Where is your Lilith now?
>>138925889
Is that Asuka actually looking female?
>>138925889
me on the left
She's right here.
>>138925889
I sometimes think.
Isn't it kinda whack that Shinji had a romantic interesting with a clone of his mother?
But then, what part about Evangelion wasn't whack?
>>138926026
Still upset I see, toiletfag.
>>138925889
Stick to your own toilet shit toiletfags
>>138925889
Why is Rei sitting next to an ugly transvestite?
>>138926814
>>138926825
>asukafags
Lowest of the low.
>>138926227
Had Rei "won" I could only imagine the amount of "mother fucker" jokes we'd be doing every single Eva thread.
>>138925889
>>138926068
>make Eva great again
This
Asuka should definitely be the main character in 3.0+1.0
>>138926899
Fuck off tumblr, we've had enough trannies in our anime.
>>138925889
Is that Rei actually not looking like a toilet?
>>138926899
>>138926825
>>138926814
>this one retarded Asukafag
Not sure what disappoints me more, that there's someone as autistic as this Asukafag or that the Asukafags tolerate his behavior.
>>138926889
Don't forget "toilet fucker" jokes too
>>138927027
Give him a break, he created 4chan after all.
>>138927027
Because everyone knows how often Reifags call out their own when they go into their autistic ramblings.
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/HSwmbEDX7ZCm5IEfQSgzhA/
oh god the autism
oh my fucking god
>>138927033
Where does this toilet meme come from, what does it refer to?
>>138927129
Is Asukafag that mad because his husbando is Shinji's porno magazine?
>>138927129
>implying this wasn't a reifag
>implying this wasn't created with a clear intention of being reposted
>implying this wasn't you
>>138927125
Hardly any need to rein in anyone discussing EVA.
>>138925889
I dont know why, but this image is so arousing.
Why are they more attractive than the original? Is it because we got too used to classic rei and asuka?
>>138927194
And the trannyfag who I didn't even mention.
>>138927175
>>138927186
I think it's the fireposter or someone similar.
>>138927234
I'm betting that one's a Kaworufag meme, but there's plenty of people telling Mr. Tranny that he's unfunny and retarded.
>>138927296
Also not to mention that the best way to counter shitposters is to report and not respond.
>>138927234
That one always smelled like falseflagging to me, but all right, here goes:
Hey guy who keeps calling Asuka a tranny, it's not really funny and I don't even get it. Quit it faggit.
>>138927155
Rei looks like a toilet bowl
>>138927341
Good point.
Although I'm pretty sure the asukafag autist ITT is ban evading or something, as he frequently gets his posts deleted but still comes back.
>>138927400
Not much to be done about that. Just get the janitors to keep cleaning shit up so he has to use another proxy.
>>138927186
It's an Asukafag. It's the same mega-autismal Asukafag that stalks every thread and shits on Rei, even making dozens of threads to do that.
This toilet thing of his is actually relatively recent, he's been at it for years is my guess.
>>138927125
You can't just a post you don't like for "autistic ramblings", you know. There isn't a single style of posters on 4chan's EVA-threads now that are as open to discussion as Reifags, although that doesn't mean they'll agree easily.
>>138927509
The most common form of "discussion" is idiotically long text walls and bizarre dogmatic arguments that require ridiculous logical contortions to follow.
Also there's that one Reifag who thinks the purpose of every thread is to talk about how Anno hates Rei and how the purpose of Eva is to shit on Rei. That guy is paranoid and annoying.
>>138927655
Totally not true. Not any of it, there's been huge threads on Rebuild's plot and story plus it's characters for a long, long time now. It's less than it was before, but there's always discussion to be had if you commit to not being full waifufag retard like the toiletposting Asukafag ITT.
>>138927655
I understand those arguments very fine but there's no comment from my side because I already agree somwhat, not the original TV-series plus EoE, but I get the feeling just by watching new EVA.
>butthurt Reifag bitches about the toiletposter
>but the trannyposter, who has been shitposting for almost a year now, is okay
>>138927895
>butthurt Asukafag glosses over multiple posts saying the trannyfag is dumb, unfunny and should quit it as well
It's like Asuka fans are inherently less intelligent than their other evangelion fan peers.
BEGONE VILE HERESY
>>138927971
It was a stupid complaint to bring up in the first place and implicitly suggests that it's worse when it's against Rei than when it's against Asuka.
>>138928084
It is worse. Not because of who it's against, but because of the intensity and the persistence of a samefagging asukafag-anon who gets repeatedly banned just do shitpost over and over again.
>>138928148
Because the trannyfag clearly isn't doing the exact same thing given his equal persistence.
>>138927971
>he sweeps it under the rug
>>138928183
>equal persistence
Not even close m8.
>>138928183
The trannyfag just posts actual caps from the show, at least that's better than what this autistic fireposter is doing
>>138928183
I see the toiletposter in virtually every thread. Trannyfag, not so much.
Then it's maybe once or twice per thread. The Asukafag autist clearly has an entire folder he dumps every single time:
>>138927033
>>138926961
>>138926899
>>138926825
until he gets banned, which is what happened now. Otherwise it'd go on.
>>138928203
>having this little self-insight
New low there, Asukafag-san.
Check out
>>138927466
>>138927342
>>138927341
>>138927296
who clearly don't approve either.
This isn't the first time fireposter got banned for his shit
>>138928215
>>138928294
Posting more doesn't necessarily mean he's more persistent. The trannyfag used to do the exact same thing in his earlier days, he's probably just toned it down so he doesn't get banned so often. Toiletfag could do the exact same thing given enough time.
>>138928238
Fuck off. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
>>138927372
You're gonna have to go deep to explain that one to me
>>138928393
>Posting more doesn't necessarily mean he's more persistent.
Hahahaaha
No.
Looks like trannyposter made a big babby boom boom and is crying for his diaper change
>>138928393
The trannyfag 'shitposted' with caps from the show.
Asukafags were actually getting mad of images of Asuka in the show.
They retaliate with google images of toliets, which goes to show what's really going on here.
>>138928393
Honestly guy, aren't you being silly now?
Take this:
>Posting more doesn't necessarily mean he's more persistent.
and do you really mean that? Because posting more and evading bans is far, far more persistent than the trannyfag.
Then >>138928238
does have a point. He posts screencaps from the anime with text, which means the trannyfag never gets banned. The toiletfag-asukafag posts non-anime pictures and is far more persistent, and even ban-evades to keep going.
The toiletfag would never calm down because he's been doing this for months now, and before that he was just shitposting normally with his own poorly made mspaint edits and generally insulting Rei fans at every chance he got.
Asukafans on /a/ have always taken the prize for most obnoxious fanbase, spearheaded by this guy. Don't just defend them because you might also be an Asuka fan, because then you're just as bad as that guy.
>>138928462
>>138928238
This.
We have now reached a point where Asuka fans have become so lost and so out of touch that they get triggered by screencaps from the anime.
I bet that right now, posting a screencap from NGE (with no comment even) where Asuka suffers will somehow trigger the toiletposter or other asukafags into a frenzy.
>>138928462
This
If Asukafags can't deal with how Asuka is portrayed in NGE, then maybe they should watch a different Anime
>>138928431
I'm saying one's further along in his shitposting from the other. I can dig through the archive to find the trannyfag forcing his meme a few months ago but I need to go eat right now.
>>138928462
>>138928553
>>138928611
Are you seriously implying that the trannyfag isn't a shitposter just because he posts images from NGE? Are you really that stupid? Just because toiletfag is breaking the rules slightly more doesn't mean one is any less cancerous than the other.
>>138928627
>I'm saying one's further along in his shitposting from the other. I can dig through the archive to find the trannyfag forcing his meme a few months ago but I need to go eat right now.
We know who's furthest, it's the asukafag, aka fireposter aka "mr shitty mspaint edits". Same style, same persistence, same tendency for getting banned.
Rei really does look like a toilet, come to think of it.
>>138928627
What's cancerous here is that Asukafags were actually getting triggered by some guy posting pictures of Asuka FROM THE SHOW.
>>138928627
>Are you seriously implying that the trannyfag isn't a shitposter just because he posts images from NGE? Are you really that stupid?
You're dumb for thinking he's worse than the toiletposter, when he's less active, and mostly posts in reply to the toiletposter. Im not just implying it, I'm demanding it as a fact.
Posting images from the show shouldn't trigger anyone the way it trigger Asukafags. They should go away from EVA-threads if they don't like screencaps being posted on an anime imageboard.
>Just because toiletfag is breaking the rules slightly more doesn't mean one is any less cancerous than the other.
Just read your own post and tell me you're not being stupid right now. He's not breaking it slightly more, he's outright trying to get banned almost. He's shitposting with non-anime images, trannyfag is basically innocent in comparison.
Don't just defend an obviously worse shitposter because he's an Asukafag, and you might be one too.
>>138928339
>still sweeping my point under the rug
>>138928798
Clearly, you didn't have a point and is just butthurt you got schooled.
Who here /Misato/?
>>138928719
Even if it accompanies with the text "this is a boy", it shouldn't be offensive or triggering at all. People post about how Shinji is a girl constantly and it's only rarely that annoys people, and when it does, it's because it happens all the time and just doesn't make sense to some people.
>>138928719
The only Asukafag who gets triggered by scenes from the show is fireposter. The biggest problem with the trannyfag is that he just filled up threads with "Hurr she's a tranny."
Earlier on, he'd just spam select images with "she's a slut" filenames and go on about what a tranny she is, whether people would reply to his shit or not. I haven't paid much attention to how long he goes on lately, though. In either case, that shit's obnoxious.
The Fireposter's toilet posting is equally retarded, but obviously spawned as a response to the tranny poster. He's just trying to fight fire with fire, and so everyone suffers.
>>138928903
Considering you've identified him as the "fireposter", which predates trannyfag by maybe a year, the problem is still the toiletposting/fireposting asukafag retard.
>>138928958
Yeah, and do you know who was the first one to call him fireposter?
>>138929001
Some faggot called "Anonymous".
>>138928830
How did I get schooled?
>>138928958
Yes, he's definitely a retard and has done a great job making these threads significantly worse for over a year. That doesn't mean the trannyposter isn't also retarded.
>>138928903
The Asukafag in question has been on /a/ for many years, and has mostly spent his every waking moment fighting a "waifu war" he always loses because all he does is shitpost.
I think he tried in the beginning, but he's not good enough to argue his points and so he eventually descended into waifufaggot madness, but he was a lost cause since the beginning. Asukafags support the shitposter because hey, he's an Asukafag and he's making anti-Rei noise.
Shameful behavior from all involved, really.
>>138929061
>How did I get schooled?
By your parents, at home.
>>138929079
You'll find that non one disagrees that trannyposter is retarded. However, it's a fact that trannyposter doesn't even compare to how bad the asukafag poster is.
The problem remains that the toiletposter is an Asukafag, which means Asukafags defend that guy despite it being obvious to everyone involved that the toiletfag is an absolute shitposter, worse than any other we've seen probably.
The Asukafag situation is impossible, they can all be construed to be more moderate versions of the toiletposter. I haven't seen an Asukafag have a good argument in a long time now, that wasn't about doujins or shipping.
>>138929124
So how come you aren't schooled, anon? It's definitely good for you.
>>138929124
I certainly don't support him and I've seen a number of Asukafags decry him before. Frankly, there's no real way to prove he has everyone's support in the same way that there's no real way to show that Reifags don't support the trannyposter.
>>138929213
I agree that he is far worse than the trannyposter; I'm just saying they're both blights on these threads.
Can you show proof of Asukafags defending him?
>>138929280
>I certainly don't support him and I've seen a number of Asukafags decry him before. Frankly, there's no real way to prove he has everyone's support in the same way that there's no real way to show that Reifags don't support the trannyposter.
You're supporting him right now by skirting around the fact that he's the hitler of evangelion posting.
>>138929313
I just said that he's responsible for making these threads worse for over a year now. In what world is that support?
A year later and these threads haven't changed
>>138929363
Voicing his side when you and the rest of the thread is aware of the fact that he's the worst, is support.
Skirting around the fact, as I said.
Just drop it is my advice. Don't bother to continue bringing this up when we agree the asukafag is the absolute worst already. There's nothing more to discuss and if you do, it'll only seem as you're supporting him.
>>138929447
Why are you wasting your time talking to ARK when he's the biggest Asuka shitposter in these threads after fireposter?
His idea of "discussion" is hosting imagedump generals.
Just another case of how embarrassing Asukafags are of an existence on /a/.
>>138929527
I didn't know it was the tripfag, to be honest. That said ARK is another nasty one, and he's an asuka fan too.
all this drama
Can we please go back to intellectual discussions of how obviously superior Asuka is?
Like how Asuka is an actual character, while Rei is a philosophical concept put into a character
>>138929440
You are wrong. They have gotten worse.
These anons don't know 'bout my eva merch.
>>138928719
More than one or two people aren't getting "trigggered" by him posting cherrypicked off-model shots, people are annoyed at him because spamming "female character is a tranny!" with the exact same pictures for multiple posts in every thread over and over is obnoxious and is the equivalent of a child with down syndrome throwing his toys at people trying to ignore the mongoloid and have a conversation.
>>138929377
A few posters are not representative of all people in a group. It wouldn't be surprising for you to make the same claim of me decrying the fireposter as simply not being what the majority view is. When everyone is anonymous, it's hard to gauge what the group thinks. The only proper claim you can make is one on a personal level, as to what you believe or approve of.
>>138929447
>Voicing his side
I'm saying they're both shit. If you're construing that as support then you're just retarded.
>>138929527
>His idea of "discussion" is hosting imagedump generals.
I sure do love when people have no idea what they're talking about.
>>138929598
No, that anon is right. It's not the off model shots he's talking about, it's the scenes where asuka gets rekt in the series.
Usually is followed up by triggered asukafags posting scenes of rei blowing up, but no reifags get triggered from that.
So basically fireposter = anyone Reifags don't like.
>>138929558
You can tell it's him when the only thing he ever does on /a/ besides imagedumping is damagecontrol for asukafags.
>>138929618
>>138929558
>>138929527
oh god it actually was him
Welp, I'm out. ARK is just as bad trying to get the last word in every single time denying everything he does, so here goes, I'm off, goodbye ARK have the last word if it suits your autismal ass.
>>138927027
>that the Asukafags tolerate his behavior.
What are we supposed to do?
"I'm an Asukafag and that shit is dumb and not funny."
">Asukafag"
>>138927129
That's how you can spot if someone is under aged.
It's quiet hilarious in my opinion.
>>138929701
Shh, don't respond to it.
Not that it has its trip on the attentionwhoring will take over the entire thread.
>>138929570
That does sound like a better thread.
>>138929568
Both are actual characters by definition. Not sure where you draw the distinction.
The difference is that Asuka is more simple and traditional, whilst Rei also touches on some philosophical concepts as part of her character. Asuka does too, but much less and in a way that's less unique for the character.
Then it's worth mentioning that Rei is a more complete character, she's got the holy grail of characters, a start, dilemma, and a conclusion she reaches herself and that answers the dilemma or problem she discovers.
In the original series, Asuka doesn't have that for instance. Not even in EoE arguably, as the solution if at all present would be off-screen.
Between the two, Rei is obviously superior here.
>>138929683
Yeah the damage control and insistence that he wasnt' "damage controlling" after backtracking should have given it away.
>>138929879
From that start I was saying they're both shit. How is that damage control?
>>138929952
>The Fireposter's toilet posting is equally retarded, but obviously spawned as a response to the tranny poster. He's just trying to fight fire with fire, and so everyone suffers.
>>138930015
Yes, that's what I said. How is that damage control?
Jesus Christ, Asukafags really are cancer
>>138929952
You pretty much said the toiletposter "wasn't as bad", and that he came after the trannyfag, which you know isn't true. So yes, Asukafag damage-control.
Now fuck off.
>inb4 denial
we all know how far you'd go to lie.
>>138930048
Only fanbase with a tripfag and a shitposter banned in the same thread
>>138930051
I didn't say that at all. I said that his toilet posting specifically came as a response to the tranny poster, and that both are retarded.
For reference, my first post in the thread was >>138928903
>>138930035
>How is that damage control?
>How is that damage control?
>How is that damage control?
>How is that damage control?
>How is that damage control?
If claiming he's "equally retarded" when you are later forced to admit to this:
>I agree that he is far worse than the trannyposter;
here >>138929280
Then you wanted proof of asukafags supporting him, and you got it, which you then deflected away. You're doing damagecontrol for Asukafags, as usual.
You're an insane, dumb Asukafag who has no dignity or self-respect whatsoever. Go away ARK.
>>138930051
Toiletposter came after the trannyfag. There would be no toiletposter without trannyfag.
>>138930048
no you
>>138929831
Of course they are both characters. That's why I said "concept put into a character".
My point was that the main theme of them is different in that regard.
Asuka is a extreme case of self-esteem issues, who build masks and has dependancy issues.
Everything about her is a psychological topic.
Rei on the other hand deals with the "How do I define myself as a individual" problem and uses that to explore concepts around it.
Sure it impacts her character but if you would.....categorize the screentime regarding, what character explores which category (psychological/ philosophical)
Asuka would be 100% psychological problems, while Rei would be somewhere around 80% philosophical problems and 20% about how that impacts her character.
Not that it is a bad thing in general....but it steals character depth from Rei.
Is Eve the worst fanbase on /a/? The shit these threads have devolved into make Naruto threads look good.
>>138930180
So Toiletposter is Joker to Trannyfag's Batman?
ThenTELL ME ABOUT BANE. WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?
>>138930152
That post says just that.
>The Fireposter's toilet posting is equally retarded, but obviously spawned as a response to the tranny poster. He's just trying to fight fire with fire, and so everyone suffers.
You're saying that he spawned as a response to the tranny poster, despite knowing full well that the toiletposter existed much earlier and has been a nuisance for much, much longer prior to that.
Then you also said he was "equally retarded", and then later you had to admit that he was much worse. You were doing damage control.
Everyone suffers because of faggots like you, who wont' accept that your side stinks. Doing damage control and openly lying is what makes you a shit poster as well.
>>138930249
*eva
>>138930180
Toiletposter predates the trannyfag by several years. He's been known under many names, asukafag autist, fireposter and just about any slur you can imagine.
So no toiletposter, no trannyfag.
>>138927655
Is that the same guy who goes ballistic when you point out that Rei has always been a clone of Yui?
>>138930249
Nah, Eva threads can be really good at times.
>>138930237
>Of course they are both characters. That's why I said "concept put into a character".
>My point was that the main theme of them is different in that regard.
Then how about you say that, instead of demonstrating how you misunderstand the terminology around characters in fiction? Good on you for clearing it up though.
In conclusion, both are characters, actual characters and whatnot.
>Asuka is a extreme case of self-esteem issues, who build masks and has dependancy issues.
>Everything about her is a psychological topic.
>Rei on the other hand deals with the "How do I define myself as a individual" problem and uses that to explore concepts around it.
>Sure it impacts her character but if you would.....categorize the screentime regarding, what character explores which category (psychological/ philosophical)
>Asuka would be 100% psychological problems, while Rei would be somewhere around 80% philosophical problems and 20% about how that impacts her character.
Quite frankly this is nonsense. Philosophical problems and psychological problems are closely related, where one ofen causes the other. Asuka's problem for instance, is that she has no personality or individuality of her own, because she never defined herself. They, along with Shinji, share a similar affliction known as "the human condition". Rei goes more fundamental and asks some philosophical questions, meaning she goes deeper into the themes and thus has more depth.
That Rei completes arc as a character stands as a huge bonus to Rei when comparing her to other characters.
>>138930413
Every eva-fan worth their salt knows Rei wasn't a clone of Yui.
>>138930315
sauce: your ass
>>138928872
Misato is fine at any age!
>>138930178
>>138930273
>>138930118
Sadly all ARK does is prove that Asukafags are worse than other sub-fangroups here.
>>138930506
Even the damage-controlling Asukfag knows it's true. He may be trying too hard to make Asuka fans look better than they are, but even he can't deny that the toiletposter has been a pest and a plague for many years now.
He's been here for some time.
>>138930178
>If claiming he's "equally retarded"
I said that his toiletposting is equally retarded. Posting "Rei is a toilet" and is equally as retarded as spamming "Asuka is a tranny." Both of that spam does nothing but hurt these threads.
>Then you wanted proof of asukafags supporting him, and you got it
My bad, I didn't read through those responses properly and thought they were about reifags. I was expecting a link or image from the archives or something.
I wasn't asking for proof of support as if it didn't happen. I just wanted to know if you had proof of it. Whether you want to believe it or not, it was legitimate curiosity.
>>138930273
I said that his toilet posting spawned as a response to the tranny poster. If I was saying he himself spawned from it, I would've said as much.
>Then you also said he was "equally retarded", and then later you had to admit that he was much worse.
His toilet posting is as retarded as the tranny posting. Fireposter as a person is worse for the quality of these threads as a whole. How is that hard to understand?
>>138930519
Misato a best.
>>138929570
>Black plastic crate with Nerv logo stenciled on
>$40
>>138930625
see >>138930546
You're only digging your own grave man. Not reading the posts of others and the automatically assuming they're wrong, and if you think posting non-anime related images of something random referencing Rei, as opposed to actual NGE-caps+text is equally retarded, you're definitely doing damage control.
Then changing your story post-fact is just.... well it's sad ARK.
You're not convincing anyone here today, do the dignified thing and accept that you were wrong and bow out.
>>138928872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9e4csjwvH8
>>138930650
>You will never see Teenage Misato pilot Adam
>>138930625
But that's the thing. The Fireposter, or even just his posting isn't "equally retarded". It's worse and you know it. Quite clearly posting toilets to the point where you get banned multiple times is worse, it has nothing to do with Evangelion and it's just pure, unadulterated shitposting. He's so bad that the trannything comes out as a clearly preferable presence, as virtually everyone besides you and the toiletposter agrees.
Right now, you're doing damage control for Asukafags, and failing at it. Worse of all, you're taking the toiletposter's side.
>>138927129
Cheezus christ didnt know that it was THAT bad.
Re-take fag #2 reporting in
>>138930598
sauce: your ass again
>>138930892
If Asukafags only knew how obnoxious they were.
Can we please talk about Eva instead of metashit?
>>138930853
>pilot Adam
>>138930465
> That Rei completes arc as a character stands as a huge bonus to Rei when comparing her to other characters.
I think Asukas Arc get completed but in a much more subtle way with her interaction with Shinji during near-instrumentallity, where she is his counterpart that even mocks him for still being dependant on others. Something she resolved during the MP eva fight, which got no closure in that regard but got confirmed in that scene with Shinji.
And it's not like I say she becomes completely independant like a polar poopsite of Shinji in that scene, noone does, which was the point.
They both where in a extreme of being
completely dependant and realized that this extreme is wrong
>>138930892
Some people are really dedicated to their shitposting.
I really wish they'd shown all of Unit 01's first activation test. There's very little art of Yui in her plugsuit
>>138931011
That lack of closure you mention, and lack of agency on Asuka's part is a flaw which Rei doesn't have. So Rei's character does appear stronger, despite how Rei has fewer lines of dialogue.
I think this completeness of her arc is one of the things which makes Rei the superior character. You could also go on about how Rei stands as objectively superior in terms of ability, power and stature, given that she's a goddess and whatnot. Technically, Asuka could call Rei "mommy" since Rei, technically, spawned Asuka.
>>138930465
>Rei goes more fundamental and asks some philosophical questions, meaning she goes deeper into the themes and thus has more depth.
For example?
Only thing I can think of is her speech about the mountains and sky.
>>138930742
I was expecting something else, so I didn't register a simple string of replies with no context other than "See." Like I said, my bad. I was hoping for something a little more, but thanks anyway.
>>138930876
The tranny poster posts images that aren't just from the show, remember? He has shit fanart of her with muscles or of her being fat. And that tranny posting isn't suddenly not pure, unadulterated shitposting just because he posts pictures of a character.
When it comes down to it, they're both shit. I'm not defending either of them; I'm decrying the both of them. Instead of saying shit like " He's so bad that the trannything comes out as a clearly preferable presence" why don't you simply agree that they're both a blight on these threads?
You're so worried about who's on who's side that you want to interpret me as being on his side? Really? You're far to wrapped up in these stupid politics.
Seems like the typical evafags are all reunited here.
We are only missing one Re-take fag and the Angry autist that talks shit about Re-take and we are complete
>>138931222
You've already mentioned some, so that would be enough.
Personally, I like the bit she has in episode 25. It's more direct, and it's not direct in a bad way, because given Rei's situation, her characterization and so forth, it's actually a legit question to have and a legit confusion to have.
It's easy to ask a philosophical question but it's hard to make a character have a reason to ask it believably, and even harder to actually assess it and come with some form of conclusion.
>>138931287
>typical evafags
>referencing one thread last week
>>138931285
>I was expecting something else
You were doing damagecontrol, as you're doing for yourself now. Don't you get that every single post you make just embarrasses you further?
>>138931358
This has been going on for months if not years, you fucking tripfag.
>>138931160
> That lack of closure you mention
> I think Asukas Arc get completed but in a much more subtle way
Just because something is more subtle, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Power etc. is completely irrelevant, when you talk about characters.
>>138931285
Why are you defending the rewnowned asukafag shitposter ARK? Just because he's an Asukafag? You've admitted he's worse before, and now you're trying to pretend they're somehow equal?
and no, even muscle-girl Asuka isn't even close to being as offtopic as pictures of toilets. Go ahead, post some muscle-girl Rei and see how many are angry, post some muscle Shinji, Asuka or Toji and see how many care.
>He's so bad that the trannything comes out as a clearly preferable presence" why don't you simply agree that they're both a blight on these threads?
>You're so worried about who's on who's side that you want to interpret me as being on his side? Really? You're far to wrapped up in these stupid politics.
Because those are the actual facts, that even asukafags, even you in an earlier post, agrees.
It so happens, like usual, that the Asukafags come out worse, which means you clog up the thread with butthurt. Admit that you're worse.
>>138931384
I wasn't doing damage control then, and I'm not doing it now. I conceded a point to you. Are you too fucking flustered to realize that?
>>138931393
"typical evafags" encompasses a whole lot more.
>>138925889
>>138931505
I wonder what a full on
Toilet-Tranny-Faggot-Faggotlust-Jock-Glasseswhore.
Moetron would look like
>>138931443
>Just because something is more subtle, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's not just subtle, it's not really there. Fan imagination doesn't quite count, and if it's subtle then a more clear cut conclusion and action from Rei clearly comes out stronger anyway.
Conclusion's the same, Rei is superior.
>Power etc. is completely irrelevant, when you talk about characters.
It's another form of comparison if you wanted to compare further, as we've more or less concluded the current comparison of their character.
Some compare personality traits, ability, looks, there's many ways to do it. There's sure to be some Asuka is better at, although like you said, the're not really important.
>>138931498
I see you still defending yourself. Yes, that is damage-control. Stop posting now that it's conceded, or don't. It's over.
>>138931484
I'm not defending him though.
>now you're trying to pretend they're somehow equal?
I see the tranny posting as being just as obnoxious as the toilet posting.
>It so happens, like usual, that the Asukafags come out worse
Again, you're too wrapped up in politics. You're too obsessed with demanding that one group be shit above all that you can't agree to the simple fact that both are shitposters that should stop.
>>138931642
Yeah, when people misinterpret what I say, I tend to correct them. It's a shame that's such a crime in your eyes.
>>138931011
>>138931160
Reminder that Asuka got over her issues after realizing her mother was in 02, protecting her all the time.
>>138931339
True, it's impressive but I wouldn't say her character has more depth than Asuka.
Asuka just gets way more focus, it's almost unfair.
>>138931787
>Reminder that Asuka got over her issues after realizing her mother was in 02, protecting her all the time.
Which doesn't speak well for Asuka's character, as it's more or less giving up and ending it with a plot device.
It's not a good thing, and it's arguable whether or not she got over her issues. The only thing from that scene is the fact that she was able to pilot again, not because of her character but because of the EVA.
>>138931582
>Fan imagination
Asuka literally calls him out on the shit she did herself before. Standing there as someone who basically lectures him.
She was at that point someone who resolved her issues and when confronted with someone like her past self, she calls him out on the flaws. That's pretty completed in my book
>>138931787
>>138931866
Too quick on the reply-buttan.
>True, it's impressive but I wouldn't say her character has more depth than Asuka.
I would.
>Asuka just gets way more focus, it's almost unfair.
You don't need to have the most focus, or a good amount - just enough. Which Rei has.
>>138931787
>>138931866
it doesn't solve anything because she still has 100% of her personality tied to her job as an eva pilot
>>138931901
>Asuka literally calls him out on the shit she did herself before. Standing there as someone who basically lectures him.
It's fan imagination.
In NGE, these "Asuka's" are the same a the ritsuko's, the shinji's, the gendo's etc... who are speaking to Shinji not as themselves, but as agents of instrumentality. Remember, only the case of Shinji Ikari is considered in the final. The exception is if anyone, Rei given she's got different dialogue and guides more.
>She was at that point someone who resolved her issues and when confronted with someone like her past self, she calls him out on the flaws. That's pretty completed in my book
It's also unfortunate that it's entirely fan imagination, and can be likened to fanfiction.
>>138929662
This anon gets it.
>>138931919
More or less, yes.
Now compare with Rei, who has confronted herself in real life and her demons, and been able to conclude on them herself. EoE ups the ante by taking Rei straight home and to the finish line by having her defy and defeat Gendo, whilst returning to her original form, the interesting bit here is that she carries with her her emotions, and experience into the hereafter as Lilith. It's quite powerful stuff and the culmination of a character since NGE.
Not simply a plot-device EVA powerup that "changes the character", but you don't quite know how, why or even what.
>>138931986
You are aware, that I'm talking right now about the kitchen scene in EoE, right?
Just link that scene for example to the bathroom scene of ep 22'
>>138931393
Die.
>>138932072
>You are aware, that I'm talking right now about the kitchen scene in EoE, right?
I am aware, and the same goes for Asuka in that scene. Saying "No" doesn't exactly show any good growth here, and you can't even rule out that it's not Asuka but a figment of Shinji's imagination.
Moving on to the train scene later in EoE, Asuka does the exact opposite of showing understanding and growth by demanding the absolute devotion and attention from Shinji, something as the show will point out through example, is impossible.
Don't forget that this scene does not show the growth of the character, because for all intents and purposes, it ended when it died against the MP-EVA's. The growth from thereon is not shown, and the result don't speak well of mental stability or growth.
She's not "dead" of course, but hat is because of instrumentality.
>>138930249
>thinking autistic waifu threads represent entire Eva fandom
Most people here just have the good sense to avoid them like the plague. There's a decent thread once in a blue moon. They get better when there's some actual news to talk about, hence why the last truly good Eva threads were the ones around the time of the Bluray release. They'll probably be largely shit until we get some concrete info about 3.0+1.0.
>>138931866
>it's arguable whether or not she got over her issues.
Alright, that's correct.
>not because of her character but because of the EVA.
Because of her mother, rather.
She choose to pilot after getting encouragement, I don't see the problem.
>>138931914
>You don't need to have the most focus, or a good amount - just enough. Which Rei has.
But more focus gives more room for development and going in depth. Asuka has more of that. And while that doesn't make her a better character, what you said about Rei being about more philosophical themes doesn't make her either. Maybe that's just my opinion but dealing with personal, psychological issues can be just as deep, especially in Eva.
>>138932439
>But more focus gives more room for development and going in depth. Asuka has more of that. And while that doesn't make her a better character,
You more or less answered yourself there. Also, you were the one who spoke of Rei as being more heavy on the philosophical themes.
Most importantly, it's how Rei is more complete and successful as a character without having overabundant focus that makes her superior.
>>138932220
>Moving on to the train scene later in EoE
I really don't know which scene you mean. The "sex" scene, right before Shinjis change of mind ?
>>138932439
>Because of her mother, rather.
>She choose to pilot after getting encouragement, I don't see the problem.
It's not simply encouragement. It's a full-blown plot-device event that instead of developing Asuka's character, flips a switch and ignores her character's develpoment for the rest of the movie.
It's sweeping all of her character's issues under the rug, indirectly admitting that they weren't able to make Asuka a full character, so now she's relegated to being a plot device. When you simply give the character magic motivation, you undermine all the development up until that point, and create shallow wish-fulfillment.
>>138932626
The train scene, where they are in a train. There's only one.
>toilet-poster returns after ban-evading
Oh boy. To think that Asuka fans actually defended this guy.
>>138932768
No one is defending him.
>>138932768
All according to keikaku.
>>138932694
> Moving on to the train scene later in EoE (from the kitchen scene)
dafuq? Just rewatched the whole thing from the kitchen scene on. There is none.....at least not in my german version
> kitchen scene
> LSD
> Tang
> LSD
> Live action
> sea of LCL
> end of instrumentallity
> One more final
>>138933024
ten gazillion wattoseconds in google m8
>>138932541
>you were the one who spoke of Rei as being more heavy on the philosophical themes.
No, >>138930465 did.
>Most importantly, it's how Rei is more complete and successful as a character without having overabundant focus that makes her superior.
But we were talking about which character has more depth, not which one is more successful or complete.
>>138932641
>instead of developing Asuka's character
It literally changes her perspective and makes her develop.
>flips a switch and ignores her character's develpoment
Like every time 01 goes berserk?
>When you simply give the character magic motivation, you undermine all the development up until that point, and create shallow wish-fulfillment.
Like Shinji?
>>138933126
>It literally changes her perspective and makes her develop.
It changes her, but just change isn't character development. Consider a timeskip period of 15 years, the difference there that's enabled by the timeskip plot-device doesn't equate to character development.
>Like every time 01 goes berserk?
>Like Shinji?
Shinji's character wasn't finished by his EVA going berserk. When his EVA went berserk, it blacked him out and we fleshed out his character instead.
Quite the difference.
>>138933126
>But we were talking about which character has more depth, not which one is more successful or complete.
We were talking about which character was the best or superior, being complete and successful (in terms of concluding) weighs in heavily.
But as far as depth go, we've got a very arbitrary standard that's hard to define, really. Rei's character definitely digs deeper into the soul than Asuka does, about existence itself.
Asuka is more emotive and specific in her condition, I suppose, which is one form of depth.
>if you don't vomit out a textwall, you're shitposting
Wot in the olll FECK lad.
>>138933323
>complaining about discussion
No anon, you are the shitposter
>>138933354
>responding to shitposting asukafags
>>138933417
>responding to the response to the shitposting asukafags
>>138933276
Shinji is granted his character development by Instrumentality just like Asuka is granted hers by her mother.
>>138933354
>discussion
>same things we've already discussed
I'm getting real sick of all this window dressing and pretense about "discussion". These threads shouldn't even exist.
>>138933468
If you don't want to discuss it, then you're free to leave the thread.
>>138933484
That's no fun.
>>138933437
No, because Shinji has been developing for the whole film up until that point through interaction and moving on, and once instrumentality hits, he's still being developed as the main character the story follows. Asuka is present for cameo-like scenes where she's not 'herself' but a representation of the Asuka in Shinji's mind.
Asuka is quite literally passive the entire time, and is carried into the EVA, to wake up there for a fight, and she's been unconscious for a good episode or two depending on how you see it.
Shinji has his progress to show to, going from A to B and then C, till he gets to Z. Asuka just hops from A to maybe K or L, we can't really say for sure. Might still be at A.
>>138933436
>responding to the responding to the response to the shitposting asukafags
>>138933276
There is no timeskip. You see it happen. What's the problem.
People change based on their environment and how they get influenced by others. Asukas character is well established and we understand the impact the scene has on her and why it changes her. It suits her character and Evas nature so what's the fucking problem.
>Shinji's character wasn't finished by his EVA going berserk.
Technically, Asukas character gets finished during instrumentality. We just aren't shown the conclusion. As mentioned earlier, it's possible that her mother didn't change her in the long term. And before you shit on Asuka, they do that with everyone, except Shinji.
>we fleshed out his character instead
???
Also what about when Kaji tells him to pilot the Eva in episode 19 (?). What a fucking plot device Shinji didn't develop on his own.
See, you are just making it sound worse than it really is.
>>138932058
She does it totally nude too, which I like because it kinda represents how she successfully answered the question "who am I?"eyah asher eyah
>>138933581
How so? Shinji is catatonic for nearly the entire movie, and then he turns around during Instrumentality. It is slightly more gradual but there's still literally a point where Shinji says "this is wrong" and concludes that he doesn't want everyone to be dead anymore.
Yall keep talking about this toilet guy and it'll just encourage him.
Rei x Asuka btw
WE WILL NEVER BE FREE.
BUT WE WILL HIT THE BUMP LIMIT.
>>138933063
finally. Of course I did remember that scene. But it was before that kitchen scene. Not after, which confused the fuck out of me.
Acknowledging your previous flaws in others and stating what you expect from them if they want something from you are completely different things.
Her stating that he can't love anyone and he doesn't even like himself, that he runs away from others, because he is afraid of them and even mocking him, when he makes his life dependant on the help of others
has nothing to do with what she expects from him, if he "wants" her. That line wasn't about "absolute devotion". She directly adressed him jerking off to her. She says, if he just wants her sexually, he can fuck off. He has to want her as a person and not as a object.
>>138933796
You really need to cut this shipping bullshit.
>>138933677
>There is no timeskip. You see it happen. What's the problem.
It's a comparison. Like the case in EoE, you see it happen, only it's not detailed or worked in how or why it happened. That's what happens with Asuka in EoE, surely you can attest to a change, but when you can't actually divine what sort of change it is or what it means for the character, save for the obvious fact that it's different, it's not what you'd call character development. A change, but not a sequence of well-made character evolution.
>Technically, Asukas character gets finished during instrumentality. We just aren't shown the conclusion. As mentioned earlier, it's possible that her mother didn't change her in the long term. And before you shit on Asuka, they do that with everyone, except Shinji.
Since when did retelling NGE's story or EoE's story shitting on Asuka?
Like you said Asuka's conclusion isn't shown and neither is the character detailed enough to actually tell what's gone on with it. Hence you're left with fan imagination, but the character itself can actually be construed to have taken a huge dip in quality, to being almost bad.
Also, they don't do that with everyone (consider Rei), and you were the one that brought up Shinji, not me. We were discussing Asuka and Rei.
>Also what about when Kaji tells him to pilot the Eva in episode 19 (?). What a fucking plot device Shinji didn't develop on his own.
Character interaction anon, Shinji runs, he listens, he is Shinji changing and acting. Kaji didn't wave his wand and had Shinj change.
You're trying (and failing) to make it sound better than it actually is.
>>138925889
Is that Asuka with Rei's hair and Rei with Asuka's hair or Rei with orange hair and red plug suit and Asuka with blue hair and white plugsuit?
>>138933749
>How so? Shinji is catatonic for nearly the entire movie
This is false. Shinji is in the very beginning walking around on his own, even trying to communicate with others. He hits a low but not for long.
Asuka here is the one who is actually catatonic, being unable even to move or talk, something Shinji is capable of.despite sluggishly. After that, he picks up.
It's not just "slightly more gradual", it's actually there, as in it is visually, physically present within the movie and not just an implication of something having happened.
>>138933804
That is not what she says. She says almost literally what I produced of a paraphrasing earlier. You've twisted her words into something she didn't say, which is fallacious.
Either way, Asuka here needs not be the actual asuka as earlier pointed out. Merely a reflection of Shinji's psyche, as they were in for instance NGE. If she is Asuka, she doesn't show any understanding or development of her own, as previously mentioned.
When Shinji, Rei or other characters rationally think their way through something, they develop. Asuka doesn't do anything but adopt the same hostile persona she's known for, which is fitting for Shinji's instrumentality which is the actual focus.
Asuka was more or less abandoned as a character in NGE, so she could be a plot device.
>>138934169
Anon, Shinji hits his low almost immediately and then just sits there until nearly the end of Instrumentality. He's dragged around by Misato and then dominated by the Lance, MP Eva and Lilith. He only takes control of the situation again once he decides he wants to live again and rips out of Lilith. Everything before that his him being dragged around.
>>138934169
translating from the german version here
>masturbation scene flashback
"I know. You use me to get turned on. Go on. Do it like you always do. I'll watch"
> Cut to the train scene.
"If I can't have you completely, I don't want you at all. Do you understand?"
And then Shinji goes on saying how he is afraid of being abandoned.
How is that comparable to her calling Shinji out on flaws she had before, which she acknowledged. I mean the parallel to the bathroom scene in ep 22' is not that subtile
>>138933955
>it's not detailed or worked in how or why it happened.
That's why we had NGE build it up. We knew the Asuka and that her mother was the root of her issues. Why and how it affects Asuka the way she does is pretty clear.
>neither is the character detailed enough to actually tell what's gone on with it
Why not.
>Character interaction anon
Asukas mother telling her she's there for her isn't?
>Kaji didn't wave his wand and had Shinj change.
So it's not character development if the character doesn't doubt something and thinks about something for 10 minutes until reaching a conclusion.
Again, it's the setup. We know Asuka, we know how it would affect her. There was no need for more.
>>138934512
>Anon, Shinji hits his low almost immediately
No, he's been walking around and doing stuff for the beginning of the movie, and since the series goes on.
Asuka starts off not even being able to move. No comparison.
>>138935031
Shinji is dragged around by people and maybe he shiftlessly wanders when he's not being dragged. He also almost lets someone kill him. The two are basically in the same position. The ability to walk means nothing.
>>138934832
>That's why we had NGE build it up. We knew the Asuka and that her mother was the root of her issues. Why and how it affects Asuka the way she does is pretty clear.
NGE builds up the character but doesn't finish it. EoE doesn't really finish it either. Development is observed, not imagined.
>Why not.
Because you, and what I presume is another anon has to agree that you can't actually tell what's going on with the character, what was resolved and what wasn't.
>So it's not character development if the character doesn't doubt something and thinks about something for 10 minutes until reaching a conclusion.
You're exaggerating because you lack an argument.
You need far more, or the character is incomplete. Consider that Shinji, Rei and others have shown development, while Asuka hasn't.
It's bad.
>>138934720
>How is that comparable to her calling Shinji out on flaws she had before, which she acknowledged. I mean the parallel to the bathroom scene in ep 22' is not that subtile
Asuka isn't calling anyone out on their flaws, she's projecting, which is why the more developed and in-control Shinji can call her out on that. Same happened in NGE.
Then, this:
>"If I can't have you completely, I don't want you at all. Do you understand?"
is unhealthy as hell, combined with the hostile stance she has throughout, which is my point.
>>138935101
>can't actually tell what's going on with the character, what was resolved and what wasn't.
The kitchen scene made that pretty fucking clear.
>>138935097
Stop right there anon.
Shinji was walking around and talking, moving for the entire series save when he was turned into tang, and he continues to do so until we approach the mid-part of the movie. HE walks to the lake, he walks around NERV, and walks into Asuka's, tries to speak with her, and then jerks off.
THen his low hits.
At all possible points, Shinji is more active than Asuka. At every single point, because Asuka is literally motionless and unable to speak or even see. Shinji is dragged around, but Asuka can't even be dragged around.
They are not in the same position, at all. Asuka's condition is far worse and she is far more passive.
This is an indisputable fact.
The toilet meme is forced but its himarious watching people get upset over it
>>138935164
It didn't. There is no development, and it still is just fan imagination. Fanfiction inserted in place of canon.
Canonically, Asuka saying "no" doesn't mean character development and is better interpreted as "the asuka in shinji's mind" rather than Asuka herself.
>>138935146
>is unhealthy as hell,
context anon. The masturbation flashback literally played seconds before that.
Refusing to be a sextoy isn't exaclty unhealthy.
>>138935270
With or without context, it does not showcase the healthy development or the
It only shows the "matter of course" revival of Asuka into a mental plane, which is due to instrumentality, not Asuka herself. There is no character development to this point, for all intents and purposes, a non-sequiteur.
Asuka is matter of factly abandoned as a character in EoE, to be showcased as a plot device and mouthpiece.
>>138935223
Both are equally disempowered. We assume Shinji moves on his own but it's never actually shown. Why is that do you think? It's to give the impression that Shinji's movements are basically just him wandering with no will or sense of direction. The only time we actually see Shinji move is when he's being moved by other agents. That isn't any better than being catatonic like Asuka is.
Also, when does he speak to anyone? He makes some vague demands to Asuka's nonresponsive body but he never actually communicates with anyone.
>>138935269
> I hate everything but I hate myself the most
> You can't love anything, you don't even like yourself
Clearly no parallel there
>>138935396
Clearly no point from you. None of that is healthy or improvement, much less development. Especially if it was stated in NGE, meaning there's literally no development.
>>138935353
>Both are equally disempowered.
Objectively wrong. One is literally motionless and bedridden. The other is walking, talking, and even taking advantage of the other.
Quit being stupid please, I've had it with you being dumb.
>Also, when does he speak to anyone? He makes some vague demands to Asuka's nonresponsive body but he never actually communicates with anyone.
Which is precisely what I said.
Asuka is 100% nonresponsive. Shinji is awake, lucid and capable of moving and doing whatever he pleases.
>>138935583
Moving without intent or purpose is exactly the same as not moving without intent or purpose.
Also using the word "objective" does not make you correct, it just makes you look like an idiot who's obsessed with seeming correct.
I'll also mention that both Shinji and Asuka had the same will to live, which is to say none whatsoever.
>>138935516
Sure, because acknowledging your flaws and going against them is clearly unhealthy and not an improvement.
Stay depressed people....or in /a/ fashion kill yourselves
>>138935704
It's over, the matter was settled. You're objectively wrong.
The difference has been pointed out. There's nothing else you can do but concede.
One is literally motionless and bedridden. The other is walking, talking, and even taking advantage of the other.
Quit being stupid please, I've had it with you being dum
>>138935765
None of that is acknowledging her own flaws though, nor is it development in EoE.
>>138935101
>what's going on with the character, what was resolved and what wasn't.
Asuka wants to be mature and strong because her mother didn't love her.
Asuka is sad because nothing goes the way she wants it.
She gets depressed because she's bad at piloting her robot.
She gets thrown into a lake and bombed.
Her mother appears in front of her and encourages her.
Asuka realizes that her mother didn't hate her but that she was actually inside 02, protecting her all this time.
Asuka doesn't have to be scared that nobody loves her and that she's alone anymore. The root of her psychological issues is literally gone and she starts piloting 02 again. In the whole series she wasn't as joyful as after she realized that.
>You're exaggerating because you lack an argument.
Ok, how about this. The way it was handled was subtle.
>and others
Who?
>while Asuka hasn't.
Which is bullshit. Stuff like her relationship with Shinji and how she views hime develops over time. Yes that part of her development.
On another note though, a character doesn't need development to be a good and deep character.
>>138935936
>Ok, how about this. The way it was handled was subtle.
It wasn't just subtle.
It was non-existent. It wasn't there. It was handwaved. It's a bad character ending.
>Which is bullshit. Stuff like her relationship with Shinji and how she views hime develops over time. Yes that part of her development.
We're considering Asuka's final developments, not the fact that she has development in NGE.
>On another note though, a character doesn't need development to be a good and deep character.
So characters don't need development now?
>>138935704
>Moving without intent or purpose is exactly the same as not moving without intent or purpose.
Shinji moves just fine in NGE, Asuka couldn't even if she wanted to. That's the difference.
Shinji has intent and purpose when he's walking down to the lake where Kaworu died, or when he's trying to communicate with Asuka. Even when he jerks off.
Asuka is a comatose masturbation tool at this point.
Please don't be a shit asukafag butthurt loser because you can't deal with what NGE is and how bad Asuka actually is. Don't drag Shinji down into the mud.
>>138935936
>asukafag can't defend Asuka not having character development in EoE
>claims characters don't need character development to begin with
Really, NGE, a series which prides itself on the development of it's characters, the one thing it's actually praised for, isn't necessary? The simple thing to do at this point is to just concede that Asuka's character is incomplete and more of a plot device and a foil to Shinji.
Why is it that even when there's discussion, Asuka fans manage to consistently be so horribly bad at understanding NGE, and why do they always deny the truth ?
It's almost as if their entire fandom is based on a live they've told themselves.
>>138935913
You still haven't come to terms with the fact that both of them are in nearly identical mental states. The fact that one maintains his ability to move isn't important in the slightest, because any time he does move it's at the behest of another or he's just wandering. I would even argue that Shinji taking advantage of Asuka isn't something he wants to do, he simply feels a primal urge and acts on it without thinking.
>>138936001
>It was non-existent. It wasn't there. It was handwaved. It's a bad character ending.
He just explained how the character developed. You can't just say he didn't.
>>138936101
Does he? The movie just opens on that lake, and the next scene is him with Asuka. I would argue that a hard, nontransitioned cut like that indicates that Shinji wasn't really at either place of his own accord, and that he just happened to wander into both places.
Also this
>Please don't be a shit asukafag butthurt loser because you can't deal with what NGE is and how bad Asuka actually is.
is retarded. You're basically saying that I can't understand NGE unless I hate Asuka just like you.
>>138936162
> Objectively wrong
> Quit being stupid please, I've had it with you being dumb.
> It's over, the matter was settled. You're objectively wrong.
> There's nothing else you can do but concede
> Quit being stupid please, I've had it with you being dum
> The simple thing to do at this point is to just concede
Dude. This condecending shit. Just end your life. You are part of what makes the fanbase shit
>>138936001
>It was non-existent. It wasn't there.
Weird because I wrote about it and described it.
>It's a bad character ending.
Because you said so?
>So characters don't need development now?
A character doesn't need development to be a good and deep character.
>>138936162
Saying that a character is bad or not deep because it doesn't develop as much as another character is downright retarded.
>>138936330
No, you are. Because every single one of those greentexts those anons deserved.
Saying that they are "the exact same" or "equally de-empowered" when one is performing swedish rape on Asuka, while Asuka can do nothing, is utter and complete insanity and just shows how dumb you really are.
>>138936303
>You still haven't come to terms with the fact that both of them are in nearly identical mental states.
No. You still haven't come to terms with reality.
One is literally unconscious, motionless and unable to do anything whatsoever.
The other is desperately seeking contact, very much alive and lucid.
The difference is objective, undeniable, and nothing you say will change that. Nothing.
>>138936330
You were objectively wrong.
You were being stupid for denying that, despite the overwhelming facts and evidence that you were wrong.
The matter was over once we brought up the facts.
There really is nothing you can do more than concede, because the facts are on the table.
You really should quit being stupid, because if you weren't stupid you'd have realized that there's literally nothing you can say or do that disproves these facts.
It really is simpler to concede than to be butthurt like you are now.
Is it condescending? Only because you're lowering yourself to utter retardation. Your denial, your butthurt and your complete inability to hold a rational discussion is what makes the fanbase shit.
Evangelion makes a point that you should accept reality, even if it hurts you. Reality is that Asuka is that much weaker than Shinji, Rei and the rest basically. That she is THAT much more disempowered than the rest by the end.
>>138936388
Not the anon arguing about the mobility thing but how does that matter?
Shinji is jerking off to Asuka so he has character development?
>>138936303
>He just explained how the character developed. You can't just say he didn't.
You can only show character development through direct reference to scenes where it happens. His (somewhat faulty) interpretation of the character doesn't make for character development.
The very point being made since the start is that Asuka's latter-character development is strictly speaking, forced and unrealistic. It is also undermining her entire character by offering a quick, cheap solution that by the time she dies, solved exactly zero of her issues concerning herself.
>>138936480
>Reality is that Asuka is that much weaker than Shinji, Rei and the rest basically. That she is THAT much more disempowered than the rest by the end.
I could disagree on Asuka being the weakest but what does that have to do with her character depth and development in any way?
>>138936486
The anon in question is arguing that "they're the exact same", meaning they're equally mobile, equally dis-empowered, and of equal mental state.
Which based on what the movie shows you directly, could not be further than the truth.
He's not going to get away by pretending they're the same.
The whole "Shinji angle" being brought in is his strawman, because he needs to attack Shinji since he can't defend Asuka's lack of development.
You are witnessing Asuka fan waifufaggotry at it's basic level.
>>138936602
Nope different anon. I, the on who called out out on baing a condecending fuck was the guy focused on asuka, kitchen and train scene
![[Commie] Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion v2 [BD 1080p AAC] [C65D0141].mkv_snapshot_00.17.54_[2016.03.21_21.13.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SJL8fEi.jpg "[Commie] Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion v2 [BD 1080p AAC] [C65D0141].mkv_snapshot_00.17.54_[2016.03.21_21.13.45].jpg")
>>138936480
>The other is desperately seeking contact, very much alive and lucid.
Here is Shinji, alive and lucid, desperately seeking contact as he nearly allows JSDF mooks to murder him.
>>138936602
It's not a strawman. I'm drawing a connection between the characters (as they are extremely similar) and asking why you rail against Asuka for these reasons when Shinji does many of the same things. I'm not trying to drag either one through the mud, I love them both as characters. You're the one trying to drag Asuka through the mud and even go so far as to imply that you need to dislike Asuka in order to understand NGE and EoE, which is pure nonsense.
>>138926879
>what are hipbones?
>>138936581
>I could disagree on Asuka being the weakest but what does that have to do with her character depth and development in any way?
It has to do with the fact that the anon I replied to seems unable to accept that Asuka is in EoE, less active, less aware, and has less agency than her pilot peers.
...and yes, Asuka is the weakest of them. Quite objectively so.
This has to do with her depth and development in the following manner:
NGE wrote Asuka into such a corner that there is no realistic recovery possible sans complete magical recovery through instrumentality. The recovery is so unlikely and so impossible to showcase within EVA's story, that the only way they saw fit was to abandon her character and instead, continue to use Asuka as a plot device and foil for Shinji, which is a role she is still usable for.
It requires nothing from Asuka whatsoever, only that she lies still. Refer to the masturbation scene.
As a consquence, Asuka's character ends both in NGE as in EoE, incomplete. But due to this fundamental incompleteness, it leaves fanboys free to self-insert and insert whatever fantasy they see fit. The character as is, lacks final developments to the end.
Compared with Shinji or Rei, even Misato who had that sort of agency and willpower left, their characters could conclude without being entirely passive. They still had something to do, and developments of their own.
They weren't magically "fixed".
>>138936701
The condescending statements are all one hundred percent deserved. Stop lying to yourself and others in this thread if you don't want to be called out on it.
Honesty lasts the longest. Trying to force a bluff that the near-comatose Asuka is as immobile as Shinji "fast-fingers" Ikari is downright insulting.
>>138936755
Shinji is fixed through the unlikely and impossible event of Instrumentality. How is this any different from how Asuka is saved?
Rei is a toilet bowl
>>138936538
>You can only show character development through direct reference to scenes where it happens.
Why? We watched Eva and know what we are talking about.
Also, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>>138936819
This. 2 Hours and we are back at the beginning.
>>138936712
>Here is Shinji, alive and lucid, desperately seeking contact as he nearly allows JSDF mooks to murder him.
Even just by the act of sitting, he is more lucid and aware than the Asuka who is lying down.
Simply by walking over to Asuka and rubbing off a quick one on her, makes him mountains above Asuka in terms of consciousness.
>>138936812
>Shinji "fast-fingers" Ikari is downright insulting.
I bet you actually cheered when Shinji masturbated over Asuka. What the fuck.
>>138936881
>Both are accepting whatever another person wants to do to them
Please continue to tell me how the two are so very, very different.
>>138936712
>It's not a strawman. I'm drawing a connection between the characters (as they are extremely similar) and asking why you rail against Asuka for these reasons when Shinji does many of the same things.
I'm going to get straight to the point.
Why are you, yes YOU, railing against Asuka? What exactly do you hate so much about Asuka, that you can't accept her canonical, real character?
Shinji is not similar to Asuka in this regard, this has been proven. Shinji is not comatose, he is not lying in a bed, no he is walking around, even trying to speak with Asuka, who does not respond.
You must really think Asuka is shit, if you even pretend she doesn't exist.
You don't love them as characters, if you did, you would not pretend they did not exist. If you have any love for these characters, accept the facts:
Asuka is near-comatose.
Shinji is not.
>>138936871
The absence of character development is in itself, the evidence of absence.
>>138936932
>>138936712
Let me put it this way, don't ever try to help someone in need. Ever.
If you ever went on to a crisis scene with people lying face down, you'd probably run over to the ones who are conscious and fleeing the scene instead of rendering assistance to the ones lying on the ground not responding.
I can't believe Asukafags are willing to debase themselves this much because they can't accept heir waifu is weak.
>>138931787
>Reminder that Asuka got over her issues after realizing her mother was in 02.
Incorrect. She got over her issues when she made the conscious choice not to die and THEN she realized after that her mother had always been protecting her.
Her depression, brought about because of her tying her identity as a pilot continued to push her down as her sync ratio lowered, the realization that Shinji seemed to care more about Rei than her, the admission that she felt like no one cared about her if she wasn't a pilot, and so many problems culminating in her mind rape and winding up in a catatonic state. Don't forget the scene where she was in the dirty bathtub with no clothes on, dehydrated, and filthy. She had hit rock bottom and wanted to die.
The scene where Asuka yells out that she doesn't want to die despite "losing" everything important to her (Shinji, her ability to pilot, and her reason for living) says a lot. Maybe the character development isn't as good as Shinji's or Rei's but it is there. There was a whole lot more going on that helped her get over her issues than just realizing that mommy loved her all along.
I just felt the need to point this out. I didn't read too much of the rest of the thread. This part just bothered me.
>>138936940
I don't accept your characterization of Asuka. I think you are wrong. I think that Shinji and Asuka have a multitude of clear parallels between them and that this is one of them. Why won't you accept that?
>>138937016
>Resorting to unambiguous ad hominem
Might be time to pack it in anon-kun, you're losing.
>>138937016
I can't believe you can't accept your waifu is a toilet
>>138936940
Wait. The other anon from before here.
Shinji IS mentally near-comatose.
Misato forced both to move again, even at about the same time.
>>138936897
Actually, I felt like stopping the film for a moment. It was offputting to the extreme. Makes me wonder what must be wrong with Asuka fans to consider this clear act of deprivation as a "declaration of love".
Anything can be used as shipping fuel apparently.
>>138936932
One is unconscious, the other is not. One has been actively fighting, walking around and seeing all sorts of horrors, while the other has been lying in the same bed for at least two or so episodes worth of time.
>>138937123
>Makes me wonder what must be wrong with Asuka fans to consider this clear act of deprivation as a "declaration of love".
No one but the most deluded does this.
>>138937117
>I don't accept your characterization of Asuka. I think you are wrong.
It's the anime's characterization of Asuka, not mine. I am literally retelling what the series told you, what it showed you.
Because of that, you can't accept Asuka or Shinji for who they are. You hate both characters because they aren't what you want them to be, your own shipping tools. That disgusts me.
So many Asuka fans don't actually like the character the profess their fandom of. They just want shipping, doujins and tsundere self-insertion. That Shinji and Asuka, along with Misato, Rei and even Gendo have parallels is not up for discussion here.
The fact that you have deluded yourself enough to deny the facts the series present you, are. Asuka is in a near-comatose state while Shinji is not. This is why Asuka is in the bed, and Shinji is walking around molesting 14 year old girls.
>>138937117
>Shinji IS mentally near-comatose.
Oh shove a sock in it.
Do you really need me to walk you through episode 24, and the beginning of EoE where he's walking around, something impossible for someone near-comatose?
Look at Asuka. That's near-comatose. Look at this image: >>138936881
THAT is near-comatose.
No she's not sleeping. Shaking her won't wake her up. Shinji tried.
Disheartening that Rei fans understand Asuka better than Asuka fans.
>>138937259
>Am i funny yet guys?? XDD
No, but kill yourself you galactical faggot.
>>138931556
>Jock
You mean Chad
>>138937363
Rei looks like a toilet
>>138937100
I forgot about the bathtub and yelling that she wants to live, holy shit.
>>138937123
>Makes me wonder what must be wrong with Asuka fans to consider this clear act of deprivation as a "declaration of love".
Nobody said that. Fuck off.
>>138937259
>he's still at it
>>138937399
In your blinded eyes maybe. Back your ugly tranny faggot.
>>138937282
>It's the anime's characterization of Asuka, not mine. I am literally retelling what the series told you, what it showed you.
No you aren't, you're presenting a twisted, bizarre argument that exists solely for the purpose of shitting on Asuka and elevating her above Shinji for no reason other than to "objectively" regard her as the "worst" because that's all that matters to you.
Also, in what way is a person who has to be dragged around even in a situation of clear and obvious danger not near comatose?
See, you think that being comatose is just a physical condition, but it's about what's going on in a person's head. It's about the ability to make meaningful decisions and take real directed actions on your own agency. Shinji and Asuka both cannot do this by EoE.
