What's wrong with this bitch?
>>139202132
What is supposed to be wrong with her?
>utilitarianism
Nothing.
Nothing. Frederica was a qt.
>what is a joke
>implying
Literally nothing, she was a qt in the greatest anime ever created.
She is flawless.
>>139202132
Nepotism
Nothing, but something's wrong with this thread
What did he mean by this?
>>139202132
everyone around her dies
Just started watching this show. Why is Donald Trump in this? Are they allowed to do this, how hasn't Trump sued them for defamation yet?
>eva braun's farewell
If Lapp survived, would the FPA also have survived?
What was his fucking problem?
>>139206374
Trump doesn't speak that well though. Trunicht's more like a male Hillary Clinton.
>>139206534
I dunno, but I do know that Lapp's wife was also a qt
>>139206908
>>139206534
>tfw Yang got cucked but then almost cucked Lapp back from beyond the grave
Glad they didn't hook up, Frederica is more qt
Is the readaptation going to fix the huge influx of numbers of things? Like 80 trillion people die in a battle and then on planet has like 2 million people on it
>>139206985
Not sure what you're talking about, but this is what I'd fix
>The size of urban areas is way too small for the population sizes we're given
>When Kesler lands on the farm planet to take the supplies away as part of Reinhard's scorched earth plan, it literally feels like the entire planet is just that one farming town, I don't really see why that would be a deal for armies with millions of soldiers in it, or why they'd even bother with it. It would take days to take all the supplies for the population sizes we're talking about
>Update the science & technology from the 1970s when the novels were written. Add in mobiles, digital stuff, more human augmentation, more robots, transhumanism, more space stations, maglev vacuum trains, more things that make you realise it's set over 1000 years in the future
>Make the FPA cast more diverse to contrast it better with the Empire. More women especially to show the difference between liberal democracy and the patriarchal prussian inspired Empire. Genderbend Julian, Poplan for example
>Make the Earth cult/terrarists less retarded and develop them more as characters and as a faction
>>139206637
Slut mom and cuck dad.
God this show has quotes.
>>139207558
Thank you based Reuenthal
>>139207558
Dying like a fucking badass.
>>139206771
Would a female Bill Clinton be funny and kawaii?
>>139207601
>"It's..."
>"you mad?"
>>139202132
It's the ugly pseudo-mullet hairstyle
>>139207601
Got that right.
>>139207857
>everyone's face while listening Fork's retarded crusade blabber
>>139202132
lel
>You will never be this alpha
>>139207933
How many third rate anime does that?
Madoka fits the bill imo.
>>139208003
SEED
>>139207967
The RoV thread is that way ->>>>>
>>>/a better site than this one/
SLUT
>>139202132
>>139207542
Your make a lot of good suggestions. Some things I'd like add are:
>show a distinct difference in fashion
>the Empire of 500 years ago should not have the same uniforms and styles as the Empire of the main timeline
>the FPA should not be wearing clothes from the 1970's USA
I think Phezzan was fine for the most part, they seemed to have a cool 70's retro futurism look. I really enjoyed seeing the character change through clothes so often, it was a nice attention to detail, but the styles need to be more believable.
>>139207967
What arc/episode was this scene in?
What would you guys prefer: That Kircheis lives, or that Julian dies?
>>139208909
Julian dies, causing Yang to go nuclear
>>139208909
I dont want either of these things
>>139208909
None of these affects the plot that much. It'd be more interesting if Reinhard had died instead and Kircheis carried on his dream and usurped power. So instead of Reinhard taking on the kind traits of Kircheis you'd have Kircheis take on some of the ruthless traits of Reinhard.
>>139207558
Fucking based.
>>139208003
Fairy Tail, Magi, HxH, almost every battle shounen fits the bill.
>>139208909
Kircheis lives, but if that happened there either wouldn't be as much war, or the Empire would curbstomp the Alliance even more handily
remake should genderbend this guy
>>139206985
That's an exaggeration, battles only ever deal in the tens of thousands. Well apart from the imperial civil war where the Lippstadt fleets altogether total like 150,000, but I don't think these numbers are ever engaged.
>>139209557
The show already has a red-haired tsundere.
>>139209583
I'm pretty sure battles dealt in millions of soldiers. It always seemed rather jarring to me
>>139209557
Nah, he's the epitome of masculinity. Oberstein would be an interesting character to genderbend though.
>former male superiors refuse to listen to some woman advisors bizarre strategy and plain speaking
>Kircheis and others thinks she's a cunt trying to control Reinhard
>Reinhard is the only one that sees her for who she really is
>She's too autistic for romance and keeps trying to push him into picking a kaiserine while acting unusually catty around Hilde
>>139209557
http://strawpoll.me/7204788
>>139209868
>>139209978
Kill yourself, the new manga designs are already bad enough.
Oberstein was the best character.
>>139209583
What? muiltiple times they say 2-8 millions people die then tell about how most planets have something of a population of a few million
>>139209770
Oh soldiers, my mistake. Yeah depending on the battle there probably were some that dealt with a low millions casualty figure. Casualties never venture into the tens of millions. And I don't see how it's jarring exactly, there's all the ships and they gotta be manned with something. And i think there's like 40 billion people.
>>139206637
He couldn't trust other people except Mittenmeyer
>>139210581
Yeah I get the whole war on earth and everything decimated a lot of numbers, but since there are 7 billion people on earth alone; it seems were than only ~40 billion in the universe exist
>>139209655
Katerose
10/10 would sortie with
>>139207646
I hated how the show fucking spoiled itself a couple episodes prior about Reuenthal's death.
>>139211780
But that made the lead up to his death all the more sadder.
>>139211780
I don't recall that happening. Did it say something outside of next ep previews or something?
If it did, that's not really a spoiler since its narrator foreshadowing and you're still on the edge of your seat waiting to see how and knowing it'll be good.
>>139211902
Yeah, there was a scene near the end of one episode where it said something like "Unfortunately, that would be the last drink Mittenmeyer would pour for Reuenthal". If I'm remembering correctly, it happened several episodes before the the death actually happened. It did definitely keep me on the edge of my seat though, I had to keep watching to find out how it'd happen.
>>139212059
Yeah, such foreshadowing is fair game narratively. Happens often and to good effect.
Ironically, reading that also makes it sounds like Mittenmeyer could die as well.
>>139212182
I mean, you often see Mittenmeyer and Reuenthal drinking together throughout the series.
Never him specifically doing the pouring though, like an unspoken friendship thing.
"Unfortunately, this would be the last drink Mittenmeyer and Reuenthal shared together" would be an even more epic foreshadow.
>>139212182
Yeah I realized that after I typed that, but I think the way the narrator said it definitely implied it would be Reuenthal who would die. It's been a long time since I watched it
>>139202132
Killing the many to save the few is totally ridiculous
That's not how seigi no mikata works
>>139206637
women am i right guis?
>>139212311
>It's been a long time since I watched it
Never too late to correct your mistakes.
>>139212312
>seigi no mikata
a concept practiced for third rate anime such as
>>139208003
>>139208035
>>139209341
>>139202132
She's the Hillary of LotGH.
>>139213500
Naw, man, she isn't nearly enough of a corrupt corporate lackey to fill those shoes.
>>139206637
Shitty parents and megalomania. Basically the same problems Reinhard had, but Reinhard conquered the galaxy first.
Threadly reminder thathe did nothing wrong
>>139208909
Julian was a KEK you hear me. A KEK.
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>>139212257
That's almost exactly what the line was.
>>139212311
>but I think the way the narrator said it definitely implied it would be Reuenthal who would die
It didn't.
>>139215639
Excellent, so it was just as great as I'd hoped I'd remembered it.
GAOAT confirmed.
>>139208909
Julian was a KEK you hear me. A KEK.
I wish I had the attention span to watch LoGH.
>>139216392
Find it. You're doing yourself a disservice.
Even when people disagree its the GOAT, they disagree respectfully. It's that good.
>>139216392
By attention span, do you mean all the dialogue? What the people are saying is actually really interesting, so it should not be an issue.
>>139217840
I liked the one episode I did watch, I just struggle to keep focus on it.
>>139217962
Nah, I just find it hard to focus on things. I find myself pausing and reading other unrelated tabs I have open. It's not out of boredom per-se, just lots of inattention.
from what i know of it, it's the sort of thing i'd enjoy, it's just a push to actually commit to watching a 20 minute episode instead of reading 40 different tabs at different levels in that time.
The Reuental plotline was the most disappointing, anticlimactic thing I've ever watched. We get all this buildup and hype across a whole season, giving him a detailed backstory and having him consider rebellion during the war with the FPA, which would've changed everything. I thought the civil war would be epic as fuck, and the show would become Reuental vs Reinhard after Yang's death. Instead we get him only rebelling after the Terraists frame him, following their plan obediently, and get obliterated in the first battle and then die. Wasting all of that amazing build up and everything.
The whole war was fucked up and didn't go into the horror enough. They really needed to focus on a few of the hundred billion dudes they wiped out from their admiral chairs.
Will they reverse the genderbent characters back to their original sex?
>>139220237
I dunno, I think it went well. Of course he'd only rebel when forced to, he's actually loyal. Sure he's got his own desires, but he was willing to sit on them for Reinhard. Reuenthal never had any ideas with what to do with the Empire, and his claim was weak so while he did have his fleets they weren't exactly overflowing in morale. Frankly one of my favourite arcs of the show.
>>139210627
He trusted Reinhard, hell he trusted him to save Mittermeyer.
>>139207668
>hillary
>female Bill Clinton
r34 bill probably has big tits and is a partying MILF. Nothing in that sentence describes HillaryExcept the MILF part.
>>139210127
Fucking crazy gore out of nowhere
>>139220950
That wasn't trust, it was necessity. Reinhard was the only option available with any chance of success. They didn't know each other prior to that so trust couldn't really be a factor. Reuenthal did respect Reinhard a lot though.
>>139221210
Didn't the hostages backfire though?
And didn't his attitude result in a military fiasco?
>>139220863
It made no sense that he'd blindly follow what is obviously a Terraist plot. Surely a person as proud and self-respecting as him wouldn't let them decide whether or not he rebels? And how did they take control of an entire planet's worth of Imperial forces without anyone noticing, anyway? And why was, when it was so obviously not related to Reuental at all, was the Kaiser so eager to go after him and ignore trying to find the actual culprits? He even said Reuental would never try a stupid plot like this.
And what was the entire point if it was literally just a short one-sided battle and then an episode of him dying. It achieved nothing, it didn't really link to the other parts of the plot other than the vague Terraist plan which led nowhere, and I felt nothing but disappointment at what a failure and loser Reuental was at everything he ever tried.
>>139221711
>Sure;y as proud and self-respecting as him wouldn't let them decide whether or not he rebels
In his mind, It was fight or submit, and submit meant paying for Lutz. Too him, his fate was sealed the moment he heard the news about Lutz. That's his logic, regardless of whether Reinhard would actually execute him or not.
Also playing a factor are his own long simmering desires, facts are that he did want to face Reinhard as a warrior and he knew that Reinhard was the same in this regard, so in a way he could say he was serving him while rebelling.
>why was the Kaiser so eager
While he was eager to fight (he is a declining warrior), he was willing to forgive. Reuenthal just had to come and apologise, and that's an entirely reasonable demand. However, when Mittermeyer told him this, is it wrong that Reuenthal would doubt this? He's already issued his proclamation, he has called the Kaiser weak while calling Oberstein an usurper, the civil war has already started. How can he reasonably expect to apologise and for it all to just go away?
>It achieved nothing
Civil wars often do that. Especially those started by and for military men.
>What was the point, I felt nothing but disappointment at what a failure and loser Reunthal was
It's allright that he's a loser, it's alright that he failed. Why should he be a winner? Is there any point in that?
>>139222798
But he was not involved in Lutz's death in any way whatsoever. Why should he pay for Lutz, or apologise? If either Reuental or Reinhard actually cared about Lutz, the obvious course is for them to work together and take revenge on the true culprits. What they actually did was basically spitting on Lutz's grave and making his sacrifice meaningless, since they did exactly what his murderers wanted.
I can see that he wanted to face Reinhard, but as a proud warriors and equals, battling for glory and honour. Not as a person framed for an assassination attempt by some cult. That should have gone against everything he believed in.
In the end, the only thing this so-called brave, noble warrior succeeded in was killing an unarmed innocent man with a gun for being a traitor to the person he just went to rebel against. After all that build-up, I expected more.
>>139223387
I never call him a brave or noble warrior, just a warrior. Just a guy who loves fighting wars.
There's the outside appearance that people not in the know see, in that it appears Reuenthal fleet sprung a trap for Reinhard and killed Lutz in the process. Sure Reinhard has difficulty in believing that, but what about the common citizen? What about Lutz' fleet? That was the big issue of it, Lutz' fleet was going to demand Reuenthal's head for this. And as was commented on by Mittermeyer I think, might've been Mecklinger, even if Reuenthal had nothing to do with this, it was his failure as head of the fleets that allowed the whole thing to occur and he can still be held responsible for it. Sure, by our standards it might be a bit much to execute Reuenthal for a ridiculous Terraist plot, but you can't just ignore a fleet when they are angry about something. Look at Bittenfeld's Black Tigers, they were threatening to rebel, and were only held in check by cool guy Wahlen.
>>139224073
You might hold that opinion, but it's clear that the show was trying to portray him as a noble and proud character. Remember the narrator constantly talking about how collected he was, how masterfully he commanded his fleet, etc. It very strongly gave the impression they wanted us to respect him, in complete contrast to his actions, which were sheer stupidity and failure. It just felt inconsistent.
And why did Reuental not even send condolences for Lutz' death, and instead that stupid message blaming Oberstein? I mean, he hates the person but it's not like there was any reason to believe this was an Oberstein plot. Even if Reuental didn't want to apologise, he could've sent a message asserting his innocence and offering co-operation in taking revenge for Lutz' death. Randomly blaming Oberstein, who had no involvement whatsoever in this particular matter, made basically no sense, and it was reasonable Reinhard would be angry after that.
>>139224491
He didn't actually think it was Oberstein, he needed a claim of legitimacy to ensure any of his troops actually remained loyal during the civil war. And he couldn't actually say that Reinhard was the badguy, that's stupid the army is loyal to the Kaiser. But what if Lang and Oberstein were secretly controlling the throne while Reinhard was ill? They're hated, so it worked. As was shown some officers had doubts about Oberstein's supposed guilt but for the most part they went with the flow.
Was actually a smart decision, it's impressive that Reuenthal was able command the fleets against the Kaiser at all, especially when you consider that only a fraction of the fleets he commanded as Governor were the same fleets he commanded as admiral.
It's worth mentioning that it wasn't found out it was a Terraist plot until later. An investigator found clues on Urvashi pointing towards Terraism, but for whatever reason he didn't report that. So while people who personally knew Reuenthal may have had doubts, they were only doubts.
And as for my supposed opinion, I never said he wasn't proud. He is very proud, it's his downfall. But brave and noble? You're just heaping your own expectations onto him when you've already exclaimed how much of a disappointment he is.
>>139224931
I see, so it was more Oberstein was being framed as the antagonist so his troops would march into a civil war. Which is exactly what the Terraists did to him. If you want to view him as a battle-craving warrior looking for an excuse to go to war, and the Terraist plot just as a trigger, then it makes sense.
You're probably right that the reason I'm disappointed is because I heaped such expectations and hope into him, and couldn't accept what a lowly and petty character he turned out to be. But the reason I did this was because of the very strong character development he received. He was given an introduction, multiple episodes covering both his childhood backstory and his joining with the Kaiser. He was given long periods of thinking during the Ragnarok operation about possibly rebelling, affecting Hilda's decision during the most pivotal moment when the war lay in the balance. He was made out to be an outstanding admiral of the same tier as Yang Wenli and Kaiser Reinhard, he was given a woman and a son and a fleet and stood at the height of power and legend in the Empire. Did I not have a right to assume he would have importance? Was there not reason to believe in his hopes and his character? What was the point of all of that, all those monologues and flashbacks, if it ends so anticlimactically, pointlessly and quickly? If he, in the end, was such an unimportant, unintelligent, unsuccessful and dishonourable person?
>>139223387
Realised I've ignored a point here.
Remember the last conversation between Mittermeyer and Reuenthal, where Mittermeyer begged him to stop and Reuenthal refused. There's a part relevant to your second point. Reuenthal brings up how he yearns to fight the Kaiser, and Mittermeyer tells him "He's drunk on blood-coloured dreams." To this, Reuenthal very seriously says"It might just be a dream, but it's my dream"
While you think this should go against everything he believes in, this is his big chance. Let's be honest, how is he going to face Reinhard as a proud warrior and equal? Simply put, one will have to betray the other, it's an impossible dream. Reinhard would never turn on a subordinate and Reuenthal would never turn on Reinhard, who saved Mittermeyer. That's what makes this such an incredible chance for Reuenthal, the betrayal has already been done for him, this farce has been set up. All that he has to do is fight.
>>139225323
While you're very well on the right track, I do think it's a bit excessive to say he was waiting for a trigger. I mean sure he would've loved to go to war in a way that won't diminish his pride (meaning he can't just spring a rebellion), but I don't think he was holding his breath and waiting for Reinhard to become somebody who could be rebelled against. If Reinhard continued to be a great ruler, I do earnestly think Reuenthal would have lived the rest of his days loyally. Sure he has his desires, but they can take a back seat. If Reinhard became a dissatisfying ruler, or if Reinhard died and his heir was determined to be unworthy, that would be his trigger. It just so happens he was chucked into a civil war and realised the opportunity.
Also, while I said I view the Reuenthal rebellion as a tragedy, I've found a better term for it. It's Reuenthal's self-destruction. It's the fact he has importance and he has potential and that you care for him that makes his self destruction all the more impactful.
Sometimes you just get this, where people come to the opposite conclusions from the same points of evidence. While you were disappointed by his pettiness, I love the fact that Reuenthal has leads such a petty war. Yang is fueled by his republican ideologies, Reinhard by his desire to change the Empire for the better. Reuenthal is just an asshole who wants to fight and has no desires for power, but just wants to fight for it.
Hey, I appreciate the open mind
>>139225832
I almost envy your low opinions of Reuental, since I can see how you'd enjoy his self-destruction. If I'd seen him in less of a positive light leading up to the rebellion, perhaps I would've enjoyed his failure and revelled in it, rather than seeing my expectations betrayed as they were.
But what you said about ideologies is, I think, important. While Yang and Reinhard had genuine and important ambitions to change society, Reuental didn't really seem to think about those kind of things at all, he was more into war for war's sake than as a means to an end, similar to how Reinhard became later in his life. So I guess there is an element of meaning in his storyline, to show the contrast between Yang's consistent and firm belief in ideology and Reuental's mentality, and if you look at it from this perspective, his failure without achieving anything makes sense, since it's representative of just how meaningless the idea of war is without a strong desire for a brighter future behind it. I thought it was pointless, but now I think there's deeper meaning behind how pointless it was.
Thanks, you really helped.
>>139225323
To respond to the last few comments, i'll say this
>Unimportant
I don't really see how this is relevant. The fact he failed to have an impact on the setting doesn't matter to me, and I don't see it as valid ciriticism. I don't know how to engage this statement, but yes I can see where you come from.
>Unintelligent
I dunno, I think I've been making a strong case for his decisions. Sure he played to the Terraists tune, but the tune suited him just fine.
>Unsucessful
Same as unimportance
>Dishonourable
It's not like his honour ever stood out amongst his fellow admirals, and it's not like he used underhanded tactics. Any attempt to start a civil war would be dishonourable, and the civil war was hinted at for a long time. So i don't see what the deal
Ultimately, I understand that you're upset with Reuenthal as a character and I don't think I can argue you into the opposite point of view, all I can do is dispute what's put before me.
Also, I dispute that he was suggested to be Yang Wenli/Reinhard caliber. I think the point that he may have been better than the Reinhard who was in his decline
>>139226273
It should be said, I don't exactly have a low opinion of Reuenthal, I just love him for his flaws. It's not like I revel in his destruction, It's just that the Rebellion arc is where he gets a lot of focus and his character becomes clearer. He's one of my favourite characters, up there with Yang.
And hey, thanks for the discussion. It is discussion which allows me to think hard about these things.
>>139202221
She's a horse bitch.
