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>>138931500
>Dekinai Japanese Thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Always work hard. Intensity clarifies. It creates not only momentum, but also the pressure you need to feel either friction, or fulfilment.
I'm a girl btw
>>138964168
stop
Has anyone ever read the Yosuga no Sora VN? How hard would it be on the difficulty rating from 1 to 5?
>>138964168
>>138964204
No one has ever read Yosuga no Sora. You'll be the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
>>138964305
Is this the start of an epic new meme?
I'm downloading Hanabira,what should i expect?
>>138964498
Being bored to death.
>>138964498
An extremely boring snoozefest.
>>138964477
>new
>>138964143
This doujin was fuckin dissapointing
>>138964551
>>138964553
Are there any beginner VNs that are not boring?
>>138964574
Don't listen to them, as long as you're a patrician who likes superior yuri, it's great
>>138964574
My personal favourite is Ikikoi.
>>138964568
Your taste is disappointing.
>>138964574
Dominance
>tfw you realize you're just as bad at discriminating between politeness registers in english as you are in japanese
今日、あたしのめんこい猫は北海道発を学んだわ。
猫や鰐や蟹はなまら格好いいしょや？
when does anki stop?
>>138964712
when you're dead
>>138964305
I can't speak Japanese but I saved this image to my reaction image folder cause I think it's cute despite not knowing what she's saying.
So I just read all of this http://exhentai.org/g/896565/2f90ab7f38/ and understood all of it aside from one thing on page 11 (pic related) I'm slightly confused about.
>ほんとうはココアさんの特別な妹じゃなきゃ嫌なんです
"The truth is if it's not possible for me to be your special imouto I hate it" or something like that, anyway that one is OK no problem but the next one :
>妹のままじゃ嫌なんです
I'm not sure to get the meaning she wanted to convey. I'm confused about the 妹のままじゃ, like, what is the じゃ doing here alone like that?
Context for those too lazy to read the whole thing : she's jealous of the fact that Cocoa has other imoutos aside from her, little girl problems, etc.
>>138964678
さすがブログーポスタくん
>>138964740
Interesting, keep me updated.
p.s. she's saying kill yourself dumb faggot
>>138964574
Daitoshokan
おにいちゃん
さくらのきのしたで
まってるよ
はやくあいたい
>>138964743
the fuck did you just say about me?
>>138964781
ありがと
What does 'オ夕力ラ' mean? It makes absolutely zero sense to me.
>>138964740
I'll do my best today too.
>>138964712
Make your daily offerings to the Anki gods and it's said one day the great Dekinai will descend from the sora and lead you up Mount Stupid
>>138964910
Where did you see it? Give context
>>138964742
Isn't that just じゃあ?
>>138964876
お願い、これ>>138964742 を見て助けてくれ。
それ、
>妹のままじゃ嫌なんです
なんの意味ですか？どうして”じゃ”がここにある？おしえてください。英語も日本語でいい。
>>138964975
Doubt it, it would be incredibly odd.
>>138964956
There is a Tower called 'God's Tower'. And at the bottom of it any wish comes true. Afterwards this follows up in brackets. Literally nothing happens beforehand as this is the beginning of the text.
>>138964910
Is it perhaps supposed to be オタカラ?
>>138964742
If I can't be special to Cocoa, I hate it.
I don't want to just be a sister.
>>138965055
Goddamn it. Thank you.
>>138965059
I'm not asking for a translation, I just want to understand why it's written like this.
>>138965099
>OCRfags
>wondering why there's a kanji in the middle of a bunch of katakana
>forced to watch M*A*S*H* (the movie) in lit class
>it's pretty stupid
>sometimes Japanese songs come on so that's nice to listen to
>get to the part where they go to Japan
>they're just speaking gibberish and passing it off as Japanese
>hai hai shakuwaka mai marablasdflkjh ikimashuu
>mfw
20min to do my reps because it resets. What should I do? I can't change the time because it's going to be midnight in an hour so if I do that it'll skip a day since anki is retarded.
And no I can't do my reps properly in 20min.
>>138965024
しゃべりことばだよ。幼児語にちかいかんじ
大人語の、かきことばならよめるとおもうよ
>あんたじゃや
>あなたでは不満です
>それじゃや
>それでは不満です
嫌とはいっているけど、幼児語の「や」にhateの意味は含まれないよ
>>138964742
妹のままでは嫌なんです。
>>138965131
>>138965131
簡単なのじゃ
手前は馬鹿じゃぞ
>>138965131
And I figured it'd be easy enough to work backwards from that. じゃ is just doing what it always does. If I'm just/still a sister, THEN I hate it.
>>138964574
Clockwork Leyline
>>138965197
Who are you quoting?
>>138965205
Disable lapses and spend 1 sec on each card.
>>138965205
Apparently Anki resets around 3AM or so, just do your reps even if that's not true.
>>138965197
>watching movies in lit class
What?
>>138965578
It was based on a book so it's okay I guess. We're using it to talk about post-modernism. Can't say I'm thrilled.
I don't suppose there's a way for ITA/TA to import into Anki?
Will I just have to save a list of words and import them with Rikaisama?
>trying to find a VN on AB because dead Nyaa
>AB's search engine is complete shit
God damn.
>forgot to sync anki before going home
Can any Kanji with the 「わ」reading be used as the topic marker? Or is the usage of 「は」mandatory?
Like 和 or 話 etc.
>>138965214
>あんたじゃや
>それじゃや
あぁ、そうか。確かにそれアニメとかでよく聞いた。ありがとう。
>>138965222
>>138965238
>>138965249
>じゃ is just doing what it always does. If I'm just/still a sister, THEN I hate it.
I got it now. Thanks.
>>138964697
北海道の猫は日話以以。
>>138966041
Nyaa is working for me. May I help you?
>>138966167
No, you should instead use kanji that read as は, like 派 or 破, and read them as わ.
>>138966167
Okay this one is great.
>>138966221
Oops, meant that the torrent's dead on Nyaa.
>>138964574
sharnoth
>>138966263
Okay, is there a list of Kanji I may use for this kind of literary/stylistic purpose? I'm planning to write a book in Nihongo and this kind of information is very interesting to me.
>>138966041
>>138966317
no one gives a fuck about your quest to steal hentai porno games dude. eat shit
Why are doujins that are translated into English always written with all caps? Is everyone going to hate me if I translate shit the normal way with mostly lower case?
>>138966359
題名は「俺輪にっぽん」
>>138966178
やーなのーやーなのー
>>138966466
私葉わからぬよ。
>>138966429
have you ever looked at a western comic book
>>138966549
Not really
>>138966510
苛めないでくれ。
>>138966466
Pretty sure there's no scans of it and the only copy accessible to people outside of Emperor's family is in 東京大学附属図書館
>DJT reading list is always dead
What compelling content are you guys reading?
>>138966636
>>DJT reading list is always dead
What? It's working perfectly fine for me.
>>138966636
It's very much alive, though.
Reading konosuba, it's way too easy and doesn't fill my mining deck as fast as I would want but it's very compelling.
if it's not too much trouble, could you list me a few ichidan / group 1 verbs?
the text I'm reading is emphasizing on group 2 / godan verbs big time and not much on the group 1
which group is easier to conjugate?
>>138966636
>>138966681
You're reading it with scans?
>>138966678
I mean in that I don't see it updated often. I check it like once a week.
What did the father say to his homo son when picking him up and dropping him off from the airport?
"You're 送迎."
>>138966636
I'm reading hatsukoi 1/1.
>>138966718
No, there's epub version in the CoR.
>>138966742
I've been updating all the descriptions though, that's quite a big job to do if you ask me. As for the updates on the reading list itself, I've tried to promote it but nobody really seems to actually care enough to contribute so, yeah.
>start learning japanese
>stick at it for a good while
>feels good, get through a lot of vocab
>go on holiday for two weeks
>no time for reps
>they pile up
>too hard to catch up, give up
>months later I try again
>lose interest fast
>reset the deck and started again today
This time I swear I'll stick at it!
>>138966813
I see, thanks. What do you use to read the ePUB files though? A Firefox add-on?
>>138966636
ハルチカ 空想オルガン
>>138966858
epubs are just zips with metadata. You can convert it to a .txt or .html or something with calibre, or you can extract the html files and read it in your browser, or hell, you can even read epubs with SumatraPDF.
>>138966858
Rename them into rar and extract them, then open the .html with Firefox and read with Rikai.
I didn't know either and DJT told me so I'm passing it forward.
>>138966846
>holiday for two weeks
>no time for reps
How does that work?
>>138966894
>>138966899
Damn, thank you guys, you're really making my day.
>>138966911
holiday meaning seaside holiday with my family, not sitting around browsing 4chan holiday
>>138966944
And? Just bring your phone/computer with you. What a fucking loser. できない
>>138966944
What about using your phone?
>>138966944
Nigga, I've been on 2 week vacation to glorious Nippon and despite all the cool shit waiting for me there still found 30 minutes a day for my reps. You have no excuse.
>>138966899
>>138966929
Also make sure to change the font in your settings to one you like (aka メイリオ for both serif and sans serif). I only had it on sans serif and not serif so コノスバ looked like shit. You'll also want to zoom in probably.
>>138966980
>>138966985
Didn't have a smart phone nor a laptop
>>138966986
>30 minutes a day for my reps
This I never understood. You fucks are always so much faster with reps then I am. I had it set to 50 new cards a day and I spent at the 2 hours on Anki daily, if I was lucky I'd have a spell where I could actually remember shit and It would only take me 1 and a half hours.
How do you guys get through your reps so fast? I have to repeat most cards 4-5 times before they sink in unless they are really simple shit.
>>138966813
I don't see it in CoR.
>>138966696
heres some verbs. i dont like tipping people off when i make a joke but these are arranged in a meaningful way
得る
考える
出せる
i dont know what a group is i dont do groups
conjugation isnt a skill so asking for its difficulty is fruitless
>>138967150
I found it in exactly two minutes. I'm sure you can do that too, anon.
Are the Final Fantasy games difficult to read? Specifically the SNES and PS1-era games.
>>138967192
Well I tried searching for 祝福 and it had 0 results.
>>138966696
>if it's not too much trouble, could you list me a few ichidan / group 1 verbs?
下一段活用
http://www.weblio.jp/parts-of-speech/%E4%B8%8B%E4%B8%80%E6%AE%B5%E6%B4%BB%E7%94%A8_1
上一段活用
http://www.weblio.jp/parts-of-speech/%E4%B8%8A%E4%B8%80%E6%AE%B5%E6%B4%BB%E7%94%A8_1
Click on 段活用の一覧 for a larger list in each category.
>>138966742
That's because aside from a cor-kun and a few random anons every now and then, no one else contributes to anything pertaining to the thread aside memes and shitposting.
>>138966826
>that's quite a big job to do if you ask me.
I'm sure copy and paste is exhausting. It's a little wonder there has been almost no improvement since cor-kun fucked off.
>>138967150
Bottom left of your screen, you can swap charts. You're probably on the manga one right now.
>>138967292
Oh I see thanks.
>>138967289
>I'm sure copy and paste is exhausting. It's a little wonder there has been almost no improvement since cor-kun fucked off.
Still better than doing nothing and complaining, eh?
>>138967169
>conjugation isnt a skill
It is, you know just don't understand it and are reacting like any Neanderthal would to something they don't understand.
>>138967357
I've done more than you anon.
You are nothing but a mediocre prick and a fucking joke.
>>138967361
sorry would you like me to explain the skill required to breathe also
No one in the world actually knows Japanese. It is a giant meme.
Did anyone ever end up using >>135232269? 20 hours of audiobooks and shit synced with HTML files.
https://mega.nz/#!1Q0BlKCS!-fBGipyIBgIeAHH-NYxN9U9-HZduTXlo4Drn3NpDbiM
>>138967399
>I've done more than you anon.
This claim is rather meaningless in an anonymous imageboard.
>You are nothing but a mediocre prick and a fucking joke.
Sure anon, vent your anger all you want. It won't change anything though. It's not my fault people don't care about the reading list. I won't add stuff I haven't read just because nobody else does it.
How difficult is your average jar pig?
>>138967566
読書リストに俺の玉も付けろ
>>138967520
I fucking knew it. Ever seen a Japanese person irl? Me neither.
>>138967635
I played a bit of dq9 and it wasn't particularly difficult to be honest
>>138967520
Then I shall be the one who will come as close as it can be to knowing Japanese.
>>138966846
>quitting at 4000 mature
You almost made it senpai.
desu I never thought the reading list was a great idea and at least for VNs I don't think it contributes anything more useful than the recommendation images we already have do. Better just to create an "easy ln" and "easy manga" recommendation image and call it a day.
Trying to classify everything by difficulty is arbitrary and pointless.
>>138967549
No but thanks for the link.
>>138967828
It makes it even more sickening climbing back up because I got so damn far
>>138967844
>putting desu at the start of your sentence
You're never gonna make it senpai
>>138967844
people already tried this and it ends up with people being told to read yotsubato and hanahira which then leads to suicide in 6 out of 9 users
i think the easy reading list should just consist of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15tUzlriGDI
>>138967926
>being this much of a newfagit's ok, i know your joking
>>138967926
baka desu senpai
>>138967844
I always thought it would be cool if there were links to pastebins of japanese text copied down from manga, so we could use rikaichan on it.
But I guess that's neither here nor there.
>>138967937
The recommendation image for VNs has more than just hanahira. It even has a couple things that are genuinely decent like Eustia.
Ika musume would be an obvious addition to manga. And I'm sure manga experts can think of more.
>>138967635
Pokemon and other baby games like Yokai Watch are baby easy, Final Fantasies and the like are on the level of a shitty LN, megaten is a bit harder.
The only hard to read JRPGs are the ones made by eroge developers, like Utawarerumono.
>>138967844
I think the idea was more for anons that have finished reading something to write in the list how difficult they would rate the VN/Manga/whatever, not necessarily to classify everything.
俺はhomoだ。これから親友のTomにput it in.
>>138968017
Is fire emblem babby tier
>>138968045
おれにいれてください
>>138968018
And it will be wildly inconsistent because people have different standards of difficulty. It's hard even to rate difficulty consistently with yourself, because as you read more you get better at japanese and things seem easier.
And my point is that having difficulty ratings for a ton of stuff is pointless, because what beginners need is just to be spoonfed a small list of easy stuff to start out with. If you aren't a beginner you should just be reading whatever the fuck you want anyway, and should be able to judge for yourself how hard things are.
>>138967844
The thing with those "Easy VN" recommendations is, VNs are way too fucking long. By the time you finish a mid sized VN you might go from total shitter to a decent reader, totally forget how you struggled in the beginning and think "oh shit, that was easy despite being my first VN, gotta recommend it to anyone".
I need a VN that is interesting. These fucking cute girl novels are putting me to sleep.
>trying to play pokemon in japanese
I thought I was ready
I was wrong
>>138968054
Yeah.
>>138968150
> If you aren't a beginner you should just be reading whatever the fuck you want anyway, and should be able to judge for yourself how hard things are.
I agree, but I don't think anyone's ever made rec charts for beginner games, books, etc. What's on the spreadsheet is a good place to start, I guess, but anything that isn't a VN probably also doesn't work with a text hooker (and/or the resolution is so shitty that you can't make out what's being said).
>>138968150
Fair point, I guess.
>>138968212
ディエス・イレ is super interesting.
>>138968217
Aside from Black & White and XY you shouldn't waste your time with all the previous games as they don't have Kanji or too little of them to be of any use. Games in Hiragana are as such because they're originally aimed at Japanese kids, not Japanese learners.
たこballたべたい
>二股かける
I love this language.
>>138968212
swan song
>>138968265
yeah its pretty good as a buttwipe
>>138968282
or, you know, technical limitations
>>138968282
>Games in Hiragana are as such because they're originally aimed at Japanese kids, not Japanese learners.
Not necessarily. It's usually because they couldn't use kanji because of the resolution. B&W and XY haven't suddenly started getting serious and for adults you know.
>>138968235
>beginner games
Not feasible because no texthook
>books
Any LN readable in browser with rikai, except maybe stuff like Jintai and Bakemonogatari.
You'll stop being a beginner pretty fast as long as you keep reading something, so what's even the point.
吾輩は猫である。名前はまだ無い。
突然猫小便の匂いがする
>>138968596
ああ、こんいちわ
Is root double easy?
>>138968746
×こんいちわ
○こんにちわ
>>138968763
if youre asking that question then i think the answer is "youre gonna learn a shitload of words you didnt know before and its going to take you 300 hours to read it and maybe youll understand roughly what happens overall"
>>138968829
ありがと小便さん
>>138968831
that doesn't sound easy
I'm about to start going through the Core 2k/6k optimized deck, though I'm wondering if it's okay that my eyes usually gloss over the kanji of vocabulary I don't know and just read the kana in the sentence?
I figure most of the words/kanji that are unfamiliar at first will be introduced later, so this is probably a stupid question.
ゲイ代わりに給与が欲しい。
>>138968906
Learning Japanese isn't easy.
>>138968416
>>138968419
Right I formulated this wrongly.
All I meant for anon is that reading only Hiragana games to us is really frustrating and not worth it as oppose to Japanese who wouldn't have a hard time reading those, thus anon should look into BW and XY or other games that aren't only riddled with Kana.
>>138967926
Your new is showing.
ルイズ！ルイズ！ルイズ！ルイズぅぅうううわぁああああああああああああああああああああああん！！！
あぁああああ…ああ…あっあっー！あぁああああああ！！！ルイズルイズルイズぅううぁわぁああああ！！！
あぁクンカクンカ！クンカクンカ！スーハースーハー！スーハースーハー！いい匂いだなぁ…くんくん
んはぁっ！ルイズ・フランソワーズたんの桃色ブロンドの髪をクンカクンカしたいお！クンカクンカ！あぁあ！！
間違えた！モフモフしたいお！モフモフ！モフモフ！髪髪モフモフ！カリカリモフモフ…きゅんきゅんきゅい！！
小説11巻のルイズたんかわいかったよぅ！！あぁぁああ…あああ…あっあぁああああ！！ふぁぁあああんんっ！！
アニメ2期決まって良かったねルイズたん！あぁあああああ！かわいい！ルイズたん！かわいい！あっああぁああ！
コミック2巻も発売されて嬉し…いやぁああああああ！！！にゃああああああああん！！ぎゃああああああああ！！
ぐあああああああああああ！！！コミックなんて現実じゃない！！！！あ…小説もアニメもよく考えたら…
ル イ ズ ち ゃ ん は 現実 じ ゃ な い？にゃあああああああああああああん！！うぁああああああああああ！！
そんなぁああああああ！！いやぁぁぁあああああああああ！！はぁああああああん！！ハルケギニアぁああああ！！
この！ちきしょー！やめてやる！！現実なんかやめ…て…え！？見…てる？表紙絵のルイズちゃんが僕を見てる？
表紙絵のルイズちゃんが僕を見てるぞ！ルイズちゃんが僕を見てるぞ！挿絵のルイズちゃんが僕を見てるぞ！！
アニメのルイズちゃんが僕に話しかけてるぞ！！！よかった…世の中まだまだ捨てたモンじゃないんだねっ！
いやっほぉおおおおおおお！！！僕にはルイズちゃんがいる！！やったよケティ！！ひとりでできるもん！！！
あ、コミックのルイズちゃああああああああああああああん！！いやぁあああああああああああああああ！！！！
あっあんああっああんあアン様ぁあ！！セ、セイバー！！シャナぁああああああ！！！ヴィルヘルミナぁあああ！！
ううっうぅうう！！俺の想いよルイズへ届け！！ハルケギニアのルイズへ届け！
>>138966846
>reset the deck
You fucked up. Have fun not learning japanese.
ねえおふろはいろ、おにいちゃん
いや？
いいからはいれ。
>>138969054
Is that from ZnT?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NHKEasyNews/comments/4bgj3o/03222016_%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%94%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%81%8C%E5%B0%8F%E8%AA%AC%E3%82%92%E6%9B%B8%E3%81%8F/
約１５０人の専門家のグループは、４年前から人工知能を使って小説を書く研究をしています
Is it saying the research team started 4 years ago researching AI and researching novel writing.
OR
Started researching using AI to write novel.
The subject is the research group, and the -te form would indicate that the two verbs are two seperate actions (if it were a verb modifying a noun it would be 使う)??
>>138969081
そうするなら、あなたのおっぱいを触れる？
>>138969054
長すぎだから出来ないです
>>138969081
はいろ?
>読み続けます
おお─
>>138969155
火葬場へお前
>>138969147
>Started researching using AI to write novel.
Yes
>(if it were a verb modifying a noun it would be 使う)??
Uhm, yes. But I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. 人工知能を使って小説を書く modifies 研究, basically.
>>138969338
Shoulden't it be
人工知能を使う小説を書く
>>138969155
>>138969219
歯も磨いてね、おにいちゃん
いや？
いいから磨け。いますぐに
>roleplaying and avatarfagging
Why the fuck don't the mods ever do anything about this shit?
>>138969510
ありがとー、いもうと
>>138969510
ぼくがきみの歯をみがいてあげるよ
え？違うところもみがいてほしいのかい？
仕方ないにゃぁ～
>>138969560
>4CHAN IS MY WHOLE LIFE I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED AND EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER /a/ PLEASE MODS DO SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE HAVING PLEASANT CHATS THIS CAN'T GO ON LIKE THIS ANYMORE I CAN'T TAKE IT HELP
>>138969560
hopefully theyll be doing something about you momentarily, クソ坊や
>>138969470
No. That means something else. 人工知能を使って connects to 書く and indicates how the writing is performed. "By using AI"
>>138969510
でかい
>>138969697
Oh lord
>>138969725
ねえお姉ちゃん、なぜ暴れるの
>>138969696
so did the researchers research how to write novels
OR did they research ais, which wrote novels.
>>138968950
You don't really need to read the example sentences (except the English translations to clarify the meaning sometimes).
>>138968950
>>138970671
I'd argue trying to understand the example sentences/how they are constructed is a good way to solidify some of the grammar you are learning early on, but yeah that other anon is correct it's not actually important that you can read the sentences.
>>138968950
Focus on how Kanji are read and how they form words, try to notice patterns and shits. Trust me that's almost all that matters with core. Read / listen to each example sentence at least once but that's it, focus on the words that's showed to you before anything else.
>>138969889
ヒロシマとナガサキを火垂るの墓にしたからだよ
Have you ever had a dream in Japanese
痩せる
瘦せる
瘠せる
Literally indistinguishable
>>138971189
できない。
>>138971251
What is he doing with this poor bird?! 何をする＞？！？！
>>138971186
No, but I had a 日本「にっぽん」の猫「ねく」 come up to me and start 強姦する-ing me into the 尻の穴。悲しいね。
Is it bad to read something in Japanese if I have already read it in English, even if i haven't read it in a while? I know the story well but I don't remember it word-for-word.
>>138971189
They all mean the same shit anyway.
>このピザはお好み焼きみたいじゃない？
>Doesn't this pizza looks like okonomiyaki?
Tae Kim in charge of grammar.
>>138971689
Even if you know it word for word it doesn't matter since you will be reading in Japanese.
>>138971689
No, comprehensible input is good.
吾輩羽格好イイねく蛇内で酢川。
>>138971729
what's the problem?
>>138971849
ESL detected.
>>138971849
The problem isn't with the Japanese, it's the 'looks'.
>>138972063
Oh.
>>138972024
Didn't even notice it before this post.
What does "Baka ni shinaide kureru" mean when followed by "!?" as the punctuation? The sentence doesn't seem like a question (rather, it seems like an order), but it has a question mark. How would this be translated?
>>138972551
>バカにしないでくれる！？
馬鹿
>勿論
i can't stop translating back to english in my head
i'm fucking PISSED my man
>>138972602
Meaning mate? Is it a question or a statement or an order?
>>138972551
>You won't make fun of me (as a favor to me)!?
or something
It's not a command, they're giving the speaker the gift of バカにしないing
>>138972701
成程ね～
でも可笑しくないよ
>>138972706
youre not supposed to do that?
Are there any subs that are tailored towards learning Japanese by listening naturally, e.g. keeping some words in Japanese and preserving as much of the word order as possible? Perhaps have a few "levels" of tracks, where when you get more than comfortable in the track you're currently on, you can switch to the next one for something more challenging?
>>138972762
kek
>>138972708
バカにする+ないで+くれる
>>138972708
ローマ字を使わないでくれ
>>138972706
Having a similar problem. I feel like I'm understanding the general situation/context in english but not understanding the actual kanji as I read them.
>>138972813
This is you
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3cylau/the_little_prince_gradually_transitioning_into/
And no, there aren't.
>>138972989
Is there a problem with this idea, or is more traditional learning methods just better?
>>138972706
Languagefag here, that's normal since your brain is still not used to information coming from that language. It'll go away in time.
>>138973037
Japanese grammar and word usage is significantly different from english's. You can't simply swap out words one by one and end up with a japanese sentence.
![Memrise_Logo1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/4VvQ4MJ.png "Memrise_Logo1[1].png")
Has anyone here tried Memrise for vocab?
>>138972762
It is not this.
>>138972834
>バカにする+ないで+くれる
That structure is not a question, but it is followed by a question mark. So what does it mean? Is it a question or not?
>>138972845
Ok. Then I'll repeat: What does "バカにしないでくれる" mean when followed by "!?" as the punctuation? The sentence doesn't seem like a question (rather, it seems like an order), but it has a question mark. How would this be translated?
>>138973075
Yes, I know. I could gather mostly what it meant if it was presented similar to e.g. "Yui は Akari の dog が likes", where it doesn't even try to match English grammar but still be legible and useful if you understand already some basic grammar rules and structure
>>138973203
>That structure is not a question
You sure, anon?
>>138973242
>likes
For a better parsing, an adjective like "beloved" is better, since 好き really is an adjective.
>>138973203
>Could you not take me for an idiot!?
>Could you not make a fool of me!?
>>138973252
It sounds to me like "Don't make fun of me", but the question mark is throwing me off. Am I mistaken?
>>138973303
I knew that but only caught myself after posting it. You get what I mean thought right? Not subs built for normal watching but geared towards learning
>>138973334
Not all the words, but just to help with understanding the syntax and grammar better, while being able to pick up vocab from the words being spoken.
>>138973335
>>138973380
Additionally, what you're saying would be バカにしないでくれ.
A question to people who have read the bakemonogatari books, how would you rate them in terms of difficulty?
>>138972809
at first i suppose there's not much of a choice. but think about it this way. when you hear or read or absorb anything in your native language, you just "get it". the meaning comes with the words. the instant you receive them, they signify their proper concepts in your mind.
what i mean however, is that when i'm watching or reading something in japanese, the words don't yet signify the concepts they're supposed to entirely. instead, they signify english words to me. so instead of signifying their concept, they signify another signifier, if that makes sense.
>>138973066
thanks for the reassurance.
>>138973424
I asked the same question about two threads ago. The grammar is difficult, the vocabulary is relatively easy in comparison. Also, the wordplay is insane. You might be able to understand it even if you're somewhat of a beginner, but you won't get all the subtleties.
>>138973304
This seems right. Can anyone else vouch for this?
>>138973334
>confirming whether the person really バカにしないでくれる
But isn't バカにしないでくれる a "stop it" order? If it was バカにしてくれる , I could see it as "Are you making fun of me!?", but with しないで, I don't see how that can be.
>>138973545
>This seems right. Can anyone else vouch for this?
I already did and replied to your other question >>138973422.
>>138973624
Was not sure if that was just the same person adding a comment to the previous post.
>>138973647
>ないで is only a request if ください is attached or implied.
I thought it was since I consider くれ(る) as a downgraded version of ください.
>ばかにしないでくれる is just a negative of ばかにしてくれる: You aren't making fun of me!?
Doesn't this give the implication that the speaker doesn't think the other person is making fun of them? Because in the context, the person is assuming they are being made fun of, which is why they spoke.
> It's no good for your learning if you just insist to people telling you the answer they're wrong, you know.
I know, but I did not do that, so I don't know why you are mentioning that. Indication confusion for a response is not an "instance to people telling you the answer they're wrong" as you are claiming.
Does a JtMW deck exist?
>>138973304
Thank you for the response here.
>>138973800
>I thought it was since I consider くれ(る) as a downgraded version of ください.
Honestly, you should stop 'considering' things. It's not as simple as that. What did you read? TK? JtMW?
>>138973800
I think the best advice for you is just to read more
And don't ever use romaji again
Is this Chinese?
>>138973901
You're welcome. You really should take some of the others' advice and look further into grammar though. This is a really simple sentence.
Start with
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/requests
>>138973971
No, that's a picture.
>>138972551
Could you not make fun of me!?
>>138973981
>>138974063
And is that the Kanjis or Hanzis in the picture?
>>138973923
>What did you read? TK? JtMW?
Random manga, genki + tobira
>>138973937
>I think the best advice for you is just to read more
I am, then I encountered a confusing sentence, then I asked for help, and I got some, along with someone telling me I should read more. if you mean "grammar books" by "read", then yes, I should do more I suppose.
> And don't ever use romaji again
I did not know that it was such a taboo thing do here.
>>138974029
I know everything on that page. Notice that it does not cover しないで＋+くれる (くれ is different a bit, and anyways, that pages doesn't tell you how to interpret if it is followed by a question mark)
>>138974196
>Kanjis
>Hanzis
Clearly, it must be some kind of color but I'm not sure.
>>138974064
Thank you, this seems in line with >>138973304
>>138974241
>genki
well meme'd
