What the FUCK is his problem?
>>139022197
He's tired of his job and just wants to leave it and go eat fancy food all day, but he can't do that until he finds someone to take his place.
That's why he's so interested in Goku and Vegeta gaining power, so one of them can replace him once they get strong enough, and he can grow fat and happy like Chappa.
Little does he know, Chappa is miserable and has a glandular issue.
>>139022197
Hungry
He capped out and can't find anyone worth fighting against
>>139022197
he is the most poweful creature in the universe, the only things he likes are fighting and food
no one is a good challenge for him and has already tried most of the food in the universe
he is just bored as fuck
i wonder if the same thing would happen to goku or vegeta if one of them becomes the new god of destruction
>>139022332
Why do I have a feeling that Goku would be even worse at his job than Vegeta?
>>139022406
Because Goku is bad at EVERY job.
This motherfucker needs to invest in video games or something. Shit.
Also couldn't he, technically, pass the responsibility of destruction onto Whis? And then Beerus could fuck off and do whatever else?
>>139022197
OPM syndrome, except there are still people who are supposed to be stronger than him.
>>139022463
Can't argue with that.
>>139022618
This. Whis is still canonically stronger than him so why isn't Beerus training his ass to beat him?
>>139022847
Whis isn't even playing the same game as anybody else in any of the universes.
Whis honestly couldn't give a fuck about anything besides mentoring.
Besides Whis basically has been doing that for millions of years and Whis still makes Beerus look like a fucking joke.
>>139023073
All the more reason to train if he wants a challenge so badly.
>>139022197
He is the best DB antagonist ever made, even if DBS is shit.
I literally only watch this fucking show because of him. Beerus is perfect.
>>139023073
Who would win, Whis or Giorno with GER?
>>139024566
Giorno has to activate GER first, and Whis is just so fucking nuts that he can just do anything before it fully activates.
Even then, he'd probably choose to just blow up another planet if Giorno takes too long to get rid of. Plus, why would he want to blow up a planet with such good food?
>>139024652
You're so wrong it hurts.
>>139024652
GER could solo the DBZ-verse. That shit is way too stronk.
>>139024724
Only if it knows what to hit.
If Whis just fucked over to the other side of the planet, he could probably blow it up from there.
>>139024817
If whis went to the other side of the planet and tried to blow it up, this is what would happen
Whis:Lemme just blow this shit
GER: Nah senpai, I think you're just going to be dead forever now
Repeat with every other character. GER is literally just lolgiornowins the stand.
>>139024870
That doesn't work though. GER has to kill something to make it die forever, and when Whis is as strong as he is, that's not a very likely option.
The most he could do is just negate the destruction of Earth until Whis gets annoyed and chooses to go away.
>>139022197
that fucker ruined dbz for me
>>139025004
GER has infinite range, infinite speed, and can pull it's bullshit death loop with one punch. Best part? It's a reaction stand, it requires no input from Giorno, so here's what happens:
Whis: I'ma blow this shit up
GER:nah famig, instead you got punched and are now dying forever
Rinse and repeat son.
>>139022197
He's pretty much an accurate representation of what would happen if you gave a cat godlike powers.
>>139022197
>HNNGG
what the fuck he mean by this?
>>139025051
No, you idiot. Its stats are listed as None, and it clearly killed Diavolo with several punches before it gave him the death loop.
DBZ fighters can't hurt him directly, but they can certainly do it indirectly. When you've got all the stuff Whis and a series can do, I'm pretty sure they can take a few punches from a guy.
>>139025184
Its stats are listed as none because they don't fucking matter.
GER activated in erased time. Not stopped time, not even altered time.
Time that literally did not exist. GER activates at that point and punches out Diavolo. Whis ain't got shit. GER is fucking high-tier. Have you ever seen that nice little chart that flows around /a/? The one with all the powerlevels, where Beerus and Whis are mid-tier and Giorno is right below fucking Demonbane and Featherine? There's a reason for that. GER is hax, anything that's interpreted as a threat to Giorno is neutralized before it fucking happens.
>>139025271
>he thinks /a/ is accurate
manchild plz
none of those faggys are fucking with whissu~
>>139025271
Doesn't mean he can beat Whis. It's powerful, but only for threats in the vicinity, even then there's the matter of whether or not he can do anything to actually deal with Whis other than nullifying his actions.
>>139025335
>threats in the vicinity
Which is why Diavolo kept dying long after Giorno left rome right?
GER literally has no range, because it works anywhere. It works outside of reality. If Whis tries anything he'd get fucked.
>>139025314
Giorno could buttfuck Whissu while Beerus-chan watches.
>>139025383
So then what, is Giorno going to fly into space and fight Whis? What's he going to do, punch him to death?
>>139022197
he's a pussy
>>139025383
It's a lingering effect, not a world-wide one, Giorno loses Requiem after the arrow falls out, he has to put it back in if he wants to go super mode again.
>>139025450
GER will punch him out. Giorno has no need to move. And it seems like it doesn't really matter whether GER punches him or not, the effect is just that you die.
>>139025532
Not true, read Purple Haze Feedback.
>>139025609
I read Purple Haze Feedback, Giorno heals Fugo without him noticing, that's a standard power of Gold Experience. Not only that, but Gold Experience punched the shit out of Diavolo, so hard that King Crimson's tiny face flew off of his regular face. I think he might have to actually kill somebody for the loop to take effect.
Anyway, I don't think we can discuss Vento Aureo until it gets fully translated, there's tons of stuff missing from the old translation, and these are the better scans.
>>139025722
No, you haven't. Feedback specifically mentions that he has Requiem. get shit on fag.
>>139025774
>specifically
Uh huh.
>>139025809
You think there's an immense gulf between him and vanilla GE?
>>139025931
Well, GE made Giorno immune to Purple Haze's viruses, could heal injuries, could create a variety of living things, could make a banana out of a gun, I think Purple Haze doesn't have nearly as many options as it does.
So, what makes you think that Gold Experience Requiem was "specifically" mentioned in the novel?
It's not the ultimate God power that it seems in the old shitty scans, it's a temporary buff that can prevent actions from being completed.
>>139025988
>It's not the ultimate god power that it seems
Yes it is, The fact that it acts outside of erased time is proof enough of that.
>>139026024
Well, can it stop Whis from attacking Giorno? Yes. Can it kill Whis? No.
There's many things about Gold Experience Requiem that were lost in the old scans. I know for a fact that you relied on the wiki for most of that, since only they claim that Giorno still had Requiem when he healed Fugo.
The thing has limitations. Just because it could beat a middle aged man in erased time doesn't necessarily mean it can beat anyone.
>>139026067
So, a stalemate at worst for Gio?
>>139026067
Erased time has a lot of implications you're choosing to ignore, namely that it exists outside space and time, which it does, which means Whis is fucked.
>>139026119
Stalemate at best. Giorno's still human. Even with Gold Experience Requiem, he can't just go flying through galaxies just for some food like Whis can. They'd probably just agree to disagree regarding Earth's destruction and choose to go have pizza instead.
>>139026156
Doesn't mean he can do anything to hurt him. Gold Experience had a power ranking of C, and yet it could still punch Ciocolatta to death, I don't think King Crimson and his Durability of E could take a beating from him either.
Besides, King Crimson has no Precision ranking as well, doesn't mean he can split an atom.
>>139026161
Giorno doesn't have to go flying. GER is an automatic stand, it attacks by itself
>>139026243
King Crimson has an unknown precision rank, and GER very clearly is supposed to be beyond the typical stand rankings. This is a curbstomp battle. It doesn't matter what Whis does, GER will react, GER will kill, and Whis has no ability to stop that.
>>139026288
How does Giorno gain even more Precision and Development Potential? Are there somehow even more potential utilizations for nullifying actions other than nullifying actions? Why even bother waiting for Diavolo with his infinite speed? How come he didn't destroy Pucci with his infinitely fast stand with infinite range and infinite strength?
Or, maybe the whole "none" thing in all of his statistics just represents how it's a fully automatic stand, and doesn't mean he's invincible.
>anything in JoJo touching anything past Saiyan-saga villains
Yeah alright Jojonies, whatever you say.
>>139026568
I love JoJo, but even I know that Whis is on another level entirely. I don't get why the other guy's trying to argue using poor translations, can wikis and headcanon as evidence.
>>139026470
>Why wait
He doesn't, I've mentioned this like 5 times now, it's a reaction stand. You attack, you lose. It's that simple.
>Pucci
No reason to believe that Made in Heaven affected Giorno in the slightest. It didn't affect most people.
>>139022197
Too weak in power list.
>>139026642
>>139026568
I'm arguing using pretty much common understanding of how these powers work.
GER would curbstomp. As I've already said.
Whis will attack, GER will negate that attack. And being that GER is automatic, this will happen whether Giorno is aware or not. GER will then attack back, again without Giorno knowing and will, considering Whis has literally no defense against it, kill him.
Even average stands are FTL, shit like GE regular. Requiem is on a whole other level.
We've been over this, a lot.
>>139026568
Dio would comfortably beat any Dragonball Z character up until Cell.
>>139026768
Attack with his fists? Nothing's shown that Gold Experience Requiem has any enhanced strength or defense, Diavolo sees that he kills Giorno in the future. Whis's actions may be nullified, but whether or not he can get harmed by it is another thing.
>>139026568
The World over Heaven is stronger than anything in Dragonball Z by a shitload, literally an oceanic difference in power.
>>139026927
If he's so strong, how come he's dead.
>>139026916
>Nothing shows that Gold Experience Requiem has enhanced strength
He'll just get Muda'd to death. Whis has no way to defend.
>>139026969
Because Jotaro is the John Cena of the Jojoverse.
>>139027126
That's like spraying a mountain with a hose and thinking it'll erode. The sheer strength of many DBZ characters means that you can't defeat them simply by punching them. Even if GER was supposedly as strong as you make him sound, there's no real proof that he can kill Whis at his level.
>>139027317
>My characters win because I said so!
Diavolo doesn't die immediately either. He gets Muda'd and then GER's bullshit eternity of death powers kick in. Trish even remarks that Diavolo is alive when he falls down the river. I'm sorry that your favorite character isn't as strong as you thought he was, but this shit is fucking established. GER is absolutely way stronger than anyone in DBZ
Please consult>>139026737
if you have any trouble understanding.
>>139027398
Look man, I love Giorno, but he's not that powerful. Diavolo entered the death loop when he got muda'd, and Trish can sense him because he's not entirely dead yet. Even then, Whis can reverse time, and the games show that Kira can do the same thing and revert Gold Experience Requiem.
So what is this series and how does it branch off the existing DBZ stuff.
>>139027501
If you're trapped in an inifinte loop, then there's no way out of that one. The same way Diavolo can't erase his way out of re-dying.
Giorno is that powerful. You are literally the only person on earth that disagrees with this. You're letting your fanboyism get in the way of the fact that there's pretty much a consensus that GER reks anything that can do some heavy, heavy reality warping, shit much stronger than anything in DBZ.
>>139027629
anything that can't* do some
>>139027595
It's the official sequel to DBZ following the Buu Saga. Beerus is the God of Destruction and comes to destroy Earth because that's his job. Goku tries to stop him using his immense God power, but Beerus still is too powerful. He just admits defeat and goes to blow up another planet instead.
>>139027675
>official sequel
So the GT sequel wasn't canon? Sure seems confusing.
Is there another official saga after this
>>139027629
So how come Pucci was able to reset the world? If Giorno was that strong, he could've just sent GER out to stop him. The death loop only works if he can actually kill something, and even then he only did that because GER really hates Diavolo.
>>139027742
GT's unofficial, yeah. It was made by the studio with an original story not written by Toriyama.
>>139027767
>Why didn't he stop Pucci
I've answered that in this thread. I'm not answering it again. Read Part 6 again, because clearly you don't get it.
And no, that's not how the death loop works. Again, I just said this, Trish literally, literally, literally, states that Diavolo is alive after he falls in the river.
>>139025060
This desu
>>139027794
GT is just as official as Super. They're both done by Toei.
>>139028724
Super was actually written by Toriyama though, which everyone considers to be infinitely more canon.
>>139026737
That list is some special kind of autism
>>139029495
You need to have a special kind of autism to take power levels seriously and make lists like that.
>>139028925
>Toriyama wrote Buu out of fighting in the tournament
whyyyy
DBZ Resurrection F sure made a big bucket of money
>>139027595
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/super/
>>139029843
Wonder how Resurrection of C would go.
>>139029625
Same, I'm disappointed that we'll never see him in a serious fight again
>>139030069
The one time we get to see Piccolo and Buu again, and Buu gets banned.
Wish Piccolo would have gone inside Buu to temporarily given him the intelligence to pass.
>>139022197
BAD KITTY
>>139022197
He's essentially the DBZ-powerlevel-equivalent of an autistic manchild with retard-strength.
>>139022332
>yfw you realize that goku doesnt take his job and instead gohan does and becomes the greatest god of destruction ever
>>139030062
holy shit
>>139030062
>There was a single Cell cell left after the father-son Kamehameha
>He's been watching Buu, Golden Frieza, God Goku, Beerus, and Whis, and is now stronger than all of them
It's literally only a matter of time before someone cashes in on this idea.
>>139030929
Come up with a cool title for the movie
>>139030929
>the film is in CGI because they REALLY hate cell's dots
>>139030964
Dragon Ball Cancerget it, because cell's uncontrollable
>>139030964
Dragon Ball Z: The Ultimate Evolution
>>139030062
I thought you were talking about cooler for a second
>>139030993
Or they just make a new power up for him like golden frieza just to get rid of them
>>139031152
The mighty Emerald Cell, completely green to represent the plant cell's chlorophyll. He gets his power from the sun, much like the Oozaru. As a result, Goku comes up with a plan to blow it up.
And this is just his first form...
>>139031235
Giving a whole new meaning to Solar Kamehameha
>>139026568
Stands works in ways beyond mere powerlevels. When its a stand battle, it's not about who punches or energy blasts harder, it's about using the strenghts and bizarre abilities of the stand to your advantage. Even SSGSS Goku would suffer the consequences of being affected by Purple Haze or Metallica for example
Would you like to see gohan man up again against cell? It would be awesome if he trained...
>>139031560
Yeah, something like Purple haze would decimate pretty much anyone in Dragon Ball. Not to mention shit like Tusk, D4C, or Soft and Wet have stupid broken potential.
>>139031622
You're forgetting Purple Haze has a range of C and the virus dies to sunlight.
Purple Haze will easily die. Even Krillin of all people can beat that shit.
>>139031622
I dunno, Buu could definitely regenerate fast enough, and if they're quick enough, a ki blast could vaporize the capsule. Depends on the circumstances.
>>139031580
Why not give him a new villain to fight instead of rehashing old ones?
>>139031720
Purple Haze has a range of about 20 meters. Anyone who can fly and can ki blast or even shoot a gun will beat that shit.
>>139031765
>Normal people can see stands
>Implying that they would know what Purple Haze does
You seem to be missing one of the key points of Jojo, it's not about what your ability does, it's how you use it. Stone Free is a bullshit stand, but that Mobius strip stuff at the end of Stone Ocean is way cooler than anything in DBZ.
>>139031735
Agree, but if someone had to defeat cell it would be nice to see him surpass goku and vegeta, against a new version of cell ( golden, ssj god etc)
>>139031815
Telepathy exists in Dragon Ball. Far-sight exists in Dragon Ball.
Only the most broken stands like GER can really survive out in DBZ-verse.
>but that Mobius strip stuff at the end of Stone Ocean is way cooler than anything in DBZ.
That's besides the argument. We're not arguing what's cool and what's not.
>>139024724
Whis is approaching true omnipotence with limitless reality bending and universe crushing strength. They're playing in different leagues.
>How does 'god ki' work?
Think of ki capacity as your power level. Now, think of ki like a sound wave. To get the same note one octave higher, you have to double the frequency. Each time you go up an octave you have to double the frequency of the current one, so even though the difference between an A6 and A7 is huge compared to the difference between an A1 and and A2, it's still only one octave higher. This is why in early DB a slight increase in power level has so much effect, while in later episodes they differ by millions and can still hurt each other.
God KI is a bit like altering the amplitude of the ki wave instead of/as well as the frequency. While the frequency of a wave is a fairly simple middle school equation, amplitude is a lot more complicated which is why usually only gods or people with god ki can sense other god kis.
Fight me.
>>139026161
Actually, GER has its own sentience outside Giorno. Diavolo tried skipping time so Giorno was unaware but GER was aware.
>>139032011
You're very wrong. Neither of those things are true, and neither would compare him to GER either.
Anothing thing about stand battles, is that they rarely are straight shonen combats. Most of time, they fight indirectly until defeating whatever gimmick the enemy has and only at the end there's machinegun punching to humiliate the enemy. So the only effective way dragon ballers have of defeating stands is by pre-emptively knowing who has a stand and what those stands can do and nuke from the air the whole zone where the stand user is. Otherwise they would end up trapped in whatever ability the stand has and blindly attack or again, use a nuke to blow everything in hopes of killing the stand user.
Anyways, villains would have no issues just nuking stuff and call it a well done job, but the heroes would be in a tough spot if they don't want to cause casualties fighting a stand user.
>>139032048
>I haven't watched any of Super
It shows.
>>139032095
> So the only effective way dragon ballers have of defeating stands is by pre-emptively knowing who has a stand and what those stands can do and nuke from the air the whole zone where the stand user is.
King Kai exists and warns the heroes of shit. You're forgetting telepathy/mind-reading and omniscience (on their respective realms) exist in DBZ.
There's your answer.
Most stand users won't stand a chance. It's really just the select few with bullshit powers.
>>139032183
I haven't because its garbage. But I know Whis' thing, and despite having some nifty abilities, he's definitely not a reality warper on par with Giorno, even with his time-hax and destructive power.
>>139032095
Probably just do the same thing that happened to Guldo. Dio could probably go far, but only because of his vampire stamina.
>>139032198
Wait so why does the entire Dragonball universe get to gang up on a single entity? If its verse vs verse then Jojo wins so easily it isn't even funny
GER, Tusk, Made in Heaven, The World over Heaven, D4C, Love Train > Literally anything that's ever been in Dragonball Z
And there are a lot of underrated stands that could do lots of damage, Soft and Wet comes to mind.
>>139022197
He was in a shit movie then an even shittier show. I'd be pretty annoyed/bored too.
>>139032297
And that isn't even mentioning people like Kira, whose powers rely on the fact that he seems like an average joe schmoe. Or Okuyasu, who could keep up with RHCP.
It's also pretty worth mentioning that stands are way, way faster than anyone in DBZ. Most stands are FTL, few DBZ characters, if any, reach that speed.
>GER has only been used once in the manga
>description of it is vague
>herp derp he could solo everything
>>139032234
>I haven't
And yet you still pretend to have any fucking idea what you're talking about. Congrats, you won best shitposter of the day.
>>139032352
Actually, Goku outran a Solar Flare as a kid.
>>139032402
Please do tell me what feats Whis has that can stop GER. Bring them up to me. Tell me what feats can stop something that exists outside of time and space, needs no input from Giorno and will send you into a death spiral?
Why do people get so upset and argue so much when someone says "Your favorite character can't be my favorite character"
Like holy shit, every thread.
>>139032352
It would be funny if Goku was there, farming as he sometimes does and then this classy guy appears, offers to buy some of his veggies, and then touches him while nobody's looking and makes goku explode so hard nothing remains of him.
>>139032427
And Roshi blew up the moon, DB powerlevels are whack. You know damn well that's not the rules most of DBZ operates on.
>>139032468
Si? Roshi is capable of such a thing. Two fingers from Nappa casually level cities as a joke.
>>139032437
Gods in Super straight up ignore reality. Time, space, telepathy, having to think to react, durability to the point that universe destroying punches can be shrugged off, literally creating matter out of nothing.
You really have no idea how broken these characters are now, and they're playing on a completely different playing field in terms of scale. They can literally move planets around without breaking a sweat. No stand is capable of even hurting them.
>>139032437
Prove that GER has unlimited range to begin with.
>>139032554
>*So
Why is the i key right beside the o?
>>139032297
I never said gang up. Someone was making the argument that DBZ must be able to know what a stand can do, and they can find that out. There are omniscient gods in DBZverse.
>>139032352
Stands are not FTL and are tied to their users' reaction speed save for GER or automatic stands.
Besides, King Kai alone, or even Kami/Piccolo will instantly know who Kira is. Kira's rekt. Bites the Dust won't even save him.
Anyone capable of a long-range ki-blast and flight can beat most stand users.
>>139032560
Purple haze touches a god. Dead god.
>>139032569
It works in erased time.
Not stopped time.
Erased time.
Time that doesn't exist. Time that literally has not happened. It exists outside time and space. Giorno says it himself, it's something outside of his processing, it just works.
>>139032653
>Life and death affecting Goku, let alone gods
You're so silly.
>>139032427
>Tian Jinfan
>>139032653
Purple Haze can't fly. Fugo is a turtle compared to Krillin.
>>139032684
As far as I know, nobody in DB can revive themselves, it was always the dragon balls what revived them. So it is still their loss for dying
>>139032646
>Stands are not FTL
Stands have been FTL since early Part 3, read the manga.
I love the assumptions that you guys have to make that every single DB character is operating in unison to gang up on one or two stand users, as if that was ever how an episode of Dragonball went down.
Literally every character
>Go in for punch
>Purple Hazed
Dead
You can conjure any kind of scenario you want where the entire DB community works together to defeat one or two stand users, but on the whole, given a 1 on 1 match between Stand users and DB characters, there's more than enough Stand users to come out on top.
>>139032656
>it just works
jojo in a nutshell
Also no one here is mentioning King Crimson. I'd love to see the reasoning for why Goku would be able to beat him, despite the fact that he'd clearly get his shit pushed in.
>>139032753
pretty sure that only star platinum and za warudo at their peaks were FTL
jojo doesn't work on a power creep in terms of physical abilities after all
>>139032753
>punch
>not ki blast
Cute. You keep ignoring Fugo's actual body.
Even Mista can fucking kill Fugo. Even a fucking cop with a gun can kill Fugo.
>>139032744
The concepts of life and death dint actually effect them. If anything, it would make Goku stronger. You can win without overpowering them.
And old Kai could trade life on a whim.
>>139032834
Nah, Silver Chariot is FTL and as is Magician's Red, both were able to see J Geil go from mirror to mirror, which he travels through using light. Not only that, but they fucking cut him up as he was traveling.
>>139032887
good thing GER kills you infinitely
That way Goku can die forever and ever, tragically getting stronger but stil dying.
>>139032753
>Strong DB fighters can't sense abilities, alter reality and defeat low tier reality warpers
>"you die" rules will beat them
Ha
>>139032920
What's he gonna die from, an endless supply of Sorbet Lasers?
>>139032920
I don't think you follow. They are humans. "Dying" doesn't mean anything to them.
>>139022197
Another fucking thread ruined by jojo homosexual fags thinking it's some hot shit and they might have a chance
jesus fucking christ
>>139032890
didn't they just predict his path?
>>139032972
How about you die forever from an effect that's outside space and time and goes into effect the moment you attack? And by die forever, I mean you literally die forever, as in you keep dying forever.
>>139032999
Heart Disease
>>139033018
I don't think you understand. You don't die once. You die forever. As in literally you keep dying forever. As in Goku would be trapped in an endless cycle of dying over and over again, knowing its coming and being completely unable to do anything about it. He won't go the afterlife, he'll just keep dying forever.
Fuck dude, some of the enemy deaths in Jojo are metal as fuck.
Kira, Kars, and Diavolo all have fates way, way worse than just dying.
>>139032427
Why can't they just close their eyes?
>>139033063
Jojoverse is definitely stronger than DBZ on the whole.
>>139033086
When you yell out an attack name, the enemy wants to pay attention to see what you're going to do next. Nobody would ever think of closing their eyes against an opponent.
>>139033086
That would be smart thing to do, and DB characters must be in full retarded mode so there's a plot. Example: The whole cyborgs saga wouldn't have worked if they weren't retards
>>139033079
>Actually losing your life affects them at all
We get it, you dint know anything about DB. Overpowering them stops them. Taking away their status as living doesn't even make them flinch.
You lose.
>>139033120
They can't bust planets.
>>139033120
of course it is..
it's on whole another level of bullshit
The World Over Heaven can bust whatever the fuck it wants. As can Pucci for that matter, who literally ends the universe.
>>139033249
You actually aren't getting it. He doesn't die once. It's a consistent act. He loses by virtue of the fact that he's too busy dying to fight.
>>139032234
>being this autistic about JoJo vs DBZ
Kids like you are why shit like Deathbattle exists, and it is totally shit.
No one cares about cross universe match-up except for fucking rapid fanboys. back to
>>>/v/
with you.
>>139033383
>too busy dying
What part of "dying literally doesn't make them so much as flinch" do you not understand?
Going by the dbverse logic the only thing GER will probably do to whis is give him a constantly flickering halo.
>>139033427
I've watched Dragonball Z and Super, you clearly haven't read Vento Aureo. Dying is an act, wherein Goku maintains no control of his body and it happens infinitely forever.
>>139033504
Nah, Diavolo loses all control of his body and can't hax his way out of it.
As Giorno puts it, Never-ending is an ending. It doesn't matter if your guys can take death on the nose, the fact that its literally constant and unstoppable means you lose. Good job, good effort
>>139033561
>I can ignore how DB characters experience death because ignoring their abilities suits my point
Nah
>>139022494
Something like this?
>>139026858
What? He's Guldo tier at best.
>>139033561
Death is nothing to them. Infinity times 0 is still 0. They do not care about dying. At all.
You lose. Good effort.
>>139033588
They're not experiencing death. They're experiencing GER's death loop, which is different and doesn't send people to the after-life.
Jojo has an afterlife too, Kira goes there when he dies. Diavolo doesn't.
>>139033637
Death might be nothing, but the act of being trapped in a death loop is different from dying and going to the afterlife, see>>139033638
GER doesn't even let you die correctly.
>>139033638
>They're experiencing GER's death loop, which is different and doesn't send people to the after-life.
Death loop is based on the concept of death. They don't care about the afterlife or any of that shit.
So fanwanking stands, they're out of their league when dealing with actual gods.
>>139033619
Guldo was limited by his stubby limbs and poor lung capacity. With enough practice, Dio could probably stop time for more than five minutes. He'll have issues against anyone that can regenerate though.
>>139033673
>being trapped in a death loop
You say this like death is even a minor inconvenience. Dying does not effect what they are currently doing. It does not stop them.
>>139033689
No, it isn't based on the concept of death. Diavolo should, by all measures be dead when his fucking liver is surgically removed during the autopsy, but guess what shithead? He's still dying because that's just what GER does.
I bet you're the kind of faggot that DBZ in on par with SMT.
>>139030929
more like
>Turns out, a Cell Jr was produced during the downtime before the Cell games. This was Cell's test to see how much energy it would take, and how powerful they would be
>That Cell Jr is now fully grown
>uses a tiny spy cam to watch the various God battles
>trains to unlock his own version of Golden Frieza
>faces the Saiyans, but still lose.
>creates his OWN set of 5 cell Jrs, who go "Super Saiyan" and becomes a Golden Cell God.
>Gets killed by a stray lazerbeam
>>139033742
>Dying stops them
Dying does nothing to them. It doesn't matter if it's constantly happening. It literally does not effect them. At all. He is powerless.
>>139033728
You're trying to "no u" an ability that literally is just "You fucking lose"
It's stupid, and you are incorrect.
>>139033780
>Having no control over your body doesn't stop you from having control over your body
Aight, cool great counter argument.
>>139033790
You're pretending a no u ability can beat characters who are made out of no u and shrug off no u reality and rules for sport.
Stands are simply out classed.
>>139033825
>Death I'm any capacity effects control of their bodies
Stop fucking talking about a series you've never read or watched.
>>139032687
That's what you get when you run a Chinese name through a Japanese language and retranslate it back to English.
>>139033561
Oh Noes!
Goku is stuck permanently dying?
If only we had some magical plot devices that can undo such a horrible fate!
>>139033857
Death doesn't have that effect, being trapped by GER does do that though shithead, which is what we're talking about. Diavolo never dies. He just keeps "Dying" which literally amounts to him having no control over his body as fate decides to just send things that tear him apart. He never dies, you fucking mongoloid.
>>139033926
He's not dead, he's dying. I'm gonna also say right now that GER > Shenron.
>>139033982
>Dying" which literally amounts to him having no control over his body as fate decides to just send things that tear him apart.
These things effect humans, not gods.
>>139034021
They effect whatever the fuck GER wants them to effect. GER exists outside of reality, do you think it gives a shit about the arbitrary distinction of God?
>>139034060
Do you think gods care about low tier reality warpers?
>>139034140
>low tier
lel, tell it to the powerlevel charts faggot. Existing outside reality is a greater feat than anything in DBZ.
Dead people can only stay in the world of the living for one day, so its not as easy as saying they simply get a cute halo, that would severely hinder any effort of them, and they are out of luck if they already died once or shenlon is in his one year cooldown
>>139034198
Erasing Time is a greater display of power than anything in DBZ. That's universal reality warping. GER literally says fuck that shit, that didn't happen.
That's what happens to Whis too, he tries something, GER says fuck you and Giorno wins. Congratulations, you can collect your participation trophy at the door.
>>139034198
>fancharts mean literally anything
Ah, I didn't realize just how fucking stupid you are. I'll stop.
>>139034265
I still say that the greatest display of power in Dragon Ball is Vegetto making Buu's nose bleed.
>>139034276
That's good, you weren't saying anything cogent anyway.
Goku almost (and indeed died in a timeline) to a regular illness, he's dead meat against powers that directly affect his body and bypasses bullshit like ki auras and barriers.
>>139026737
>arceus stronger than beerus
a 10 year old can catch him with a pokeball and he dies to shit like toxic and leech seed, c'mon
>>139034469
He also created a multiverse, game mechanics =/= lore
You could argue he's alright with being caught.
>>139032887
>And old Kai could trade life on a whim.
If he can do that, how come he didn't do that to revive goku in trunk's bad future, when they needed him the most?
>>139033982
>He's not dead, he's dying. I'm gonna also say right now that GER > Shenron.
Why would you say that?
Shenron cannot KILL, but he can restore things just fine. Hell, he can restore the moon, grant immortality, etc.
Remember that the rule of thumb for Shenron is that doing something AGAINST the will of a person is difficult if they're too powerful, but doing something to someone who's willing is a different scenario.
I'll give you though that he couldn't turn androids into humans, so massive biological alterations seems to be problematic.
But all of the wish needs to do is simply wish for Goku to be moved out of GER's power effect (such as, by moving him to the afterlife)
But all of this MIGHT be moot.
Did GER ever use a death loop on anyone other than Diavolo, who's power set involved time skipping?
Is it possible the death loop only exists because of this perfect combination?
>>139034514
Because that never happened because Goku could never die and if he did die that would only make him stronger
>>139034514
You mean when he was still trapped in a sword?
>>139034569
Giorno never uses it on anyone else, but the way he describes it is that the power of Gold experience Requiem is "Never ending is an ending"
I think we're meant to understand that that is his power. Although there's an implication that the arrow choses the powers it grants appropriately (i.e. Diavolo gets fucked over by pretty much the only power out there that can take on King Crimson)
>>139034569
If shenlon cannot undo something as simple as human augmentation, undoing the manipulation of cause and effect would be impossible for him
So did Toei really change Frost's story? In the recent manga chapter he made no story about his playing both sides antics
>>139034673
Yeah, and to add onto this, heaven is kind of a physical place in DBZ, so I would assume that the loop still applies.
>>139032024
"normal" ki = ki leaking out of you as you increase
"god" ki = contained ki that can increase, no leaks
>>139024652
>Giorno has to activate GER first
GER exists outside of time.
>>139034682
I guess the anime overtook the manga. How bizarre. I suppose this is what happens when you have a monthly manga and a weekly anime.
>>139034704
eh, I'm not so sure.
If you go there AS a living person, sure, but if you go there as a dead person, you are normally not allowed to keep your physical body.
huh, now that could be an interesting twist.
just clone Goku's body and have shenlong put his soul in it.
Why are we arguing about this again? It's not like stands can operate in a DBZ world. It's also highly unlikely Goku would be hit by GER if they were.
And Goku's still definitely more powerful than GER.
Or are we using the "gimmicks = power" argument?
>>139034730
>leaking out
>>139034948
>And Goku's still definitely more powerful than GER.
Bruh
Come on.
GER's power is pretty much Giorno wins. I'm inclined to say that outside of shit like Umineko and SMT, GER is pretty much unstoppable, especially against traditional battle shonen characters. It's kind of made to beat down on shit like that.
>>139026568
That guy with the fishing rod from Vento Aureo could kill goku.
>>139035051
DIO Over Heaven is literally Araki being "How can I make a character that's more bullshit than Giorno?"
>>139032024
Power level in DBZ is not your ki capacity
it's your peak continual output. It's your running speed, if you will.
Individual moves (like a kame Hame ha, or a kaioken) can allow you to push past that for a moment, but that's why BP before super saiyan levels are so low, and also why humans and nameks can't keep up. They don't have a physical alteration transformation that allows their bodies to handle more of that high level possible.
The point of God Ki is that, since it's all internalized, no leaking out, it's not burning your body out. You don't push it out at high numbers for short periods of time (like SS3) instead it's compressed, high pressure.
it drastically increases your power level without needing a true physical transformation (God forms are ki transformations, not physical ones)
Basically, as the series went on, characters slowly unlocked more and more of their true power, letting their power level get closer to their peak power output. That's what mystic gohan was, that's what Kamicconail was, that's what Goku and Vegeta are training towards, and odds are, that's what they'll be by the end of it all.
Regular forms with the power of Gods, like Beerus, with no need for a "power up" move.
>>139022847
It's possible that Beerus can never reach Whis's level through training. After all, Whis is supposed to be some crazy other species. Wouldn't be surprised if he's like immortal and can do all kinds of other trippy shit.
>>139026737
>someone actually spent time making this
>>139035338
It was a lot of people, and that version is super outdated.
There are literally like 50 of these.
>>139035323
I bet Whis is the god of Balance
His job is to make sure the God of destruction doesn't outpace the gods of creation.
which is why he is so freakishly strong, and why he can rewind time just a bit.
if the god of destruction blows up one too many planets, he rewinds and knocks him out.
What would happen in Beerus trained for four months?
GER can reduce anything to a state of zero correct? So couldn't he reduce somebody's power or will to fight to Zero? Not sure how anyone could counter that.
>>139035417
nothing
Whis trained Beerus
so we can safely assume Beerus has trained to his peak.
>>139035417
It'd probably be what Goku did with the weights, except now they're four Suns on each of his limbs.
>>139035474
Peaks don't exist. Have you even read Dragon Ball?
>>139022197
Hello I'm OP, I suck dicks and somehow missed the fact that Toryiama and DB sucked for over half its run inbetween semen slurping sessions and now I'm surprised to find out Toryiama is still a senile incompetent old man.
>>139026737
>people actually being shocked by this
This fucking thing is posted all the time. What's so shocking about it?
Why are you bothered by autism in a fucking chinkamation thread?
>Oh good, a Dragon Ball thre---
>Power levels
See ya
You can't really compare the two series at all when it comes to scaling. In general dbz characters far outstrip anyone in the jojo universe in terms of raw power, speed, endurance, and experience. However several stands have abilites that render any difference in power useless with GER taking the cake.
Hell in terms of power even krillin could kill base giorno before giorno even realizes he's in danger but the way GER works makes that all pointless. It works outside time, without Giorno even being aware and erases any effect that would bring giorno harm. Even if the characters from dbz could dodge any of GER's punches they cannot see the stand and a single strike is an instant win for Giorno.
Best case scenario GER never lands a punch and Whis or whoever gets bored and leaves because they realize they cannot kill Giorno. Worst case scenario Giorno solos anyone in dbz and most of fiction's best period. Not even Superman in his infinite bullshit could touch Giorno.
>>139035460
Not exactly. Diavolo and Giorno's stands both revolve around warping cause and effect. GER can reduce to zero any action that would leave Giorno in some kind of worse shape regardless of what it is, but it couldn't reduce the stats of the person creating the cause.
>>139037529
The lengths to which Jojofags will extrapolate and fanwank is amazing.
>>139037529
>Krillin
>Faster than Gold Experience
>When most stands are hundreds of times faster than light
>>139026737
>phisical
it makes me very, very angry
>>139027767
>So how come Pucci was able to reset the world?
seriously? he even provided thsi picture for people who were too dense when jotaro yelled "HE'S SO FAST HE FORCES THE UNIVERSE TO MAKE A LOOP AFTER THE END OF TIMES"
> If Giorno was that strong, he could've just sent GER out to stop him
the whole speed thing took a few minutes at most, pucci is in the other side of the planet and he still had to beat him, which would be impossible with his stand
>>139035101
never played the game, what is his stand power in this form?
What the fuck is this thread
>>139039100
Jojobros schooling those dragonbabbies
>>139039229
>JoJofags who haven't watched or read Dragonball pretend their fanwank matters
Fixed that for you
>>139038690
You're applying a severe power creep on stands friend. Some stands can indeed go many times lightspeed with stairway to heaven being the fastest but that in no way means they can all go that speed. GER in no way has shown lightspeed movement, however it does not need to as its ability to revert any action to zero by warping realty supercedes the concept of speed.
>>139039401
>dragonfags who haven't watched or read Jojo pretend their fanwank matters
Fixed. No need to thank me
>>139039595
I see Jojofags who outright admit to not watching Dragonball, and people correcting the Jojofags fanwank and explaining that they're literally making shit up.
It's ok though, good effort for shitposting.
Could a Stand block Beerus' punches?
>>139040132
Hypothetically yes, but they can't do anything against an indirect attack. It's hard to say, not many people have punched stands.
>>139040132
>Stands can tank enough power and divine energy to crush universes
They simply don't exist on that scale
>>139038373
Quite the opposite anon. I've only been a fan of jojo for the better half of a decade while literally growing up with dbz before the anime hit the u.s thanks to some horrible games that made no sense but as a kid i loved anyway. If you had actually read my post instead of skimming to see GER wins and trying to bait me you'd have noticed that i considered the cast of dbz superior to the majority of jojo in combat. However there is no feat in db that comes close to the ability of GER. If Whis fires a ki blast that would in any way harm giorno GER shows up and resets the timestream so that the blast never happened. If whis reverses time and tries to throw a punch hat would obliterate Giorno's skull, again GER shows up and hits the reset button. The stand is so broken Giorno will never come to any harm as long as he possesses it. Even tripping and falling down stairs would cause GER to reset him back to the top unharmed to walk down normally.
This fact would normally make the battle end in a draw, unstoppable force meets unmovable object and all that, but GER's other ability renders the strength of his opponent worthless. His deathloop displaces you from time, shown when Diavolo tries to escape it with a power similar to Whis' time travel. To put it simply no matter what Whis does if GER lands a single blow on him, and keep in mind Whis cannot see GER, he would be stuck in a loop akin to experiencing himself getting decapitated, only to respwan just as his head begins to sever milliseconds before death for eternity
Is Pucci's 'Stairway to Heaven - Made in Heaven' the most powerful ability in all anime/manga? Not even meme characters like Beerus or Goku could beat him.
'Stairway to Heaven - Made in Heaven' accelerates the flow of time in the entire universe to the point that billions of years pass by in a few seconds. Living beings are unable to "catch up" to sped-up time, while the ability user gains infinite speed, able to be at any point in the universe instantaneously. While living beings do not age, inanimate matter is affected by the acceleration of time - buildings collapse instantaneously, food rots immediately, the geography of the Earth begins changing dramatically right in front of your eyes, to the point that all humans on Earth die once the sun goes red giant just a few moments into the time acceleration.
'Stairway to Heaven - Made in Heaven' will keep accelerating time until it reaches the end and vanishing point of the universe (the Big Crunch, or heat death), at which point a 'new world' will emerge, just a few minutes after activation. All the souls of people from the old universe will be relocated to this 'new world': however, in this 'new world', people are subject to live out the same events as in the old universe, because "Fate" cannot change. In other words, the ability user is now invincible: since no one in the old universe was able to defeat him, "Fate" will play out the same, and nobody in the 'new world' will be able to even stand up or defend from the ability-user, who is the only one exempt from "Fate".
Plus, 'Stairway to Heaven - Made in Heaven'
retains the ability to invert gravity in a 3km radius around itself.
>>139040531
Diavolo never used King Crimson under the death loop though.
>>139040531
>I didn't watch any of Super
We know. No amount of text will change that.
>>139040596
Pucci's still human though. Whis and Beerus, and a bunch of other DBZ characters can survive in space. Made in Heaven also doesn't seem like it'd be strong enough either, it's got a B ranking. Strong enough to kill humans and maybe some other species, but there's stronger opponents out there.
>>139040781
Pucci doesn't have to 'fight' head-on. Once he activates the acceleration, none of the DBZ characters can catch up to Pucci. He just has to wait a few minutes until the universe ends, and everyone except him dies. Then, once the 'new world' is created, no one can ever beat him, since 'fate' must repeat.
>>139040918
>Trying to beat an eternal god that governs the universe by running out the clock
Good luck with that.
>>139040918
But the spirits and memories still move to the rebirth of the universe, and given the nature of Beerus and Whis, I don't think a supernova is a big deal to them.
Even then, Pucci's still dealing with a threat that can destroy the universe or travel to a different one if they wanted, so there's not much that he can do.
At best, a stalemate. Goku and the like, probably won't make it, but anything beyond that, they'll be fine.
I've finished Majin Buu Saga. Where do I go from here? Should I even bother with movies and GT?
>>139041158
Movies for shits and giggles if you want, but don't ever touch GT. Super is next in canon.
>>139041158
I found this list. Try going with that.
>>139041079
Beerus can only destroy: the Kais are the ones tasked with creation. Beerus does not in any sense 'govern' the universe, and would not be able to prevent the complete destruction of the universe.
>>139041089
>But the spirits and memories still move to the rebirth of the universe
Indeed. But see, Fate works differently in JoJo. Because Beerus/Whis did not defeat Pucci in the old universe, then Fate will repeat, and Beerus/Whis will be unable to defeat Pucci, or even to lift a hand against him. It's like being trapped in your own body: wanting to attack Pucci, but being unable to.
>supernova
Heat Death/Big Crunch are on a scale that makes a supernova look weak. We're talking about the end of the universe, and the trillions of galaxies and countless starts.
I kind of forgot, but wasn't Pucci supposed to control how the new universe was going to be with his ultimate stand and the universe only returned to something similar to what it used to be because he was killed before he could shape it?
All this thread is proving to me is that powerlevel fags are cancer
>>139041158
I liked GT. I like how it actually feels like time has 'progressed' (grown up Trunks and Goten, old Krillin, etc.). I recommend it, since it goes back to the origins in Dragon Ball. Plus great fights and good animation.
>>139041278
Whis, you idiot.
And Bills tanked blows that could end the universe. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>139041210
>Tarble asks to stop Avo & Cado
I just realized that I've watched at least 400 (including DB) episodes of this shit.
>>139041284
Yes. Once Pucci destroys the old world, he can re-create the universe according to what he wants. However, he was killed before he could achieve this (it was implied he would have brought back his sister back to life as well as his boyfriend, DIO).
