Fuckin' bullshit.
>DEDICATION BEATS TALENT!
No it doesn't. Not in the real world.
>>139118345
>Not in the real world.
The best people in their sports are talented AND dedicated. Anyone can have one of these traits, not everyone can have the other.
>>139118345
But Peco was talented, dedicated AND he loved the sport.
>>139118471
Smile was more talented
>>139118345
It all boils down to how autistic you can be in memorizing everything about whatever game you're playing.
>>139118345
How can you make such broad generalizations like that
>this shit again
Peco was talented you faggot. Once he became dedicated, his talent put him over the top. Smile was also talented but he had nowhere near the dedication Peco did.
>>139118345
That's the thing about dedication vs. talent anon.
You're thinking "anyone with talent will just cruise through the competition and win effortlessly." But that's not the case. If you're dedicated enough, you have a chance. And a chance is all you need.
>>139118491
Smile only seemed to be because Peco was never at his 100%. Smile knew his true potentional was above his own though, Peco just needed the right motivation to finally be serious about his love for ping pong.
>>139118491
Based on what? He was only ever compared to Peco while he was lacking dedication.
>>139118345
But it's true. If you really had dedication towards something you would be successful. Most people have many talents, but no motivation.
>>139118345
Don't worry anon, 'The nail that sticks out shall be hammered down', japanese proverb.
>>139118915
>If you really had dedication towards something you would be successful.
Not true at all.
You need talent and dedication.
It doesn't matter if you're the most devoted guy around, if you suck you suck.
>http://desustorage.org/a/thread/138993424/#138993424
What are you wishing to accomplish?
I got that Smile was more talented but didn't have that drive and dedication to achieve Olympic status. Instead he decided to help out Peco because he knew Peco had the talent and drive to become amazing.
Still don't know how Smile just fades into obscurity ping pong wise. Is that really how it works in real life though? Lose one game and everybody just forgets about the fact Smile was still pretty damn good. Hell Dragon lost and he was still on the Olympic team for a bit.
>>139118984
Not the same person.
>>139119014
Yes you are
>>139118998
>Still don't know how Smile just fades into obscurity ping pong wise.
He's content with mediocrity.
>>139118345
>Dedication doesn't beat talent
Anyone that thinks this is the definition of a failure. In the words of a great man, "Talent is nothing but curiosity pursued." No one comes out the womb playing amazing Ping Pong or drawing a masterpiece, it takes years of practice
But live in that fantasy world of yours where everyone that ever excels in a field is simply born with it. Use that as your crutch because in the end you were never going to amount to anything anyway.
>>139119045
I'm literally not, but okay.
Did you even watch the show.
Sakuma is embodiment of the idea that with enough dedication, you can get to the upper level of a sport, but you still need raw talent to be the best.
>>139118998
Smile doesn't really care about ping pong like Peco does.
>>139119085
tell that to the guy with glasses who busted his ass but couldn't ever beat peco because he had astigmatism peco was more talented
he was more dedicated than both of them but lacked the inherent skill
>>139119103
i still don't believe you
>tfw I'll graduate from med school when I'm 29
>my classmates will graduate when they're 25
Feeling like a talentless old fuck, I can say with certainty that there is always someone more talented (better genes) than you. For instance, I feel extremely jealous of my classmates because they're young as shit and some of them only need to read the topics like twice or thrice to retain 100% of the information, while fuckwads like me need to read it 5 times to retain like 60% of the information. Besides the talent, they also have plenty of years ahead of me to learn about more stuff and experience new things. I instead must struggle every fucking day trying to contain these distracting thoughts and feeling of inferiority whenever I study. It's so fucking hard /a/. I want to become a doctor and help people with fucked up backgrounds (depression, social anxiety, etc) like some people populating this site because I understand those feelings better than my classmates (since I was a NEET for 4 years before deciding to do something about it). But it's so hard to be "dedicated" about it when some people with "talent" seem far more suitable for the task. What do /a/?
>>139119085
>EVERYONE IS THE SAME AND NO ONE IS INHERENTLY BETTER AT ANYTHING
Okay. Keep living in your fantasy world.
>>139119103
now your trying too hard.
>>139119085
>everyone has the same potential to achieve something!
I guess this is your typical liberal logic.
>>139119140
First mistake, assuming Tibetian cave paintings are realistic.
Second mistake, expecting a bald guy with glasses to every amount to anything in life.
>>139119191
>In med school
>Believing genes dictate talent
My advice to you is drop out, you're clearly not learning anything.
>>139119268
>liberal logic
Nah man, that's conservative logic.
"Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" and all that.
>>139119191
You keep fucking going because being any kind of doctor that isn't a surgeon doesn't require any real "talent" to be fucking good at. Ohhh nooo I have to talk to schizos, give them a small confidence boost and then throw pills at them, so hard.
>>139119268
FUCK OFF YOU COULD BE LEBRON JAMES BUT YOU'RE JUST LAZY HERPA DERPA DERPA
>>139118998
There's a reasonable time skip, I would assume Smile just didn't particularly want to get to such a high level and was happy teaching instead.
>>139119241
>>139119268
Talent is the different between first and last place at the Olympics, this will never apply to you and I, also >>139119288.
The "abloo bloo muh talent" is same mentality people who ask for handouts "because people be raciss n shiet".
>>139118960
I take it you have never been good at anything, if being like this makes you happy then ok.
>>139119412
This. People who have never applied themselves literally can't comprehend what hard work and dedication is like.
>>139119412
>I take it you have never been good at anything
Correct, I have no talent for anything.
>>139118998
>I got that Smile was more talented
He wasn't.
>>139119468
>People like this actually exist.
>>139119241
Maybe it's more that some people may have that natural ability, but if they don't hone it, it's worthless in the end. I mean, it would be great if you could just cruise by on whatever the talent brings you, but there's a certain point where you hit a wall that even talent can't climb over alone.
>>139119191
if you find it hard to be dedicated because some chad who only studies an hour a week and still makes better grades than then what the fuck are you doing. I went through that phase in high school, and I came out with this.
Fuck it, you may never have the talent to be a this or that but who cares. Find what you do best or enjoy and pursue it because at the end of the day your life doesn't matter too much, so make it worth living.
>>139119527
Why should I bother investing serious time into something when I'll always be below average compared to people with a natural talent who are able to produce better results with less work?
At that point I'm just wasting my time and I'm wasting others' time.
BOTH talent and effort are important in life, and people that put effort can beat people with talent that dont put effort.
Effort and talent>Effort and no talent>No effor and talent>No effort and no talent
Will effort let you be the best on anything? No, will it put you among the best? Definitely.
Mr. Olympia and WSM are the greatest examples of how talent and luck (genetics, family/social support, money etc) always beat hard work and dedication.
Hell, any sport of e-sport proves that.
>>139118345
>DEDICATION BEATS TALENT!
I thought Smile went easy to not permanently fuck up Peco's knee just like Butterfly Joe did in his youth. The random English words he throws around after the timeskip make it clear he's taken after him.
>>139119085
Good post but op and friends are clearly autistic failures who will never make it or understand
>>139119085
>>139119653
>y-you mean i can reawy pway in da NBA if i put in da effort, anon?
>>139119633
NOOOOO
ANYONE CAN DO ANYTHIIIIIING
DON'T SHATTER MY UPPER-MIDDLE CLASS WHITE SUBURBAN JUST WORLD FANTASYYYYYYYYYYY
>>139119576
Then why not just kill yourself.
Why do anything at all, there's going to be someone out there that does it better anyway.
>>139119576
There's someone always better than you, that's a fact of life. Does that stop everyone else from trying? Of course not
The thing we are trying to get across to you autists is "are you the best you, you could be?" not worrying about others or how you compare to them.
>>139119576
You should kill yourself.
>>139119539
There was a well documented study that directly correlating the amount of hours practicing violin compared to their skill level, it's where the 10,000 hours to be good at something comes from. Talent is what separates the best from the professionals, but time is what separates the professionals from all the rest.
>>139119576
>Why should I bother?
I'm not here to convince you to do anything with your life. I'm just here because people on the internet are wrong.
>>139119759
>There's someone always better than you, that's a fact of life.
Not for the guy in the #1 spot.
>>139119774
>that directly correlating
Guess I'm not good talented at writing.
>>139119808
Someone will eventually overcome them. They had to work their way up they weren't always #1
>>139119808
The only people that are number one are the ones that are doing something no one else is doing.
>>139119774
That figure doesn't take into account the fact that the brain's plasticity declines starting at age 20-25.
>>139118345
>No it doesn't. Not in the real world.
Find me a single highly successful person in any sport, hobby, field, job, etc. that hasn't spent thousands of hours and years of their life constantly practising and honing their abilities.
>>139118345
>Not in the real world.
Good thing that's an anime and not the real world.
>>139119945
Which is why people who started as a child would always have the edge.
The most dedicated ping pong player in the world would never beat Smile or Peco if he only started playing at age 19.
>>139119191
Just do whatever you want, mate. I know you can't help but comparing yourself with others but it's normal, everyone does and it's a part of human nature. Just take it with a grain of salt and don't let it bother you too much, in the end the only thing that matters what you want to do with your life.
>>139119945
That doesn't matter if everyone in the study starts at the same age.
Peco had talent, though,
In this case, dedication + talent beats talent.
>>139120017
That's a dumb moral.
>>139119962
This guy surpassed most musicians/composers in terms of skill by the time he even became a teenager.
>>139119549
>>139119990
Th-Thanks mates. Actually that's what my psychiatrist constantly tells me but I always end up fucking it up. It's such a hard vicious circle to break. Nature is so goddamn unfair.
>>139119774
It's bidirectional as well, though. Not negating that those who put more hours are going to be better, but being better is going to also lead to wanting/needing practicing more as well.
>>139120061
>E-EXCEPTION!!!!!
>>139118345
No no anon.
It is
>10% luck
>20% skill
>15% concentrated power of will
>5% pleasure
>50% pain
>>139120097
>and 100% reason to remember the name.
>>139119650
>Smile went easy to not permanently fuck up Peco's knee
>just like Butterfly Joe did
Not sure how anyone could miss this. They foreshadowed it pretty hard with Jou even asking "What would YOU do in that situation?" Smile's not going to wreck the hero. He's the robot who the hero is meant to defeat. He knows his place in the narrative.
>what is Literature 101
>peco and smile
>not talented
what.
talent and hardwork will always beat no talent and just hardwork which is what happened.
>>139119945
It doesn't matter how plastic your brain is if there is 11000 hours separating you from the professionals. You'd have to log the 11000 hours just to catch up to where they are when you started.
This is the 'talent' people perceive. If you practice something from the ages of 5 to 15, it'll take someone 25 until they're 35 to be as good as you were when you weren't even in HS yet, and this is why people think talent exists.
>>139120061
Both his parents and family were musicians, he spent his entire life since birth learning music. There's also a lot of debate over whether or not his father composed his earlier works. Do a bit of background research before quoting Popsicle stick facts.
>>139120084
See >>139119085
"Talent is nothing but curiosity pursued."
>>139120073
Seems like you just need a reminder, have an image/sign on your phone or anything that you often look at, like some sort of mental cue, to tell yourself to take it easy when you have such thoughts.
>>139120215
>This is the 'talent' people perceive. If you practice something from the ages of 5 to 15, it'll take someone 25 until they're 35 to be as good as you were when you weren't even in HS yet, and this is why people think talent exists.
Except when you just compare professionals, in the field of music say, where almost everyone started at an extremely early age the argument becomes moot. There is no denying that something other than practice separates the almost impossibly wide gap between Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven with their lesser peers like Dittersdorf, Vanhal, Boccherini, Pleyel or Hummel.
