Which anime or manga character did you initially respect but lost respect for as time passed by?
I'll start.
8man.
>>139181560
There's something wrong with you if you respected Keiichi in the first place, he's a wimp, meant to be pitied, rather than respected.
>>139183121
I think OP meant Belldandy.
>>139183121
Belldandy, you retard.
Also, I respected Keiichi more after that incident because it wasn't him being a wimp that led him to that point but god shenanigans. K1 was downright alpha in the first few iterations of the manga.
>>139182169
pretty much this
Complaining thread? Complaining thread.
I'm going to vent for a little bit so please feel free to ignore this post. I'll also be trying to avoid major spoilers but I will spoiler what I consider to be minor spoilers.this fucking hebophile degeneratehe says he'll try to "live seriously" and then he goes lusting after the body of a 12-year old despite having the mental age of a guy in his mid 40sI don't care how long you've been a virgin for, how "beautiful" you think this 9-15 girl is, or how desperate you are. Absolutely disgusting.
I'm on vol. 6 out of 21 and I'm considering dropping. Easily my most hated MC of all time. Sorry for the rant.
At first I kinda agreed with his philosophy, but then you get to the part where he killed his father, and R2 where he's all like "muh euphiemia" even though his actions was reversing every effort she made.
sort of gotten a bit of respect back when he joined Lelouch though
>>139181560
DELETE THIS
>>139182891
This should've been OP's main image. Goku is straight up a jobber now.
>>139182891
all DB characters count save maybe Piccolo
>>139181560
Lost respect for Ango. Gained respect for Semimaru.
Theneutered desireplot point actually makes sense if you saw how Keiichi was acting in the first chapter versus the later chapters.
His personality was more of a skeevy and sarcastic Leisure Suit Larry than absolute wimp. He even smokes, which is out-of-character with the later Keiichi.
>>139184453
>degenerate
it's just like hearing the word "cis male" you just know it's from /pol//tumblr
>>139184453
There's some fucking top jokes in this series and most of the secondary cast are decently interesting but yeah, this fucker. Still can't get over the fact he was lusting over what he thought was a 10 yr old boy as well. And he as a 12 yr old was gonna fuck the 12 yr old girl.
>>139184453
Fuck off
>>139184657
Keiichi looks like a completely different person altogether before he was cucked by god.
>>139183747
>K1 was downright alpha in the first few iterations of the manga.
nah, he was a socially inept pansy, who had to resort to a magic wish to get a girlfriend.
He's he progenitor of all the romance manga beta male protagonists
Went from based as fuck to emo retard.
>>139185248
>nah, he was a socially inept pansy, who had to resort to a magic wish to get a girlfriend.
see >>139184657
Read the fucking manga, mong.
He was more like a Leisure Suit Larry. He wasn't always the wimp he was later on, especially when you find out that his libido was locked by heaven so that he won't end up knocking up Belldandy.
>>139183747
>Belldandy, you retard.
she always sucked too. She was a dull as fuck, wimpy doormat.
I always wondered if when she wasn't cooking or cleaning, they just put her away in a cupboard somewhere
>>139185434
Careful with that edge, kid.
>>139185248
>nah, he was a socially inept pansy
Somebody didn't read the manga or know what the context of OP's pic is all about.
>>139185426
It's been ages since I read it(around 2007, I think), but my introduction to the series was reading the first tankobon, and I distinctly remember coming away from the first volume with the impression that keiichi was a wimp.
Though I suspect he probably comes across as far less spineless than some of the romantic leads who came later.
>>139185461
>edge
I swear to God, the uses of that word grow more and more retarded with each passing day
>>139185741
>with the impression that keiichi was a wimp.
>sarcastic
>smokes
>knows all sorts of people sexing it up
>none of the anime tropes about him caring about motorcycles and being a good person is present in the first few chapters
Are you sure you're not confusing the manga with the OVAs? Because it sounds like you are and you're not even aware of the later chapters.
funny thing, I know of more characters I didn't respect at first and then respected more than the other way around
most characters that earn my respect initially keeps it, whereas most faggots I knew were faggots all along.
>>139185828
So people keep using that word when you post, huh?
Maybe you should take a hint, kid.
>>139185885
>kid
>edge
>buzzwords
>ad hominem attacks
Spring break is coming to an end.
>>139185283
Stop talking about naruto like that
>>139186279
Who are you quoting?
Anyway, thank you for proving my point, newfriend.
>>139186661
>newfriend
Keep them coming
>>139184453
He wanted to shape a 5 year old girl into his ideal waifu. This dude is just sick.
And the fact that the first half of the series is about him trying to cure his "illness" and get laid doesn't help either.
>>139184453
>His father impregnates his maid
>Somehow manages to save his ass despite being a 12-year-old kid with the mind of a spineless 40-year-old
>>139186790
>saves the maid because she knew he hid used panties
>>139186740
>madoka.jpg
Bretty new.
>>139186790
Series pretty much says it's not really a matter of Rudi being smart as it is just his parents being dumbasses
Mikasa Ackerman.
>>139181560
I might be alone, but I thought it was good to see seemingly flawless Bell do something wrong, and be called out for it.
>>139183121
>he's a wimp
He threw a VCR into his senpai's head in order to save Belldandy from getting raped.
That's pretty alpha if you ask me.
Kodaka has to be the worst without a doubt. He started off as a great guy. He was helpful, kind, talented, not a pussy, and pretty manly. By the end of the series he became an autistic no balls retard with the maturity of an eight year old.
this cuck
>>139184453
>>139184990
>>139186743
>people actually hating a character because he's a lolicon
/a/ has changed...
>>139187226
To be honest I liked it more that way, than him being an actualy retard, not realizing him every girl wants his dick.
It is a rather new take on this.
>>139187226
The anime really gave the impression he was a literal faggot.
>around all these qts
>all sorts of sexy shenanigans
>seemingly oblivious or annoyed with all their advances
>only really blushes in non-embarrassing situations around Yukimura, whom he thinks is male
It's a story about friendship, and I'm happy it eventually went that route. Any time there was romance (or attempting romance) it was stupid and bad.
>>139184453
Did he ever achieve anything? I dropped it around the erectile dysfunction arc.
>>139187447
It crashed the series though. Kodaka was kind of like the glue holding all of the crazies together. When he turned into just another crazy the story went really weird.
>>139181560
Reverse: Which character started out as a bitch nigga and started gaining your respect through the series?
>Rock from BL
>>139187518he becomes one of the world powers at the end
>>139187613
we can make a good thread for that later
this thread is not only bad all the examples are harem and battle shounen MCs.
>>139187613
Snake from Monogatari.
>>139187622
Did he at least defeatHitosomething? Or was it something stupid like "He is now strong enough to forge his own path" - The END :^).
And more important, did he fuck his cat slave?
>>139184453
I don't count "lusting on lolis" as a fault on /a/ so I kinda disagree. Likewise Rudi was never respectable so he doesn't really apply in this thread (has some awesome moments here and there but otherwise he's a pervert).
his wives on the other hand,
all badasses until they get married then they are all just Rudi's bitches.
>>139187226
>having respect for him in the first place
>>139187849Now strong enough to forge ending, the time the path to Hitogami opens Rudi already died of old age Hitogami even says it's his kids that would fuck him over not him. No he doesn't fuck the beastgirls despite Eris's encouragement he doesn't have a foursome with his three wives though
>>139184453
I really can't see anything wrong with this since he actually reborn as a new person with his memories carries over from his previous life. Other than that he is still a growing child in the new world, heck one would even question if the morality of our world applies to the one he is living now.
Enough said.
>>139188174
This is when you rape them both to assert dominance.
>>139188011
>. No he doesn't fuck the beastgirls despite Eris's encouragement he doesn't have a foursome with his three wives though
I'm glad I dropped it then. I'm having more fun reading slime-kun adventuresand wuxia/xianxia crap.
Thanks for the info.
>>139188106
morality in the world pretty much says: "all Asuran nobles are perverts, period"
the soon to be queen of that kingdom has a fondness for raping noblewomen with a royal dildo. The Boreas Greyrats like purchasing beastgirl slaves by the bulk, and Lelia compared the expression Rudi made to the face all the nobility in Asura made to her when she was a royal bodyguard (she's Paul's maid and eventually second wife mostly due to an event where Paul outright raped her).
>>139188263
did I say "doesn't" on the last part
he DOES have a foursome with wivesbut no beastgirls
>>139182142
Why?
>only harem and battle shounen MC
for those genres "initially respected them" is a compliment. Most MCs of those you don't even have that.
>>139184603
>someone other than me is still reading this shit
I'm glad the love triangle is finally broken, I just hope daldal goes for the college kid instead of going back to pathetic jaegu.
>>139184656
>people on /a/ actually read 7 seeds
I never see anyone post that series on this board, I need to catch up I'm at least 4 chapters behind now. I'm with you, I liked ango in his backstory, but the ptsd has made him an utter cunt. Still waiting for arashi to knock his block off or hana to give him a swift kick in the nuts.
As for semimaru, I've grown to like him more as the series as gone on, along with haru, who I thought was just a little bitch for the longest time, but since him and koruri hooked up I've been enjoying him more and more. Best boy is still aramaki
>>139188241
Except cucked by a cuck never did that. He ran away with his tail in between his legs, like the good cuck that he is.
>>139188466
Went from being Batman to Bleedball within two seasons.
>>139188337
Eh, I guess it's something. Most harems novels pretend threesomes/foursomes don't exist.
It's a shame about thebeastgirls though.LLS MC has the right idea.
>>139188174
KEKED BY A
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>>139188671apparently the spoilers say Yue Yang doesn't fuck anyone either
hopefully that's just a lie
>>139188174
Is this before or after she fucks mc's dad
>>139188174
this is why I never read romance manga with realistic artwork
they always ALWAYS have NTR drama to them
>>139188174
>he's alpha, they said
>he's going to steal the MC's slutty wife, they said
>senpai is best character, they said
>>139188671
apparently it's because of Sylphy. She allowed getting cucked by Roxy and Eris, just not Rinia
unlike Erisbounding Rinia and wanting Rudi to have a threesome with them
>>139184453
Drop it faggot, you're opinion is of a quitter and the series is too good for garbage like you.
>>139188723
That has to be a lie. Even thebloody queen wants to fuck him.
I guess there is always that novel where the guy buys a mansion and starts filling it with female slavesit fucking sucks.
>>139189005
I knew Sylphy was worst girl. She was one of the reasons I dropped the novel in the first place.
Eris and sensei were qts.
>>139187335
It's the ultimate sign, if they can't understand Rudy's human self in the beginning they never belonged here in the first place.
Really when we say lurk for a year it has never been a joke.
>Mandatory copypasta.
This latest chapter has revealed WHY Keiichi has been a eunuch when it comes to Belldandy.
You see, Heaven doesn't like human/goddess crossbreeds. And so, for the entire run (20+ years in real life, 3 years in-universe time), Keiichi has been neutered. Mentally neutered by Heaven. No sexual desire towards his companion. And his mind was also tampered with so he never found this suspicious in the least. But Keiichi could still feel lust for other women, so Belldandy actively scared away females so he wouldn't be tempted away from her.
Now, this is pretty bad. Belldandy knew about this the whole time, and never told him. Oh, she does love him back. But she deceived him for 3 whole years, even admitting to him that she liked being pampered by him after the reveal. And keep in mind, Keiichi is literally a nice and decent enough guy that demons can't tolerate his presence. He's been nothing but loving and supportive of Belldandy, who was a paragon of chaste love and affection.
Hell, that's not even speaking of the two other goddesses, who were freeloading at his house and being treated nicely as well. Urd knew, although she was trying to fix the problem by getting his relationship with Belldandy to go all the way. Still didn't say anything at all. Skuld can be excused, as she had no clue and her mind was blown as well.
And how did he find this out? Fucking Japanese MILF Satan told Keiichi that Heaven was messing with his mind. Belldandy could only try to rationalize it out of shame for having let it take over three years of Keiichi's life. She wanted the seal removed, but she didn't want him to find out about it. Seriously, she was prepared to make a new contract with him without letting him know that he was Heaven's bitch ever since the first chapter.
>>139189151
though the spoiler did say "200 chapters in" and currently it's past 200 chapters
so hopefully he will fuck something in later chaptershopefully the first is Qian Qian, they'll fuck like Tigers
ITT: Ah my goddess and Mushoku Tensei
>>139189221
Yeah this pasta helped clarify my perspective, the series isn't as horrible as people think. The problem is there was probably one of the best anime movies of it's time and the manga considers that development non-canon, so instead of the perception of a trial to test their love, it turns out heaven fucked up the whole situation from the beginning.
I really can't judge a series without a reread, still warming up to it.
>>139184453
Rudi was a alpha protag despite being pathetic in his before life. My gripe with the series are that he never visited the seaman or heaven countries and couldn't bang the literal semen demon since she's already married.
>>139181560
Can't understand to hate to belldandy. She is just a character victim of a braindead creator.
The "twist" was just a pathetic deus ex machina to justify the characters not growing up. The change of time after the first year is a clear sign of the author trying to extend the story just... because and, of course, without any plan about the end.
Blame the fucking author for 20 years of zero character development and for not ending the series soon enough.
>>139184453
all I can say is that if you didn't like characters like Tomoki from SnO you'll probably never like Rudithough at least Rudi fucks his harem unlike Tomoki
luckily he's not even the best character in his series
>>139188816
That is hentai not romance.
>>139189847
my point still stands
>>139189707
It's clear that there are a few faithful who picked up MT when it was being translated before that dropped it when Eris got no development, which to be fair is a legit reason, her character settled way too quickly.
It's also clear some people wouldn't get what MT was about in the first place as a type of redemption wish fulfillment, it doesn't follow typical traits of hero gets an overpowered gift, everything was obtained from the world, his choice of training hard in adolescence is the reason he's a mana battery, which is pretty damn important point for character development.
His attitude that normal fags would find atrocious improves as he grows older, he didn't grow up to be the type of man to fuck around, he treasured what was most important to him and that was his 3 girls, then his family.
>>139181560
I wonder if this reveal is what tanked the series. The end of this arc felt like an odd place to end on, given that an SoL with them possibly raising a kid would have been pretty interesting.
>>139181560
Well MC is retarded and should have known something was up after all those years of no boners. Doesnt take a genius to figure out somethings wrong with your dick if you can't get it up.
>>139187613
Definitely Rock. I thought about that before I even finished reading your question and saw you were thinking the same thing
>>139187005
I think most of the hate just comes from people who hate NTR, even in it's abstract forms. Belldandy literally gave her entire life to him, except the one thing she was not allowed to do out of obligation to her family. Along with that, she already loved him and saw how miserable it could make people via her sister if she failed the final test. I just think it should have been better foreshadowed.
>Ctrl+F
>no Shinji Ikari
After I grew up my mind started subconsciously making Kaji the protagonist. Sometimes Asuka too. Maybe in 20 years when I'm married and have a kid I'll be rooting for Gendo. I've already admitted to myself that he wasn't actually a bad guy.
>>139190056
And he won. Which is a huge improvement over his reality bending, gravity master, timelord self who just lost so miserably it's not even funny.
Oldeus was the wish fulfillment MC. He lost. Anyone he ever treasured was gone and despite being able to oneshot anyone in the series he wasn't able to reach where Hitogami was, nor was he able to save anyone he loved.
Rudeus was a good character who never lost the sight of things. He won. He saved his family. He was the weaker one in the final fight but he won. Alek thought it was because he planned ahead, Orsted knew that it was because Rudi had allies and plans both.
>>139190345
>INITIALLY respect
nigga do you read?
>>139184453
He was a fat virgin pedophile who deceived two people younger than him into raising a literal stranger who was possessing the corpse of their baby.
You shouldn't have respected him in the first place.
>>139181560
Sakurai from GANTZ. I still don't know what the fuck happened to him.
>>139190497
Everyone went through that "Shinji isn't bad, he's US! He did nothing wrong!" phase, don't lie.
>>139190382
Rudi is wish fulfillment. He never did anything his entire life, got hit by a truck, and became rich with 3 wives.
>>139190577
they said it in response to the fact no one respected him. He was whiny in the beginning and he was whinny at the end.
In fact if you were keeping score people GAINED respect for him as the series went on originally it was in the negatives by the end it was in a happy 0.
>>139190669
also
>thinking relatability = respect
>>139190669
That's still technically in line with OP's question.
The opposite happened with Asuka desu
>>139190725
Only if you have relatively high self esteem.
I like Shinji, am I so fucked up?
>>139190770
Asuka still fought to save the world despite trying to kill herself because her crush died and going into a coma not even days ago.
>>139190643
You don't understand the concept of wish fulfillment. Rudi lost way too many times, he had to compensate a lot and even then in the end he managed to save his family, yes, but he's a glorified slave to Orsted.
He didn't manage to save Fittoa
He failed during the coup and it took Orsted to come and reveal his hand
He failed to stop Alek as well, resulting in Orsted spending his mana, which was already depleted due to Rudeus playing in Hitogami's hand
He lost his father
He is not all powerful, he's not a Mary Sue.
Never in the series you say "oh ok this is an asspull"
Not to mention the entire fuck up which was Mills Arc
While we're talking about fuckups how about the shit that goes down whenever he goes to Zanoba's homeland? He's like a plague to the place.
It would be wish fulfillment if for example he won against Orsted when Eris arrived or he somehow magically managed to solo Alek or made out of the labyrinth with no losses.
>>139191015
>tumblr
Tumblr wanks so hard to super Hitler.
>>139190643
he trained his ass off, he escorted a noblegirl to the otherside of the world, he saved an eternal loli, he defeated a dragon, he prepared the entire world to be ready when facing an 1000 year ancient evil
WHAT MORE DO YOU FUCKING WANT!
>>139191071
Stay mad that I download the first one I find off Google
>>139191030
So? It's wish fulfillment because the reader's wishes were fulfilled. Unironic fans of MT are so out of touch with reality.
It wouldn't be wish fulfillment of if Rudi reincarnated and led a comparatively pathetic life thereupon.
>>139191168
I wasn't talking about you, just how introspective shinji gifs all come from tumblr.
>>139190172
>all those years of no boners.
he could probably get it up, just not for Belldandy
>>139191081
>people say it isn't wish fulfillment because there's conflict
I mean even getting Eris kidnapped and beaten worked out dandy for him.
>>139187226
I'm in the minority, I like Kodaka. He had very believable and understandable motives for not wanting to choose a girl. He wanted friends, not a girlfriend.
I didn't watch the anime though, only read the LNs so I'm not sure if he seemed worse in the anime.
>>139191304
Oh okay, that is true.
Wow I'm a sperg.
>>139191555
The LNs made him pathetic.
Dumped by his own servant
Rejected by a pervert
Virgin by default
Utter fucking garbage.
>>139191227
thing is we are mostly comparing Rudi to other OPMCs of the genre
compared to manga MCs he's pretty average, compared to the likes of Rou, Tatsuya, Kirito, Hajime, Rimiru, etc. guy doesn't seem all that wish-fulfillment
though he still gets riches and a harem so it still counts
>>139191408
only because he gets saved by Eris's bodyguard, he's Princess Peach-tier with regards to how many times he has to be saved (though Peach is wish-fulfillment in it of itself).
>>139191641
Wasn't he dumped because Yukimura realized he valued the club more than her though? I don't think he wanted to date her all that much.
>>139191720
>thing is we are mostly comparing Rudi to other OPMCs of the genre
Doesn't matter. Most of those are derivative of MT's success anyways. They just turned it up to 11.
>>139191227
>It's wish fulfillment because the reader's wishes were fulfilled
From your point of view Raskolnikov is also a wish fulfillment character. Would you take his life?
From your point of view Ciaphas Cain is also a wish fulfillment character. Would you take his place?
>It wouldn't be wish fulfillment of if Rudi reincarnated and led a comparatively pathetic life thereupon.
Then it wouldn't be eventful, which would make it a shitty novel.
>>139191948
really it's based on the definition of "wish fulfillment"
Like your definition is "MC that lives what the audience wishes they had" which I argue is not exactly a bad thing (fantasy IS fantasy after all), but does make MT count among it
but the people who says it isn't wish-fulfillment their definition is "character that doesn't experience any hardship (besides tragic backstory) and difficulty whatsoever and becomes the most unstoppable mofo in the world with everything he ever desired and that the only conflict is 'will the OPMC make it in time!' since all conflict are easily resolved by him" you greentexted that having conflict doesn't disqualifies the series from being wish-fulfillment but under that definition it does.
>Doesn't matter. Most of those are derivative of MT's success anyways. They just turned it up to 11.
really disagree with that (only series I see inspired by it is Bocchi Tenseiki)
>>139191140
you knowI think Eris and Rudy is Gorry and Lina with a bunch of attributes switched between them
>>139192124
Yes I would because I'm a shitty virgin loser. I'd take anyone's place.
Going to a fantasy world where you're hot, naturally talented, and girls like you with barely any effort on your part, is obviously wish fulfillment.
Even Re:Zero borders on wish fulfillment and I wouldn't touch that life with a 10 foot pole.
>>139184603
THIS 100 TIMES.
>>139188556
Not anon you replied to but I'm glad that shit is done. I wish they didn't fall off from fighting etc. they need to bring back the sword girl.
>>139192124
>implying Ciaphas Cain isn't wish fulfillment
>implying it isn't one of the most wish-fulfillment content 40k has to offer
in the grimdark future of the 41st millennium there is inquisitor waifus, blank bros, everyone thinks you are a badass, and you get a great retirement!
>>139184453
go back to le tumblr xD sjw faggot.
>>139181560
what happened here? did she ntr the guy or what?
>>139185563
please explain
>>139192918
your pic is more related than you think
>>139192885
thanks you, and wow, what a bitch. Now i understand all the hate.
>>139192480
Enjoy your life at russian gulag with prostitute waifu then.
Honestly though if you feel that shitty you can try and change your life. I mean at worst you can roid and get shredded in a year and then slay mad party girl pussy. Beats being a "shitty virgin loser".
>>139192657
Grimdark part kills it. Everything is trying to kill you, you're a literal shitter whose job is to die as a fodder while the big boys of Space Marine corps are on their way. Your only hope of victory is in ICU for a millennia.
>>139193185
yet Cain still wins at the end and gains a rep that probably is bigger than most Marines
wish fulfillment
>>139193185
>Enjoy your life at russian gulag with prostitute waifu then
FYI I already have a prostitfu
>>139189350
>>139189151
yue yang didnt fuck anyone at the current translated chapter, but let me tell you thatfucking is one of the main point, YY will need to do it a lot, that's why the gag about pushing down X and Y is used so much
>>139191140
Now that you mentioned it Eris can also use two swords which only a skill gods like Kirtio have
>>139193494
it kinda feels like every character is an LN protag in their own right
>Orsted is the strongest in the world, apart of the special snowflake dragon race, and has a katana
>Zanoba is a prince and good strategist, has a slave loli waifu and a weird hobby that doesn't really get in the way
>Sylphy is a secret agent for the crown who is a master of both fighting, magic, and healing and has a tragic backstory about being persecuted for being different
>Paul is basically Rance
and so on
>>139193458
>she die
fuck you
>>139193804
She NTR'd first so it's coo
>>139192480
>Re zero
> wish fulfillment
you wish.
>>139184453
I love the replies of the assblasted subhuman lnfags responding to this, good on you anon
>>139193954
It's wish fulfillment until they kick you in the balls and slam your penis into a meat grinder.
>>139184603
fucking Gaygu
>>139193804
She NTR'd the protagonist for no reason so fuck the slut.
>>139194065
You might wanna call it bait fulfillment.
>>139194031
Not him, but I never realized how easy it is to trigger lolicons.
>>139194310
Its no surprise their degeneracy leads to a persecution complex. Of course they get triggered easy.
>>139184656
Has anyone won MC-chan yet?
>>139190280
It's not really NTR, but it's a huge breach of trust to magically neuter you without telling you, and taking advantage of that for fucking years.
>>139194234
To move the plot. But it was insult to injury that it was with a guy that kicked the protagonist's ass.
It also helped him get with best girl (who was still a virgin at 26 because her pussy-ass exbf tried to fuck her but it hurt too much so she just have him a lackluster BJ)
>>139184603
Screw you, I hate this romance/drama crap. Hope it finally returns to the martial arts genre.
>>139184603
Was this whole thing just done for drama? Cause it makes no fucking sense to me.
I don't get it.
He turned out to be such a selfish cunt.
>>139194512
>To move the plot
>this is how ntrfags justify their shit
>>139184603
>>139194557
Oh this is gilrs of the wilds?
Man, the MC was so interesting the first few chapters when he was telling off the stuck-up bitches, then he became generic as fucking fuck.
Boxer best girl.
Introduced as one of the few balanced and likably flawed characters and turns into a pathetic unwarrantably narcissistic slob. Which is especially weird since nearly every character that was introduced as total asshole turned out to be really nice.
>>139194836
Well that's the only explanation for her being NTR'd and killed off in 2 pages.
MC couldn't up and save his sister with a 35+ year old prostitute as a girlfriend
>>139194731
>read York New arc
>"revenge is not the answer!"
>read Chimera ant arc
>"I must have my revenge, fuck the cat girl that killed the guy I've only been with for two days at most!"
>>139194948
To be fair that happens quite often in anime and manga: with side characters revenge is portrayed as a corrupting downfall that won't achieve any goal, while for main characters it's always a noble duty he has to perform for upholding the good memory of a fallen friend.
>>139195107
That just means shit inconsistent writing happens often, it's not really excusable.
>>139195203
A character acting hypocritical does not equal shit writing.
>>139184603
guy is fucked up, has no self worth at all, it's only natural he wouldn't think he was good enough for the girls.
The sword girl needs to come back and heal him. Please.
>>139195299
It does if it's not treated as hypocrisy. Because then it's the author that's hypocritical, not the character.
Both of them are disgusting
>>139195203
that or just the lofty ideals of a kid can't really be taken seriously
>>139195392
but it is treated as hypocrisy
Togashi just doesn't judge loudly his characters
>>139195392
yea Gon's revenge is totally portrayed righteous and heroic instead of self destructive
>>139195488
I haven't read it so I can't say, but I find that rather hard to believe. If it's portrayed as misguided in this case then I take it back but the point stands in general.
>"with side characters revenge is portrayed as a corrupting downfall that won't achieve any goal, while for main characters it's always a noble duty he has to perform"
>>139195518
I haven't read it so I don't know if you're being sarcastic.
>>139195394The NBR really put me off, I admit it.
>>139195587
>I haven't read it
Why are even bothering to talk about it?
>>139195620
I wasn't. I was responding to >>139195107
>>139195587
>I haven't read it
>>139195688
>I wasn't talking about it I was just talking about it
Maybe you shouldn't respond to topics about things you haven't read then.
>>139196231
Whether or not I've read it changes nothing, because I responded to a general statement about revenge in manga, and as such my point stands.
>>139195605
it's so fucking painful to look at
>>139194731
you didnt realize that during the hunter exam?
>>139194731
>>139194948
>>139187613
So true. Whenever it first started I thought Rock was going to be the "Whiny main character amongst way cooler characters" type of guy.
But as the show goes on he just gets more and more based. One of the best MCs ever.
>>139196626
TOGASHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>139194507
It's NTR in the same way pic related is NTR which is not at all. It's something that's perceived by the audience to be worse than it is.
I'd argue that Belldandy really isn't taking advantage of K1. She gives him everything except sex, and it's not like their relationship isn't fulfilling (think of how many times they bike together in the manga). Her sisters take advantage of K1 more than Belldandy. It is a breach in trust, but one that's imposed on her. It's like not telling someone you are a secret agent. You are lying to them by omission, but due to your job you really can't fix that.
>>139196907
If my dick says it's NTR, it's NTR
>>139187613
This scene gave me a raging erection and I didn't even realize Revy was naked.
>>139197080
Is Black Lagoon still on hiatus?
>>139195605
>Oedipus complex
>Childhood friend get
>Your Mom has a thing for her Dad
>Gives it up because of you
>Focus on childhood friend now
>plant flags for years
>first kiss get
>many blushus get
>on again off again, will they? won't they?, type deal with her
>all of a sudden she rejects you
>broke up with your girlfriend to confess to her
>your Mom is getting remarried to a faceless guy you don't know
>she still has some lingering regrets over the guy who you've adopted as your father figure
>childhood friend is impregnated by your father figure, who also happens to be her Dad.
>basically your love rival has been living under the same roof with your crush for years
>you are all alone
How many prostitutes does Kouki need to murder to achieve an erection now?
>>139181560
I initially was so hyped to see him in action.
>>139197080
>Rock rambling on about philosophical shit
>Revy just standing there disappointed he won't fuck her
I love how much their relationship changes from the beginning to the present.
>>139197143
Yes sir. Waiting for Rock to become so evil that even Revi walks out is killing me.
>>139197535
Reread/Rewatch with this in mind
>Rock is a wolf raised in captivity
>Revy is a dog forced to survive in the wild
It makes the entire experience so much cooler when you see all the subtle signs and nods.
>>139196907
Well no shit it's fulfilling, magical eunuchs can't feel unfulfilled.
>>139196626
its called character development nerds
>>139197684
I dont blame nor find this stupid, on the contrary, i like how Gon was pretty naive at the start and discovered how the world of adult/hunter works
>>139197671
There's more to relationships than sex, anon.
>>139189221
>He got Cucked by Heaven
>>139197887
That's up to HIM to decide, and he cannot make a decision because he's literally brainwashed not to care.
>>139197369
Beautiful
>>139192226
I'm of the mind that wish fulfillment is partly about relative treatment and focus. Like how much events, characters, and interactions are designed to wank the MC as loved, lucky, and amazing, as compared to other characters.
Sword Art Online
As a video game fanatic, I was expecting a lot of game mechanic shenanigans. All I got was some half assed romance literally written by a 15-year-old.
>>139181560
UBW Shirou. First I thought he was the standard heroic type. Then I realized he doesn't care about results and just wants to chase the idea of "trying to save everyone".
It's like a lot of battle-shounen MCs, only the story had just enough self-awareness to remind you of how retarded that really is. Then there's HF Shirou who falls off the cliff completely. But he condemns himself as a terrible person, so it works thematically.
>>139198379
under that definition MT isn't much wish fulfillment at all
even his reputation gets all contributed to Banana at the end.
>>139188671
>I am the adulterer
never has a series made me pity antagonists as much as LLS
Whiny entitled asshole constantly seeking for more excuses and people to blame for his shitty life. Not that I liked him much from the start but back then it at least looked funny and light-hearted.
Disgusting
>>139199416
NEETdom is never funny and light-hearted
it's a disease
>>139199646
The world is diseased for it to product such rotten fruit.
>>139199227
Not the earlier MT guy, but there's a lot less than I expected, I agree. I skipped the manga before when I saw harem, reincarnation, and LN. But after browsing a random few chapters, there isn't much focus on that at all.
Though I've heard some LNs--like long running manga--only take the dive later on.
>>139184603
>GOTW
Just fuck that series with an iron dick
MC had 0 traits other than being completely fucking pathetic, and the drama crap was god awful. I dropped it when it made it painfully clear that whats her face was going to be the end girl despite her not being around at all. Just fuck everything about the series
>>139199227
unless you only read the first Volume then you would think "everyone loves and adores Rudi and he can do no wrong"
but that's because
-his father was a manchild
-his mother is a sheltered princess
-his teacher has self-esteem issues
-his childhood friend is 5
-and Rudi has the mentality of a high schooler (which is mature considering he is 5 and more mature than Paul)
all these comeback to haunt them
>>139188174
>>Story about ntr
>>Respecting any mc
Am I missing something here?
>>139200290
most of the examples are harem protags and battle shounen MCs
>>139200332
Yeah but posting ntr mc's as someone you lost respect for is like saying the sky looks blue. Who would even respect him from the start?
>>139182891
>was a kid
>"I want to be like Goku!"
>grown up, watch DB again
>"I don't want to be as a piece of shit of parent as Goku is."
>>139200467
>>Choosing kids over training yourself
Disgusting.
>>139200467
>Was a kid
>Holy shit goku can take rockets with his face!
>Grown up, watch DBS
>Holy shit goku got wrecked by a decoder ring laser AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay so saying I respected him to begin with is a bit of a stretch, but lets have a round of applause for the most unlikable betafuck ever created. Hell even the hack author doesnt like him, he made it so the mc is pretty in such a way that he could be the only virgin in the entire school, MADE HIM A LITERAL KEK, and had him flush away every single chance to ever man the fuck up
>>139184453
Guess you miss the point.
This series is actually about how he transform from a pedophile pathetic tresh to a respected family man who goes genocidal if you hurt his kids.
The best part of the series, beside the family time SOL parts, was watching how MC grows into a decent human being.
>>139200681
>he made it so the mc is pretty in such a way that he could be the
haha ok wow
>>139187005
She wasn't called out for it. That was the problem. K1 just gone
>okay, you mindfucked me for years but I still love you so it's okay
At least if she would do something to earn his forgivnes and get back his trust, but no, it Keichi who had to gone throught all those test to prove he is worthy for that lieing whore.
>>139200159
>All that damage control
kek I bet you can spot the exact moment where the author's masturbatory notepad document started making money.
>>139200681
>Hell even the hack author doesnt like him
It's different. The author literally has a NTRbait fetish.
>>139201324
I know, the fuck even put out his own rape doujins of the characters. We ca
>>139201324
>pick up a Dal young
>try not to become invested because you know there's gonna be oneesan NTR
>20 chapters in
>no oneesan NTR
>become invested
>chapter 21
>hot sadistic rich guy shows up who is her boss or senpai
>mfw
>>139187335
>/a/ has changed...
>...
Yeah, there are more faggots typing like retards
>>139188337
>he DOES have a foursome with wivesbut no beastgirls
Taking into account that his 3 wives are the worst girls of the series, it's nothing
>>139201749
>Going apeshit about ellipses
Autism speaks, it's time to listen.
>>139202052
>Defending ellipsis
Fuck off newfag
>>139187226
Kodaka went from alpha tier to chuu2 MC tier, disappointed.
>>139184603
Dropped like a fatman on Nagasaki.
>>139197610
You want more Brack Ragoon?
Too bad, have some more yaoi!
>>139203713
>Rei Hiroe is a guy
>>139201194
>Confirmed for only reading the first volume
>>139204802
>Confirmed for reading the subsequent volumes
>Which anime or manga character did you initially respect but lost respect for
>>139203713
He draws a lot of soft humiliation and BDSM.
>>139184453
Fucking kill yourself you fucking cuck
Reee
>>139205460
>unironic MT fans
>>139200749
>The best part of the series, beside the family time SOL parts, was watching how MC grows into a decent human being.
I really don't see how he wasn't a decent human being from the very beginning though, at least after reincarnating.
In fact that might be the most unrealistic part of it all, how he immediately transformed himself from a pathetic useless NEET to a hardworking diligent person upon reincarnating. In fact he probably worked harder as a shota than during his later years.
>>139200749
Absolutely nothing is different about him besides having a hot /fit/ talented body.
>>139206430
>reading books has a practical use in le magic world
>nothing to do but read all day
>which he already did in his trash life
>tfw can't jack off because your pp don't work yet
>finally can jack off
>get into school off parents (of the dead kid whose body you're inhabiting's) connections
>get job as an adventurer
>essentially just a vagrant if you used the real world's standards
Honestly, it was the world that changed. The real moral you can derive from MT is
>I don't need to change! Girls would like me if they saw what I was like inside! Muh genetics!
>>139184657
What was the actual turning point for him as a character? I want to say the biggest shift was right after that King of Darkness plotline 4 or so volumes in.
>>139196907
I have always thought this was one of the dumbest fucking things for anons to get pissy over. Kurasawa was an edgy cunt that you weren't supposed to be rooting for. He hung out with her for a bit in a library, the other guy was actually proactive and getting closer to her.
>>139208224
I thought the entire point was to see him get the shit kicked out eventually. I don't know why anons cared about that page either?
>>139208467
There are actually people that complain about Kurosawa developing over the course of a coming of age manga.
>>139208563
Because he was better before his "development".
>>139205258
>lost respect for Kaiji
Literally how? He starts as an edgy cunt stealing hood ornaments, and becomes a complete degenerate risk seeker.
>>139207664
>(of the dead kid whose body you're inhabiting's)
I feel sorry for the real Rudi
>>139192480
>Re:Zero
>wish fulfillment
I get the feeling that even the people at the local S&M club think you are a bit strange.
>>139182891
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