Why are selfinsert reincarnation stories so popular in japan? Especially LN's seem to suffer from a ton of those.
they are only popular in japanese webnovels
it's Japan's buddhist roots that made he concept of reincarnation popular, but the genre is only exclusive to webnovels and LNs and manga based on said webnovels
konosuba is the only anime with a reincarnation premise (and even then it's mostly a transport to another world type of story).
>>138952932
>they are only popular in japanese webnovels
I can assure you, they exist and thrive in some niches in the west too.
A couple of them were successful and as any other fad, that led to lots of other stories of the same ilk. They're also an easy way to create a fantasy setting while having some connections to the modern era, and they also give plenty of opportunity for wish fulfillment. It's a genre with a pretty broad net that can snag people of various interests. It's basically a variant of trapped in a game with some other nuance. I'm sure in a few years it will die down once the next exploitable thing comes along.
>>138952932
so yeah no wonder they read like fanfiction, they come from the same source (the internet)
though if you want a country where selfinsert reincarnation is actually I thing, look no further than China
>average Chinese person goes to other world
>other world is completely survival of the fittest and everyone is a martial arts warrior or demigod
>MC begins cultivating and slaughtering his enemies as if he was a native there
pretty much the opposite extreme from your Japanese "just want to be normu!" protag
There's a website called "let's become a novelist" or something in Japan which is essentially like deviantart but for lightnovels. And in that website pretty much every popular series is a reincarnation thing, because teenagers like it I guess.
>>138953177
I mean think about it. If you had a chance to relive your life, with all of your previous memories, in a world filled with magic and monster girls, would you?
>>138953174
you know now I want a series where Jackie Chan is reincarnated into a Xianxia world.
Which stories from that genre did you like?
I personally enjoyed Overlord and Kumo Desu Ga.
Re:Monster is like a less well written version of Kumo Desu Ga, it's rather boring.
to Japan Re:monster is probably just an amateur webnovel that got published by a small webmanga publisher and equally small LN publisher
but to /a/ it's the first of it's genre we read so it has more of an impact on /a/ than Japan.
>>138953459
It get's overly descriptive, it feels like i'm truly reading a novel in image from
>>138953538
for me it was a good gateway to reading LNs
manga read like a novel
novel read like an RPG log
only thing that got me to drop it was when MC's OP bullshit got bland and tiring.
I think it's because it's convenient. They can create and develop their fantasy world from scratch and they don't have to rely too much on the cliche of the protag being born a genius since he has his past life experience. It's becoming overused though and the beginning is repetitive, most of them are shit, stuff like Re Monster especially. So far, the only really good one is Mushoku Tensei. I heard good things about Kumo whatever but I am not interested right now, Re Monster had hype and yet it's shitty.
It's not the concept that's the problem it's the fact that all of them was written on the web, and as you know any internet made content has little to no quality control. Hell looking at Deviantart and fanfiction it's a wonder it didn't turn out worse.
but if there was more reincarnation series with writing like Mushoku Tensei and Spirit Circle you wouldn't find people complaining as much.
>>138953646
>the only really good one is Mushoku Tensei
Hardly. It's merely decent.
>>138953901
I don't know I think it's quite above decent
but even decent is star quality among its peers
>>138952709
I thinks it's the same reason why Zombie Apocalypse are so popular in the West. It's sort of Escapism where the current rule and structure are gone.
Merrika just like their new world with more gun and chaotic. While Jap likes their world with harem and vidya system.
>>138953326
Is she going to become a sexy Arachne at max level?
>>138954031yesfor like 5 chapters then she ascends to godhood
>>138953248
Sure. Heck, I would do that even as an adult, which I physically am.
>>138953972
I'd take fighting different varieties of creatures with OP powers and a group of girls wanting my penis to a being cooped up in an old broken down building with a bunch of asshats surrounded by the same generic monsters and most of civilization gone.
seriously I still don't understand the point of zombie apocalypse
>>138954095
Goody!
>>138953646
Is the Mushoku Tensei manga any good or should i go straight for the WN?
Is it translated too?
>>138954474Even in god form there are still people above her in power level. Another thing that makes it better than Re:Monster is that it focuses on more than just her and is decent at character building.
>>138954530Sounds like Overlord with the Overlord starting at lvl 1 instead of starting out maxed
>>138954650
The one downside is that the early chapters are machine translated, so it depends on if you can put up with that
>>138954879
I'm rather enjoying it right now. The context makes it fun to read despite the horribad translation!
>>138953901
Which ones do you find good?
>>138954497
I decided not to read the manga because I hate the art. The novel is translated, it's better to read it.
>>138952709
Because otaku are even bigger losers than us. They love to self insert and are way more sensitive about their waifus.
>>138955163
>than us
Don't put me in the basket as you, loser.
>>138955146
Downloaded the first few volumes as epub for now, time to charge my kindle again.
Okay let's highjack this and make it a LN/WN thread.
>tfw you'll never be a weapons shop uncle
>>138953326
The one where the company middle manager gets reincarnated as a slime and the first "person" he encounters is a legendary dragon sealed by a hero.
>>138955307
That's a cute oni
>>138953174
I hate when the character has never even fought before and everybody fails to kill him for whatever reason.
Again!! and Ore ga Doutei wo Sutetara Shinu Ken ni Tsuite are fairly good
a lot of the rest are shit
>drawing her in pink just to make her look cute
>barely even looks like a spider, her aditional eyes look like a nose thanks to the shitty art
>>138955490
>high school drama shit
>good
Saike Mata Shite mo blows them both out of the water.
>>138953326
Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo Dorei Majutsu is my guilty pleasure. I know it's trash but it's pretty funny too.
Basically this NEET guy is summoned as his MMO character yadda yadda yadda you know the drill. But the kicker is that he's forgotten how to talk to girls so the only option he can see is to roleplay as his demon lord persona from the game. It results in some pretty hilarious misunderstandings.
Reminder that New Gate has mediocre art.
>>138955491
at first I thought it wasn't possible to make the MC cute while still maintaining her monstrous qualities
then the manga came out
How fare do you think the Nejimaki anime will go? I really enjoy the series because the protagonist is a manslut but it isn't wholly integral to the story or glorified in any way.
>>138955650
Don't start this again.
>>138952709
I really liked re:moster. I read the light novel because I couldn't wait for the manga scans. When the nightly orgies and elf sex slaves started happening I was genuinely mad. I think it might have been the most disappointed i've ever been in a book or possibly in general.
>>138955650
it has mediocre everything
>>138952709
It only recently exploded in popularity so this is just the beginning, since 2012 I think.
Overlord, re monster, mushoku tensei, shield hero.
I guess the authors didn't want to do "trapped in a game" thing like SAO so they just said fuck it, reincarnation it is.
>>138952709
Because wish fulfillment, people that have wasted their lives and feel no sense of accomplishment are attracted to these kinds of stories, they think deep down that maybe in the next life they'll be genuinely happy or badass when the truth is that there's probably nothing after death. They'd be happy if they could discard that yearning for accomplishments and simply accept an hedonistic lifestyle.
http://krytykal.org/daybreak/
They should drop the reincarnation bullshit and go back to summoning people from other worlds as familiars
>>138955794
Shield Hero isn't even a reincarnation story. It's just a parallel world slip.
>read Kumo
>character reincarnates into goblin
>gets OP power
>has katana
>becomes respected in the village
>humans slaughter his entire family
>has the MC eat his sister
>becomes the dual-wielding hulk and start slaughtering innocent people
it's like this series is trying to make fun of genre's like these
>>138955794
Overlord isn't really reincarnation since he dosen't die to get to the new world.
they're all webcomics so
(a. there is no cost in originally making them
(b. companies (LN, manga, anime, etc.) don't need to spend that much to acquire the rights
(c. all these stories, every last one of them, are on one site so it's easy to find them.
>>138955621
not read these things in over a year
your series didn't even exist when I cared about this stuff
>>138955976
Overlord is more trapped in a video game that became a fantasy world
>>138956001
webnovels*
might as well be webcomics though you are basically reading the japanese equivalent to megatokyo.
>>138955758
re:monster reads like a first-person wikipedia synopsis.
>>138955783
The New Gate is one of the best. Your waifu didn't even wait 15 years this perfect goddess waited FIVE FUCKING HUNDRED.
>>138956020
He is trapped in no video game though. It's simply a transportation into a totally new world.
>>138955976
You don't really have to die to qualify. You just have to be an ordinary joe who suddenly finds himself fantasy land.
>>138956020
No, the game didn't become a world, he was transported to world that other players were transported to before him and they changed the world to have certain elements from the game (pretty much the only elements that came from Yggdrasil is ranked magic and some equipment left by previous palyers). And the NW is very much it's own world with it's own unique things, namely wild magic and martial arts.
>>138956180
then just call it "transported to another world" series
>>138956180
>You don't really have to die to qualify.
I thought that was the whole point of reincarnation, otherwise you were just transported to another world.
>>138956199
>>138956215
Well since you no longer exist in the original world (presumably), you're technically dead... right?
Or classed as a "missing person" assumed to be dead.
Come to think of it, I want to watch an anime where a dumbass gets himself transported into a video game world and his friends have to play the game to try to get him out.
>>138956278
>his friends have to play the game to try to get him out.
And if they turn off the console/PC/server he dies.
And the MMO company that owns the servers is running out of money and has to shut it down, so it's a race against time.
Hang on... I'm actually going to write this shit.
>author and readers are ugly, fat, hikki/NEET otaku
>they're lonely and suicidally depressed, but too cowardly to kill themselves or make any change
>the story involves MC-kun dying (usually in his one selfless act ever) and being reborn as a tall, handsome, muscular, OP hero
>delicious virgin women throw themselves at MC-kun vagina first with no effort on his part
>MC now has the good life without ever having to put an ounce of effort into improving himself or his situation
Why wouldn't it be popular? Although Re: Monster doesn't match that archetype at all since MC was an alpha pussy slayer in his previous life as well, that's why most of them are popular.
>>138956278
>His friends don't realize it and are making him teabag corpses
>When they turn the game off he's branded a necrophiliac and arrested
>>138956278
MIA != DIA
just say they transferred it's more accurate especially since they transferred body and all
reincarnation means they are dead, not "sort of dead"
>>138954222
>seriously I still don't understand the point of zombie apocalypse
It's """"""realistic"""""" escapist fantasy. Because, like, zombies totally could happen, man. And then it's cool to be a survivor and stuff. Never mind the fact that most of the fags that consume this stuff would be the first to be zombies.
>>138956325
What if they actually control his character and he complains every time they force him to do some action
>>138956278
>Well since you no longer exist in the original world (presumably), you're technically dead... right?
No you aren't dead you were transported.
>Or classed as a "missing person" assumed to be dead.
What does that matter?
>Come to think of it, I want to watch an anime where a dumbass gets himself transported into a video game world and his friends have to play the game to try to get him out.
That would be pretty interesting.
It's our old friend, the murder truck
>>138956335
Don't forget he was also a cannibal esper
>>138956335
>People call Mushoku Tensei "A story of REDEMPTION"
>More like the story of a guy getting enough pussy in his genetically superior body that he doesn't need to be a pedophile anymore
The manga art is so good too. I'd love it if he was just some prodigy and not a fat pedo loser.
>>138956354
Zombie shit is awful because the survivors have to fuck up in order for the drama to happen. Watching a bunch of people fail at surviving the zombie apocalypse isn't entertaining. But watching them take proper precautions and do everything correctly wouldn't attract the drooling masses. The genre falls flat on its face.
funny thing NEET MCs are actually a minority in the reincarnation genre
usually it's salarymen, high schoolers, or already OP characters (like in Re:monster)
of them NEET MCs are probably the only ones of those with a flaw (usually tailored to how much they sucked in their last life)
OP muscular MC that women fawn over tends to be the life of the guy who was OP or a salaryman in his last life.
>>138956453
If someone writes a "takes proper precautions" manga about surviving a zombie apocalypse, it would become the required reading textbook at surviving zombie apocalypses.
Zombie imoutou or vampire onee-san?
>>138956399
I don't really understand how that saves anyone. To pull someone out of the way and then do a full forward dive to push 2 other people out of the way would require such lightning fast speed. If the truck was any slower you could just shout to the people to get out of the way. And if the people still didn't get out of the way natural selection has determined they aren't fit to survive.
I blame the electric truck engine most of all though. Environmentalists are doing god's work killing all these sociological parasites.
>>138956477
want to reply to >>138956335
Reminder that funi will sub naii wa as now ay.
>>138956098
Triggered
>>138956477
Because becoming a soulless salaryman in japan is just an inevitability of life. Like dying or getting wrinkles, to the point everyone can relate to it.
>>138956335
>author and readers are ugly, fat, hikki/NEET otaku
But /a/ read them too, and we are all little girls here.
>>138956434
Yeah, he was some next dimensional alpha shit. Literally ate his enemies for breakfast, that's hard to beat.
>>138956443
Mushoku Tensei did start off as a pathetic pustule of a man improving himself through hard work and discipline, but at some point he was just handed fucking everything. I think giving him borderline infinite magic power and a harem killed any motivation that he might have had to improve, and by the end literally everything he does is out of some misplaced sense of obligation and to protect his vagina. And he never stopped being a pedophile to begin with, Roxy is his permaloli waifu that will look like a prepubescent girl for the rest of his life.
I like the manga, but it would be nice if they didn't shove his fat, greasy, otaku visage in there every chapter.
>>138955899
>>138955794
Isn't stuff like shield bro called Sword & Game?
>>138956477
I won't pretend to be an expert on the topic, but most of the ones I've seen has involved the MC being a loser in their past life.
Also, I think depressed, lonely, soulless businessmen in a thankless dead end job fall under the same loser umbrella that lonely, depressed otaku would, even if some details change. In the end they're all wish fulfillment with zero risk or effort on the part of the MC to improve their situation.
>>138956354
>>138956453
Shit man, I love zombie movies, I didn't realize they were hated by people.
>>138952932
>konosuba is the only anime with a reincarnation premise
I think OP meant the isekai genre in general, rather than specifically reincarnation which includes shit like SAO, Log Horizon and Overlord, just to mention a few recent series for example.
>>138953326
Kumo Desu Ga is pretty great. Some of the early translations are honestly borderline unreadable, but it's such an interesting concept and a cute MC that I can't help buy keep reading. I tried getting into Overlord, but going from the anime to the LN was too hard for me so I stopped; maybe if I give it time I can get into it.
Mushoku Tensei's first half was pretty great, but it got really bloated the longer it went on due to all the half finished plotlines. I still haven't got around to reading the last volume, I have no interest left.
Most others, like Shield Hero, aren't very good. I still have a dozen of this genre in my WN/LN backlog though, so I hope I find more good ones.
>>138956762
Most people are bored by zombie stories by now.
>>138956762
SAO is reincarnation? i thought that was trapped in a game setting.
>>138956762
I used to love Zombie movies, but then when I actually got into hardcore zombie survival shit, I realized just how utterly retarded the things people in Zombie movies do are. It's hard for me to look at them the same way any more, you just sit there and watch them act like complete morons and think about how much of a better job you'd be doing.
>>138956629
do you wish the series would've went the path of the diary chapters where though the same flaw he had that ruined his first life completely destroyed his second?
>>138955758
You're a retard and should've seen that coming.
>>138956399
Any series where the truck is the main villain?
>>138956845
There are some pretty decent zombie comedies though, like Wasting Away where the main characters turn into zombies but don't realize they did.
>>138956629
>Mushoku Tensei did start off as a pathetic pustule of a man improving himself through hard work and discipline, but at some point he was just handed fucking everything.
Yeah, being the child of famous adventurers/nobles will do that to you. I can't imagine his parents would've been psyched about some 40 year old pedophile stranger stealing their stillborn baby's body and pretending to be a prodigy.
If he really didn't want to be a scumbag this time around he'd pop outta that vagina and say "Mother, Father, I am 40 year old virgin shut-in from another world, I would humbly request for you to allow me refuge until I reach adulthood in this body."
>>138956870
Fuuka.
>>138956858
Yes. It's not even that the volumes after 16 were terrible, it was just anti climactic. There was so much potential to the hitogami apostles arc and it fell flat. Fucking Gisu is not a good villain.
>>138956917
Yeah but that's comedy. Zombieland was hilarious too, they go out of their way to make fun of a lot of zombie movie tropes. I was referring to actual zombie survival shit like Walking Dead and such. It's just terrible.
>>138956927
Regardless of the intention, he was a net positive on their lives, minus the mana catastrophe.
>>138956831
really the only arcs I didn't like of MT was the Pax and Milis arcs
otherwise I view the second part the same as the second part of Kumo, where the world's politics took over instead of the MC's personal dilemmas.
>>138957009
>>138956927
Well, the mana catastrophe was caused by the time-rewinder princess and anyway, the baby was supposed to be dead already.
>>138956927
He was given a fresh start and decided to do it properly and love/respect his parents like he was supposed to. And he did a decent job of it.
>>138956832
I've seen some good ones recently, though they were just random shit I saw on Netflix. I think the thing people are bored with are the ways zombies are used, rather than the idea itself.
>>138956845
Well, that's true with most stories in my opinion. The majority of the time, the story would conclude without an interesting conflict if the main characters applied common sense and logic to their scenario. This is especially true for drama, horror, and action stories, since they usually revolve around the characters being functional retards.
Besides, if you can have enough suspension of disbelief for the initial infections, I find the fast zombies/infected humans type of zombie to be pretty interesting and hard to deal with. If zombies are weak, slow, and stupid like your traditional ones then the story is pretty fucking stupid regardless of how it's done. But if they're fast, or worse, smart, then I think there are still a lot of potential interesting stories to be told. Plus there's the relatively recent idea of "special" mutated zombies like in Left For Dead and Dying Light that revives a tired concept.
>>138956343
Thanks anon, needed the laughsomeone please write this
>>138957015
I liked the Pax arc. The suicide scene was great. Milis arc was objectively the worst arc, minus the templar fight.
How does the fujoshi spider novel compare to MT in terms of writing quality?
Because it's the easiest way to do the Hero's Journey.
You can simply skip the boring part and go straight to the adventure
>>138957009
That's such sophistry. Seek out the genuine. You would've failed 3rd impact too you Seele shill.
>>138957072
>the baby was supposed to be dead already.
Having a new baby that whose body isn't inhabited by a creepy old man isn't a difficult thing.
>>138957096
>fujoshi
I'm on chapter 123 and it's not fujo in the slightest so far. People throw that word around way too much.
The chapters I've read so far are machine translated, so the writing quality can be pretty fucking bad at times even if I don't know how the original writing was. Additionally, there are cutaways to Generic Hero-Sama occasionally that are annoying since the most enjoyable part is Kumo herself. That being said, it's still interesting and unique, so I'd recommend trying it out.
>>138957097
I've always wanted a SOL series about a hero that "finally returns" to the real world and he's unable to find good work so he's just a middle-class salaryman with all these weird lightning reflexes and useless skills.
>>138957114
It's not fallacious in the least. If you're genuine and have good intentions but fuck everyone over, you're on the road to hell.
That's like saying everyone's effort matters regardless of the result, SJW philosophy, the reason our schools are fucked up and a much higher than expected proportion of gifted students get fucked.
>>138957268
That oneshot by the Hinamatsuri guy was also very good/similar.
>>138952709
Why is it that every time somebody reincarnates into a fantasy world it turns out that world functions on the same principles as a Korean grindfest MMO that never made it past playtesting?
>>138957284
Deceiving people = wrong
Even though you say "everything worked out all right" there is absolutely no way to know that it would. And of course the author wouldn't go down that path in the first place.
Hindsight is 20/20
>>138957096
MT seems like it wants to make fun of the reincarnation cliches most of the time >MC is mistaken for a demon at the beginning
>father catches on to genji plan and beats him
>Eris wants to be an adventurer but Rudi questions why
>cunning plan leaves kids dead
>school thinks he's a delinquent
>hypes japanese food throughout the series only for friends to think "meh it's ok"
Kumo seems to fucking hate those cliches
>righteous high school MC is HxH level detached
>Vampire girl gets reverse harem, turns out they are all mind controlled
>the church is actually reasonable in their bullshit
>goblin reincarnated character is used as a tool
>cute loli demon lord is actually as monstrous as they say
>>138957268
The funny thing is finding a job would be another Hero's Journey, a mildly boring one.
>>138957353
I don't even think you're addressing my argument at this point. You have the logic of a chuuni.
>>138956927
The fact of the matter is, he was their son. Paul and Zenith fucked, and he is what came out. He had a responsibility to be their son. Ignorance is bliss, anon. Deception is sometimes the best course of action. His parents were happier just thinking their son was a prodigy.Paul died happy, knowing he protected his son, and Rudy properly grieved for his father.
>>138957376
>righteous high school MC is HxH level detached
What do you mean?
>>138956927
>Yeah, being the child of famous adventurers/nobles will do that to you
I realize why it happened. I mean his family is wealthy and famous, he worked for royalty, he had cheat powers and plot armor, and he inherited his mother and father's ridiculously good looks so women threw themselves at him from a young age. Just because I know why it happened doesn't make it any less disappointing that the theme of "I will use my will and discipline to improve as a human" petered out due to Rudi being handed everything. Even his trip through the Demon Continent was a cakewalk because Rujeird babysat him the whole time.
The story started out as one that was a second chance for a parasite to redeem himself into a human through hardwork, but at some point it just became more lazy wish fulfillment in which MC is handed everything in the company of beautiful women. I wish the author had been more up front with the direction he wanted to take the story so I didn't sink so much time into the story. It ended up being remarkably drab and anticlimactic after he changed the focus.
>>138956831
>it's such an interesting concept
It's the exact same as any other "reincarnated into an MMO" shit except with a twist that instead of the MC being the hero, the demon lord, or some random villager who becomes the hero, she's a random mob monster who becomes pretty much just the demon lord.
>>138957376
MT perpetuated a lot of those cliches in the first place. You guys really need to stop thinking that shit is deeper than it actually is.
>>138954222
Survival, in the past our ancestors had to fight for every grain of food, but today you can go from your safe job to your safe house, order food and eat well, the danger of starving is so small it might as well not exist.
In a zombie apocalypse trough, it would be you against the world, no bullshit powers to help you, just you doing the best you can to stay alive.
For some people its a fantasy "I am man enough to keep myself and my loved ones alive in a brutal world like that?", the same way some people seek easy pleasure and endless sex in some fantasies, zombie lovers dream of testing themselves against an unfair world, to be warriors again, to be respected by the community for doing what man always did best, hunting, fighting, killing, and not just being another mindless drone working a factory job 7 to 5 every day.
Oh and lots of guns, zombies are not alive, its not a sin to pump them full of lead even if doing that is just the greater sin of wasting ammunition.
>>138957420
I'm sure plenty of people have happy marriages where their wife is sleeping around behind their back too, it doesn't make it right even if they never found out.
because reincarnation makes Japanese sociopaths in another world?
>>138957430
that outside he seems like a cool guy but inside he has no problems with killing and has socially distant narrations most of the time
basically justifying the "dense harem lead" cliche by making him a sociopath (due to the taboo skill).
>>138957459
I don't think you remember all the internal monologue that happened. At the beginning of the story, things really were heavier and using a picture of the manga doesn't do that justice. It's just that not many people expected average novel level writing from a light novel.
>>138957509
You make it sound like it's his fault. He had no control over the fact he was reincarnated.
>>138957345
It kind of reminds me of the real world, so I wonder if this is some sort of subtle jab at their readers on the part of the author.
>wow, if you train a certain thing six times a week for an hour, your skill will incrementally increase!
>In only a few decades, you can become a master at that skill just by routinely training!
>If you dedicate yourself with discipline and resolve, your hard work can achieve most goals over time!
It's literally real life, just with number values and official names assigned to everything. Anybody can become really fucking good at something if they dedicate a lot of time and effort to it, and they can be successful through the same thing, but for some reason it only "matters" if it's with a video game flavor to it.
>author wants to write a fantasy story
>editor says what's popular is making the MC a self-insert
>so they add a first chapter about how the MC is actually from Japan and died or something before coming to the new world
>occasionally mention that while writing a straight fantasy novel
>>138957298
Can I be reborn as a QT blonde
>>138952709
because the nips hyped themselves up on vr-hyper realistic fantasy mmos in the 2000s, and when the industry failed to deliver, they said 'fuck it, we will just write books about it instead'.
>>138957445
>it's just like all these other stories except huge parts of the story are totally different
Yes, all stories are identical, they just have different characters, plots, settings, and times changed out.
>>138957459
>MT perpetuated a lot of those cliches in the first place.
doubt it, it's one of the first of it's genre /a/ read but I doubt it's the first of it's genre or the first to use any cliches it's fucking with
Like you got Orsted who is pretty much the MC of any other series of its type but is mostly just regulated to the "2good2use" character.
>>138957459
>character plans to tame a girl by false kidnapping
>ends up getting the girl beaten within an inch of her life and almost getting killed in the process
>>138952960
>>138952932
>they are only popular in japanese webnovels
Chinese webnovel literature is actually a lot heavier on this trope than the Nips are.
Look up any translated xianxia and practically half of them incorporate it.
>>138954879
oh god, i thought they were legit translations and that the author was going for a kind of ditsy semi-retarded writing style on purpose.
arigato identification-sama.
>>138957268
>SOL series about a hero that "finally returns" to the real world and he's unable to find good work
>I Couldn't Become a Hero, So I Reluctantly Decided to Get a Job.
There was also a Korean comic I think about a hero who defeats the Demon Lord and plans to marry the kidnapped princess, but turns out it wasn't the princess who was kidnapped, it was prince shota. He basically gives up and becomes an otaku NEET.
>>138957636
It's success helped popularize the genre. Stuff like Rain helped too but the reincarnation fad really took off when people saw how well the MT was doing commercially. It become a very well received business model for LN publishers because it's so much easier to just adapt a handful of chuuni wank WN then to meet with real authors
>>138957673
>"He's well intentioned!"
>>138957268
You could read Yuusha Gojo Kumiai Kouryuugata Keijiban, it's a SOL series about all kinds of heroes being born, reincarnated, summoned etc. into various worlds, and what happens during and after their voyages, and their different points of view on the other's struggles (and sometimes helping each other). Some of them have several problems readjusting to their life after their adventure, to say the least. And one of them gets summoned all the time.
>>138957718
it's only been published as a LN a few years ago, before that it's a free webcomic there was neither cost to make it nor profit that they got from it.
I mean it's big on /a/ but is there really sells chart that says it's actually big in moonland?
>>138957564
Yeah, I've noticed a lot of these "reincarnation" stories really have no need to involve reincarnation since it has zero bearing on the story. Couldn't they just have MC be a slightly more special character or something? Like the goblin, instead of having a human soul in it, is just a really smart goblin. Or the giant spider with a human soul in it just happens to be the first spider to evolve sapience for some reason. Honestly I would find the lonely struggle of being truly unique in your species on the way to whatever goal the story has to be more interesting than the "lol hax I have all my memories" shit.
>>138957691
I forgot the name, but that was a fun read. Bonus points for the Demon Lords also being washed up has-beens with zero applicable skills outside of being warriors.
>>138956530
zombies are shit, too undead, vampire anything honestly
>>138957578
I want a genderbender series where the guy stays hetero in the female body and is visibly disgusted by the men trying to court them (and can see through their intentions easily)
>>138957749
In other WNs his plan would work without a hitch because the MC is a flawless child prodigy that can do no wrong
this one he's an idiot, who's plans often have problems or fail because he doesn't think things through
Anyone read slime tensei?
>>138957854
this, there was one story 'I refuse to be conquered' looked like it was going in that direction, he would visibly show disgust towards men and only hang with girls,but then he had a dream where the past him tells him the reincarnated him is different and to forget about him and the past life. Shit was stupid. Reincarnation was played way too straight. Fuck it.
>>138957800
The reincarnation light novel/web novel boom is fairly recent dude. It's light novel adaptation (and manga adaptation) really became the beacon of light for all those WN writers who want to be adapted. MT was successful enough for other publishers to adopt this, and that's why you have so many of them these days (even if the WN is older).
Shield hero helped too.
>>138957677
>oh god, i thought they were legit translations and that the author was going for a kind of ditsy semi-retarded writing style on purpose.
I have to say that the translations do add a fun, slightly retarded feel to Kumo's thoughts and actions, especiallyonce she gets multiple personalities and starts talking to her split personalities.Her commentary and excitement with hunting and eating is especially adorable, though I wonder how much of that is intended in the original writing and how much is just unintentional from the machine translation. It becomes pretty painful when it gets to the offshoot S stories with Generic Hero-sama though.
>>138957854
I don't really remember this part, was this an extension or what?
>>138957854
there's tons of series like that (Dragon bloodline, Tilea's worries, HTG, Alice, etc.)
one where the MC becomes a girl and wants to fuck guys are pretty rare (just Vampire girl and Katia from Kumo is all I can think of).
>>138957923
Reminds me of the shitty blazblue manga where the guy decides being a girl and falling in love with a man is more fun.
>>138957268
Source, please.
>>138957623
The premise is pretty much the same even if the execution varies.
>>138957948
Are those manga though?
>>138957875
His plan did work and he got both the girl and the total admiration of her family for successfully thwarting an actual kidnapping.
>>138957924
I just don't see MT as popular in Japan
I mean it doesn't have an anime, barely any fanart of it, manga is purely a webmanga, when it got popular on /a/ there was only three volumes out of the LN, no figurines, no one referencing it (except Bocchi Tensei).
can you show me the sells numbers
>>138957824
4 Cut Hero, hasn't seen an update in over 3 months now.
You know what I hate most in reincarnation stories, be LN or fanfics?
There is always a point where the faggot mc will say something like "I never wanted this, this power, I all wanted was to be a normal human bean waaahh!".
Really faggot, you have godlike powers, powers that will allow you to experience things most people only dream off, and the first thing you do is bitch and whine about you want to go back to a weak little human existence? Get real.
>>138958020
I think it had similar sales as Overlord?
>>138957854
In that hero forum series that gender bender thing is actually brought up one chapter. In the world one of them gets summoned to its only the spirit that gets summoned and inhabits the body of a chosen priestess. He spends a couple of pages bitching about exactly what you describe and how he can't even enjoy the body because he's never alone.
>>138957854
Source? Google gives moonrunes.
>>138957982
That's what a fucking genre is. I can't tell if you're an idiot or trolling.
>sci-fi
>Oh wow, futuristic technologies that often involve space, how original!
>military
>Oh wow, fighting and killing, it's just like the news!
>drama
>Oh wow, people are autistic and can't express their emotions and desires well enough! Good job!
>Tragedy
>Waaaah people die and I may or may not have been NTR'd!
>SOL
>Literally nothing happens so you can fill the hole in your heart with fake socialization and happiness.
I could go on and on.
>>138958041
>There is always a point where the faggot mc will say something like "I never wanted this, this power, I all wanted was to be a normal human bean waaahh!"
I've only seen this happen once in Konosuba and that series plays the whole concept for laughs. Can you give me one other example?
>>138958041
kinda why I read Xianxia novels more often
MC doesn't just want his power, he wants more powe
>>138958069
That's what I was thinking about as a I wrote that post. That chapter was funny as fuck.
>>138958028
It got an official english translation (that's behind the fan one too and behind a coin-based paywall).
>>138957990
that wasn't part of the deal
>>138958020
None of them have gotten very popular yet. Gate, Overlord, and Konosuba are just starting to trickle into the anime territory, and those are all because they're so adaptable. MT would be very hard to adapt if you aren't in it for the long haul.
>>138958028
>4 Cut Hero
Thanks man. Too bad about the updates, it was surprisingly funny.
>>138958041
Fuck dude, every god damn time. Even worse, it almost always ties in with the MC being a loser in their previous life, which makes them not wanting to be literal gods even more perplexing. Such a stupid cliche.
>>138958101
How do you even find out which Xianxia novels are worth checking out? I've noticed I need to sink hours into most novels/WNs/LNs before I can really tell if they are good or not, and it's really time consuming to try every single one without an idea if it's decent first.
>>138958155
>MT would be very hard to adapt if you aren't in it for the long haul.
Then we'd just end up with another blueball like Guin Saga that drops out after barely adapting anything. Hopefully the manga does it all at least, it's pretty fun to read a truncated MT with pretty pictures.
>>138957924
Yet there's no anime for either.
>>138957854
Seems like Only Sense Online will end up like that, since the guy's virtual avatar is only a girl. Obviously a shameless SAO clone but who cares.
>>138958210
That's why I like shield herothey could have decided to forsake their godly powers and live as humans; instead they just leave behind mortal copies of themselves to absorb memories from on the worlds they visit during their godslaying escapades.
>>138958115
I still like the ones with the Sage where he's actively supplying both sides of the Demon lord vs Heroes fight in his world because he doesn't want people to figure out he's actually the former hero and make him fight again.
>>138957924
really I think me saying that MT taking some cliches and laughing at them is let overestimating it than you saying it outright created/popularized those cliches.
like it's still using the cliches it's just more self-conscious about it, but just because it's the first of the genre we read doesn't mean it' was one of the pioneers of it (it just means that the series are so blended together they often tread the same ground).
SAO and Mahouka are popular there's sells and an anime to prove it, MT was just a good series the guys at baka tsuki found.
>>138958294
Here's the flowchart
>SH and MT WN becomes popular
>Publisher tries to adapt them commercially into LNs
>It works pretty well
>WN authors catch wind of thise
>Start shilling out shitty reincarnation/other world plots because they don't want to work
>Publishers adopt the MT/SH model and start selling these WN as LN
>It seems to work out well
>Couple years go by
>Anime industry begins to see the increasing popularity of this genre and decides to capitalize
>picks a handful of the most popular/easiest ones to adapt
>2016 now
>???
>3rd Impact makes us all reincarnate into over-powered bodies in fantasy worlds
Do you see how time around =/= inherent popularity now?
>>138958390
SAO and Mahouka are precursors though. I'm just explaining the recent rise of popularity of reincarnated isekai stuff. Honestly I completely forgot the original conversation though orz.
>>138958210
I dunno I just read a premise or recommendation that appeals to me.
though some of those series are pretty "ghetto" in nature. Like I'm reading MGA and most of the time finding myself reading it in ebonics
>translates "your courting death!" to "whatcha say nigga?"
>>138958020
It sells about 10-15K per vol, pretty good considering it has no anime or live action film.
>>138958308
I don't know anon, Yun was pretty much a girl in almost everything, that and the ton of scenes he has with his best friend.
>>138957936
>It becomes pretty painful when it gets to the offshoot S stories with Generic Hero-sama though.
coincidentally i skipped the side stories because i did not give a single fuck about non-spider problems.
alright, posting 5 decent reincarnation/sent to another world stories.
Death March (WN)
Jikuu Mahou
Isekei Meikyuu
The Man Picked up by the gods
No FatigueI'm reading over 80 series at once and I've probably dropped or finished that much as well.
I've read more in the last 4 months than most people read in years
>>138958082
I literally can see the source in that image.
>>138958308
yun is a god damn lady boy irl and the only reason the author made him a girl avatar online was specifically to cockblock/prevent romantic entanglments in his wishfullfillment waifu mmo adventure.
>>138958720
I've wanted to, but they've had some interesting foreshadowing for spider-chan so I've trudged through them. They really are incredibly uninteresting though.
>>138958750
Thanks mane. Was going to start the Man Picked Up by the Gods after I catch up on Kumo, but I'll check out the others too.
>>138958750
Well it's easy to do that when you're a NEET. Can you rank those in order of priority?
>>138958927
Those 5?
Death March
Isekei Meikyuu
Man Picked Up by the Gods
Jikuu Mahou
No Fatigue
I'm not a NEET, I just spend all my free time reading
>>138958836
Honestly I believe the only reason he's a boy irl is because of an editor's intervention.
>>138957824The spider was really just a reincarnated spider
Gah. Why couldn't this series just have been about Sakurako?
>>138959067
If you can't self-insert via the penis what's the point? That's why Kumo is useless.
>>138959262
Are you implying you don't want to self insert as a girl?
Faggot
>>138959262
I'd insert my penis into Kumo
>>138958429
One would think it's not like that but it do.
>>138955624
I know I'm gonna regret it, but picked up.
>>138955624
This is like "my death flags show no sign of ending" but the MC in death flag says everythign he means like if he had tourrettes
>>138959430
If you like it, read commushou. While it was dropped by the translators, what was there is great.
>>138959493
He says things normally but the body of the character he is in filters it to how the character spoke when it was a game.
You guys should give Terror Infinity a try, the author is a obvious westaboo and weeaboo who shamelessly rips off everything.
It's pretty much Gantz but MC has to survice in movie settings (Resident Evil, Alien, The Mummy, Starship Troopers, Jojo just to name a few) and the MC is a xianxia character. All the power ups and weapons are usually taken from something, he mentions Doraemon and One Piece at one point.
I actually think it's a lot better then Gantz and more well thought out. Also one of the side characters is in love with histrapimouto
>>138958750
>Isekei Meikyuu
Literally just grinding in a labyrinth plus some kinky stuff. Also the 'game mechanics' are super boring.
I dropped it after 100 something chapters because I started feeling sleepy when reading chapters of it.
>>138957674
I haven't read too many xianxia but only 2 of them that I can think of didn't have reincarnation.
>>138959797
It gets better. The current arc has him being inducted into a secret society of labyrinth explorers.
The slow pace and lack of any danger is nice. I mean, the first chapter had him choose a world with minimum danger so it isn't like you didn't know what you were getting in to.
>>138952709
Because we've already wasted our lives.
>>138952709
Anyone here keep an eye out for Reincarnation no Kaben? What was the talent of John Wayne Gacy and the rest of the good guys? I had to ask here since tranlation is never ever
>>138959857
>The slow pace and lack of any danger is nice.
My complains are the boring 'game mechanics' and narration of the battles. I'm okay with everything else. I might try reading it in the nights so I can sleep earlier.
>>138957959
It's one of Mizukami Satoshi's one shots
>>138953326
I loved Mushoku Tensei but I got sick of it around when it became a full harem. I haven't kept up with it too much but I loved the worldbuilding and character interactions until it went full pandering mode.
>>138959540
Well he's doing the filtering mentally because he can't talk to girls.
>>138960184
read who I was quoting, we were talking about another series.
Also, update for volume 2 when? The translator loves to do batches rather than releasing them when they're done being translated.
That femMC are the best anon here. Reporting a list of what I've read that's for the most part good. Top 4 I recommend highly but the rest are still good
>Kumo Desu Ga
>Destruction Flag Otome
>Tensei Oujo
>The Girl Who Ate a Death God
Katahane no Riku
Kenkyo
Kuma Kuma KUMA KUMA KUMA
Jyashin Average
Bathroom Goddess
The Guild Cheat Receptionist (tl never ever)
Tilea's Worries
Yandere Otome
Stunning Edge
>>138960398
here's from another thread
>>138955309
>>138959628
yeah but I'm not a westaboo my motto for /a/ is "if you like the west so much why are you reading/watching a foreign medium?"
I like my Xianxia like I like my Chinese history in the Han Dynasty
>>138960398
Manowa is another one. It got a new translator so it is getting semi-regular updates again.
>>138960398
am I the only one that like Burriko
>tfw even the translator doesn't like it anymore
Are there any fun, clever subversions of this sort of genre?
Reincarnation is the same as "x'd by a exotic material" scene in the western comic book franchise.
More accurately similar to the WWII shooter crazy of the 2000s. Its a phase. At least in Japanese media, the phase changes every so often.
>>138960545
The story itself is not westaboo. Shame though if that keeps you from it. I think the action and how the MC levels up is a lot more exciting then pretty much every other CN novel.
>>138952709
ah yes, the non-stop market saturation of stories involving heroes that have reincarnated from a previous existence into a new vassel while still retaining memories from their previous form, how I tire of it.
>>138960610
Katahane no Riku is basically fantasy school days
except replace Sekai with Guts
>>138952709
Everyone has regrets in life, so it's an easy wish fulfillment. Or if it isn't, then it's a lesson about how even with the knowledge of a past life you still have the same hardship and trouble, that regrets are the price of life.
Reincarnation not being a thing in the West we have different tropes that cover the same ground.
Seriously, though, doesn't everyone wish they could do over parts of their life? If not, they are probably pretty young.
>>138957784
>Yuusha Gojo Kumiai Kouryuugata Keijiban
Just started it. Surprisingly funny. Thanks for the recommendation.
>>138960658
I hate the reincarnation thing but love that industry is returning to it's overpowered take-no-shit roots.
>>138960607
I really liked Burriko when the MC gave no fucks, but then she became a lot more conscious about Jack or whatever his name is became really dominantly annoying and hes just hampering the MC most of the time
I actually hate Shoujo as a genre ironically enough, but fem MC usually don't fall into a lot of the pitfalls in other transported to another world series.
>>138960801
I want the WNs to be translated already
>>138960842
Aren't Raising the Dead doing a poll about translating? Why not submit it to that?
>>138960811
but I liked the Jack of Hearts
all he wants to do is fuck his OP waifu
he's completely relatable
In fact I love all the characters even heroine Guevara
外人様日本憂我喜嗚呼外人様速日本滅
>>138960743
>tfw the timeline got utterly fucked because rook either forgot or didn't want to save riku.
>>138960955
pic related it's Riku
外人様輪BD御川内癖似堂出藻井伊事御議論剃留。
>>138960955
And to think this all happened since chapter fucking one.
>>138957564
I wish this was the case but many of them have game mechanics or many allusions to the origin world. It's more like they wrote the plot for a jRPG and added that little bit at the beginning about them being from Japan.
>>138957824
>Yeah, I've noticed a lot of these "reincarnation" stories really have no need to involve reincarnation since it has zero bearing on the story
It's not uncommon for Western fiction to do the same thing (usually young adult stuff). They basically have barely any connection to the modern world and take place in a fantasy world, but starting the story off in some random American city makes it easier for kids to relate to the characters, even if ultimately the "real world" is barely relevant. This was super common with fantasy in the 80s, it's still around now.
>>138960955
usual VN protag
usual LN protag
usual harem protag
usual female protag
usual Chinese protag
all of them would've saved Riku, "rescuing a maiden just because" is like rule #1 of being a hero. Especially ones with perverted intentions
>>138960801
To be honest it's one of the series that I enjoy reading the most, because the recurring characters are great, but the new ones that get introduced never fail to deliver either. Plus it manages to be surprisingly deep at times.
>>138960610
I'm not sure what you mean by subversions?
>>138960955
He's a casual faggot, totally deserves it, not just because he's a cunt or anything. But because he fucked up the timeline right in the beginning, and is surprised that things went off the tracks.
外人様あぁぁぁあぁあぁあああぁぁぁ
あああああああああああ
どうかこの腐った国日本にもう一度原爆を
あああああああああああ
>>138960743
If we also replace Makoto with Griffith, don't we basically get Berserk?
>>138960743
That sounds fun as fuck.
>>138960743
If you liked Riku, read the Girl Who Ate Death.
It's basically Beserk's Golden Days but with a death scythe wielding loli
>>138961385
An "eternally hungry deathgod jeanne d' arc" as one anon put it. But she's not a loli, she's about 17.
What's with Nips and their incomprehensible hatred of hats? I find their lack of hats in their shitty works disturbing.
>>138961479
She's described as really small, plus the official cover of her she looks like a loli (well we can't tell her actual height). Loli a bodytype, otherwise is Shinobu not a loli?
>>138960071
>Mizukami Satoshi'
Thank, based anon.
>>138961517
昨日初めてnipsが日本人を指す差別用語だって知りました。有難うございます。今度使ってみます。
>>138961143
>>138960955
>>138960743
>Well, she didn't do much in the original story, and she isn't that pretty, so I guess there's no problem if I just let her die here
>OH NO WHAT THE FUCK THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WHY ARE THEY ALL DYING OH SHIT
The guy deserves every bad thing that happens to him
>>138956870
oh shi- I stopped watching after awhile, but they had a rematch?!
What are some examples of this genre done in a way that's not shit?
>>138952709
They're literally the same shit as /gaia/ teir fanfiction.
I find it funny that /a/ gets such a boner for these and shits on korean webcomics for being "deviantart shit" when they're the same goddamn thing
>>138961643
I still keep MT as a good series even though some will disagree
but if you are talking about reincarnation in general and not "reborn in a magical world" series then I guess Apollo Song and Spirit Circle are safe bets.
>>138961643
If you didn't like Shield Hero and Mushoku Tensei, then I just guess this genre not for you. (Unless you liked them and are just looking for the nongeneric ones, I can probably draw up a short list)
You can perhaps give Tensei Oujo or My Deathflags show no sign of ending a try. If you like grinding or more action ala DBZ style, Xianxia a way to go. Otherwise I'd move on.
ああああたあ
アメリカ人よ
日本を占領していろいろしてくださったのは感謝しているけどさぁ…
なんで英語を公用語にしなかったの？
これだけは無能ここに極まれりって感じですよ
(´Д｀)ﾊｧ…マイナークソ言語しか扱えない劣等感半端ないっすわ…
>>138961719
Light novels are the same as /gaia/ tier fanfiction
Anime adapts light novels
Anime is ???
A lot of WN use Japanese tropes which is something that 99% of /a/ enjoys, so why are you surprised?
>>138961820
Not enough OPM and manly goys like GTO.
>>138953304
There was a movie where he's the reincarnation of Corean general who worked for Emperor of Qin, and he does some Indiana Jones shit to find the immortality pills or some shit.
>>138952709
It's just a fad, just like selfinsert tsundere romucom stories were popular 10 years ago.
>>138956934
ICE FUCKING COLD
