planned at all and it was still decent to be honest, and gave us the best Taurus Saint of the franchise
Just like S1 was rushed because they ahd just delayed Sailor Moon C and Xros Wars 2 got canned
>>139252865
I always thought that Omega got too much hate and was decent.
Taurus Harbringer was based.
>>139253076
Best thing of S2 was Harbinger vs Titan.
One of the most Saint Seiya scenes of the franchise, much better than most similar scenes in the original anime\manga, too.
>>139252730
>after that's it's just SS really.
A Sanctuary arc remake barely disguise as a sequel. The sad reality is that omega never knew what it wanted to be.
>>139253530
>A Sanctuary arc remake barely disguise as a sequel.
You can say the same for ND and that has no excuse at this point in Kurumada's career, impaling Seiya with Hades scword was the worst decision ever, he only had to move to Zeus after that, but no
>>139253139
>>139253076
>Taurus talking shit about all gods equally in front of Athena
BASED
A
S
E
D
Lost Canvas gold saints > SS gold Saints all day every day
>>139253836
depends really, Los Canvas has best Cancer and second best Taurus at least
Capricorn is a tie for the original
>>139253676
Well, at the time he was closing the series, there weren't plans to continue... so it worked as finale.
Also, Omega S1 did know perfectly what it wanted to be.
Sure, yet another 12 Houses arc was not the most innovative idea ever, but Japanese like it.
Also, it was still interesting because most Gold Saints had wildly different characters from the classic ones, unlike those in Next Dimension
>>139253782
Except for having been a "bad guy", Harbinger was the same as what the original main character were supposed to be:
an orphan, lowest of the low, went from nobody to fight his way to Gold Saint, never giving up.
And not being a main character, he didn't do it in few months, it took him more than a decade
>>139253836
LC 1500 Gold Saint were awesome, as well as the previous 1700 Golds
>>139252865
>Xros Wars 2 got canned
and we had Hunters instead which is worse than 02 and Frontier
>>139253984
the only inferior was Regulus to aioria,
>>139254034
Hunters is basically Xros Wars season 2, they changed name in the last minute and added past protagonist to try to save it
best girl coming through
>>139254025
>it was still interesting because most Gold Saints had wildly different characters from the classic ones
Man the asspain about Geminis Paradox is still alive as of today. And she was one of the best
>>139254185
I'm still salty they did ruin her original dynamic by her having a "good" twin in S2
>>139238255
AND I RAN
I RAN SO FAR AWAY
>>139254025
>Sure, yet another 12 Houses arc was not the most innovative idea ever, but Japanese like it.
Is that why the ratings stayed consistently low for its run?
Also "wildly different characters" from classic, kek
The most different ones like Ionia got the short end of the stick, crap like Fudou was just reskins still using the same motifs with at most different attack names being shouted.
>>139245570
The Big 3 was always a Western idea anyway, and those 3 were certainly bigger than anything else at the time. One Piece is in such a league of it's own in popularity that it shouldn't even be grouped with anything else.
>>139254344
Average is just less than 2%, which is normal for that time-place
>>139254108
>add past protagonist
that was the oddest decision, giving protagonist to someone else while having the old more likeable protagonist to appear as his righthand
>>139254025
>Also, Omega S1 did know perfectly what it wanted to be.
Also this
Yeah it knew perfectly what it wanted to be
That's why they said the cloths no longer had objects when Shun showed up so Libra showed up in object form when Shiryu showed up
That's also why they bothered to go in backstory and flashbacks for some gold saints and others not
That's also why they introduced the school and dropped it like a rock as well as all the elemental BS
Son, even a staffer (Inoue) said the plans kept changing wildly and it was originally conceived as your usual "school life with super powers" kind of story and then it turned into a weird version of the Sanctuary arc from the classic series.
S1 was just completely ADHD jumping from spot to spot frantically, throwing crap at the well hoping it stick and then either just not following it up whatsoever or contradicting it whenever needed.
>>139254468
Just compare it to the whole start/Silver Saint run, the ratings were stronger at that point. SSO was doing well enough ratings wise but STAIRS again managed to somehow lower the show's overall condition.
>>139254344
I'm getting nostalgia from omega just by watching this picture.
Fuck the haters, it was not perfect, but when it was great it was fucking great.
>>139254704
For all its flaws it's still the most recent SS spin-off that managed to actually maintain my interest as opposed to just about everything else they're coming up with right now.
I'd rather see they try to continue building on this universe than do more no-budget cash grabs like SoG.
>>139241354
TOP KEK
It was a big hit in south america tho.
>>139238255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vsRmcLPyxQ
This
>>139254832
I liked SoG except for the fact that it needed to be longer and the changes to the God Warrior clothes, the originals were perfect
>>139243609LA CANCIÓN DE LOS ERRORES
>>139254973
I usually don't give a rat's ass about spin offs doing crazy shit with continuity but jesus christ SoG managed to trigger my autism in overdrive.
>Eclipse now lasted for weeks, at the very least days
>Athena is basically an STD now, just come in contact with any sort of fluids and your cloth will swell up in weird shapes. The symptoms will ease up when the infected settles down.
>We need but a fart to defeat God Warriors but somehow we need to use GOD CLOTHS to defeat them and they somehow DON'T DIE ON THE SPOT from being hit with shit that can OHKO fucking gods
>The Gold Cloths couldn't make it to Elysium because they would be destroyed in the hyperdimension that separated Meikai from it. They needed god blood, they didn't have it
>WE JUST GAVE THESE CLOTHS GOD BLOOD IN THE LAST EPISODE BUT THEY STILL NEED POSEIDON FOR IT
Seriously.
>>139255135
it was very weird they brought back a filler arc, i guess it was to say is not canon
>>139255311
After the whole Overture fiasco Toei is scared shitless of contradicting whatever Kurumada writes.
SoG's producers even said they placed the series in Asgard exactly because it's just anime stuff so it can't contradict Next Dimension.
>>139255418
>After the whole Overture fiasco Toei is scared shitless of contradicting whatever Kurumada writes.
well no shit
>>139254961
this opening ain't too bad desu, dub sucks tho
>>139238255
Everybody was busy watching DBZ. Nobody knew Saint Seiya eventually got good when the Gold Saints showed up. We just thought it was some gay power rangers shit.
>>139256094
>We just thought it was some gay power rangers shit.
Even with all the blood?
>>139256136
>all the blood
Oh, anon.
>>139256136
You mean Gatorade, right?
>>139238255
I think the main problem is that they offered not only a butchered dub but aired it at 7 PM when the older, slightly more informed kids were awake.
They also complicated things further with an uncut dub produced by ADV Films being released on DVD as well, which caused some consumer confusion.
>>139256136
>all the blood
About that. They took it away.
>>139256319
>>139256331
wait, what did they replace for blood?
>>139256362
they took it away?
>>139256319
>>139256331
>>139256362
So that explains it.
>>139256395
Pretty much. I had heard a rumor long ago that most of the anime's footage was unusable by DiC's standards.
>>139256094
Didn't it release at a point in time when anime was on the decline in terms of a dedicated block? I recall around this time Toonami was beginning to get shittier, before it got moved to Saturday evenings only and mostly began airing the usual shounen fare like Naruto. Seems to me even a more faithful adaptation would not have done all that well.
Now with Toonami as a late night block, it could conceivably run completely unedited, though to be honest it very well might not be the kind of show that the current Toonami crowd would actually like. Keep in mind, it IS intended for kids and teens. Blame it on the fact that the US is heads-on-pants retarded about sheltering kids that only a late night block would be acceptable for airing it uncensored.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5f-b9ZWkIk
>>139256395
>>139256741
Not so much took it away as much as recolored it blue or green and said it was Mystical Energy or sweat, depending on the mood of the writer.
Also the script for the "late" parts of the DiC dub (they got so far [and tried so hard] they made it to THE END OF THE IKKI ARC) literally has them just shoving jokes everywhere and does a better job of an "abridged" parody than most abridged parodies.
Don't take my word for it, see for yourselves.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14fd0f_knights-of-the-zodiac-melhores-momentos-vol-2_fun
>>139256965
It began airing during the peak of when Toonami was on Saturday nights alongside Dragon Ball Z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, Rave Master, Gash Bell, and One Piece.
>>139241354
Thank god for the latin american dub.
I always wondered why USA never seemed to have Saint Seiya as one of those "nostalgic childhood shows". Now I know why for sure.
>>139256965
This was when they were experimenting with the Saturday Video Entertainment System block that went nowhere as they couldn't pick a schedule and stick with it.
They also fucked with Toonami's schedule a lot during that time too by cutting much of it's airtime and removing shows.
>>139257491
Nah, it actually didn't start on Toonami.
>>139244137
>go to public education system in the U.S. for years
>lack of proper world history since all that is covered is Africa, Europe, and U.S.
>Asia, Central/South America (include Canada), Australia are nonexistent to teachers
>thirsty as fuck for more about the rest of the world
>learn how fucking awesome other cultures are
>go to Mexico sometime later, ask local college kids about their favorite point in history
>they all hate history
>go to Korea an even later time, ask same question as I did in Mexico
>they all hate history
Do you have to be deprived of history or other cultures to thirst for more knowledge?
>>139238255
- Bad dub
- Tons of retconned stuff
- Tons of censorship
>>139257738
You must understand: pretty much the whole world has more history in one city than the USA have in their whole country.
So generally nobody cares.
>>139257738
there is not much to learn except blacks were egyptians, vikings, samurais, kings, etc and whitey took everything.
But on a serious note is more personal interest and how they hook you to quench your thirst
>>139258235
>>139257983
/a/non.
Get me some water.
Your posts made me even thirstier.
>>139258235
>blacks were egyptians
This pisses me off the most.
The ONLY times blacks ruled Egypt were when the Nubians invaded and took over and turned out to be totally incompetent and ran Egypt into the ground.
>>139258392
>Nubians invaded and took over and turned out to be totally incompetent and ran Egypt into the ground.
wow, for a moment i thought you were talking about Detroit...or Africa in general
>>139257983
I don't think it has anything to do with that. College kids in America tend to give the exact same response when asked that.
>>139258392
dat's cus whiteis did change dem writing and tell they wer gud gois!
>>139258459
History is hard to teach. A lot of shit happened long time ago and to understand HOW it impacts today you need to study even MORE shit that happened just slightly less long time ago.
It works better if you teach it as Game of Thrones-like story, but it requires ability not many have
>>139258569
Game of Thrones is shit.
>>139258569
or make something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o
regardless if its incomplete, is still an interesting way to teach it
>>139258622
agreed
>>139258569
Nah, I think all you really need is a professor with a sense of humor.
Bad timing, Kurumada's style and that animation reeks of 80's anime. It was just a time of big jumps in quality and style. It's like Trigun and CowBe airing on the same year but one of them looks post 2000's because it's digitally colored while the other looks 90's.
It's also an extremely basic shonen series that follows every trick in the publisher's book making it stand out very little when the market is exploding.
>>139258663
exactly. Not many professors have that ability.
>>139258649
I was thinking something more "serious", but that's a way, too.
>>139258819
well, you can try serious but like that anon said >>139258663
you have to add a sense of humor, for some reason is easier to remember
>>139259095
I did mean "serious in making" not "serious in tone"( given half the time you're talking wars and the other you are talking political backstabbing, it's easy not be somehow serious)
>>139259184
whoops, my bad lol
>>139258622
That's besides the point he's trying to make you autist.
>>139259312
>says a fact
>autist
F/a/m, you need a drink.
wow sure is saint seiya in this discussion here
>>139258755
SS problem here was basically toooo late. had it aired on the 90s at least, it would have been a great success imo.
>>139259859
The problem, again, is that it's a show with too much graphical content by American standards, especially for the 90's and the moral guardians of the day, coupled with very base shonen themes that only kids and preteens could really get behind (and lets be honest, most of its fans are fans only because they grew up with it). DBZ may be violent and similarly base, but graphically it was quite tame for the most part, and what little was considered to be too much for kids only required minor editing. No way around the literal pools of blood the Saints regularly find themselves producing. It's pretty much THE antithesis of American cartoon standards in the 90's.
>>139260395
>, especially for the 90's
dragon ball is popular and it has violence
>>139260506
Please try to read the whole post next time.
>>139260395
Tiger Mask would have been MUCH WORSE
>>139260674
and these are TAME images...
>>139260674
>>139260773
Looks like average pro-wrestling to me.
>>139260895
Think a average pro-wrestling where all the dangerous and bloody moves DO kill and hurt and oh god why there is so much blood why is the main character trying to strangle the adversary and how he's hitting him in the head with a gong so much blood!
>>139261049
>>139260895
>>139260895
The dub was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjtUdflMdQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vYmYdUdbY
>>139261180
>>139261235
Yep, this looks normal.
>>139257229
That's really bad, not only the no blood allowed, but the lines they say are the worst shit ever. No wonder people didn't like it in the US, it's goofy beyond help.
>>139261235
>>139261180
Saint Seiya is Sadomasochism, The animated series. Everything is about how much pain the characters endure and the emotional impact it left on the audience. Saint Seiya compensate its many flaws with raw manly feelings so it needs the ultraviolence and numerous deaths
>>139264237
this
even with all that free fujobait the original series was way more manlier than omega
>>139255418
I sincerely think that LC is a better "pequel" than ND, ND biggest sin is not knowing what the fuck to do next, Kurumada just had to let Gold Saints go for good here and enter Zeus arc, at this point I doubt we will ever see any kind of Olympian stuff
Also get his lazy ass to make a design to all and every single one of the constellations so spinoffs are not scared to have more variation.
>>139256094
To be fair, even up to today pretty much everyone but diehard nostalgiafans ignore all the beggining with the black saints bullshit and moves directly from the galactic tournament to the appearance of the first Silver Saint, or the Gold saints since the firsts ilver saint is so FABULOUS that some people get tunred off
>>139265813
The beginning of the original series was pretty good., seeing Seiya nearly dying was pretty shocking, Dragon vs Black Dragon was a great fight too.
Also it was great when Seiya killed that fag
>>139238255
>Too gay
>Too violent/too many deaths
>Couldn't just name it Saint Seiya and religious references might have been seen as too risky
>>139266726
I am convinced they didn't even check the content before licensing it.
>>139243852
>>139260395
>>139266726
>it's too violent
I thought the US wasn't that picky when it comes to censorship of violence?
>>139268905
They are when it comes to cartoons aimed at kids. It was much worse in the 80's and early 90's, though. They can pretty much get away with almost unedited DB and DBZ nowadays, bar the nudity and maaaaaybe Roshi's extreme lechery. Saint Seiya would still be a no-go today except on Toonami.
>>139238255
I think it just came too late. In all countries where Saint Seiya was big it also came before DBZ, not years after Z.
>>139268344
back then they used to held conventions for tv broadcasters and distributor, where japanese studios showcased their series so they could get the rights, dub them, etc
usually they shown a 5mins clips with 5-6 series in them and then the western companies decide if get them or not
t. my dad used to work for a regional distribution company
the SS case in USA must be product of those clips, DiC brought it thinking they could chop every blood drop out of SS and still get a watchable series
>>139269258
Personally I think it was a push from Toei too. The Hades Sanctuary OVAs were JUST coming out as the series was suddenly being tested in the US market.
>>139269821
you got it backwards
Hades came into production after some french otaku did a SS short film with shitty animation "adapting" that arc, european fans become crazy and were starving for this come in a full release
Toei saw this and started production shortly after, then they tried to shoehorn the series into the USA
>>139269982
Uh
Toei decides they're going to revive the series (regardless if the short animation had any impact or not) -> OVAs begin to come out -> They decided to try their luck in the USA
Don't know what's backwards there.
>>139269982
>>139270184
Also anime actually becoming somewhat big in early 2000 afetr DBZ and Pokemon hit. That ended in U.S. killing anime in Latinoamerica by cockblocking direct japanese licensing frome here
>>139270184
>regardless if the short animation had any impact or not
it was BIG, at that time youtube wasnt even a thing, still the short film fled into the web across the world; was top download on p2p software of that time, like kazaa and such
anon said they made Hades because they wanted to make it into the US market, but they wanted to get SS into USA because they had a worldwide hit in their hands (minus USA)
>>139270287
blame FUNI and other american distributors
anime got killed in latinamerica and europe because they cockblocked them getting worldwide rights for DBZ, OP and Naruto, their horrid adaptations, rewrites and changes in OST killed anime for the rest of us
>>139241354
>>139238255
Power Rangers and Ronin Warriors.
Source: I lived in L.A. all my life and visited Mexicali regularly. Saint Seiya was the tits down there but Ronin was being aired on toonami at the time. Guess which one was easier to censor?
>>139243474
have you seen the mangaka's not Saint Seiya stuff... it's more pillowbitingly homo than any implication of ShunxHyoga
>>139270513
Ronin Warrios was a knock off SS, didnt had the gratuitous blood nor the mutilations from Saint Seiya, so yes was easier to rewrite
actually we got a rewrite as well, they changed all the japanese names to some common names in my country
>>139270400
I think Latinamerica was safe since they got righst up to GT and most stuff was utouched up to 2003 or so we got Digimon Frontier untouched as well as Shaman King before that, so a uncesored version exists, somewhere and was aired.
After that is reruns of somewhat censored stuff
In Mexico this was pretty fucking huge, for some reason I remember myself playing with the action figures and watching this. I don't remember any of it though now.
>>139270704
Shaman King was one of the very last anime proper translated from source, after that everything came filtered from USA
on the Digimon side, Tamers was the last one, then they came with slighty rewrites to match up with american release
>>139249228
that's not how you spell SagitariusSagitarius Seiya a shit tho
>>139249228
Shaina pls
>>139270812
We got uncensored loli Tamers nipples to air in TV here
>>139261305
WHy are they wearing armors while eating?
>>139270663
To it's credit though, Yoroiden Samurai Troopers/Ronin Warriors had far cooler armor designs.
>>139271124
>Ronin Warriors had far cooler armor designs
>>139271255
Yes, that's what I said. I ain't taking it back.
>>139270704
One of the reasons it was good to live in latinamerica was that anime was directly translated in spanish and the op/ed song adaptation were also great (ex. Butter-fly from Digimon 01)
>>139254117
Crane Yuzuriha = Ophinicus Shaina = Behemoth Violate > Sasha > Fem Milo >>> power gap >>> Sho > Saori
>>139271348
would you do me a favor and chexk the latinamerican version of the Magic Knights Rayheart opening? You might like it.
>>139270770
getting the one of the original die cast SS armors was like like getting a G1 transformers
>>139271459
it was a very odd adaptation but still good regardless, considering a man sing it and not a woman like in the original. Also Shaman king had a good singer for the latinamerican adaptation and let's not forget saint seiya (when started airing in cartoon network)
>>139270770
>action figure
as a kid i was really brute with my stuff so I broke the pegasus armor they gave to me. I would've still have it with me if I wasn't too stupid
>>139264845
Japan don't see a contradiction between being gay and manly
>>139271564
no, I think you really need to check again the rayheart opening. it's the shittiest shit ever sung.
>>139271773
yeah bro, i mean ever seen the happi costumes? specially combining the fundoshi
>>139271849
for shitty ones go check inuyasha first op instead
>>139271849
>>139271564
>>139271459
every TMS opening is shit
prove me wrong
>>139270542
>Watching Ring ni Kakero
>A girl on the American team? That's weird even for RnK standards but whatever
>It's a trap
>>139271935
>>139270542
Just manly men doing manly things
>>139271935
80's traps = best traps
>>139271935
>Ring ni Kakero
He simply have to make a manly sport a bit gayer with the trap.
at least BT'X wasn't that gay far as I remember, i think is his manliest show
>>139271459
Rayearth is Clamp's Saga/Saori doujin. It's one of the few popular SS het pairings on Japan
>>139271997
It just had the regular rose obsessed jobber and a very manly boss woman.
>>139272038
>regular rose obsessed jobber and a very manly boss woman.
is a kurumada thing
>>139271997
Fou had his long lost buttbuddy who hated his guts for killing his imouto with fedora atheism and Hokuto on the manga had his childhood rival obsessed with making him the bottom of the relationship. Both as fujobait as fuck. Also, Teppei has >>139271977 a weirdo from the manga often paired with Teppei on pixiv. Not including the incestfags, Kotaro is basically Teppei's Saori after all. Ron got free because his official love interest is a woman but it's a woman with a male name, Aramis, and who always wears a man's uniform.
B't X is gay as fuck
>>139271932
Every latino opening of a TMS-produced anime or just TMS openings in general?
>>139272282
every translated OPs, my bad
>>139272038
>>139272063
I wonder if the blood sucking rose is a Japanese myth or part of the Japanese pop culture.
>>139271932
any examples of TMS?
>>139272440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mDeAkjHMxg
>>139272026
Please explain more
>>139272026
Wait, what.
>>139272477
that was horrible
