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Jesus Christ Musashi!
how accurate is this picture? did they really do this in 15th century japan?
>>138910890
They did test blades by cutting bodies, yes.
Longer handles were used for those test. Antique "5 body" blades are still around.
However like most antiques the weapons which survived were not used in combat so that might just be claims.
>>138910890
hell this stopped in 1945, the japs would line up POW's and see how many heads they could cut off with a clean swipe.
>>138910890
Meanwhile I am pretty sure Yujiro could do this a chop
>>138911123
JAPANESE SO HONOURABLE
>>138910890
The samurai would usually cut up a servant when they had to test a new blade.
>>138911175
Yujiro could destroy a city block with a single punch,itaga ki completely fucked up his powerlevels thinking it would be impressie to bring a guy from the 16th century when Yujiro could stomp modern militaries.
He shou;ld have brough back to life the original Hanmas from the Levant.
>>138911242
It's Musashi though.
The man with an undefeated streak in an era where losing means death. Also who is Japanese.
You think Itagaki is gonna pull out Nasu shit? Nah. Nippon Strong
>>138910890
>Musashi
>15th century
>>138910890
It's called Tameshigiri. They eventually switched to bamboo because it's basically the same sort of consistency/difficulty to cut though as a human limb.
>>138911282
>The man with an undefeated streak in an era where losing means death.
Exactly my point managing to survive while fighting against normal samurai is not impressive compared to Yujiro defeating modern militaries.
>>138910890
Blades were indeed tested on dead bodies historically, to demonstrate they'd been forged well. There were different "test cuts", with the blade gaining in worth with each one successfully realized.
>>138911376
Please, Military nowadays are coddled by long range weapons, tanks, and other non infantry methods.
Hell a WW1 solider in his prime could probably murder two modern military.
>>138911326
>Tameshigiri
thanks for that word
>>138912013
A WWI soldier would probably get killed before he could even get a shot off. There is a reason why we strive for even longer range when developing shit for war. Tbh a modern soldier could probably beat an entire squad of 12 from WW1 unless they literally start of right infront of each others and even then he'd get at least three of them before dying.
Is this the western version of the "a good samurai could probably cut through a tank if he used the swords they made back then."
So is Retsu still kill?
>>138912013
>Hell a WW1 solider in his prime could probably murder two modern military
>>138912515
I meant in a fist fight dumbass
>>138912556
>in a fist fight
You seriously think random WW1 soldiers were even trained in physical combat?
>>138910890
there are a few records of them testing blades on corpses or live prisoners, but it was generally a bad idea if you wanted to use the blade afterwards. A katana is better at slicing, using it to try and chop through a spine would more likely lead to a chipped, bent, or broken sword.
>>138911282
>The man with an undefeated streak in an era where losing means death.
Wait, so EVERY swordsman alive would have an undefeated streak then
>>138912678
this, katans were shit
>>138912626
In an era where guns still took fuck long to load and Tanks were a luxury? Yes
>>138910890
yujironotimpressed.jpg
even kaku kaioh will eat musashi for breakfast.
>>138912937
>guns still took fuck long to load
>WW1
This isn't the 1800's anon. They weren't using matchlock rifles.
>>138912678
That actually makes the sword-wielding character more badass.
>>138912798
WEW LAD
>>138912937
In ww1 almost everyone had a straight-pull rifle and machine guns weren't rare. Those didn't take that long to reload even back then
>>138912013
Are you implying that a samurai is more dangerous than armed modern soldiers???????
Jesus
>>138912678
how the fuck does human bone bend japanese steel
>>138913505
These are the people we share a board with.
>>138913505
Protip: Jap steel was weak as piss due to how little iron they were able to mine. Hence the thousandfold folding, etc.
>>138913505
Bone tissue folded over 1 billion times
>>138912013
So a samurai can defeat tanks,attack helicopters,jets and icbm's?
We're talking about both of them being fully equiped you absolute fucking retard,literally kill yourself you piece of shit.
>>138913461
In hand to hand yes.
>>138913505
live bone is pretty fucking strong all things considered
>>138913687
You subhuman nigger,the whole point was that Yujiro can defeat modern fucking armies with modern fucking equipment and therefore Musashi beating other samurai is hardly impressive.
How accurate is this comparison?
>>138913687
You can be this fucking retarded
>>138912013
Even in hand to hand combat a modern soldier would absolutely demolish the average samurai,they are way bigger,physically stronger and better trained.
The average samurai was a small nip probably not even 160 cm tall and probably fed like shit not to mention training with a sword does not mean you are also good at hand to hand.I t would probably take like 3 or 4 samurai to take on a single marine.
>>138913564
If the metal doesn't bend, it breaks, it's not hard.
There's such a thing a too hard, if you want a really hard sword make it with bronze, but make a short sword, because otherwise it will break due to the lack of flexibility to absorb shocks.
A thin sword like a katana being bent have little to do with the metal alloy quality, this is just how physics works.
>>138910890
Did le author ever lean le anatomy.
>>138911326
>>138911242
Tsujigiri is funnier
>>138912831
except they broke so easily and were bad at parries
Its a shame. The katana is such a cool looking sword but when you really think about it, the katana really doesn't work that well for anything other than a draw cut
>>138912937
You're a fucking retard,my great grandpa fought in both ww1 and ww2 and there literally was no hand to hand training.
>>138914395
That's why they always use the *teleports behind you* slash.
>>138914395
Apparently it's good enough to stop a robbery in Argentina.
http://www.bestgore.com/bloody-injuries/attempted-robbery-thwarted-home-owner-wielding-katana-cordoba-argentina/
>>138914473
I just puked
>>138914492
>http://www.bestgore.com/bloody-injuries/attempted-robbery-thwarted-home-owner-wielding-katana-cordoba-argentina/
well yeah, a katana is a sword.... A shitty sword but a sword is a sword
>>138914444
Depends when he was drafted. If he was part of WW1 as a frenchman, german, russian, or one of the many early combatants, he would have been trained in the bayonet charge.
Once people realised the bayonet charge was dumb they stopped bothering.
This took 2 years though.
>>138914617
Romanian actually and he was drafted in early 1917,the old bastard lived up to 100.
>>138914721
Lucky grandpa, the romanians got fucking slammed by germany. Falkenhayn led the german attack on romania and sweeped them up. Romania entered the war late so didn't have the experience that the early combatants had.
Lucky as in lucky he didn't die.
>>138911236
bushido was pretty fucked as a code of ethics if you stop and examine it at all. those POWs surrendered, which makes them cowards and deserving of death. If they don't surrender, then that makes them scum for opposing the destiny of Grorious Nippon and deserving of death. and regardless of weather they surrendered or not they weren't members of the samurai caste so they never had any rights worth respecting in the first place.
>>138914823
It was fucked but it made them ferocious fighters. Those yellow skins were fierce as fuck.
>>138911236
It all depends on what you view as honorable.
Even neighboring countries in Europe had different views on what honor is. You can't expect that your modern views of human work in pre-WW2 Japan. Or any other place.
>>138913505
Because the steel used in katanas was pure shit, what did you think people folded that crap a zillion times, all the while screaming themselves to death about how boring the work was, for fun?
If I remember right, the vikings did discover a method to fold metal just like the japanese, but since they had acess to high quality metal they dropped that way of creating swords very fast, no point doing that if your metal is not full of impure shit.
>>138914789
True the Germans completely fucked us up in the early stages of the war,they did better after recovering with help from the French.My grandpa's brother wasn't so lucky though as he got shredded to bits bi artillery.
Old man also got shot in the arm at Stalingrad and was sent home sinc ehe was the only adult man left in the family,later he found out everyone in his division was killed just a couple days after he left.Those were pretty fascinating times,anyways sorry for getting off topic.
>>138915157
He was at stalingrad too?
Jesus christ, your grandfather managed to fight in two of the worst places in history; the trenches of WW1 and stalingrad. Probably number 1 and 2 worst place in the world ever.
>>138913540
>>138913564
>>138915002
>taking the bait
>>138915214
Well to be fair there were no trenches on the eastern front in ww1,those were main in the west since the space was way more confined.
>>138915338
> now lets tell em it was better than the longsword
>>138913751
Even baki can do that.
If the average samurai was above memetobe then it is impressive.
>>138915338
How do you differentiate genuinely retarded anons from bait?
Don't tell me no one is that retarded, because a lot of anons are.
>>138915434
true anon is retard and bait
>>138914559
It is a forgiving sword. It does everything well. It isn't the best, but it is good enough.
>>138915434
Doesn't matter, it has the same result.
Just call it bait or retarded at your your own discretion
>>138915610
just like me
>>138913505
Calcium is a hard metal. Cutting bone will bend any sword other than spring steel. It snaps spring steel.
>>138915423
So are you implying that all the samurai back then were hyperhuman?That's the only way that would make sense.Considering how outside the main fighters of the series the baki world is pretty similar to our own i simply assumed the samurai weren't much stronger than they were historically.
>>138915666
Actually calcium is a soft metal. The calcium in bones is a calcium compound, containing phosphorus and oxygen.
Which is a hard compound. Not as hard as steel though. However, it is very tough, and part of its toughness is a combination of light weight, flexibility (somewhat like wood) and moderate hardness.
>>138910890
I highly doubt you could cut through more than two people at most.Not unless you lined them up just perfect so it hit them all in the softest spot, but even then that looks like a silly amount of people.
>>138915859
its hard to get through one alone
>>138915886
You have to have something like a guillotine to even reliably get through a neck, let alone an entire torso.
The kind of force required to cut through 5 people is hydraulic press tier.
>>138912013
>Hell a WW1 solider in his prime could probably murder two modern military.
He gets shot
>>138915931
This fat fuck doesn't seem to have too many issues with cutting through a pig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbHjEK3Fc78
>>138915703
In terms of skill and technique, that's why musashi remarks how tough humans are these days, there were no fighters like oliva back then.
>>138916464
>>138916748
kek
>>138916748
>Cold Steel
>>138916632
Hey, no talking about Baki
>>138915002
it just seems pretty retarded that Japanese people use all these katanas and shit to slice up people up when they aren't even capable to cutting bone. It just seems like a small iron plate is all you need to defend against such a ??? weak weapon.
Why would they base their whole sword culture on such a crappy sword design it just doesn't make sense what people are saying.
>>138913885
this is also a good question. I heard the reason Musashi's double sword technique was special for that day and age because it kept the users center of balance at the naval.
but in practice it seems like user is always standing in bizarre, awkward looking poses that don't seem like they work.
Scimitar > Katanaif made with the same kind of steel
>>138912831
>katana's were shitty
>>138914213
>except that they were easily broken, and bad at parrying
>except
Are you retarded mate?
Musashi is the best thing that Itagaki could have freshed out baki wth.
he really is fun to read and an amusing character to follow and see develop in the modern times.
>>138918475
With iron being so impure and rare in Japan, they didn't have enough iron for suits of armor to be feasible, so most armor was layered leather and wood, which katanas cut through like a knife through butter.
Against a fully armored opponent, a nip would have hopped on his horse and ran away, or died like a little bitch.
new anime with the convicts arc when?
>>138918475
dual wielding works just fine as long as you use both swords at once. Parry and cut at the same time. Real life musashi probably dueled a thousand scrubs who came at him swords raised whom he just disposed of real easy.
>>138920138
If there was a new anime adaptation, who should voice the narrator?
>>138920138
I'd prefer a full remake by madhouse.
>>138920549
I'd prefer skipping the kid saga so we can get to the convicts arc quickly. Have a Fate style double episode prologue with Baki fighting the Shinogi Bros and Yujiro vs Doppo, then start the Maximum Tournament right away. Maybe introduce characters like Hanayama and the Yasha Ape with flashbacks when it's relevant.
>>138919897
heard this before, scimitars are only better because they can slap against shields with out breaking.
what makes a katana so bad tho besides material?
>>138921072
Different swords made for different opponents and means of battle.
Katanas, scmitars en curved swords in general are thought to cutting flesh, specially the soft organs in the lower abdomen or in decapitations. They are also for opponents with "soft" defense sch as wood or boiled leather armors.
Any type of European straight sword is heavier and more densely done because they are designed to break bones and cause contusions through heavy armor like chain mail and plate.
Rapiers and the likes are for piercing through any kind of armor not cutting flesh or breaking bones.
Gladius and the like are short swords to pierce the flesh through the armor openings.
>>138920769
Why rush to the convicts quickly? Cause you've already seen it before in an anime that has the budget of a rotten banana?
>>138923255
Not him but is pre convicts worth reading? I read baki 2 before the first series because the first series wasn't translated yet.
>>138914823
>and regardless of weather
Even in sunny days?
>>138912539
Cyborg retsu when.
>>138923255
And also because the Tournament and the convicts is when the series starts getting ridiculous and awesome. Before that it's a run of the mill martial arts shonen with some dark tones here and there.
I wonder if pickle will do that "angry scar" mode again
>>138914823
Bushido didn't exist, if you stop and examine it at all.
>>138923411
Grappler Baki is being scanned right now. It's okay, I would follow the scans
>>138923634
Yes but, if you just jump right to the tournament or the convicts, it would be incomplete and it would be flashback dependent on explaining who the characters are and step away from the action. If there was a new Baki anime, it wouldn't take especially long to recover Grappler Baki, maybe six episodes for the intro, 13 episodes for the childhood arc, two cour for the tournament. All in presumable better quality if some studio like Sunrise did it rather than the literal whos who made the first TV anime.
>>138923505
Katsumi should staple Retsu's arm to his stump desu
>>138924203
this was when the art was the absolute worst
>>138925477
True,the best art was during the convicts arc.
>>138925572
best art is right now though.
>jack kills yujiro
How would you feel about this?
>>138922172
>I have no idea what i'm talking about but i sure am a faggot.
>>138922172
>decapitation as a means of battle
Do you eat nails and spit fire as well?
>>138928710
Well, how about I just knock you flat on you're ass you troll, that sound any better to you? Just name the time and the place and I'll be there.
>>138928120
who?
>>138918475
katana's were mostly ceremonial, and really only used in combat if they didn't have anything else available. most samurai went in to battle with a spear (naginata) or bow (yumi) as their primary weapon.
they stuck around as the symbol of the samurai because that's what they wielded when they wanted to look pretty.
>>138913885
Is he fighting Pickle now? Sweet.
>>138915338
Some people generally think the katana is perfection.
>>138916748
Perfect.
This shit is nothing compared to bamboo torture
>>138931939
which is what
>>138931334
Nodachi were also decent primary weapons in war. It's extraordinarily easy to confuse nodachi and katana because they look pretty much the fucking same.
>>138925333
hi PHG
stop telling people to not watch the anime you nerd
So here's the deal, everybody. There's an annoying new translator on the team who was whining about how he wanted to use his translations for his "portfolio", and that if we changed them around in any "major way", it wouldn't represent his "skills". There's a rather obvious reason I'm using excessive quotes. Basically he reverted everything I did to the last chapter of Dou for no real reason (both in our private files and on the fucking website), and is probably going to push for the same for what I did to the chapter we're going to publish next. So if that comes to pass, read the chapter and decide if it's got acceptable quality or not. If it doesn't, please voice your dissent so that I can get him to shut up.
Pic related: bottom panel reads: "Guwaaaaaa." in the Japanese raw. He legitimately believes *this* is better than "Guwaaaaa."
I'll go look for the different versions of the chapter (mine and his) and dump both in a minute if I can find mine.
>>138932581
Japs would tie a guy down and grow bamboo shoots underneath him, over the next couple of days the shoots would slowly pierce the persons body leading to a slow, agonizing death
>>138932581
>He legitimately believes *this* is better than "Guwaaaaa."
give me an address, a site, a number, an email, anything
i wish to harass this entitled retard
why is the art so fucking shit
>>138933039
you mean so fucking perfect?
>>138933039
cus you're mom lmao
Not every page had dialogue, so I'm gonna go with the ones that didn't. This is his version straight-through.
>>138933145
>is... is he translating "sasuga" as "y-
Yes, yes he is, I'm glad you noticed that
>>138933133
>>138933145
christ the art looks so weird that i just can't look away
it's so plain that he knows exactly what he's doing when he draws this and he does it all on purpose
>>138933184
The word "bassari" is used. Meaning "one stroke", "one strike", whatever. He didn't include it because fuck you.
>>138933236
>>138933199
Well yeah, that's the point. It's supposed to look different. Hundredth time saying it, but it's supposed to be classical art mixed with new manga art. That, and muscles.
>>138933275
>sasuga da ze = yes indeed
stop
>>138933275
I'm not saying it's bad and I get it. It's supposed to look weird.
I like it, I'm gonna pick this up.
>>138933312
I, too, was thinking to pay you a visit. Unfortunately, to thinking not did that work out so smart.
>>138910890
>baki
>accurate
>>138920346
>parry and cut
Or you could y'know, use a shield.
>>138933359
aaaaand we're back here again, with *my* version.
>>138933337
koolio, use the anime to bridge the gap to the second series if/when you catch up to the first series
don't be a nerd and just skip over it
>>138933421
>>138933418
pls, what do you think they are, indian?
>>138933421
i'm no nerd, i'm gonna read it all and watch it all too
>>138933463
note: he doesn't *say* Shibukawa. I removed Shibukawa because he doesn't actually say it.
>>138932581
>He legitimately believes *this* is better than "Guwaaaaa
Well it's not so you can tell him he's an idiot.
>>138933497
>iyaa = oh ho ho ho ho, merry christmas
>>138933555
I said the bassari thing above, don't need to repeat it. Yes, indeed, I don't need to repeat it.
>>138914444
Holy cow, BOTH world wars?
>>138933590
>Aiki mo kuso mo nee~
Yeah, that doesn't say "Looks like aiki has failed me." I don't have to be a fully-fledged Japanese reader to notice that.
>>138933639
Left in the "yes" to fill the unfortunate redraw hole.
>>138933629
pft i bet he doesn't even know about the secret underground WW0
>>138933669
Basic English grammar is hard, so read this manga about cute girls and feel better
>>138932581
I didnt say anything of the sort or imply it
Is this new guy a Wild Fang sleeper agent
>>138925477
it wasn't great but you can't deny it was really funny
that's all I've got for that chapter, but you get the point anyway
>>138933793
Hit him so hard his shins elongated.
>>138933793
>calves bigger than quadriceps
Why.
>>138933728
>Is this new guy a Wild Fang sleeper agent
legit that was my first thought, I can't prove or accuse anything though
This painting's movement totally looks like Baki art tho doesn't it
So, I want to get into Baki, at first I avoided it mainly because of the art style, but it just don't strike me as bad now as it seemed a few years ago
Where should I start? Should I skip anything?
>>138933816
technically he literally elongated those
>>138933859
Cus Jack is really, REALLY bad at muscle maintenance. You kinda have to be retarded to think being taller via surgery will make you have greater strength/fighting potential
least he's got a nice big mouth for the nice big... punches
>>138933986
my god that punch
Who hype for Pickle vs Musashi?
I still can not understand how people can read something with this art style.
>>138933937
>Where should I start? Should I skip anything?
There's nothing to really skip, and most people like to start at series 1 - it's not absolutely necessary, but it gives you important background information. Pragmatically speaking, your best bet to start is just avoid the lesser translation for as long as possible. I'll personally get around to going back and doing the most poorly-translated chapters eventually, but for now, just keep an eye on *who* is translating the chapters of Baki that you're reading. Once you reach where we're at in series 1 translation (partial down syndrome group Wild Fang completely TLed series 2 and 3, we're doing 4 and 1 now), just switch over to the same point in the anime. If you don't want to watch the anime, you'll miss a lot of character interaction and many introductions, but very little of extreme significance.
If you want an excuse to skip something, skip the part where Baki and Kozue have sex. It's not on Batoto and it's annoying to find, so you skip it by default.
>>138933937
The first series is only half scanlated, you can either
- watch the (cheap) anime instead
- read what's translated, then watch the anime for the rest
- Skip it and start at the second, which is actually not that bad a starting point
The order goes:
>Grappler Baki (covered by the anime, 2 seasons)
>New Grappler Baki
>Baki Son of Ogre
>Baki Dou (currently running)
Oh yeah, I didn't mention: I uploaded the Baki Dou v10 raws to Mega. Here's the link: https://mega.nz/#F!SpYi2ZTJ!LXsqxPY05nyJyIPKjhP2sQ
>>138934165
Because it's fun you fucking faggot and after a while you get used to the style,in fact the story is this popular in large part due to the unique artstyle.
>>138911242
>The samurai would usually cut up a servant when they had to test a new blade.
Bullshit
>>138914823
>and regardless of weather they surrendered or not they weren't members of the samurai caste so they never had any rights worth respecting in the first place.
How would this even apply to foreigners? I sort of figure the natural instinct would be just label officers or something as samurai equivalents.
>>138934550
Ayy fuck you faggot,i got all my info on samurai from Shigurui,i have 100% faith in my sources.
>>138915703
>So are you implying that all the samurai back then were hyperhuman?
Have you ever heard of musouken?
>One particular day, an unknown assailant tried to attack Yagorō but he somehow unconsciously and without thinking drew his sword and cut him down in one swift stroke. Not understanding this technique, Yagorō would later describe it as Musōken (夢想剣), a fundamental aspect of his swordsmanship's philosophy. Musōken is either an offensive or defensive technique that is delivered spontaneously and without thinking, fully anticipating an opponent's movement; a type of extra-sensory perception similar to mushin.
they got magics and shit nigga
Baki's a weird kid.
>>138932581
Can you not replace this idiot? Hell, even if he were good, the instant someone started trying to dictate what the team could do based on its convenience for his "portfolio," I'd look for a new translator.
>>138934550
>be a serf in feudal area 11
>its fucking shit
>get to serve this lord that has semi-good rep thanks to famiry cleaning techinques folded over a thousand times
>life's good, busy but have food and a roof over my head
>years pass
>goshujin gets married and gets a sword as a wedding present from bride's family
>oh shit
So how old is Yujiro exactly,e know that he's old enough to have fought in the Vietnam war and the story is supposed to take place in the late 80's/ealy 90's,but in recent haters people have fucking iphones and shit.
Is Yujiro really 60/70 years old or does the timeline stay the same with only the technology updating?
>>138934845
I dunno who the hell he even is; Spiny is not particularly transparent. All I got was a document labeled "Regarding Quality Control" filled with whining and a noticeable change to the credits: see pic. I do changelogs for all the chapters I touch, so if Spiny notices enough retarded shit that I had to change, he'll probably get rid of him.
One of his translations was really bad; I honestly think this is just some guy snatched out of a DJT or something. When the member of the team who doesn't speak Japanese fluently is pointing out your translation mistakes, you have a problem.
>>138934736
Shigurui was the worst thing I have ever had to read, ever
The entire manga's story can be told in 3 pages: https://desustorage.org/a/thread/136529289/
>>138934370
thanks man, these are great.
>>138934165
It grows on you.
>>138935195
>The entire manga's story can be told in 3 pages
Baki's story needs even less then that,what's your point?
>>138935183
The American presidents also update.
>>138935195
I don't know how someone can like Baki and dislike Shigurui.
>>138935403
I hope trump wins, I want to see how he will interact with Yujiro.
>>138935488
Ogre, you're fired
>>138935403
That reminds me that they showed George W Bush with Sons and a wife that looks nothing like Barbra
>>138935183
> Is Yujiro really 60/70 years old or does the timeline stay the same with only the technology updating?
It's sort of both. Sliding timescale obviously applies when it comes to age numbers, though.
Yuujiro (for the last time, it's Yuujiro) was 16 in the Vietnam War. Let's say he showed up in 1970, for relative consistency purposes. With that said, he can be 56 in 2010. If Itagaki wanted to, he could just say it's any year in that general vicinity up to today and still have the phones, computers, etc be consistent, along with fighting age numbers. Doppo is like 58 now if we go by internal series logic, I believe. That also has a problematic coincidence with Doppo Gaiden, where Doppo's like 30, and is killing a bunch of people vis-a-vis middle-aged Yuichiro pretending to be weak. Yuujiro would have to be at least 20 something at that point, and would likely be in Japan trying to kill his dad instead of letting him fuck around for money. And then there's Kaku. 2 years have passed since Baki met him. He was 146 then. In the last chapter, he says he's 150. I dunno why.
In the end, it's best to just not think about it.
>>138935522
we need to build a wall around japan. when japan sends its people they aren't sending their best, they are sending muscular abominations who keep destroying our military.
>>138912013
>/k/ fag here, originally was looking for dbz memes but this piqued my interest as I really dig the historical figure of miyamoto musashi
read the book of five rings anons, it's great if you guys are into historical commentaries.
anyway, sorry for the wall of text:
WWI proper, as it was fought in the European theater, evolved the rank and file tactics of units on the battlefield. Long gone were the massed infantry formations where two sides were shooting at each other while rapidly loading their small arms en rhythm as the development of repeating and bolt action rifled bore guns made it obsolete as machine guns and mobile artillery mowed them down. That change in warfare was well before the 20th century.
In WWI the development of small unit tactics was developed; supporting a heavy weapon that sent in suppressive/covering fire to big targets while men charged in to take ground. That was usually the way units were engaged for most of the wars, smaller skirmishes where waged to do reconnaissance of an area and big battles revolved around by what you said, non infantry methods. It's a big game of rock-paper-scissors anon, tanks kill artillery; artillery kills infantry; infantry kills tanks, it's just a matter of how you use them on the battlefield.
Now, the last paragraph was completely unnecessary, but it highlights the role that each unit has. Foot mobile troops hold ground and back then in world war one that's what they did, as trench warfare involved sappers breaching the walls so grunts could rush the position. The average soldier in there was told to wait behind some cover until fire support softened the enemy before assaulting the place.
And me being from /k/ i'm prior us military as it just so happens, I was taught the same thing in the Marine Corps as well. With a fireteam of four Marines we can kill/take just about anything, let alone the actual combat shooting we were taught
>>138935488
Yuujiro has high energi, it'll be fine.
>>138935522
>dedtrump
>US gov't. is cajoled into action by the public to do something
>WAR arc, Musashi dodging bullets and shit with his musouken magic
This seems to fit Musashi's appearance, at least. Could be fun. Could be fun seeing Trump crumpled up into a little ball like this guy.
>>138910890
They did that in Europe during the dark ages too. They even used criminals as living guinea pigs to test the sharpness of a blade.
Baki threads are comfy.
>>138935780
The question then becomes: when did they figure out that living people are harder to cut in half than dead people?
>>138935673
Interesting. So then, what is and was the point of close-quarters combat training if it's never expected to be used? (Besides allowing this guy to be a Yuujiro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Singh_Yadav) The military generally doesn't prepare you for scenarios that they don't think *can* happen, do they?
>>138936176
I've ben looking for Doppo Kenjin raws for a while now but i haven't been able to find them,do you have a link by chance?
>>138936144
Comfy as shit, dude.
It's kinda disheartening to see people say that nobody cares about this manga. I love it, maybe top 3. Every update gets me giddy.
>>138936507
I think it's kind of like how jojo used to be. Unique artstyle, long running, weird crazy shit happens, GAR as hell, has an anime that only covers a small portion of it, but only has a small fanbase outside of japan.
>>138936612
I get the same vibes, man. It makes me both wish for a better adaption so that more people could come to love this crazy shit, but also fear for what that would do to the fanbase.
>>138935562
nigga can't a Kaioh age 4 years in two years time if he damn well wants to? step off
>>138936663
I like to think we'll alwaybs be around, even when this place reaches literal Gaia Online levels.
I got my brother into this manga, he's breezing through it and loving it. Gotta spread the word.
>>138936176
Yuichiro from then could take out the current Yujiro.
>>138936176
It is expected anon, most infantry are taught how to conduct urban warfare which involves clearing buildings, when we go in to secure a room we have to quickly and surely kill any enemies we find in there. if for some ungodly reason our bullets don't hit them as they're too close we marines are also taught hand to hand combat, we even have a martial arts program with an actual colored belt system that has includes black belt masters. And that involves using a bayonetted rifle, sticks, knives, and especially our hands and feet.....but that's in the Marine Corps, got no idea how other militaries train them in general. the Israeli military has this thing called krav maga as well which is a gnarly way to fight
>>138936424
I really wish I did, but I don't. Could probably buy them if directed to the right place, along with the other Gaiden.
>>138936507
>It's kinda disheartening to see people say that nobody cares about this manga.
That's why I make release threads. Gotta gain a fanbase somehow, and I think /a/ is probably the best and most open-minded place to advertise translations for a series like this.
Update: the translator guy is apparently located in Japan and claims to have JLPT1 qualification. He acknowledges that he missed a few things that I changed into something significantly better, but also pointed out a change I made that apparently doesn't equate to how it would sound in spoken Japanese. He's willing to make concessions regarding changes like that, which I'm happy about: rough drafting the text and having me look it over, etc. I'm more inclined to believe now that he's legit, just new to the whole Baki thing. Still trying to get him to budge on sfx like "guwaaa" and "hiiiii"; he'll probably let it go. Does this ease all concerns any of you had, or is there anything else I should bring up with him?
>>138914886
Japan was headed toward Western moral norms for a while before WW2, but when the war happened that was all inverted via wartime propaganda, and after that it was inverted again by US occupation.
>>138937018
>KRAV MAGA IS FIGHTING STYLE OF JEW WHO THINKS IS GOOD IDEA TO CARRY PISTOL WITH EMPTY CHAMBER. NOT SO SURE I TRUST THIS MAN TO TEACH HOW TO FIGHT.
t. IVAN CHESNOKOV
>>138937018
>if for some ungodly reason our bullets don't hit them as they're too close we marines are also taught hand to hand combat... martial arts program... using a bayonetted rifle, sticks, knives, and especially our hands and feet
That's what I meant by close-quarters combat, sorry. And you affixed "for some ungodly reason" to it, which was my point. That's not by any means a common or kinda common occurrence, yes? I should hope not. Then, if not, it's not something you would think could happen, right? Hoping you get my logic here.
>>138936695
ok fine
>>138937316
will the chinese ever win?
>>138937143
>no Israeli commando character who is a master of Krav Maga who fought Yujiro during his time in the middle east and is named Scholomo Investowitz and is defeated easily by his big merchant nose being broken instantly cutting off his air
Just die in my sleep already
>>138937405
Well, Kaku's fucked up quite a number of people and is decently famous, so I'd like to think he's won some things quite a lot. Niggas didn't even put his real name on his prison record, they put Kaio. I think that alone is a victory.
>>138937405
Speaking of that pic, was Yujiro's following speech about the tricks the weak use a proper translation? Seemed to reference Naruto way too directly.
>>138938418
>Seemed to reference Naruto way too directly.
ah, hell. Give me a minute to #1 find the raws #2 translate the raws
>>138937405
>circus tricks
>>138934370
>>138934215
don't get me wrong, these pages are some apex of baki. But it seems like Musashi is doing the circus stuff here
>>138939019
How is dashing forward as fast as you can and doing two simultaneous strikes a circus trick? Or following up one attack after another so that the enemy has a harder time dodging?
His new technique that Yujiro couldn't dodge does seem like a circus trick though. I don't like how the author made him move from swords to bare handed techniques and how his bare handed technique is superior.
>>138938418
Alright, it's not niggered speech like the Wild Fang TL, but he basically says the same thing.
"So this is really is playing around! Chinese Kenpou, what a thing!"
"Xiao-Lee, huh?"
"From ancient times, Chinese bujutsu (martial arts) have been high-class art. I suppose Xiao-Lee is considered [part of] that..."
"When danger approaches, [you] get stiff..." etc.
Yeah, it seems about right, not gonna bother looking at more unless you want me to
>>138939019
>But it seems like Musashi is doing the circus stuff here
Read below.
>>138939192
>His new technique that Yujiro couldn't dodge does seem like a circus trick though.
Which one? Yuujiro couldn't fully dodge all of the sword swings anyway. If you look closely at pages 82-87 of v10, you'll notice what happens. Musashi drops, comes in swinging with both swords full-force, then stops and reverses his left wrist; delivering the small cut to Yuujiro's leg while Yuujiro was prepping to dodge the hard right-handed swing.
He is *the fastest* character in the series to-date; nobody else has even shown the potential to move like that. Yuujiro isn't even entirely sure how many swings he's dodged when they pause here.
>Called titles...
>Called peerless...
>My body has avoided five so far, huh?
>>138937316
Well, no. Then again we expect that we don't get ambushed by volleys of RPG fire after one of our trucks in the convoy hits an IED, but we are trained in that event. the whole business of war, anon, is to pray for the best while prepared for the worst. If a hard-charging Marine ends up fighting hand to hand against an enemy because he was complacent enough to let him slip thru his post, and if he was negligent enough to not keep his rifle clean and functional since the bitch was jamming all the way from the 300 yard range as he also forgot how to perform failure drills, he better remember how to do that basic warrior stance like he was taught in boot camp and better not die because his first sergeant has dibs on smoking his ass
>>138939865
The one where Musashi could actually imagine "cutting" Yujiro once he let go of the swords and right before Motobe interrupted. Every other imaginary attack didn't even make Yujiro move. That new bare handed technique actually had Yujiro dodging to the side and failing to get out of the way. And if I got it right, it still hasn't been perfected.
>>138936424
Hey guy, I'm really stupid and have a bad memory. I do have the Doppo Gaiden, Kenjin, whatever, raws.
https: //vk com/album-3248340_176206517
>>138935673
>read the book of five rings anons
>>138940234
Those weren't imaginary attacks. He actually struck Yuujiro. Musashi carves up his left leg and cuts off a few tresses of hair with the second swing, but misses Yuujiro's body. He thinks to himself that he doesn't have it yet, and internally comments on Yuujiro's "good work".
It hasn't been perfected because he couldn't find any good opponents in his lifetime. The chapter where he's old and bored with his retarded students finishes with him realizing that "The sword isn't finished! [It's] arrived at the end of the *blade*!"
I dunno why I translate this shit when someone more qualified than me is just gonna do it in like a month.
>>138939407
Sorry, I checked and the speech I was thinking of was a couple of chapters later. Chapter 234 of volume 27 according to
>mangafox
>>138940821
>>138940760
musashi and yuujiro are now fighting?
>>138934550
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsujigiri
I don't know about servants, but doing it with random people on the roads apparently had to be outlawed (there's no source given in the article, but random academic books off of Google corroborate Wikipedia on that point).
>>138941016
they were but motobe interrupted so they decided to get a drink instead.
>>138941491
why not test it out on an animal or something.
>>138940821
Aight, here y'are.
>Everyone but you [insulting form of you]...
>All of humanity...
Pausing - who the fuck came up with "the other creatures" for them? That's not even, I dunno.
>The weak are good at devising this [stuff]...
>That's the main point.
>Mysteries, and
>Secrets [techniques, methods, whatever] and
>Rituals and
>Weight and
>Stamina, so on and so forth.
>That sort of creativity/imagination is...
>Such instruments of conflict are impurities/disingenuous.
So yeah, Naruto TL. Great. Yuujiro speaks really fucking weirdly/eloquently sometimes though, that last line is not something a human being would ever say in any language.
>>138941549
You don't fight goats in a war, unless it's a really fun war, in which case you probably don't wanna kill the goat
>>138941491
I doubt it was done frequently before being stopped. I mean, whether laws are slow to pass through the land or not, presumably families of the victims would just go murder the guy if they found out who it was (or might have been). Doesn't really give you much incentive to do it unless you know you can get away with it 100%.
>>138941493
Despite the absolute truth of that sentence, I still laughed. It just sounds so absurd.
>When you approach, people steal glances at you for some reason.
>When you pass by, people turn their heads.
>y-you too~
alright baki familia answer me who's stronger this overrated musashi or the genius kaku kaioh? I haven't read baki but I really wanted to, problem is there are like 4 different baki manga out there, any guide?
>>138941990
I haven't read baki but I really wanted to, problem is there are like 4 different baki manga out there, any guide?
Grappler Baki is first (make sure you get the best translations, although they're still bad up until a point)
Then you're stuck with the anime for the second half of the first series, or you can just skip to series 2. Doesn't really matter either way, all you really miss is character introductions.
Then, New Grappler Baki
Baki: Son of Ogre
and we're currently discussing the fourth installment, Baki Dou.
Unfortunately, due to retardeds, the middle two aren't the series' name in Japanese, so if you look for raws, you might get stuck. In order (in Japanese), they're called:
Grappler Baki (Gurapura Baki)
Baki
Hanma Baki
Baki Dou
>alright baki familia answer me who's stronger this overrated musashi or the genius kaku kaioh?
It depends on who you ask. By Kaku's logic, he can't lose because he can commit temporary suicide for as long as he needs to (as far as we know). You can't "beat" a dead man. By Musashi's logic, dying is losing, so he'd probably just get really pissed every time Kaku did that. Eventually they would have to have a real fight, the result of which is unknowable because Kaku's Xiao-Lee has never been broken. A different character died to Musashi using Xiao-Lee because his version of it broke. You'll find out what Xiao-Lee is when you read the series.
>>138942212
thanks. i'm reading at fox and as i see it the new grappler baki is bakit right?
I haven't really seen musashi fight but I have seen kaku kaioh and his bullshit suicide technique.
>>138941990
>>138942212
Soshite -
All Ye Who Enter Beware:
This is a real set of translations. Of course they're not right. But they're around. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: I don't even want to have these on my computer. I just keep them as a warning.
>>138941990
Kaku was confident that his feather technique that Retsu learned would render Retsu invincible against bladed weapons. Kaku demonstrated it by slashing Retsu with a sword and Retsu just spun around and didn't get cut. He then confidently sent Retsu on his way.
Retsu later learned that his feather bullshit doesn't stop Musashi's sword for some weird reason and even Yujiro has to dodge out of the way or else he'll get his limbs cut off. And even when Yujiro dodges, he's still getting cut even with Musashi's not yet completed technique. I'm gonna say Musashi on this one. When it comes to handling weapons, even Kaku was jelly of how Musashi used his weapons and how he broke the chinese weapons like toys.
>>138942319
>i'm reading at fox
Fuck's sake. Been a long time since I've had to tell someone to go to Batoto. Not doing it again.
>>138910890
How is this suppose to be impressive when in previous arcs shattering a stack of bricks is child's play? In terms of feats nothing Musashi has done comes close to Yujiro's brand of bullshit.
What are the chance of Typemoon making Musashi into not saber?
>>138942544
Because the context of the picture is that it's not a feat and that it's Musashi comparing how easy other people's bodies get cut compared to Pickle and Yujiro?
Except punk Baki's lightspeed attack and hurt Yujiro with an incomplete technique in a way that even Yujiro couldn't dodge. He's not destroying city blocks or tanking guns but he's being portrayed at being very good at duels. Like how Pickle's gimmick was being a physical freak.
No offense but the artstyle of this series makes me think it's for homosexuals.
>>138942544
>How is this suppose to be impressive when in previous arcs shattering a stack of bricks is child's play?
#1 they were crappy tiles, they are easy to break even for normal people. Just not that number at once.
#2 Musashi did it with a crappy old-school Japanese sword. Unless it's another one of his "good" swords.
#3 It's *not* supposed to be impressive, read the damn chapters if you want to talk about it. He's talking about body/muscle density. He couldn't cut through Yuujiro's neck, could hardly cut through Pickle's neck, yet was able to bifurcate eight corpses in a single swing back in his time.
>>138942516
fox's sake? heh, I've heard some of the series in batoto got taken down so i migrated to fox. I was reading at batoto back then.
>>138942746
Kinda is, kinda isn't. The only sex scene is uhh. Weird.
>>138942861
The only part of the series that isn't there is the sex scene, which wasn't even published in the same magazine anyway and adds nothing to the story. It just makes you feel uncomfortable about having read it in the first place, and regret having searched for it. I should know.
>>138942579
100 percent
No more bootleg Baki characters the way Kouma is a second rate Yujiro
>tfw blueball
>>138943437
Never before, in his history of war and battles, had anyone ever delivered such a grievous, heinous injury.
>>138942908
Oh hey, that reminds me of that artist for the later Tool CDs.
>>138943495
Well I don't get it
Didnt he use the ball grabbing to those security guard himself?
>>138943538
My guess is Yujiro used a ball grabbing TECHNIQUE
>>138943525
>listening to Tool
/mu/ would have a lot to say to you
>>138943538
I think there's a difference between being slapped in the balls and having them fucking broken apart by Yuujiro's foot. Plus, he's probably just never had it happen to himself before; only done it to other people. He's sanic as fuck, who would manage to pull it off?
I'm gonna go try to translate the flashback bit that he does right there, because I remember it saying something like that had never happened to him before, but I can't be sure.
WANT SOME MORE?
>>138911123
Those aren't katana though. They were mass-produced blades.
>>138915401
This is true if he were fighting against Germany on the plain, but if he was fighting against the Austrian on 6'500 feet like the Carpathia mountain. He most likely freeze to dead.
To this day they still find world war 1 soldiers corpses as the ice is melt away due to global warming.
>>138944496
>Pickle-style frozen WWI soldier wakes up and takes down Musashi
I'd be okay with that. So long as the soldier was Generalfeldmarschall von Mackensen.
>>138944474
>it's not a sword
>it's a mass produced sword
Alright, here we go. I translated basically just the relevant (funny) part, the bit about the battlefield and something that we'll get to.
>[He] fainted, yet even so...
>He didn't let go...
>...of his swords.
>>138942976
I'm trying to read it now and I can't stop laughing.
>>138944854
>>138943495
This pic.
>He was taken a great ways away, yet...
>He could not understand the extent of the pain.
Yet he let go of the swords here. K, Itagaki
>>138944902
>Even on the battlefield, this didn't happen.
>It's the end!!!
So yeah, nobody kicked him in the balls on the battlefield, unless I translated it wrong. Fairly sure I didn't, given this is the second time I've done this.
>>138944946
>A vortex of anguish...
kek
>>138944968
>Musashi's insides were springing up.
>He remembered...
>>138945005
>Not yet...?
>Slowly, steadily...
>Higo's (Kumamoto [Province]) soil.
>Right before it was completed...
>Those secrets...
>It's not over!!!
That's the end of what I translated.
So Musashi was retarded enough to not remember his own ultimate technique and its history. It took being kicked in the balls by Yuujiro for him to remember it, somehow.
I'm reading through Grappler and I gotta ask, which of these early translation groups are more accurate? S Jump looks like concentrated ass but their phrases make more sense, while Umad clearly has more time put in.
>>138945085
He had to be hurt so bad to let go of the sword for him to be reminded that his ultimate technique didn't involve it I guess. That he reached a similar point before where he felt his technique with the sword wasn't enough.
>>138945496
You're going to be forced to switch to S Jump eventually for a while, so you might as well enjoy Umad's effort before you can't have it anymore until you reach the group after S Jump. Might be SpinyBack, might not be, I don't remember
>>138945545
fair point; still amusing
>>138910890
when a body is braced against something its actually really easy to cut through it.
a person standing up is a different story.
>>138912937
That's why that Trench Warfare was so deadly. All that hand to hand combat.
>>138946678
>implying
It was deadly because of mustard gas, MG emplacements, mortar strikes, and good old gangrene. You very rarely got into an enemy trench.
>>138946728
Oh and snipers, don't forget snipers.
>>138946678
>>138946728
>>138946824
totally had nothing to do with the fact that it was the trench warfare itself which made WWI dangerous
>>138946939
>>138946824
>>138946728
he's being sarcastic you numbnuts
>>138947922
They're still retarded for thinking that mustard gas, mortar strikes and gangrene would work anywhere near as well if they weren't in trenches.
I'd like this thread to get back on topic though, if it's going to stay alive. So, random Baki picture.
