>Free movie flopped
>Velvet Evergarden LN flopped
>Musaigen flopped
What's the next step of their master plan?
Continue making flops until they join manglobe.
Handicapped people's forced drama.
>>139153158
I hope it is making Amagi second season.
Crashing this industry
>>139153158
>Velvet Evergarden LN flopped
Source?
>>139153280
it didn't even chart
I was just reading a news article about staff for the 3-Gatsu no Lion anime today, and couldn't help but notice that the art director is ex-KyoAni.
Their talent is abandoning ship.
>>139153158
Hopefully making something with an actual plot
Haruhi S3
Ruin KnK.
I love how their whole own the ip thing is firing back at them
turns out you can only get absolute garbage like KnK and Musaigen
Fucking KyoAni are such tryhards just give us Haruhi S3 and Lucky Star stop trying to branch out and be different and shit it's not working.
>>139153158
>Free movie flopped
>Velvet Evergarden LN flopped
>Musaigen flopped
Source?
>>139153319
Thank god. This shit studio and their shitty LN shilling needs to go bankrupt.
>>139153260
Yeah muthafucka yeah
>>139153366
Cant studios create original shows like puella magica, why is using source material so important for anime industry?
>>139153260
This I can get behind.
>>139153677
Because a well established previous material means the publisher of such material is the one paying the bills and it doesn't matter how well the anime sells as long as it serves as a commercial to improve sales. With original anime you are betting it will attract a fanbase big enough to pay the bills with BD sales and merchandising, or else you'll be in a problem.
Move to Tokyo and start over as Toani.
>>139153929
right coz japs cant make a product thats monetized world wide at launch for some reason
>>139153366
Their owning the IP thing was for money; they thought people would buy up their shit no matter what just because of their name/quality and they could get away with polishing turds.
The other thing is they got caught up in some of their own gravitas if you will; in the early 2010s they were without a doubt considered the best around and probably had crowds of people in suits from Kadokawa, Shueisha, various mangaka/LN authors etc going on their knees begging for adaptations. So they turned their backs on them for the most part and started having contests to have grass-roots IPs ignoring all the popular shit, basically they were like "fuck all this big corporate shilling, we're going to stick up for the little guy, of course provided we own his IP".
So it's like a false nobility kicked in, really motivated more by a.) money and b.) creative control. If you're adapting some no-namer's work you can do whatever the fuck you want to do it and all 10 of his fans he had before KyoAni picked him up will get mad, but no one else will care, which is very different from how for example JCstaff sometimes picks up good, well known works but if they fuck with them the fans revolts and no one buys it. Which also plays into their egos and is a real two-face behavior from their supposed humbleness of picking up these no-namers. I bet behind the scenes they've gotten into arguments with some of these authors and they go "you should be grateful we not only picked up you up from nothing, but we're improving your work on top of it".
I'd imagine Kadokawa et al are not at all happy with KyoAni turning their backs on them to do this shit either; a rapprochement from this situation is probably going to be a slow process. Amagi happened probably solely because of Gatoh being a bro with high-ups there.
>>139153929
Good point there
>>139153260
So waste money on even more flops?
>>139154191
Amagi didn't flop you retard.
>>139153158
Phantom World is underrated. It would have been better with more fanservice and harem antics, but it was quite okay. Definitely better than the other shit they usually make.
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>>139153158
step up the /u/
>>139154191
It didn't sell that bad.
>>139154234
But it did.
Also, it was shit. Literally the only good thing about it were the character designs of the girls. The protagonist wasn't likeable and the plot was boring as fuck.
>>139154242
A D O L E S C E N C E
Oh my, they are dying. O shit, this is the end. Surely. They shouldn't have pissed some random anon off. These numbers are as bad as Manglobe. Oh, fuck they are bankrupt.
>>139153329
Kyoani dead studio walking?
>>139154242
Yurishit has had a very long outstanding history of tanking. I can't think of a full-on hard-in-the-paint yuri show that has ever made any notable amount of cashflow.
>>139154239
>It would have been better with more fanservice and harem antics
No.
>>139154284
But it didn't. You also have shit tastes.
>>139154330
Yes.
They should put their skills to some use.
>>139153677
Well, it helps if the show is actually good like Madoka.
>>139153319
That sucks. It actually looked interesting, unlike 90% of their recent works.
>>139154357
I find it more likely that it's you who has shit taste.
>>139153319
Pretty sure none of their LNs except for High Speed ever charted, though.
>>139153677
They tried with Tamako, and Free was almost an original considering the anime was only a loose adaptation of an LN which wasn't even released at the time the anime aired. One succeeded, the other had average sales at best. Also, original anime are huge gambles: for every Madoka or GuP, there's an Argevollen or Bubuki.
>>139154284
>6K+ is a flop
What fucking planet do you live on?
>>139154284
>But it did.
>Also, it was shit.
Incorrect.
>>139154451
Compare it to their actually successful works like K-ON.
>>139153348
That's the last resort.
>>139154284
>>139154451
I think he means 6k is a flop relative to most of their previous shows selling 20-40k. For the supposed top dog 6k is peanuts.
>>139154494
None of these are buzzwords. I told you precisely what was bad about the show.
>>139154451
Yeah it's a flop for KyoAni standards. But you never know, maybe it'll get a movie like Tamako "the big flop" Market got.
>>139154476
>moving goalposts
>>139153158
>Velvet Evergarden
Also where's your proof it flopped?
Kyoani has god tier character design and a lot of their shows are my favorites but the material they're adapting recently is awful.
>>139154322
Overt yuri and overt yaoi? Otakus and fujos are all for subtext, see Free and the adolescence of Hibikek.
If they did a yuri anime the girls would look really good though.
>>139154095
Weren't there also some tax breaks/benefits involved too, or am I thinking of another studio?
Maybe Aniplex-kun has a point about those douches, but you'd think more people here would ask questions about Kyoanus' business practices that "all the other studios should aspire to".
>>139153260
They can't do that silly, because they'll be busy with the new FMP.;_;
>>139154095
Nah, they trying to do their own thing was an ok move, and the technical quality of their work has clearly improved as a consequence of they having the creative control over it.
The problem in that, so far, the scripts they have assembled are pale at best. I don't know if it's a consequence of how much they are allowed to mess with the original material that makes everything kinda the same, or just that the big editorials catch all the good writers.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, their situation is not that bad as /a/ tries to portray it. I think unless they get a row of really bad flops they can sustain themselves with their current business model.
So why don't PA Works or BONES get spergy threads like this every day? They have actual flops.
>>139154553
Nobody is moving goalposts. A flop is a flop. KyoAni doesn't produce cheaply so their shows are more expensive and they need to sell more in order to be successful.
Fact is: Amaburi sold like shit in comparison with actually good shows like K-ON.
>>139154476
>HURR is a flop because DURR sold a fuckload
You heard it here first, folks. PPD!, Negima!?, Hidamari Sketch, and SZS were all financial disasters because they only sold a fraction of Bake's 100K after box set sales.
Fuck off, retard.
>>139154637
Refer to >>139154630 you worthless subhuman.
>>139154637
>were all financial disasters because they only sold a fraction of Bake's 100K after box set sales
Yes they were, and it's evident that Shaft knows it too considering how much they whore out the Monogatari franchise.
>>139154377
excluding rebellion*
>>139154630
Stop moving goalposts. You said it flopped, it didn't, and now you're trying to compare its sales to another show as damage control.
>KyoAni doesn't produce cheaply
[citation needed]
>>139154713
>KyoAni doesn't produce cheaply
>[citation needed]
Look at it you dumb fuck.
>>139154627
I wonder about BONES. Their adaptations are ok, but I don't get how they manage to keep doing these low sales original anime every year.
I just hope they keep creating them no matter what.
>>139153158
Change their name to KoitoAnimation
>>139154608
I think we think they're doing awful now but actually because they own the IPs, they probably do similar to when they were before.
The thing is though, if they wanted to take advantage of their owning the IPs, where is the merchandise, if the BD sales aren't the big deal? KyoAni shows lately seem surprisingly sparse for figures, tie-in games and all that crap. I haven't liked a lot of their shows lately, but probably would bite on a nice scale of Shinka, or a nendoroid Kumiko or something. So where is it? I guess what they expect is to boost sales of the source LNs, sort of like the standard practice of having random studios adapt big publisher LNs and then those LNs getting a big boost. Only here KyoAni is that publisher.
>>139154637
Again, consider the production costs. SZS and Hidamari were made on shoestring budgets; I imagine considerably more money was allotted to K-On.
>>139154713
>Stop moving goalposts
Not him, but might I remind you we are in a KyoAni sales thread, not a general sales thread. KyoAni sales DO have different standards when you're the studio who exploited Haruhi, and K-On, and Free, for a hefty sum of money.
>>139154491
If that's what it takes, then I hope this trend of flops continues.
>>139154630
>KyoAni doesn't produce cheaply so their shows are more expensive and they need to sell more in order to be successful.
KyoAni's production costs aren't much higher than most studios. KyoAni is like one of four studios that has a stable production schedule and has their shows like 90% done before the first episode airs instead of being like "Oh, episode X is airing this Thursday I guess we should finally get started on animating it or something" like Toei's H-grade studios, Gainax, and Zebec.
>>139154444
High Speed didn't chart. It was a fanbook that charted.
>>139154637
They were never top selling anime, but SHAFT could go with it because they have "optimized" almost every production step so they can keep making anime with peanuts.
>>139154804
Or CoitusAnimation and specialize in hentai
>>139153366
>Haruhi
Kyoani is not the creator they cant decide what to do whit a franchise that doest belong to them. Also didn't you get the memo? Japan doest care about Haruhi anymore.
Kyoani tried to beat the system by cutting out the middleman and failed miserably.
>>139154978
>Japan doest care about Haruhi anymore.
That's not true, the Pachinko is a huge success!
>>139154904
You must be literally the most retarded motherfucker on this board if you think production quality wasn't related to expenses.
If it looks better, it's more expensive, since the people who can make things look better can rightfully demand more for their work than those who can't.
And in order to afford this standard KyoAni needs to sell more than others. Amaburi didn't do that, it sold like shit in relation to their actually good and successful shows and for good reason: because it was a shitty show that nobody should watch.
>>139154987
This is true.
>>139154817
K-On wasn't even that amazing.
If anything Hyouka had a bigger budget.
>>139154987
They failed?
>>139155067
Not him but I recall it being quoted lately that KyoAni claims their budgets for shows are not actually that different from what other studios do, they just have a really talented team and professional work culture.
For example I can tell that some of the surprisingly well-animated parts of Nichijou were probably little projects for training up-and-coming animators, that sort of thing. And of course these animators would be happy to spend all day and night working on these scenes because they could brag to their friends and family that they did this scene in a motherfuckin' KyoAni anime and thus they're the shit.
Like for example someone at Apple or Google is probably proud of their job, looks forward to bragging to people about where they work etc. I guarantee people are that way with KyoAni, and work extra hard just so they can maintain that mystique, that status of "I'm a KyoAni animator, lick my shoes and I may consider talking to you". However if the studio reputation goes down the tubes this probably won't work so well anymore and people won't try as hard to fit the bill.
>>139155264
It's kinda looking that way. Since they left Kadokawa they've had more misses than hits.
>>139155264
Yes, almost all of their originals or adaptations of self-published shows have had lukewarm responses at best
>>139155343
Hey, all things fall apart. 30 years ago Pierrot was one of the top studios.
>>139153260
Hopefully never, it would be their worst anime if not for Phantom.
>>139155264
Free S1 29,108
Free S2 22,290
Chunibyo S1 15,797
Euphonium 8,329
Chunibyo S2 7,066
Kyoukai no Kanata 6,020
Tamako Market 4,840
Nah, they're doing decently.
>>139155343
>Not him but I recall it being quoted lately that KyoAni claims their budgets for shows are not actually that different from what other studios do, they just have a really talented team and professional work culture.
I'm certain literally any company out there would tell you the same in regards to their success.
You might be able to start a successful business like that, but in order to maintain and expand it you need money.
>>139155465
But that's not Tamako Market
>>139153158
>Musaigen flopped
I like no Musaigen no Phantom World and I don't give a shit what anyone says.
From thick fairy thighs to a incestuous makeout session, it's been great fun.
>>139155493
>Free S1 29,108
>Free S2 22,290
Where did those ~7000 fujos go?
Free movie underperformed based on their expectations but it's still a top 20 when it comes to ticket sales for late night anime.
>>139155453
And at the same time, some new top dogs are emerging, for example people don't tend to diss Dogakobo even if they've had some shitty shows lately (plastic memories, luck and logic etc) because they so fondly remember YuruYuri, Nozaki-kun, Love Lab etc and just have a general infatuation with the studio. I'm kind of that way myself; I give Doga deference because you just know they're really fucking good.
I don't exactly do that with KyoAni anymore, more like "this has maybe 50-50 odds of being ok".
>>139155564
Ruru almost saved the show
>>139155465
What? You still have Chunishit, Kanata, Tamako TV, and Clannad, which are objectively their lowest achievements.
>>139155566
Hopefully to whatever the fujo homo equivalent of Gensokyo is. San Francisco maybe?
>>139155620
Ruru is one of the worst parts of the show
>>139154855
I don't understand Haruhifags. They are obsessive enough to still hope for a new season but not enough to know about the reasons why there is no S3.
>>139155618
>Dogakobo
>new
Nigga they've been around since the 70s.
>>139155507
>I'm certain literally any company out there would tell you the same in regards to their success.
I remember the thread >>139155343 is talking about, it was actually an animator that worked for kyoni during some times, and said that the budget of kyoani's shows are "normal" in contrary to what people are thinking, I think it was on twitter.
People keep throwing the word "flopped" around. But noone seems to ever bother to clarify what standards they used to judge whether something "flopped".
>>139155618
Dogakobo can have good licenses lately, but I don't think their work is something so special.
>>139155369
Not really, only Phantom seems like it's going to flop but the rest of their ahit has sold from decently to great
>>139155698
I mean like they're turning out great shows lately and are enjoying a good reputation. KyoAni was around since 1981 yet we didn't really care much about them until 2005-6.
>>139153366
>just give us Haruhi S3
They can't, it's not theirs, it's Kadokawa's.
And now that Tanigawa has abandoned fucking everything, Kadokawa's got no reason to keep supporting Haruhi.
>>139155707
I remember the thread too, but that doesn't change the fact that in a capitalist market economy certain rules apply.
>>139155707
It wasn't from an ex-KyoAni animator, Erkin Kawabata said that on Twitter. He's a veteran animator who worked with Hiroshi Ikehata.
>>139153158
Please, they own the ip's so they will break even.
Kyoani literally cannot lose money with any series they make.
>>139155676
How can you read your screen with all those cocks in the way?
>>139153158Crashing that building with no survivors.
>Already have the back up plan in Euphonium S2.
Kyoani are already one step ahead.
>>139155718
Some people thinks that because Kyoani's shows are pretty, the budget is pretty high but it's not really the case, I think that most studio would dream to be in kyoani's situation actually.Though I agree that they almost haven't done anything good since 4 years. But since Kyoani mostly do adaptations of works they own, it's not like they're poor, far from it.
>>139155067
On the flip side KyoAni productions take way less animators than usual. While other shows can have over a dozen key animators per episode(second keys notwithstanding), KyoAni shows tend to have around half a dozen animators per episode. So that's some money saved on labour.
>>139155264
Yeah, that's why they moved to a bigger studio recently.
>>139153158
>Free movie flopped
Hahahahahaha. Okay, enough lols for today.
530 million yen say hello.
>>139155851
My bad then, didn't remember very well.
KyoAni haters have been killing off KyoAni since endless eight. Just give it up retard it's never going to happen.
>>139155975
Free movie didn't flop but it did a lot worse than kyoani expected.
>>139155969
That's likely because they don't outsource but do most of it in-house, which isn't actually cheaper but likely more expensive since you need to pay these huscarl animators quite a bit more than the Korean home-office mercenaries on which other studios rely.
It's funny that their business model is, if you stop to think about it, completely insane.
Why did they imagine soliciting amateur LN authors was a good idea for the foundation of their new business venture? Why didn't they hire any professional writers to either come up with original anime or make novelizations of them? Why did they put so much faith into web novel tier hacks?
>>139156229
Probably because a guy in a suit told them it was the hot shit nowadays.
>>139156166
Contrary to what /a/ would lead you to believe, a lot of key animation is still done locally even if it's outsourced. It's the inbetweens that tend to go overseas, and even KyoAni does that though they always keep it to one reliable sub-contractor.
>>139155975
>lols
As expected of a cancerous fujoslut piece of shit defending garbage like Free. Kill yourself.
>>139156229
Because it's cheaper and they can choose to adapt things they know that will work befohand.
>>139156229
I guess they want to attract newlytalentedwriters, though it doesn't really work.
>>139155975
They treated it like another LL or Meguca with its 120 theaters and it only did 95 million yen in its opening weekend. That's pretty shit.
>>139155067
>If it looks better, it's more expensive
Aku no Hana
>>139156301
The point is: KyoAni clearly gets a significantly better result and people who think that didn't have something to do with higher expenses is delusional.
>>139153158
Picking up FMP would be a good start.
>>139156405
What are you trying to say? That Aku no Hana was good looking?
>>139156333
They should hire VEG's writer.
Also if Phantom World is anything to go by, they got 2 new writers.
>>139156229
Because printing books costs less than making anime and you can lure a fuckload of suckers, erm, "potentially talented writers" with the promise of the possibility of their works being animated by the very studio they worship, and if it was a success, they rake in almost all the money for BD/DVD sales while promoting the source material they also make bank off of due to being the owners of the IP.
It was a stupid plan. A stupid enough of a plan to work.
doubt they produced phantom world with the intent of high sales, seems otaku targeted after all. what's important is if is below expectations prior to production, don't know if there's any way to actually know that
>still no K-on S3
What the fuck, Kyoanus? Fucking hacks.
>>139156483
No, but that Aku no Hana was actually quire pricey to produce and animate despite being a visual abortion.
basically you can't compare it with something like one piece or the current big mobile game adaptation
>>139156229
First of all, they should just fucking follow the novel / manga instead of putting original characters everywhere and only doing "character episode".
This shit is killing kyoani right now.
>>139156229
They saw the trend of "put out a one-cour LN adaptation and if it's even semi-liked, that source LN's sales go into the hundreds of thousands", and wanted a piece of that. Since KyoAni's business isn't actually writing LNs, they need people who do. Since it's truly a dime-a-dozen market with countless garbage titles, they brought on board a fucking boatload of junk ones at once at sift through, trying to find the ones that could have a chance at being good and adapting them. Like was touched on here >>139154095 , because they're junk titles with no-name authors, they also can exercise creative control over the material (to try to make people want to buy the source more of course) and if the author is a nobody with no fanbase to revolt in the first place, no fans, no one can stop them from shitting on the source.
It's not stupid actually, just rather transparent and conniving, and reliant on people not calling them out as fucking greedy assholes for doing this instead of adapting actually good or popular works from known talents. They started out OK with Chuu2 back in '12 but I bet people working there are becoming disillusioned with this model too which makes the quality suffer, and the studio's internal politics/makeup is probably shifting as we type.
I really don't understand Studio hating after all these years. Why do you want anime studios to go bankrupt and have animators losing their jobs? Hell I've never even watched a Kyoani show but this is pathetic. I swear this is /a/'s version of "console wars".
>>139156417
Money is important, but it's not the sole determinant as to whether a show looks good or not. Mitsuo Iso's RahXephon episode was a visual and animation highlight in the series yet it took less animation budget than average to produce due to Iso taking on directing, storyboarding, and scriptwriting himself. Having less people on a production will save money.
>>139156596
For K-on or Haruhi, Nichijou, Hyouka, etc, I can understand since the problem is Kadokawa, not Kyoani.And especially Tanigawa in Haruhi case.
But this is what I don't understand, Kyoani clearly said years ago that they don't want to have anything to do with Kadoka anymore, still they're going to adapt KnK soon, what the hell.
>>139156719
just ordinary shitposting by people that want you to believe they know what they're talking about
>>139156719
>never watched a kyoani show
Get out of here.
"Flopped"? Unlikely, people who say that tend to forget that anime is merely adverts for the source.
Now granted their recent anime series were not nearly as popular as they used to be, that doesn't mean they were flops.
It still would be better if they could get some better LNs to animate though. I don't know why people want KyoAni to fail, don't they know Kadokawa's monopoly ruins a lot of stuff?
>>139156788
>Kyoani clearly said years ago that they don't want to have anything to do with Kadoka anymore
They never said that at all.
>>139156639
That's because it was a rotoscoped live-action. So it had the production cost of a live-action series coupled with the cost of rotoscoping and adding hand-drawn frames.
>>139156639
That does not relate to the given statement though.
>If it looks better, it's more expensive
That is an implication - not an equivalence, which means that the reverse holds not true. "more expensive" does NOT imply "looks better".
>>139156838
Well, they never said it clearly but it was painfully obvious since the disaster of E8.
>>139156788
KnK is Kodansha.
>>139156881
>assumptions
Okay.
>>139155936
when will they reveal that asuka is actually worst girl?
>>139156719
>I've never even watched a Kyoani show
>console wars
Back to /v/ with you.
>>139156731
>Money is important, but it's not the sole determinant
It's not, but in order to consistently achieve high quality "trying hard" isn't going to do it. You need the money in order to afford the people who can and will try hard for you consistently. There's no way around.
>What's the next step of their master plan?
Keep producing their 'flops' because since they control the IP, they get their revenue back in spades in merchandising and LN sales.
Light Novel publishers pay anime studios to make anime of their LNs which is a fact a lot of people seem to not quite understand. Every season, think about how many shit LN adaptations flop. Imagine how much money these publishers must have in order to be able to keep funding these failures, and now you can understand how profitable KyoAni is despite bad anime sales, and why they keep pushing their own shit out.
You can sit in your own little world where you think you are more business savvy than people who have been in the industry longer than you've been alive, or you can realize that KyoAni is blazing a new trail hopefully other studios follow where they generate their own content instead of fighting over the overhyped LN dripfeed.
>>139156981
Sure, but a few good people will cost less than having a small army of average ones.
>>139153158
>>139155067
>If it looks better, it's more expensive
No, you're retarded.
Yes, Amagi didn't flop
No, you can't compare sales from K-On with Amagi
Kill yourself.
>>139156981
Honestly, a good production schedule seems to matter a fuckload more than talent and big fat sacks of cash. A building full of prodigies and all the money in the world don't mean jack shit when you have two days to animate 20 minutes of material.
>sales sales sales
We can shit on /v/ as much as we want but we're not different from them
>>139157146
It always does. Schedule, very much like logistics, is the most important thing.
For all the retards saying KyoAni anime cost more than other studios' anime and therefore they must sell more to not have the anime be "flops":
https://twitter.com/erkin_kawabata/status/589384655796731904
>KyoAni shows aren't very high-budget and in fact below average
>>139153158
>>Free movie flopped
Still cant believe this is happening, the fujos getting tired of swimmer's cocks or what?
>>139157126
There he is. There he goes again.
Look everyone he posted it once again. Isn't he just the funniest guy around. Oh my god.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room giggling like a little girl as you once again type your little keit-ai thread up and fill in the captcha.
Or maybe you don’t even fill in the captcha, maybe you’re such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass so you just choose the picture.
Oh we all know the picture, the uh epic flip phone isn’t it? I imagine you, little shit, laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos onto the floor.
But its ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh that’s right, did I fail to mention? You live with your mother! You’re a fat fucking fuck up and she’s probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all god damn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a shitty fanfic.
Just imagine this, she had you and then she thought you were going to be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand and then you became a NEET. A pathetic keit-ai fag NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can’t even talk try to you because all you say is “FINDS A WAY FINDS A WAY FINDS A WAY.”
You became a parody of your own self. And that’s all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he’s done a million times now.
And that's all you'll ever be.
>>139157330
To be fair, Kawabata was going on hearsay so people can argue it's not concrete information.
Do we know their production costs? Because any discussion about revenue without them is moot.
>>139153158
I hope something similar to Amagi or Phantom.
I want my ecchi.
>>139157391
Fujos don't want to see irrelevant limp-wristed shotas.
>>139157438
>amagi
>phantom
>ecchi
>>139157330
Because Kyoani and all its staff live outside Tokyo.
>>139157434
Nope. Anime production costs are rarely revealed.
>>139154095
Is creative control really a factor? All they really do is add pointless fan service side characters because their execs believe it's safer to market waifus than the stories.
Adapting stories with no established fan base is effectively the same as making original anime, as far as creative freedom without pissing fans off goes. It's not like pro scriptwriters can't be reasoned with, considering they have to beg studios to bid on their screenplays.
>>139157126Threadly reminder that you should stop posting that because it's a thing.https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/
>>139157476
Reminder that Utsumi knew that nobody would like shotashit.
>>139157391
KyoAni kinda went full retard with that one. It's deserved.
>>139157124
>>139157146
Things will equal out at some point. I can't imagine KyoAni to be doing so much better in terms of visual quality than others without spending more. If we were talking about a case of individual genius, a singular mangaka who's more talented than others - perhaps - but animation is a large business, lots of people are involved. When that's the case, singular geniuses alone don't get you that far and the chance for KyoAni to be a studio composed of mostly geniuses by mere chance who decided to work together for average pay is something that should be dismissed by occam's razor alone. Geniuses are rare and if you want them to work for you you need to recruit them, and you usually do so by making them a good offer.
>>139157425
It actually makes sense that their budgets would be slightly below average because their staffs are usually quite small. KyoAni seem to be masters at getting the most out of small, well-organized staffs.
>>139157499
There is nude scene in bath with sento
>>139157126
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/keit-ai-finds-a-way/
Let your meme go the way of the Ghost Slide.
>>139157391
Most of the main characters from the TV series barely appeared in the movie, with two exceptions. I guess fans who loved those characters didn't feel that compelled to watch it on the theater.
>>139156973
The day they Kyoani goes bust.
>>139157391
Look what they did with the OVA they're just milking it past S2.
>>139157126
>>139157133
>>139157330
>KyoAni pays an inhouse staff a monthly salary instead of per frame to encourage quality over quantity
>KyoAni will complete entire seasons before the first episode comes out to assure quality
>KyoAni trains their animators in their own animation school
>KyoAni shows are lower budget
The only thing dumber than claiming KyoAni's going to run out of money is saying that their shows are lower budget.
>>139156881
>disaster of E8.
Haruhi S2 sold very well, even with E8. Plus they easily redeemed that with the Disappearance.
>>139155465
Drop dead you fucking shit-taste edgelord.
>>139156881
>Well, they never said it clearly but it was painfully obvious since E8 that the heads of KyoAni and Kadokawa had a great laugh about the whole thing and continue to have good relations.
See I can make assumptions too, just as retarded as your ones.
Chuuni was alright, Hyouka was fine, and K was OK for the first few episodes. Everything else KyoAni makes is garbage. Euph was trash, Phantom was trash, that plot hole ridden shit where the MC is basically Naruto was trash. This studio has consistently produced garbage but they've been considered the best because either you pedos or neckbeards who are just looking to escape from your shitty lives or jack off to cartoons flock to their garbage. Why isn't anime better? Because there are faggots like you who eat this shit up and continue to be pandered to. Fucking kill yourselves.
>>139157724
Only the first Haruhi needed to be redeemed for being such generic garbage.
>>139157724
It still blows my mind that endless eight, one of the biggest wastes of time ever produced, is one of their highest sellers.
>>139157596
Not all KyoAni staff are equal. Some are good, some are just okay. You can see that varying quality in the KyoAni alumni. For instance, there's the likes of Noriko Takao and Yuusuke Matsuo who are a good director and animator respectively, followed by Kazuya Sakamoto who is kinda average, then there's Yamakan who's a complete hack.
![[Coalgirls]_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_-_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_I_(1280x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[4474F128].mkv - 00.14.56.229.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/10htu1p.jpg "[Coalgirls]_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_-_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_I_(1280x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[4474F128].mkv - 00.14.56.229.jpg")
>>139157808
>generic garbage
I'm sorry you didn't have as much fun as I did watching the show.
Prove to you KyoAni literally sucks? Are you serious?
>>139157856
Pleb who can't appreciate ballsy decisions and ambitious works detected.
>>139157856
>one of the biggest wastes of time
Well, it was only because they needed to time the Disappearance properly. It was either E8 or KyoAni original episodes.
>>139157856
Haruhifags were a special kind of autists
>>139157858
To be fair, if you get rid of Disappearance and the E8, you'd be left with a boring and generic show. The movie and the controversy retroactively made the show good.
>>139153158
Haruhi S3.;_;
>>139157724
That's not the problem there, Kyoani was supposed to adapt disappearance in S2, but then Kadokawa said they want a movie in the middle of the production and Kyoani got fucked, that's why E8 is still a taboo subject for Kyoani.
>>139157947
>special kind of autists
So a majority of this board when it aired? Yeah that makes a lot of sense, actually.
>>139157718
>KyoAni pays an inhouse staff a monthly salary instead of per frame to encourage quality over quantity
Most studios pay animators per cut, only inbetweeners get paid per sheet of drawing.
>KyoAni will complete entire seasons before the first episode comes out to assure quality
They do a lot of work in advance, but I don't know how true is that.
>KyoAni trains their animators in their own animation school
They make money from the animation school, it's not a free service.
>>139157126
Soon.
>>139153348
Lost the rights
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>>139157974
>boring and generic show
I dunno, a god, aliens, and time travel is very interesting to me.
>>139157596
How strange considering the fact that they make profits every year.
>>139157126
OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NShEKYoPXw
ED 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIX9aoN7g4o
ED 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZHiGLt7g8E
PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
Keit愛: 君の名は。: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBrZ3d2sJE
>>139157126
Shinkai is such a hack.
>>139157857
The point remains that they cost money. A PhD from a renowned Japanese university like Yamakan is going to cost money too - hack or not.
>>139158127
How is that strange? The question is whether they making profit on a larger overall budget than other studios.
>>139158240
I don't know what you want?
They make profit every year, they continue doing what they've been doing since the beginning of their in-house LN adaptations project. There is no indication that what KyoAni is doing isn't working. No, they don't achieve numbers like Sunrise, Toei and IG although IG actually didn't make a profit last year.
>>139157126
SHINK-AI FINDS A WAY
>>139158719
>There is no indication that what KyoAni is doing isn't working.
Who ever said it's not working?
All I'm saying is that their business model isn't based on "trying really hard". It's based on gathering talent, and that talent needs to be paid sufficiently.
>>139158814
So what's the end goal of this discussion/argument? Yes obviously you have to pay your workers something otherwise they leave.
>>139153158
If KyoAni keeps producing flops, they'll have no choice but come crawling back to Kadokawa's arms. That way, they'll have to make the Elementario SoL spinoff.
>>139158920
Amagi is kadokawa
>>139158920
I want to go back to this.
>>139158920
They haven't been producing flops though.
>>139153329
>director is ex-KyoAni
He was never KyoAni's inhouse member.
He works at a studio KyoAni outsources some of their backgrounds to.
>>139158872
The end goal is that you agree with me that it's not just KyoAni trying hard but KyoAni paying well in order to gather talented individuals to make their shows, which is likely to result in higher expenses per show, since otherwise everyone would be doing it.
>>139158920
>keeps producing flops
What flops?
>>139157126
Ｋｅｉｔ爱
Ｆｉｎｄｓ ａ ｗａｙ．
>>139159052
What? Kawabata was an animator associated with the ahoboy brigade. He's freelance.
>>139157126
Am I the only one who's bothered by it being written as
"Keit", which is completely atypical of Japanese word-plays since they don't have a syllable to represent 't' if they wanted to write it in katakana? That alone should tell everyone that a foreigner came up with this.
>>139159208
>3-Gatsu no Lion's art director
>Kawabata
Go being a fucking retarded sakuga shitter elsewhere.
>>139159239
It's actually Keito-Ai.
毛糸-愛
Keito means yarn and ai means love.It becomes a pun on love and the red string of fate.
>>139159306
wew, no need to be upset here. My bad for wrongly reading the reply chain.
>>139154322
>I can't think of a full-on hard-in-the-paint yuri show that has ever made any notable amount of cashflow.
Maria+Holic (season 1) did fairly good, though it wasn't really yuri, the MC was a rug muncher, but there wasn't really any yuri outside of her delusions; season 2 sorta tanked though.
Kyoani has never made a bad show
>Kyoani "dying" for last 5 years
>they still have better animation than all of them
>>139159531
Forced animation is not real animation.
>>139159102
I never had this discussion with you but I don't agree because no one comes out and talks about wages. Logic would at least say yes since people seem to stay at KyoAni and want to work there.
Other studios said they'd like to be like KyoAni.
Wage isn't everything though, I'm sure they do get a decent one but the general working environment must be good as well.
I think it's ignorant to say that just because they're producing high quality shows in terms of technical/visual quality, they also pay a lot more. Huge amounts of money doesn't actually equal a superior product in terms of visuals and if you look at their financial reports you'll see that they might make a profit but it's not a huge one when compared with other studios. That and the fact that most of their shows come in around 5-8k tells me that their financial input is probably not that much higher than other studios. I don't think they produce cheaper shows, it's probably different for every show.
>>139159592
>Forced animation
Took long enough for this meme to pop in this discussion
They're doing all this shitty shows which don't take much effort to make so they can save up money to make up for the the money they'll lose in time and production cost for FMP.
>>139159592
Yeah I would say GodAni animation is unreal
>>139159316
Naruhodo.
>le kyoani treats well their employees meme
Wasn't Velvet Evergarden supposed to be really good or something?
>>139159751
Find a link to reviews on Amazon JP and we might be able to tell.
>>139155465
Amagi at least has great girls.
>>139159732
This. No one in the industry has a good life, it's just varying degrees of shit.
>>139159751
It's going to make anime great again.
If KyoAni is so good then why can't they show Koe no Katachi PV at Anime Japan?
>>139159239
It's no better than To Love-Ru, to be honest.
>>139159751
The scenery porn from Violet Evergarden is going to be top notch.
>>139159855
They are still busy casting Shoko's VA
>>139159619
>Huge amounts of money doesn't actually equal a superior product in terms of visuals
That's not what I said. I said that money is a pre-requisite for a consistently high visual quality.
>if you look at their financial reports you'll see that they might make a profit but it's not a huge one when compared with other studios
Which might as well have something to do with higher expenses.
>That and the fact that most of their shows come in around 5-8k tells me that their financial input is probably not that much higher than other studios.
KyoAni consistently sells more than most others and they've had huge successes in the past, which is why people regard shows in this thread flops which would be at least moderate successes had they been made by other studios.
>>139158067
what?
>>139159888
Yes, it is, because the pun in To-Love-Ru is that if written as katakana it reads as "Trouble" (Toraburu). "Keit" on the other hand is something you simply can't write in Japanese because even though there are plenty of ways to write "Kei" there is not a single way to write 't', which is why it would be highly unusual for a Japanese person to make this sort of word-play.
>>139159239
That's why it's written with latin characters.
>>139160058
>I said that money is a pre-requisite for a consistently high visual quality.
You need money to get things done, but a motivated staff on an okay budget can do great things. One Punch Man's animation director said the show didn't have a huge budget but the show has great animation due to the skill and dedication of its key animators.
>>139160144
>"Keit" on the other hand is something you simply can't write in Japanese
It's written as Ｋｅｉｔ爱 though.
>>139160215
Which is why I said "consistently". Your staff isn't going to be consistently motivated if they're not paid according to their skill.
And I wouldn't rely too much on such twitter talk. Obviously they're intent to present themselves in a good light, and nobody would say "yeah, well, we're paid really well so that's why we deliver good work" rather than claiming to be extraordinarily motivated, passionate, etc.
How about going back to their roots and making slice of life again? Where the fuck is Haruhi S3? Or K-ON College?
>>139160144
To Love-Ru makes no sense in English.
>>139153158
KnK S2 if they know what's good for them
>>139160058
>KyoAni consistently sells more than most others and they've had huge successes in the past, which is why people regard shows in this thread flops which would be at least moderate successes had they been made by other studios.
The problem is that you can't compare old with new KyoAni. They're different, one animated for Kadokawa, the other one essentially doesn'Ät adapt anything other than their own works. There is a huge difference here. They used to sell more, now it's either slightly above average or average.
>>139160355
You're getting like three movies.
>>139160159
>>139160267
It's written in Latin characters but the vast majority of Japanese is going to transliterate that as "keito-ai" in his head rather than "keit-ai". The pun simply doesn't work in their language because the plosive t-sound doesn't exist in their language as a syllable ending, which for a product aimed at the Japanese market would be highly unusual.
>>139160307
The point is that it makes sense in Japanese. It's a product for the Japanese market, not for the western market. Refer to >>139160445.
>>139160445
It's a joke meme aimed for westerners on /a/, not a product aimed at the Japanese. You're being really autistic.
>>139160300
>Your staff isn't going to be consistently motivated if they're not paid according to their skill.
Sure, but they're animators not fund managers. Even the good ones don't get paid a shitload more. As long as it's an amount that they feel is good enough by industry standards then that will suffice in retaining talent.
>>139160494
>The point is that it makes sense in Japanese
And the point of Keit-Ai is it makes sense in English.
