How can a tank defeat a mech? Mechs are much more maneuverable and have a much greater arsenal of attacks.
MECH IN ACTION
TANK BTFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZZ6cWgVV8A
>>139069241
What animu or mango are you talking about?
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>>139069241
Depends on range of weaponry and targeting systems.
Modern tanks have a range of like 4-8km depending on the ammunition used.
If mechs don't have a based targeting system and weapons with longer range then they're fucked.
>>139069241
The Abrams M1A2's M256A1 120 mm smoothbore gun fires APFSDS rounds at Mach 4.6 (3523.175 mph / 1,575 m/sec). The gun's maximum effective range is 3500 meters. That means, at maximum distance, your giant mech has 2.22_ seconds to react to a visual-only attack (the sound wave won't hit until about 10 seconds later).
>>139069241
Mechs are inherently flawed because they have legs.
Some things just don't scale up. An ant the size of a human collapse. A human the size of a mech wouldn't be able to stand without fracturing his legs.
A mech is trying to make a giant metal person, and that's just a flawed concept.
Besides, wheels are faster and a turret helps make up for lost maneuverability.
>>139069241
The same way a Sherman defeats German tanks. You field more tanks.
>>139069241
We've been over this already.
/k/onfirmed that mechs are unfeasible toys IRL and simply have no chance against a machine built purely for war
The only way mechs could have a chance is to discover some sort of super-strong and ultra-light wonder-metal e.g. gundanium
>>139069241
shoot legs, shoot cockpit
gg no re
>>139069724
What about wheels on a mech?
>>139069724
>>139069763
Yes, the only way a mech becomes a better heavy armor ground vehicle than a tank is if super-strong materials become super-light AND super-bulky, requiring a lot of physical space to install. If the mech can mount enough armor to defeat tank rounds without becoming excessively heavy, then the mech becomes a viable armored vehicle.
To a certain extent, BattleTech has addressed this problem, fielding mechs that are lighter than contemporary tanks but mount more armor and weapons.
>>139069763
>>139070023
Mechs have minovsky particles.
>>139069881
Then it's a tank, or armored vehicle.
Seriously, definition of a mech is humanoid or biological (like an animal) in appearance. Otherwise it's just a war vehicle.
>>139069724
>An ant the size of a human collapse.
What if it got even bigger?
Do Tankfags even know what a Scopedog is?
![[Muffled Brrrt in the distance].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Plzv1dJ.jpg "[Muffled Brrrt in the distance].jpg")
>literally the same thread the last time it was made
As usual
Planes > Everything
>>139070530
SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU DUE TO HAVING THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS OF HIGH GROUND ABOVE YOU.
AND VACUUM REALLY DOESN'T CONDUCT SOUND WELL.
>>139069241
Tank can't defeat a mech becausemechs don't exist.
>>139070766
but they do exist. they're either tourist attractions or work in forestry.
>>139069241
>How can a tank defeat a mech?
You apply much more unobtainumu armor and hyper-advanced-technobabble to tank tech than mech tech.
Then tank > mech.
>>139070806
tank is too small to fit all the tech. some things just have a minimum viable size, like fusion reactors.
>>139070831
>tank is too small to fit all the tech
Well the solution is obvious then, isn't it?
>>139070530
>Planes
Ok kid
>>139070530
>>139070023
Which begs the question why people don't just make the tanks out of those super-strong and light materials, because you don't have to worry about gyros, myomers, etc and you're automatically stabilized for big guns.
>>139070524
Scopedogs aren't tanks, though. They're more like IFVs or power armor.
>>139069763
One argument for a mech is when you use direct neural interfaces to control a mech and a humanoid form is much more agile and easy to use than say, a steering wheel.
It's not a very good argument because being able to dance a waltz in an 80 ton machine won't exactly save you from being shot by a railgun.
>>139070023
Battletech mechs are nonsense in many ways.
First of all the reason tanks cant use all the same weaponry and armor is arbitrary there. Second, while Mechas are far superior to tanks in BT - they are vulnerable to infantery and absolutely destroyed by fighter planes (which for whatever reason are rarer than mechs..)
>>139070530
So, Macross Valkyries/Sukhoi`s are the best?
>>139071004
Because those materials as of now have to be strung together a few molecules at a time. They cannot be mass produced and that makes them insanely expensive. You'd need years to make a single plate of armor for one part of one tank, even if you could afford it.
>>139071224
Yeah, no. We are talking about normal mecha here, not Super Robots. Mecha`s are mass produced and armor plates are litterally just equiped/hung on skeleton
>>139071057
Lots of mecha can also fly and do cruise through urban landscapes, ducking behind buildings and all that crap. so it's not exactly regular human motion they're doing. Although I guess people could quickly get used to flight.
>>139069714
2.2 seconds is an eternity for modern countermeasures. This tech is already more than 5 years old.
https://youtu.be/CnAmPEjsOGw
>>139071336
that's just asking to get nuked or having demolition charges dropped on its legs
>all this shit about mechs being viable if they come up with some kind of strong, light material
Put that shit on a tabk and it will come out on top anyway. Mechs are really just a fictional concept for the cool factor that has no place in reality. I do wish we'd get more differing designs instead of the same boring gundam like shit though.
>>139070304
EDF! EDF! EDF!
>>139071288
I'm talking about material that exists, dipshit.
>>139071336
learning to pilot a mech properly would require a lot of training just to learn how to maneuver without falling over like a moron
a total moron can learn to operate a tank in a week
every mech pilot you lose is a huge loss of investment whereas tankers are a dime a dozen
>>139071363
Haven't you watched it? Nukes barely scratch it because anime magic technology.
>>139071382
>>139071417
drop magic nukes
>>139071417
>doesn't understand how it works so it's magic
>>139071336
>>139071449
how does the pilot of such a thing communicate with the outside world? a radio?
if so, why not just beam concentrated radio waves towards the cockpit and boil the pilot alive from the inside?
>>139071449
that shit can't be serious. it's like /tg/ and /m/ got together to minmax some vehicle.
>>139071449
>Warkipedia
>>139071485
In the cockpit there are only more guns.
>>139069241
Please stop. We had the EXACT SAME thread last time. This is not anime-related and the best that we could read in here are the words of some gun geek who wanted to impress a bunch of weebs by teaching common sense
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>>139071478
Nigger, it does not take an expert to know that that something that big are not uonly impractical, but downright useless. There is a reason why heavy tanks were discarded in favor of better MBTs and Light Tanks
A Scopedog could easily beat any tank.
This is why /m/ and /k/ is the most autistic hobby
>>139071521
Yeah and what, they're gonna shoot the radio waves?
>>139069241
Tanks are real and mechs aren't.
Tanks won.
>>139071564
Mud.
>>139071672
Yes, in the dick.
>>139069241
>How can a tank defeat a mech
Physics.
>But muh supermaterials and weapons
Strap them on tank, problem solved
>But tanks cannot use them because bullshit
Shoot whoever wrote that shit into the face.
>>139071564
Main Battle Tanks took over the roles of Heavy and Medium tanks because technology and materials developed to the point where it was possible to mount the armor and weapons of a heavy tank on a chassis capable of achieving medium tank speeds.
>>139069335
Pilots be dead from gforce
>>139071803
Precisely my point, man.
Why invest on slow moving giants when you can have fast moving light ones that carry the exact same firepower. And don't get me started on the advantage of flanking
Mechs are cool. I don't think tanks would work in space either.
>>139069241
Put Kira Yamato in the tank.
>>139071971
The one and only reason to deploy mechs into space is so that you can maybe board the enemy ship and do shit on it.
Otherwise the sphere of doom would be more effective.
>>139071777
What about bioweapons? How do you make the Evas into a tank?
>>139072005
spheres are terrible for the purpose of heat dissipation. you want cylinders with radiators attached along the long axis
>>139071971
I really like POV sakugas.
You feel the what it's like on that part.Specially in KLK when Satsuki is getting beaten by her mother.
>mechs and tanks
You guys are thinking small scale, what about mobile fortresses?
>>139072138
>>139071971
Ah roboboner we meet again!
I keep pointing out that mechs would actually make a good anti-personnel platform. It would be like a moving guard tower, giving good field of fire against targets on the ground and a better position against targets on top of buildings. It would be a horrible anti-armor platform, and its height would make it more vulnerable to RPGs.
>>139070530
magical girls > planes
>>139072138
Fortresses are for defense. You want interstellar cocks if you want to win
>>139072033
Just paint it green and purple.
>>139071580
Yeah, no.
>>139072168
Babby's first Motherwill.
>>139072243
it's that guy, isn't it?
>>139069241
>How can a tank defeat a mech?
Aim for the knees. Maximum spoils of war salvage that way.
>>139069241
Have you watched the latest episode of Schwarzesmarken? That's how a tank can defeat a mech.
But if it's head-on battle, then tanks are no match.
Why not mechtanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWkgFdUcayY
>>139071351
RPG=/=APFSDS round
>>139072345
those things fracture. when they do they loose a lot of their ooph
>>139072303
Yes.
>>139069241
Realistically?
If your tanks get in a situation where they are BTFOd by mechs, you fucked up badly.
Same with mechs, if they get in a situation where they have to fight tanks head on, the battle is lost.
I cant take any mech show seriously, because all of them have antiqued weapons and targeting systems.
Litterally - the weapon damage is subpar even compared to modern, and targeting is mostly manual and inaccurate as fuck (not to mention projectiles can actually be avoided). Thats the most unrealistic part - seeing futuristic Gundam where pilot has to target enemy manually, fight in almost melee range and cant hit for shit.
>>139072501
This is and will always be autism.
>>139072501
At least in Gundam, isn't that explained by heavy jamming with Minovsky bullshitium particles?
What pisses me off in most Mecha shows is the fact that the advanced bullshit technology that makes mecha so OP is never used in more traditional ground vehicles.
>>139071687
You're real and your waifu isn't
You lost.
>>139072554
What has jamming to do with any cell phone tier computer being able to aim weapons on any moving target with pinpoint accuracy, up to predicting exact velocity and path? Minovski particles might disturb rockets aim maybe, not the cockpit electronics or the mech woudnt work in first place.
Modern weaponry is better automated, more precise, devastating and easy to use than futuristic Mechas. Where Kira has to enter SEED mode and go full outist to shot 50 targets, a computer targetting system can do that easily and tripple more faster and precise.
>>139072377
Anon you do have to understand the velocity difference between 112m/sec and 1575m/sec and what that diffentiate HEAT rounds and kinetic energy penetrators? (as in how the they are built etc)
Have you also heard about the concept of decoy rounds?
>As in you fire a RPG-30 and the first thing that hit's the enemy vehicle is a decoy explosive that tricks the APS meaning the main round hits the vehicle and kills it (hopefully).
You can in theory interecept a modern APFSDS round with APS using special explosives. But that has not been tried in video so now you are speculating about how modern APS will protect your mech from tank rounds.
>>139072621
This is also very noticable in Battletech fiction/games. Modern tanks have better aim than 3025 Mechas.
>>139069241
With a single APDS round shot from its 120 MM cannon in a hull down position from 1/4 mile away
>>139072653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpmcmKwWzYo
That said, weaponry will always be step ahead of defences. Since as soon you have effective countermeasure, attack weapon is developed further to act against it.
>>139069241
Be the Hildofr
>>139071140
The blew up all the fighter plane factories
>>139069241
To pull a /tg/:
DEPENDS
ON
THE
SETTING
>but also that mechs have a multitude of flaws that make them vulnerable to the far more stable tank
>>139069241
The same way a tank deals with a plane.
Shoot it down.
>>139072789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9JPTVDFeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpmawlELLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob4tzk6LHFM
GLORIOUS SLAVIC EQUIPMENT WILL LEAD THE WAYThe question is can a mech handle explosive reactive armor (and other thing) using conventionl modern material without being too heavy. Also if it will be 20 meters tall or actually just 3.6 meters. And what role will the mech have in the modern combined arms team
>>139071224
But a mech has more surface area than a tank. It would require more armour for the same level of protection. A steel box with another steel box on top is a more efficient shape to armour than a humanoid form, thats one of the fundamental failings of a mecha.
A tank is merely a better as a fighting vehicle from almost every standpoint, be it logistical or design.
>>139072325
>Schwarzesmarken
pffftt that show.
The question is if you have watched it.
Aim for the legs.
>>139072047
Spheres would still be more effective than Mechs. Even though they are still retarded.
if mechs in real life would be flawed and useless then explain Titanfall
>>139073240
It's a video game.
>>139069241
>More maneuverable
Sure thing kid
>>139073240
Its a videogame
>>139073240
Most top dudes don't use Titans. Too big, too easy to shove a rocket or three up their arse. They drop them in to farm creeps, but the combat mainly takes place on foot.
>>139069241
Mechs are like katanas. Realistically shit compared to others but in fiction and in nerd delusions better because they "cool".
>>139069241
Assuming the same technology and resources are available to both, the tank. It's a more efficiently designed weapons platform with a smaller and lower profile that makes it less vulnerable.
>>139073974
You know, I never thought it like that, but that's a really accurate metaphor.
>>139073974
How are tanks in extremely uneven enviroments? I thought the main benefit of mechs were the all terrain mobility, including walking over objects blocking roads like debris, fallen trees, and such.
>>139074127
>mechs still have a glaring structural weakpoint, IE the legs. Especially the servos of the knee joints.
>>139073240
>if mechs in real life would be flawed and useless then explain a video game
You're retarded.
>>139072789
>Missile with HEAT warhead
>Same as kinectic 120mm sabot
No anon,your counter measure does nothing. EVEN IF it hits the sabot will ignore it
>>139069724
>A human the size of a mech wouldn't be able to stand without fracturing his legs
What if he had the proportions of a gorilla?
>>139074381
Quadrupeds reduce the load strain on joints.
>>139074127
Walking on legs is unstable enough.
>how can a tank defeat a mech?
By being more cost efficient and proven that the bean counters and desk jockies green light tank production rather than misallocate portions of the budget to something (a mech in this case) that may not even function, let alone take years before being deemed combat worthy and enter mass production.
Spider tanks would seem to be the best of both worlds, right?
Same way a stuG kills is-2's
Hide, and then shoot.
>>139072325
>tank are cold war era tanks
>mechs are some futuristic bullshit
I gee I wonder why mechs in this show have advantage.
>>139069763
mechs have ahab magic and their pilots uses Ahlijya-Vagina
>>139071057
But magical space cocaine can
>>139072005
>the sphere of doom would be more effective
Yeah, but then you realize this thing needs numerous external sensors, some kind of manipulators, complex RCS with verniers and shit, and that Active Mass Balance Auto-Control is actually pretty useful idea - voila, you basically invented a primitive kind of mecha.
>>139074661
Actually this would be on of the few things you could do with legs. It still would be kinda retarded but way better than full on mechs.
>>139075034
What?
Half of the shit you just said isn't needed. You need sensors, a drive and some kind of Balance-control at most. Nothing else.
>>139074661
It's a taller target than a tank.
>>139075203
It can climb buildings though. Higher profile is a decent tradeoff for urban superiority.
>>139071862
>Objects
>slow
They move at 500kph
>>139075203
Not that big a trade-off for the greatly enhanced manoeuvrability and stability
>>139075332
Some Objects can reach speeds of 700 Kph
>>139075235
>It can climb buildings though
It really can't, the building isn't designed to handle it and its legs would fall through the floor because the legs have a tiny contact surface, thus a lot of pressure.
>>139071485
There are physical links to some satellite comm receivers/transmitters on the outer shell.
>>139073974
>Katana
>shit
commit sudoku senpaitachi desu wa.
>>139075338
>bipedal configuration more stable than what essentially boils down to a flat box on tracks
>>139075365
There's also one that can break the sound barrier.
>>139075338
>A giant box being carried by legs is more stable than a box with wheels
Yeah, good luck with that.
>>139071830
ke?
>>139069714
a mech could shot 100 of those rounds a sec
>>139075949
>an imaginary mech
FTFY
>Mechs are much more maneuverable
They really really would not be. Just because they act like they are made out of paper in anime doesn't mean they are.
In that case you should also apply anime logic on tanks in which case.. .sky is the limit.
>>139069763
That's what they said about how Planes can't before they are proven they can fly.
>>139076178
They never did, though.
It was known that flight was possible for a long time before the airplane was invented.
The only question was "how."
>>139076329
It was said though. It was also said that trains would kill one because they travel so fast.
>>139075158
How would you deal with the recoil from firing (and presumably rotating in at least one dimension) weapons? How would you more effectively maneuver in a battle against similar machines or/and in a specific small area of space? Are you saying manipulators or at least retractable rods with locks on them isn't must-have in the outer space environment? Can't you think about possible basic tasks and space combat scenarios?
>>139076501
Not by any reasonable people, there's always crazies out there. Working towards the airplane was considered a good idea by most and there was a lot of money involved in it.
>>139076501
Those things were also said by uneducated fools.
>>139069241
>tank shoots at joints
>gg
A Scopedog could beat any Tank.
>>139076533
>>139076532
>What is the majority of the population
Congratulations you win a cookie.
>>139076532
>thinks that in real life weaponry can, be all, do all.
Weapons don't do all the tasks, there is equipment designed individually for all things.
Heavy battle tanks are not built to remove mines, just like how Heavy transports that can survive mines are not meant to be heavy battle tanks.
>>139076564
Cool, and the majority of our current population still thinks there is a tiny man inside of the car radio.
>>139070530
Only until we've develop more efficient lasers, buddy. After that, you're going to be obsolete.
>>139076590
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
>>139076524
Recoil-less guns, missiles.
vectored thrusters on the 3 axes and RCS
Yes
You're not using a fucking tank to do construction work, so no.
>>139071564
Anon, if heavy tanks are the only tanks that could field high powered lasers that can snipe planes from the sky, then we're all going to be building heavy tanks. Lasers are such a complete game-changer that comparing their stuff to our technology is an exercise in futility.
You cant drive a tank into space.
>>139076524
>space combat scenarios
Space combat is not ever going to be like you imagine it to be.
There's never going to be any close range, split second maneuvering or space dogfighting.
If tanks are so great, why did animals evolve legs instead of treads?
Checkmate tankfags.
>>139076329
Nah, it was the lack of available materials. It was only in the 18 and 19th century that real planes were capable of flight due to the availablity of fuel engines.
>>139076769
>thinks evolution is real
I see public education has done you well.
>>139076697
We are discussing a space spheres of doom in the first place. Personally I doubt that there will be any spacecraft-against-spacecraft combat in the foreseeable future. Only long-range Earth-based (surface, atmosphere) weapons against space targets and long-range space-based weapons against terrestrial targets, if anything.
>>139077210
That would be retarded. Why would we shoot it from Earth if we have a giant space weapon 2 miles from it.
>>139077383
Presumably, because the first one that is deployed in space can cover a fuckhuge arc and deny any other weapons from being deployed in its radius. Theoretically of course
>>139077488
Yet it has no defense against land attacks? In that case you just put a spike on yours and shoot it at the other one
>>139069241
Mechs are retarded as fuck.
There is nothing a mech can do that isn't done better by tanks, helicopters or infantry.
>>139077762
I was just answering his question, I'm not debating the feasibility of a space weapons platform.
>>139076785
I think you need to read up on when the first successful flight occurred anon because it wasn't the 1700's.
>>139069241
Here's to (you)
>>139072243
Source, please?
>>139072185
A mech would make a great light ground support weapon if you treat it like a light scout helicopter with pretty much infinite loiter time. I'd get chewed up by armor though, but slap a few hellfires or javelins on it and it should be able to hold it's own for a little bit at least.
>>139075499
Actually it depends. On some surfaces and situations legs are better. On evenish surfaces legs are at a disadvantage but climbing or very uneven/broken surfaces legs could have better stability.
>>139076769
Organic beings =/= machines, faggot. Because of nerves and stuff, living beings can't develop mechanics rotating around a fixed axis.
>>139075441
we're talking about a spider mech anon, read before you post
>>139075499
6 or more legs would actually be incredibly stable, since they could brace against recoil, adjust for uneven terrain and provides a wider base for the vehicles. Stability is certainly an area where its legs>wheels
>>139079729
AT-TE stronk
>>139079729
I don't see tanks needing to brace against recoil
>>139076686
What now?
>>139079882
Have you ever seen a tank fire? It lurches quite noticeably, especially when firing on a flat plane. Minimizing recoil with hydraulic compensation and a wider base also means you can put a bigger gun in the vehicle.
>>139080571
>Have you ever seen a tank fire?
Actually no. The military did not have a reason yet to hunt me down with tanks.
>>139080702
thats what internet videos are for
>>139080778
>Not experiencing it live
Why even bother then?
>>139080571
And it works. No bracing required, since a tank that needs to brace itself before firing is quite a drawback.
Bigger is not better. Having bigger guns means that you can carry less ammo, both due to the extra space taken by the gun and by each individual shell as well, save for making a bigger chassis, which brings about its own problems as well.
>>139069241
Only in space could a mecha work
>>139069241
>huge mech target
>only scored a mobility kill on the tank
>>139081229
>a space fighter is still superior at everything in space combat
>>139081321
>>139071449
just drop in from space, directly over center. Its guns can't cover those angles
>>139080969
It wouldnt have to brace like an artillery piece, the legs would just have to provide counterforce in whatever position they are in, eliminating the back and forth rocking tanks usually experience which would decrease the time tie between shots. Even then, its common practice to deploy a line of tanks in a fixed position to serve as direct fire support, so having a tank or SPG with the ability to brace itself would actually be a pretty attractive option
I dont know what you're imagining in your head but its clearly not what i am trying to convey
>>139069241
Depends, if mech technology is implemented on the tank.
Tank would be this superior long range support, like a sniper with a more powerful dual automatic artillery, armed with rocket pods, if a mech can move fast enough being bipedal doesn't that mean a tank is advance enough that it can move faster and even rotate faster?
>>139074661
Il bite your bait
Spider mech...
>Is taller target
>Packs less ammo
>Packs smaller gun
>Packs less armour
>Packs less fuel
>Packs less everything like modern targeting tools,guardian system etc
>Is slower than the tank
>Cant climb building due to PHYSICS
>Is less reliable and takes more maintenance
>Has pretty much same armour and weapons like your run of the mill IFV except...
>Everything above
>It cant carry troops
Best recent mech anime with minimal fanservice? I literally never watch this genre.
>>139082710
Depends if you want cute girls, edgy vampires, shitty kids, idols, fujobait, toy advertising, tech porn, or something else.
For one genre it's quite varied.
>>139082949
Preferably a cast of adults, mostly males, if possible since that's what I'd expect in a military setting. With lots of violence.
>humanoid robots will eventually be as reactive as humans if not more
>scale it up to mech size
can you beat a miniature remote controlled tank in a fight?
>>139084502
>scale it up to mech size
Yeah because that's just a simple step with no complications. Just the mere fact that it's bigger means everything changes. It won't even be able to jump like a human because the force would cause the ground to crumble. =
>>139072201
Source?
>>139078270
Is there mecha show with crew having dog as part of it?
>>139071336
needs more Dakka
>>139085488
metadata
>>139072005
mechs would also be able to use cover while attacking
>>139086838
And tanks can't because?
>>139086887
I was talking about space mechs
>>139086923
I repeat:
And any other thing can't because?
>>139086838
>Cover
No they couldnt. Either...
>Theyre on open plain on which there is no cover. They get raped due to high profile
>Theyre in a city where they get raped by infantry armed with AT weapons
>>139072789
You're comparing a defense effective on a relatively slow moving 2 lb rocket powered grenade and claiming it will work on a ridiculously faster 41 lb tank round.
>>139086953
I'm not talking about land mechs
>>139086948
would a starfighter be able to use cover?
>>139087377
>Would a Stardestroyer be able to use cover?+
Yes. Why shoulnd't he?
>>139087437
no a destroyer a one man star fighter
>>139087470
What the fuck is bigger? What the fuck has more problems to use cover due to size?My little anon CAN'T be this retarded.
>>139087502
a small mech that would just about the same size as a fighter like macross
>Realismfags
>>139069241
why cant we be friends
>>139087544
>Mech in space
>Has legs and arms that dont offer any advantage except limit the actual loadout
>Fighter
>Can be a flying box,thrusters everywhere
>Is smaller and able to take cover more effectively.
Honestly though,talknig about cover in space is beyond retarded. We already fight on ranges which are beyond human perception.
In space those will likely double or even be ten times bigger due to the fact that theres no friction. Gravitys effect will also be much smaller
>>139088102
why would they keep the legs of a mech in space and a fighter cant use laser sniper so checkmate>>139071971
>>139088247
>fighter cant use laser sniper
Why not?
>why would they keep the legs
So its not a mech anymore
>>139088353
who says that mechs need legs?
>>139086835
Thanks
Mechs excel in combat in fiction because they're cool and sell plamo
Tanks exist because they're practical
WOW SO HARD
>>139088396
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>>139072789
Rheinmetall's AMAP-ADS can intercept M829 APFSDS, but cannot prevent the destruction (or at least severe external melting) of the tank it is meant to be protecting. There is just too much depleted uranium traveling too fast for a conventionally viable ADS explosive charge to completely defeat. AMAP-ADS is potentially the best ADS system in existence.
That said M829A4 is in production as of two months ago, which apparently defeats all known radar-based ADS systems.
I only dislike mecha when literally everything in the world revolves around them and the concept of combined arms doesn't exist. I mean there's no reason you can't stick the gun from a mech on a tank platform and fuck shit up with it
Series like Muv Luv are pretty good at suspending my disbelief in that regard, since they not only give a semi-believable reason for mecha, but include tanks and shit as well.
