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>>139158905
まずは調子はどうだい
お前はまだ日本語分かってないですかい
ok ill say it in english. whats up dude
何年くらいここに居座ったんですかね
フラッシュカード勉強はどうだ？ 何か出来ますか？
いや答えるな
もう決まってるから
djtの勉強方法（皮肉と言えるだろ）なんて不完全なんだよ
証拠は？ このカキコ見ろ
結局何が分かるんですか？
何か勉強になりましたか？
多分無いね
そのなんでも無い生活に生きてる限り
今日も助けは来ない
ankiの書き込みに戻れ
そして踊れ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xEihW4oxuM
死ね
>今回の１０vs１０マッチは最もプレイヤー数を絞らなきゃならない
Bit confused by the meaning of 最も here, what's it implying, that reducing enemy players is the most important thing?
>>139193323
I'd prefer it if you died instead.
>>139193410
Nobody gives a fuck.
>>139193572
Your posts are utterly useless and don't contribute anything to the thread. If anything, you make it an angry and hostile environment for everyone just to fuel your ego.
>>139193657
Shall we set up a safe space for you?
>壁ドン（ただしイケメンに限る）
wft
>>139193887
you dont wanna kabedon a nasty fucker
>>139193657
>disliking a post
>giving it more exposure by replying to it and getting into an argument with the original poster
every timesame goes for that one retard that replied to the makami post last thread
>>139193765
Hostility and elitism is perfectly fine but only when it's directed at the right things.
Your pathetic whining couldn't get imouto banned by the mods, so you resorted to making it awkward for him by spamming all of his posts with autistic arguments and derailing threads. You got what you wanted, he stopped "avatarfagging", probably because he didn't want to be a catalyst for your autistic outbursts, so you can stop now. The only reason I can think of for you continuing is if it wasn't about "avatarfagging" from the start, but an intense jealousy of someone being better at you at Japanese.
Your behaviour is both childish and pathetic. I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror and reflect on your actions.
>>139193970
I'll stop pretty soon if he doesn't start doing it again.
>intense jealousy
Yeah, that's the deal. You got me there.
>>139194091
He hasn't done it in two threads.
>>139193970
I usually read imouto's posts because I usually learned something useful from it (unless it was an offtopic shitpost), so him not avatarfagging makes his posts a bit harder to find. Would be nice if he'd at least put a trip on so people who don't like him can filter him and people who do like him can find his posts a lot easier.
>away from DJT for a few weeks
>come back
>some autist constantly hating on glorious imouto
Whoever you are just wanted to tell you you're a faggot.
>>139194128
And I hope it stays that way.
>>139194146
If you really want to find his posts you still can do that. There's no need for trips, he will just continue his roleplaying.
So can we move on now?
>>139194279
He's a native of the language we're learning and answers questions constantly. That's probably the only case in this thread where a trip is useful or even warranted so long as he's only using it for useful posts. It leaves pretty much no room for doubt when reading an answer.
Finding his posts manually is a lot more tedious because people shitpost in Japanese fairly often. It's not something I can see just quickly scrolling through the posts I missed and I don't want to read every single Japanese post on the off-chance it could be one of his.
>>139194146
The rules are a guideline. They aren't absolute. Everyone on this site would be banned for flaming and trolling if the mods really had to follow the rules exactly.
The point of avatarfagging being a bannable offence is to prevent retarded blogging. Does imouto use avatar status to blog? Not more than any anonymous poster. And he's not banned yet, despite the fact that this idiot has probably spammed hundreds of reports on him.
The worst and most childish part about this guy is that he's decided to take matters into his own hands and actively try to make imouto feel unwelcome by spamming the thread and derailing it. And if that isn't rule breaking behaviour I don't know what is.
Now he's trying to play it down, just look
>>139194279
This guy is such a manchild it's funny.
>>139194091
4chan is an 18+ site
lmaoもし日本語のことは気になるわけ
Asked this on the last thread, wanting to see if I can get more answer now.
Anybody here regularly visit 2ch and 2chan? Can I ask how to be able to make a post there from non-japan IP? I want to start practicing my production skill through conversations.
Also, where can I download VN games if it's not available on nyaa?
Esp. Vita games
Also, can anybody open this link about J-J dictionary? I can't seem to open it.
https://a.pomf.cat/ujfidq.torrent
I got the link from this guide, if anybody wondering
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15uvv72eVFBtcOlfHaHUfT_HhZsgWxd7VjT9u-zVSwdw/edit?pref=2&pli=1
So, whatcha listening to, DJT? I think I've posted this before but it deserves to be posted again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MpEVALDyGk
>>139194501
please dude just give it up they are not your people if you want to produce go anywhere else, like your bathroom
As someone who barely spends any time on DJT, coming back briefly to see arguments like this going on, and having no investment in them, really helps to see how flippin' ridiculous they are. It seems the problem with generals is that people make them their home, and want to direct the atmospher and kind of posts that aught to be posted in their home, when in truth the best course of action is to ignore people you don't like and close threads you don't like. Food for thought: If DJT drama ever gets thick, and perhaps you're in the midst of it, try leaving DJT. It's not your home. If you spend every waking hour on here, perhaps with auto refresh, try closing the tab for a couple days. It'll whip you out of this sick controlling mindset, I guarantee it.
>>139194503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtnLDMuy2lc
>>139194503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnLGWph0VZ0
>>139194657
Is this meant for me or the other guy?
>>139194657
Yea. It's funny, in a way all these arguments have really helped my Japanese studies. In that I've stopped coming here as often as I used to.
>>139194657
what if you just want to hang out and post and watch the fools march onward on the road to nowhere and just chill out generally
>>139193335
誰か...?Or is this just shitpost central now?
>>139194501
>I want to start practicing my production skill through conversations.
Just sign up for HelloTalk. It's free and you can talk to as many asshole native speakers on there as you would in 2ch
>>139194614
It's fine anon. Even though what you say is true, I can still learn something from them, the same way I learnt something from you even if you are also not my people.
>>139194875
I'm not sure either, sorry.
Off to a great start
>>139194763
>being this retarded
How should we know which of the two you are?
Although I actually do know which one you are since only one of you is this much of a newfag. Stop posting if you can't contain your autism, if you had ignored him no one would've even paid attention to him.
>>139194875
in this 10v10 match you gotta fuck up the most important player
>>139195033
But that doesn't work with 数 there right?
>>139195033
I'm sure it's not this, though.
>>139195033
i missed the s key sorry players plural
>>139194898
It's just easier to talk about a common interest. Not that I won't use HelloTalk, I will. I'm just eager to know, out of the 200 or so regular in djt, I'm sure a percentage of us knows a reliable way to post on 2chan and 2ch.
I'm one of the most argumentative people in this thread and these arguments have made /me/ come here less. Good job, guys.
>>139195152
my posts are folded tempered and they do their job
>>139195096
That still doesn't work with 数 I'm bretty sure.
I'm rarely argumentative on djt, but I'm taking this anon's approach nowadays. >>139194850
>just generally chill out
I try to come here after I'm done with my study. Thanks for showing me the Force, brother. I appreciate it.
>>139195136
You just have to search for people to talk to about a common interest. Or when you write up your profile, put in some of your interests.
But I understand you might not want to have to download it and register an account and would rather just completely stay anon
Don't you guys have a Discord or something?
If only there was someone helpful and knowledgeable enough to help with this guy's question
Preferably a native
Oh wait we scared him off
>>139195247
how about in this 10v10 match the goal is to fuck up the most players you can
>>139194501
>Can I ask how to be able to make a post there from non-japan IP?
You dish out money for 壺 or a VPN
>>139195350
That's the best guess I had and pretty much what I posted with the question yeah, but 最も in that structure with that meaning still seems odd...
>>139195300
I probably sign up to HelloTalk one day.
>>139195386
Any good VPN service that you've tried?
>>139195343
Because you faggots wouldn't help him understand how things are done here and instead let arguments run rampant because you wanted to let him have special treatment
>>139195343
If he's native it's 3 AM in Japan so I dunno.
>>139195350
That's not what しぼる means. It just means cutting down the number of players to 10
>>139195486
>how things are done here
How things done gradually change with time anon.
>>139195474
>Any good VPN service that you've tried?
No I don't care enough. Just go to nyuusokur or something. It's probably no worse than kenmou except for the fact that you get occasional gaijins posting shitty Japanese, but hey that's what you're there to do too.
>>139195498
yeah i guess it only means one thing
>>139195486
>how things are done
You're the only faggot being autist about someone posting cute anime girls on a cute anime girls imageboard with their replies, pls kill urself.
>>139195687
Nice strawman dude!
>>139195498
But they start at 10 each. しぼる seems to mean whittling down the numbers, was fairly certain I got that part right at least.
>>139195613
I'm here posting in shitty English so there's that. I mentioned in the last thread that reddit is blocked where I live. So... I still need VPN for that. I tried to go to some free tunnelling service like vtunnel in the past, but that was blocked too.
hahaha.
>>139195707
>describing literally what you're faggoty ass has been doing
>strawman
Nice fallacy fallacy you autistic faggot.
Hope imouto realizes there's only one real turbobutthurt fag here though.
>>139195736
>But they start at 10 each
I don't know the context of course. But yes, they obviously start at 10 when the game starts. But they have to choose those 10 players. If you have a club with 50 people and can only send 10 to the championships you gotta restrict down to 10 people.
>>139195707
Oh shit, are you the sakuraposter / questionspammer from a few threads back? I think I'm going to do more reading now until you're gone for the day.
>>139195785
How can you be this stupid?
>>139195741
>plebbit blocked
You should probably focus on moving to a non-shithole state before anything else m8.
>>139195807
why dont we ask him the context
hey dude what game are you playing is it league of legends 10v10
>>139195785
I don't think you even know what strawman means.
>there's only one real turbobutthurt fag here though
Nope, I don't even really care.
But it's not like they don't do the same shit to us when we go to their English learning boards on 2channel. They basically have a "chat in english" containment thread.
I'd like to have natives using this thread but that doesn't mean they get special treatment and can _violate global rule #2 by avatarfagging_ with every post and being a namefag on top of it.
>>139195807
No, there's 10 on the field, and the announcer says the original line I posted right before the game starts, it's one where they have to disable the other team's players. I still don't know what 最も is meant to imply with certainty but I can at least say しぼる is not meaning that there.
>>139195837
I will man, within the next 5 years. Nothing I can do at the moment though, other than venting about internet censorship and deal with it.
>>139195823
No idea what you're talking about. But if you can't realize what a strawman that other post is then you probably don't know what a strawman is either.
>>139195924
>I don't think you even know what strawman means.
Protip: If it's describing exactly what your faggot ass has been doing it's not a strawman, merely a description of your pathetic actions,
>avatarfagging
You're an idiot, posting random anime girl pics is not avatarfagging you fucking newfag. I bet you go into a frothing rage every time someone uses a trip too god damn.
a straw man is what i call my dick
>>139195741
You could also try asking the Japanese language learning thread on /int/
I swear to god you people.
These threads can go from super good to complete fucking shitslinging crap in a single iteration.
I'm just gonna finish my reps and masturbate to my trap porn.
see ya in the next one
>>139195998
>If it's describing exactly what your faggot ass has been doing it's not a strawman, merely a description of your pathetic actions
Descriptions? Have you even read the post?
He implied that literally the only thing anyone has gainst imouto is that he's posting cute anime pictures.
If that's what you think then you need to keep your nose out of it because you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>139196033
i swear to god you people
>>139195998
>posting random anime girl pics is not avatarfagging
>random
Do you even know who imouto is? His images are literally the definition of avatarfagging on 4chan.
Did you think avatarfagging meant they post the exact same image over and over?
and I'm the newfag? Fuck off retard.
>>139196081
>the only thing anyone has gainst imouto is that he's posting cute anime pictures.
>'anyone'
>implying you aren't the only faggot constantly hating on imouto
There's literally no other reason to be butthurt about imouto, all they do is help and post interesting things, unless you're a bigger autist than I imagined.
>>139196159
Right, so you obviously don't know shit about 4chan.
>>139196136
>Did you think avatarfagging meant they post the exact same image over and over?
It's not posting random cute girls that's for sure, that's /a/ raison d'etre faggot. At worst they were semi-namefagging by naming each file imoto.jpg
Stay fresh newfaggot.
>>139196159
dont get me wrong when that poster has something good to say they deliver but most of the time its lets get in the bath おにいちゃん so i dont agree with saying theyre all interesting
>>139195936
Maybe you should actually post what you're reading
>>139193408
> ぞい - indicates mild emphasis
What the fuck is mild emphasis? Does this mean that she's not 100% dedicated to doing her best? Fucking pathetic.
I am quite glad to announce that, as of now, the new guide has been implemented.
It is currently still open to comments, I'll keep it like that for another week or two before closing it finally. Of course I'll always be glad to receive your feedback via the feedback form or via email. Or in the thread if I'm around.
The older versions of the guide are still available, you can find them linked at the bottom of the document.
For those to whom this whole business is total news, here's a quick rundown of the changes:
-less wordy, more compact and straightforward
-resources section has been moved to a separate document
-Section on learning Kanji is more extensive and (hopefully) less biased towards mnemonic methods
-some minor additions to the FAQ and the Misc. section
Happy learning
>>139196198
>and by 4chan I mean my idealized imageboard full of autists like me that get butthurt at someone posting cute anime pics with their posts
There has to be a better place to be such a massive autistic faggot that gets triggered by one user simply posting anime girl pics, krautchan? I don't know but has to be somewhere you can call home, just piss off from here.
>>139196033
People who think with emotions and people who think with logic always clash.
I have nothing against imouto and personally hope he still comes here.
But that doesn't change the _fact_ that he avatarfags. But people who think emotionally will go all up in arms and deny literally anything just because they want him around.
It's pure mental immaturity.
>>139196283
feminine language softening
good for girls (and boys) who wear skirts irl
>>139196243
But it's physical and then I need to take photos and shit. That's pretty much all the context tho.
>>139196299
Keep up the good work!
>>139196136
Does 4chan /a/nons 10 years ago cares if other people avatarfagging? Maybe not.
>>139194716
>OMG I love animes!!
>>139196314
>using "cute anime pics" in general to describe an avatarfags posting
>not a starwman
>>139196299
> (hopefully) less biased towards mnemonic methods
Still pretty biased against learning through vocab though
>and the benefits that learning kanji would bring in vocabulary retention will take longer to achieve, if gotten..
At least remove the
>if gotten
and get rid of the extra period while you're at it.
>>139196353
now that the discussion went crazy because no one answered you straight and with certainty and everyone is blind and begging for the imouto to show them the light, ill tell you that 最も can go onto basically any noun to indicate "most" or "the most"
>>139196531
That "if gotten" is saying that learning kanji in isolation does not necessarily help with learning vocabulary, not the other way around.
>>139196571
So I guessed right, neat.
>>139194763
I made that post after seeing >>139194427
Like c'mon. OK a dude is shitting on another dude. Who cares. Were this a normal thread, that behaviour would be ignored and then the thread would die. Instead, it seems that guy is spending a huge chunk of his time on this particular thread, and trying to make it his home, and trying to control how people act or at least ranting about how people. Thats not a good idea in my opinion. It's best not to make DJT your home and take it so seriously. It's not a good idea to spend so much time here and make it a huge part of your life. It's really best to close the thread a lot and not make the place your home. It's not healthy nor is it a good use of time. This is a thread on 4chan and its best not to let it exceed that in yourself or to let it dominate a huge chunk of your time.
I guess I'm being hypocritical here, trying to dictate how people act, but really I'm just trying to give some advice. If he disagrees and wants to make DJT his home thats okay, I won't be pissed and rant about it, especially since I wont be here to see him ranting because I only come here so infrequently. In fact I just came back to see if anyone made a crying reaction image to "DJT is not your home". I know that hit me hard when I typed it because I spent over a year reading every post on the thread and contributing. But thats in the past. DJT wasn't my home but I thought it was. I don't want other people making the same mistake. But it's ok if they do.
>>139196530
>there's a limit to how many cute anime girls you can post, otherwise you're a strawman
超うけるぞ~That's moon for AYYYY LMAO~
>>139196746
>*otherwise you're an avatarfag
Too many fallacies, too little sleep.
tl;dr you're a faggot.
>>139196746
Jesus christ. You faggots do realize it's all the same girls from the same Anime right?
I didn't think I had to spell it out for you, but I seriously don't understand how you can be this stupid unless you actually thought he was posting a variety of pictures from different anime series and different girls.
>>139196688
What did you guess?
>>139196831
Go to bed, phone.
>>139196651
That may be what its meant to say but it definitely doesn't sound like that.
>>139196869
In the post with the question >>139193335
It's just saying the goal of each side is to take out the most players then right?
>>139196910
Try learning english
>>139196904
Did you pull that out of your bag of random insults?
Pull out another one for me, maybe you'll get something implying I'm from reddit next.
>>139196976
Good attitude you have there.
>>139196966
I'm pretty sure you're not gonna get a good answer so I suggest just skipping the line (rather than taking in partially wrong information here)
>>139196831
There's only so many anime with little girls out there, his collection/rotation was big enough, cry moar bitch nigga.
>>139197054
Stop talking, phone. You're not welcome here.
>>139197065
>Good attitude you have there.
When you take a pretty normal piece of english literally backwards I think it's your own fault.
Not opposed to guide-kun changing it but you had the wrong idea and shouldn't be talking shit.
>>139197081
It's all literally from 1 show. I don't know what to tell you.
>>139196966
If it were 何より or something instead of 最も I would I've said yes, but now I'm not sure. I would guess that 最も just means "a lot" here.
>>139197160
>and the benefits that learning kanji would bring in vocabulary retention will take longer to achieve, if gotten.
Let me modify this just a tiny bit to make it clear how it comes across
>and the benefits that learning kanji would bring in vocabulary retention will take longer to achieve, if gotten at all
In other words
>Learning kanji individually brings benefits in terms of learning vocabulary. If you learn kanji through vocabulary, it may take a while to get enough of a knowledge of kanji that you can make use of those same benefits. Or worse, you may never achieve that level.
Does that make it clearer?
>shouldn't be talking shit.
I'm pretty sure you're the only one talking shit here.
>>139196404
Will do. Thanks for having me.
>>139196531
You mean against learning kanji through vocab? I agree that it may appear biased, but it is indeed the case that learning Kanji individually will oftentimes give a huge boost to your vocabulary retention (in my case it went from 60-70% to a solid 95%). I hope that it's clear that this takes lots of time, and that it may not be worth it for everyone. If you have a better formulation to express this I'd be glad to implement it. Let me know or best leave a comment in the guide.
>>139197329
>If you learn kanji through vocabulary, it may take a while to get enough of a knowledge of kanji that you can make use of those same benefits. Or worse, you may never achieve that level.
You broke context. The section of text is about "learning kanji giving benefits to vocabulary retention", not "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention". "If gotten at all" applies to "benefits to vocabulary retention in general", not "benefits to vocabulary retention from learning kanji through vocab". It's a non-sequitur for it to apply solely to via-vocab because there is no logic or tone present for such a connection.
>I'm pretty sure you're the only one talking shit here.
Take: >it definitely doesn't sound like that.
>>139197377
>I agree that it may appear biased, because I am biased
I see. Anyway, my main beef was with your implication that you may not ever achieve those benefits if you learn kanji through vocab, which is just false. People who learn kanji through vocab still learn kanji nonetheless. They can see a kanji and name off words that contain that kanji. At that point the only real difference they have with people who learn kanji individually is writing. I would also personally suggest mentioning that doing a little bit of radical study and/or individual kanji study (without necessarily learning all ~2500 Jouyou) may allow people to get a decent amount of the retention benefits from being comfortable with kanji while enabling a more vocab-centric method of study.
>>139196299
- Somewhere in your guide, you should add the wiki link to kanji. Section 4 and section 6 of the wiki link for kanji is especially useful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji
- Tl;dr of my 2nd feedback to you is this, I think it would be beneficial for newcomers if you write somewhere on the guide about Tae Kim that Tae Kim himself said that his guide are meant as a supplement.
Or at very least, write that if learners found Tae Kim's Basic Grammar Section to be confusing, read other books instead, before coming back to Tae Kim's Essential, Special, and Advanced section.
--
The long story is this, I've bought Tae Kim's book and read it while idling on DJT even though I've completely learned fundamentals previously. Initially I did it without ever looking at his homepage. I did read some of his entries, but never his hompage.
Personally, I think his Chapter 3: Basic Grammar section was way too simplified, and some entries on that chapter, like the の particle table, he doesn't explain anywhere near enough.
He just made that table about 飲まないんだ・飲むんじゃない・飲むんじゃなかった and was done with it. That was jarring and nowhere near enough explanation.
I then look at his website and found this written there
>If you are taking Japanese classes and you want to get a better understanding of how things work, the Guide to Japanese Grammar is designed to supplement your studies
>supplement
I didn't learn fundamentals through genki either, but I've check out a couple pages of genki. Also check out a couple pages of minna no nihongo.
- My opinion is that I think you should put an asterisk that Tae kim himself said that the guide was meant as a supplement. Or at least write somewhere that if Tae Kim's Basic Grammar Section is confusing to you, then read some other books before going back to Tae Kim. His Essential, Special, and Advanced section is pretty concise and adequate. So there's that.
>>139196966
Go to the Japanese thread on /int/ and ask a native instead. You can ask in English. I don't know if there are anyrealnatives there at this hour, though, or ever.
>>139197564
>The section of text is about "learning kanji giving benefits to vocabulary retention", not "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention".
I am fully aware, and did not imply otherwise
>Take: >it definitely doesn't sound like that.
A simple statement of disagreement.
Now a little bit of shit talking: Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension? You seem to have misunderstood several things over the course of this relatively short conversation.
>>139187416
I also have the game in the original resolution but it looks like eye cancer. I can still read it fine but still.
I'm hoping I'm just retarded and all I have to do is change one of the settings to fix it. Has anyone had this problem? It's a psp game.
>>139197844
>You seem to have misunderstood several things over the course of this relatively short conversation.
If you point each instance out I would be glad to take it if it's true.
>>139196831
Dude, nobody cared about blog, avatarfagging, kek, lol, all that shit 10 years ago. What you call 4chan is just today's 4chan. Yesterday's 4chan and tomorrow's 4chan will not be the same.
People grow up, it's phases of life and shit.
>>139197904
I pointed out 3 already.
-The original sentence in the guide
-My statement of disagreement which you took as shit-talking
-Somehow thinking that I thought the passage was about "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention" when my "translation" clearly said
>Learning kanji individually brings benefits in terms of learning vocabulary.
So there's reasonable way to think that I confused that. Your same misunderstanding is the basis of
>"If gotten at all" applies to "benefits to vocabulary retention in general", not "benefits to vocabulary retention from learning kanji through vocab"
>>139198052
there's no reasonable way to think that I confused that*
>>139198052
>-The original sentence in the guide
You're the one that's wrong on that, again.
>-My statement of disagreement which you took as shit-talking
Seriously?
>-Somehow thinking that I thought the passage was about "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention"
I never said you thought that.
>>139198100
im reasonably confused how you can actually care about this shit
>>139198182
>I never said you thought that.
>You broke context. The section of text is about "learning kanji giving benefits to vocabulary retention", not "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention".
I think you have some serious problems dude.
>>139197634
>I agree that it may appear biased, because I am biased
I can't really deny that given my personal experience with the matter.
How does this sound?
>By learning Kanji through vocabulary, you will not learn individual kanji in isolation, and will instead learn entire words -- which are to a large extent composed of kanji. The drawback to this method is that you will very likely not gain the ability to write words or kanji from memory, unless you actively practice this alongside your vocabulary study.
You will still become familiar with individual kanji since they often recur in various words and hence you will most likely also be able to recognize kanji that you have encountered before in new words and even guess their readings correctly (sometimes, readings of individual kanji and kanji in words are highly variable). Studying radicals of kanji (as mentioned above) may also be beneficial to vocab retention. While not as strong as when learning kanji individually, studying radicals may still help you with kanji recognition and retention and thus also grant some benefits to vocabulary retention.
Since many learners have no interest in being able to write Japanese by hand, and just wish to read. Since it is entirely possible to read Japanese without having studied individual kanji, and just learning words instead, there exists a trade-off in terms of spending more time on kanji and less time on vocabulary early on in return for better retention later.
>>139197722
Gotcha, thanks for the extensive feedback.
>>139198243
Pointing something out doesn't mean I think you don't know it, anon. Work on your reading comprehension.
>>139198291
Sounds fine. My biggest beef is just that the sentence
>You will still become familiar with individual kanji since they often recur in various words and hence you will most likely also be able to recognize kanji that you have encountered before in new words and even guess their readings correctly (sometimes, readings of individual kanji and kanji in words are highly variable)
just kinda sounds awkward. I would just take out the part about readings. Guessing readings as a skill is something you have to pick up with experience no matter how you learn kanji since readings are so unreliable. So there's no real reason to specifically mention it in the learning through vocab section.
In 暑さで脳をやられた輩の犯罪は枚挙に暇がない, is 輩 pronounced やから or はい?
>>139198446
It sounds awkward because it's a runon with no punctuation.
>>139198446
>You will still become familiar with individual kanji since you will often see them again in different words and thus you will also be able to recognize kanji that you know from words that you have already learned when encountering new words.
Yeah, I noticed too upon reading it a few more times. Is the above any better?
>>139198495
Well yeah, I didn't feel the need to elaborate.
>>139198316
Ok whatever dude. It's changed now anyway.
>>139198487
やから
Google/J-J dictionaries tend to answer this kind of thing fairly easily
>>139198487
Both seem valid readings in context with the same meaning, but one's probably more popular, fuck if I know which.
Gurugamesh!
>>139198627
>english google
>>139198619
I would just keep it simple stupid
>You will still become familiar with individual kanji through seeing them repeatedly in different words.
>>139198291
One last thing, the Dictionaries section of the Lookup Resources is a bit lacking on J-J dictionary entries.
You might want to see if you want to add that or not. I know some people here use kotobank for online J-J dict. I often use sanseido.
J-J dictionary in order of authoritativeness is Koujien, then everything else. Daijirin is popular, so does Daijisen.
You might need to find a better article than my bullshit about the "authoritativeness" though.
I only knew about this article below a couple hours ago from some guide on the lat djt thread, http://www.gally.net/translation/kokugo.htm
>>139198802
Thanks, I'll go with that.
>>139198870
Cheers. I'll add some J-J dictionaries to the resource section.
>baseball vocab used outside of baseball contexts
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>139197892
Don't all PSP's look like this?
>>139197892
PSP? Yeah, that's not the original res, that's 2x.
>>139199454
it looks better on the real hardware
>>139199149
First off, I'm technologically challenged, if not an idiot. I have an embarassing question for you about the guide.
I'm using my personal google account when viewing the new guide and I accidentally pressed spacebar and made an edit to the guide.
Which I then backspaced. When I edited it by accident I could see "edited: add space" by myname lastname.
Did you (and everybody) managed to see that or was it just written as "edited by anonymous" at your end? I just prefer to be anonymous is all. Was that too late because I stupidly pressed spacebar?
>>139199602
whoops youre fucked i guess dude
>>139199602
The party van will be at your front door shortly. Please stay seated.
>>139199443
Should have listened to Steve
>>139199602
rip
>>139199602
It's not right in the document, but it's visible in the comment history (I'm not sure if anyone else than me can see that). If you reject your suggestion it'll disappear from the front page of the document, though it seems to still be logged in the comments log.
Though all I'm seeing is your first name and the first letter of your last name, though I doubt that anyone here cares enough to even look up someone's name on the internet just because they saw it in the comments section of some google doc. It doesn't look like there's any option for me to remove comments, so I'm sorry about that.
For that matter, you have quite a cute name.
>>139199443
>Falling for the context meme
Words have meanings.
>>139199602
PK are pretty cool initials though, are they your nickname too?
>http://www.asahi.com/paper/editorial.html
>首相は一昨年の解散時に、税率引き上げを再延期することはないと「みなさんにはっきりと断言します」と語った。それができない経済状況を招いたというなら、アベノミクスの失敗を自ら認め、潔く退陣するのが筋だろう
I'm unsure about the first sentence. Is it "When, at the time of the dissolution of the lower house last year, there was no need to re-postpone the tax hike, the Prime Minister said, I say [this] to you clearly."? "This" being the fact that there was no need.
>>139199920
He firmly said "we aint gonna postpone raising taxes any more yo"
>>139199866
I think he can delete them from the log because he's the one that made them.
>>139199602 click the comments button.
Oh and thanks for adding the introduction I wrote, sorry if I sent it twice. Had some trouble with my google account.
>>139200108
Thanks for providing me with such a concise introduction.
>>139200074
Alright. Yea, I see. He said all that but only the part within brackets is the exact part of quotation.
Does anyone else here collect physical manga? I'd love to see some collections.
What do I do if I don't want to Anki?
>>139200497
Do not Anki.
>>139200497
get a bunch of index cards and a sharpie
>>139200497
Depends why you don't want to. Is it the daily studying, the fact you're studying kanji outside of real texts, or just the look of the program?
>>139200553
I don't want to be lazy!But I also don't want to Anki
>>139200565
Yes, no and yes. It's the readings that fuck me sideways in every sense, I never manage to remember them for more than a few minutes.
>>139200340
Why do you insist on avatarfagging?
>>139200916
Nice meme.
>>139200916
Avatarfagging? In what regard?
>>139200340
My collection is puny, do you still want to see it?
>>139200340
i'd love to never see yours again
Thanks to the anon who posted this progress chart. I've been reading Flyable Heart slowly for a whole damn year now and I only just finished the water gun fight. Suddenly finding out that I'm not even halfway through the common route yet is an important realization and I'll be playing the VN much more now.
>>139201095
Yes please.
>荒神
>>139199524
Seriously? I guess I'm accustomed to how PC VNs look. I already think it's pretty small.
>>139200340
>>139201216
The PSP has about half the resolution of what you posted. Google "PSP resolution" for the exact number if you're curious.
Go through PPSSPP's options for resolution and scaling adjustment settings and mess with them until you figure everything out.
>>139200108
I just saw it, thanks for the info. Deleted my "suggestion". Though it probably doesn't matter anymore now.
I've read the comments button, how does people adding suggestions while still being "anonymous" though? Not logging in to gmail in the first place?
>>139201119
>or a whole damn year now
>I'm not even halfway through the common route yet
Jesus fuck
>Length Medium (10 - 30 hours)
I sure hope that's not for alll routes
>>139201308
Probably opening an incognito tab and copy pasting the link
>>139201286
Okay, thanks.
>>139201414
Oh well, lesson learned.
>>139201413
I'm just lazy as fuck, I've spent months without touching the VN at all. Finding out that at this pace I'll finish the VN in 9 years was a good hint to speed the fuck up.
>>139201151
Never mind, people are going to make fun of me.
>>139201546
I won't make fun of you.
>>139201546
Well in that case we can just skip the sharing part and go straight to ridiculing
Look at this faggot with a collection so shit he can't even share it on an anonymous image board
So that fag imouto was finally driven out of /djt/?
Good job to the person responsible. How did you pull it off?
>>139201717
Someone reported every post he made until he got warned or something.
>>139201717
its 5 am in jp
>>139200852
>I never manage to remember them for more than a few minutes.
After a few reps they will stick more, that's the point of Anki. I always get stuck on a handful of words and spend a lot of time on them, but then the next day those are the ones I remember the most.
Just stick with it for like a week, you'll feel the progress.
>>139201831
Where did the retarded idea that imouto was native come from? It was obvious that he wasn't.
>>139201899
how so
>>139201899
Isn't he a gook?
>>139201899
>It was obvious that he wasn't
why?
>>139201413
He's just being slow as fuck, it took me two months to read and that was as a total beginner right out of Hanahira/To Love-Ru.
>>139202043
All routes I assume?
>>139202089
Of course. That goes without saying.
I know that yoru means night from the sunset until the sunrise, while ban means night from the sunset until when you sleep, but what about yuugata?
Sorry for the romaji, I'm using a phone to post and haven't installed anything to type in Japanese here yet.
I've gotten to the point where I know hiragana and katakana well enough so I'm studying Genki 1 (with removed romaji). Should I load up the core anki deck and study that alongside it (I was thinking about 30 words a day)? I'm asking because Genki has vocabularies it wants you to learn after each exercise so maybe having too much vocabulary may be a bad thing.
>>139200852
You have impaired short term memory.
Set your new card graduation interval to two days. Set your new card steps to the default (1 10).
Set the lapse minimum interval to 1 days. Set the lapse new interval to 10%. (This way lapsing mature cards reverts them by 2~3 Goods, not resetting them to 1 day instantly) Set lapse steps to (10). Note the lack of 1. This makes it so that lapsing a new card and lapsing a rep after it, the new cards always come first, unless you go 10 minutes without finishing your new cards.
Go into preferences. Go to "Basic" tab. Select the second dropdown and set it to "Show new cards before reviews".
These settings will reduce the load that SRS has on your short term memory without affecting how SRS behaves in the long term.
>>139202205
>Should I load up the core anki deck and study that alongside it (I was thinking about 30 words a day)
Yes
> I'm asking because Genki has vocabularies it wants you to learn after each exercise so maybe having too much vocabulary may be a bad thing.
You don't have to bother with that. Stick with core instead. That's what I did.
t. nippongo master
>>139201899
thought he was jp because he understood dialects
>>139202234
(cont)
Even if you dislike the two day interval for graduated new cards, do it anyway. It cuts the number of reps you do for cards that you've never gotten right in half without affecting cards you've gotten right at least once. If you really dislike it, instead of ignoring it and using a one day interval for graduated new cards, study your new cards a day in advance instead. Note that if you study new cards a day ahead like this, it shouldn't be in the flash card format, so it might be a little inconvenient but you'll have to make a filtered custom study deck and study it via the card browser.
>>139202383
>It cuts the number of reps you do for cards that you've never gotten right in half without affecting cards you've gotten right at least once.
Sorry, I got this backwards. It cuts the number of reps you do for cards you've never gotten wrong in half without affecting cards that you've lapsed at least once. This way your short term memory problems do less to cards that you're doing fine on.
man I love using jisho now, it was so fucking ugly a year ago
>>139202205
I don't know whether Genki has more vocab, but I also used Anki alongside Tae Kim and did fine.
>>139202323
Alright, I'll do that. Thanks.
>forget a word in English and French but remember it in Japanese
M-Maybe I can learn Japanese after all.
>>139202483
I liked the old one better.
I always find that the things I think look good are almost unanimously considered ugly by most people, and vice versa. I wonder if it's an indication of some mental disorder.
Same goes for music.
>>139202656
For me こと is the most obvious since I literally can't express it in exactly one way in english, but I always know how it works when I see it in japanese, and it's a single feeling instead of the distinct ones that the english translations provide. Is that the kind of thing you mean, or do you mean like nouns?
>>139202656
Mon negro.
Does anyone else punch themselves when they keep getting things wrong in Anki?
It's becoming a problem. My legs are covered in bruises and it hurts to walk for like an hour after my reps.
>>139203633
Put a coat or something on your lap when you do your reps, it'll hurt less.
＞近所迷惑
Me when I was a kid
>>139203633
I like it when I don't get things right in Anki because it means it's still working and I need to improve. Otherwise if I knew everything then it'd just mean that I don't need it in the first place.
Stay positive, anon, ばんばって！
>>139203794
Fucking keyboard, I meant がんばって, no idea what went wrong there...
>>139202656
本当にそう思うんですか
>>139202908
「こと」のことは簡単なことだよ
難しいことじゃない限りわかりやすいことだね
>>139203633
punch your dick and balls instead
>>139203633
So you hate it when you're reminded of something you had forgotten but wanted to remember?
>>139203633
Why are you punching yourself?
>>139204005
Where I live, it's "Why are you hitting yourself?"
>>139203962
I hate that everyday there are some words that I just can't remember to save my life. I'd be done in 3/4 ofthe time I do my reps if it wasn't for a handful of words I have to do over and over and over hitting again again again again
>>139203659
That is great advise, thank you
>>139204420
have you ever considered the way your studying may not be teaching you very much
>>139204687
No, because the words that I get stuck on like this are usually the ones I remember the easiest later on. Still annoying in the moment though.
I do think I should try learning Kanji along with the Vocab though, that might make it easier.
>>139204757
whats some stuff you got stuck on, like the worst ones from your last session or whatever
>>139204757
>I do think I should try learning Kanji along with the Vocab though, that might make it easier.
what?
>>139204420
Next time make a mnemonic instead of hitting yourself. I barely ever fail new cards after the first time and it's not because I have a good memory.
>>139204420
https://darkjapanese.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/new-and-failed-cards-in-anki/
>>139204687
you're right jamal, we should all give up trying to learning any vocab until we can pursue the objectively superior learning method of chatting with people on the streets of tokyo
>>139204921
Like going through a Kanji deck (KanjiDamage maybe) as well as my vocab deck.
>>139204899
汚い 冷たい 勝つ 負ける
There are many more that I can recognise but not pull out of thin air, but there isn't really a pattern for what words I find hard, it's seemingly random.
>>139205216
I try to but I'm really bad at it. It does help for some words though.
>>139205313
dont forget i asked this right after >>139204899 dude. also lmao at the rest of that
>>139196299
>>139205485
you could try looking some sentences containing those words online. they are really common so you should have them in no time. you can try physically writing them and you can try forming your own sentences using them
some combination of all of that focusing just on those four for a half hour or something and youll probably remember them
汚い just remember rin tohsakas anus
冷たい just remember all the mean posts in djt
勝つ just remember this as what you will have done when youve mastered these words
負ける just remember this as this guy >>139205313
Tell me about WaniKani, why does it かをいねこですね?
>>139205853
That's now how mnemonics work
>want to play a visual novel
>it has an english translation
>feel like I should play it in Japanese anyway even though I'll have to look up nearly every word
I just want to talk to cute 2d girls damn it
>>139201119
Damn dude I guess that guy who's reading Satsukoi right now and spent 11 months on Flyable Heart doesn't need to feel bad anymore. Hopefully you'll go at a much faster pace now.
If you're using http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF you could also copy the log at the end of the day and save it into a text file each day and go by the size of the text file to see how much you read that day. That helps me make sure I'm reading enough every day.
>>139206317
you could always read them side by side
>>139205673
Come to think of it, I forgot to mention that one should DRINK BEER.
>>139206317
>playing English version of VN
>feel guilty the whole time because I could have been reading it in Japanese
A-at least I'm listening to the voices.
What does the "shi" mean that Koiwai uses?
>>139205942
not him, but they can work that way. i've had surprisingly arbitrary mnemonics work. as long as i just assign some personal meaning to the word they become easier to recall.
>>139206783
indicates a reason, aka go read tae kim.
>>139206783
It's a sentence ending particle.
>A conjunction to indicate ‘and’ in an emphatic way.
>And what’s more; not only~but also~; so
>>139207002
>It's a sentence ending particle.
>>A conjunction to indicate
kek
>>139207002
youre looking at the page and you still dont have it holy shit
>>139207087
>>139207138
So I used the wrong term for it. The meaning of it is unchanged, you know.
>>139207179
俺にもわかるし
>>139206387
>http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF
Old link. Most recent one is http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk
I want to learn kanji but I still don't know how to approach it
for those who learnt using RTK and are say, advanced in their studies, when you read, how do you do it in your mind. is kanji so common now that your mind already knows the meaning of the word in the sentence or does your brain go
kanji---->story made for remembering the kanji--->word
sorry of it seems an stupid question
>>139206895
Ahh, I think I understand. I'm looking at DoJG, and it says "and, what's more, but also" and all the examples make it seem like it's used as "blahblah....and in addition...this."
(今日はテニスもしたし映画も見た)
I was wondering where the "this" was in Koiwai's sentence, or if he was just trailing off like, "Jimbo can you do the work of two people and....."
>>139207341
>I want to learn kanji
No you don't.
>>139207341
kanji->mnemonic->english translation->japanese meaning->word
Takes me about 5-10 second to process each kanji. Compound words are a bitch
>>139207341
The story is mostly just there as an initial anchor. It'll fade over time (don't force it to fade out though) but the general concept you have in your mind about it should stay enough that you still know what it means and have no issues distinguishing it from similar looking ones or knowing what it "means" (as long as you learn vocab containing those kanji).
It's kind of like translating to English in your head when you first start reading. Eventually it becomes easier and faster to just read it in Japanese and not really try to parse and translate it in English terms, especially for trickier grammar that's hard to translate literally. Sort of the same thing here.
>>139207341
Learn Chinese first, then Kanji will be easy.
>>139207262
I don't think you use に like that usually. It'd be 俺もわかるし
