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>>138755726
おそっすぎる
>finished watching Sailor Moon
>looking around for compelling content
>been watching this one let's player on niconico
>go look for some of his older videos
>find this
Guess I'll have to watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onTKv0A44PA
俺はdjtを通り抜けるって感じのビデオ
>two typos in one word
Not even natives know Japanese.
>>138788847
play the game, nerd.
>>138789080
but its so much easier to just watch someone else do it then i dont have to do anything but sit here and drool on myself
>>138789366
Is that fun to you?
>>138788689
I even don't know why I have this.
口端
How is this pronounced?
>>138789415
He is just intogame ntr.
>>138789415
i was just writing that sarcastically. i think watching people play videogames is gay as fuck
I wonder if he made these stories intentionally terrible to make them stick out more in one's mind.
>>138789476Niggerfaggot.
>>138789579
I may be wrong, but IIRC he pretty much spells it out in the introduction.
Hit up koohii if you don't like Heisig's stuff.
>>138789080
The game looks like shit and has hardly any japanese text so I'd rather just watch it be played while getting listening practice and reading practice from reading the comments flying by
>>138789720
Or just do a radical deck and make up your own shit as you go if your memory isn't good enough for straight up memorization. Individual kanji study seems like a waste of time if your goal isn't to learn to write by hand.
>>138789476
I'd place my bet on くちばた.
>>138789861
>individual kanji study seems like a waste of time unless you write by hand
Why is the DJT guide seemingly the only place online where this is said? It feels to me like everywhere else says that you fucking MUST learn kanji if you want to get anywhere (even without writing being mentioned).
>>138789476
it's "lmao he's actually learning kanji"
>>138790055
where did my spoiler go?
>>138789990
Well, of course you must learn kanji to be able to read. It's just both easier and more effective to just learn them words in kanji and get the feel for their reading and meaning from there.
>>138789990
Are you under the impression that those who don't do individual kanji study don't learn kanji at all? What exactly do you think Core decks are? DJT values efficiency above all else, and if you can't handle jumping straight into rote Anki memorization, then that just a personal problem with mental capacity.
>>138789476
https://kotobank.jp/word/口端-484151
>>138790234
values efficiency huh
how do you figure
Please teach me the difference between the suffix さ and み such as 高さ 高み or 面白さ 面白み.
>>138790101
You mean learn to recognize specific kanji by the words they appear in (in vocab)?
>>138790234
Isn't it disingenuous to say that a person learns kanji through learning vocab though? I do use the core deck and I do know what certain words are that contain kanji but isn't that quite different from knowing the actual kanji itself
I'll be honest and say I'm not entirely clear on the difference between learning kanji and learning vocab. For instance, I know that 住む is "to live" or "to reside". But does that imply that the meaning of the kanji 住 is "live", "reside" etc? Or is it only "live" or "reside" when it's the full 住む?
I realise that I appear ignorant here.
>>138790569
No, go read it yourself in the DOJG.
>>138790783
I don't have it
>>138790569
functionally the same but さ tells you that something is to some amount or extent and み just tells you that something is (i would italicize this last "is" if i could)
>>138790395
First misconception that prevents people from seeing it is that some think you can read japanese just by knowing the meaning of each kanji. Which is of course completely false.
Just as with any other language you must learn the words themselves.
Of course, knowing how to pronounce everything helps a _ton_ we all know that. But if the amount of effort necessary to learn them is comparable to the effort needed to learn the words themselves then it's not efficient to learn that way.
It's efficient in other languages because there's like 40-50 characters or so, which is far smaller than the number of words in the language.
If you think there's a big difference in learning a kanji vs. learning a word then I'd like to point out that even in english you don't read words letter by letter.
If taht weer ture tehn you wuoldn't be albe to raed tihs setnecne.
You can read that because we actually don't learn words by their components.
There's also the fact that learning the kanji meaning (as a mnemonic) together with seeing it in multiple different places (different vocabulary words) provides a fairly strong context to help you remember faster than just learning thousands of kanji by themselves.
My Japanese level is sub-shit. Please help me understand what's being asked in this sentence. The person asking it uses a lot of contractions and no where in the rest of the story is a "job" or "work" mentioned.
>>138790916
It's in the CoR.
>>138789861
I think there's something to be said for actually learning the kanji, particularly if you cut yourself enough slack to avoid the review death spiral.
It helps you attack vocab from two different angles, crossreferencing vocabulary words and their constituent kanji. So a new word isn't just a series of combinations of radicals, but a series of distinct kanji. And likewise, that kanji is part of those vocab words you know.
It also gives you a solid foundation of meanings and readings which helps you with rare vocab down the line. Stuff that a vocab deck would only throw at you many thousands of words down the line might be figured out by an RTK graduate.
>>138790612
>but isn't that quite different from knowing the actual kanji itself
How? It isn't at all. If you for some reason have trouble remembering what the kanji means or confuse 2 similar kanji you can make up a mnemonic right away while doing core, you don't need a separate deck for that at all.
>>138791033
I guess the person was asked to do something before he went to work, and that was incredibly a lot of amount to complete so he said "仕事だってあんだぞ(I will go work from now)"
He wanted to say "I can't to do this shit before I go to work" I guess.
>>138791033
前後がわからないなら
どっちかわからないよ
>>138791108
It's sort of like climbing a staircase cause they all lead to the same place: up. Learning kanji individually / doing some radical study is like climbing 1 step at a time, whereas just diving into vocab / reading is like climbing 2 or 3 at a time. It's harder on you initially but arguably more efficient if you can handle it. Again, both ways lead to the same destination, it's just dividing it into more steps makes it easier on yourself.
The one pitfall of splitting it into too many steps is taking too long. Since it's already less efficient, if you move at a glacial pace you're getting into "hurting yourself" territory - doing a little prestudy is supposed to speed up the later steps. If you take too long, it will be much slower overall, even if learning vocab is easier.
>>138791108
>So a new word isn't just a series of combinations of radicals, but a series of distinct kanji.
Do you seriously believe people can't isolate kanji in a word without RTK? Holy shit.
皆は日本の曲を聞いて自分が聞き取れるかどうか試したりするの？
>>138791381
Yes, RTK shills are actually brain damaged.
Can someone explain exactly what "news for VIP" is supposed to be about?
I hear about that board sometimes and VIPPERS and I get the feeling it's supposed to be some kind of random board (but much less shitty than /b/)
>>138791033
Context?
仕事だってあんだぞ！
Even if is work-tte 「あんだぞ！」
Anyone know what あんだぞ means? is it a contraction of あのだぞ?
>>138791441
心で原爆の音だけ響く
>>138791673
あんだぞ is the frank phrase of あるんだぞ
>>138791673
あるんだぞ
>>138791616
You should know a bit complicated history about "VIP".
You can read why they are called as VIPPER here
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%91%E8%AB%87%E7%B3%BB2_%282%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%82%93%E3%81%AD%E3%82%8B%E3%82%AB%E3%83%86%E3%82%B4%E3%83%AA%29#.E3.83.8B.E3.83.A5.E3.83.BC.E9.80.9FVIP
>>138791733
>>138791757
is the person saying he has a job?
>>138791375
wheres the step where you put everything together to create functional japanese and by extension demonstrate understanding
>>138791862
kek
>>138791862
Depends on the context but it will be.
>>138791108
This guy gets it.
It is hard to appreciate this fact until you hit the ~2000 kanji mark and start to get them mixed up. At the minimum, you should learn the meaning of the individual kanji. Then, they can serve as mnemonics to help you memorize vocab. Also, believe it or not, there are many situations where the meaning of vocab is obvious just from the kanji.
The big pitfall to avoid is learning all the kanji up front. Study kanji and vocab in parallel, using vocab to strengthen your knowledge of the kanji, and vice versa. If you like Anki, there are several kanji decks out there which you can filter by your known Core words to focus your study.
>>138791381
It's not so much that beginners can't tell where one ends and the next starts, they're all roughly box shaped and the same size.
It's that if you don't know anything about how radicals are typically laid out, it can feel like trying to remember a long string of strange shapes jammed together. It's not until you have a bunch of kanji under your belt do you start recognizing radicals / recurring strokes. Until then, it feels like a bunch of strangely shaped legos.
It can be particularly frustrating if you gloss over the details of a radical and get it mixed up with a similar looking one.
待つ 持つ 時間 問題
土 戦士
辛い 幸せ
These are all examples off the top of my head of characters that beginners can easily get mixed up (I mixed up some of these myself).
Even doing a little bit of radical / kanji study helps, writing a new kanji out a couple times. It forces you to really look at them in detail, thus strengthening your memory of them, making it easier to recognize them + distinguish among similar ones.
>>138791733
So:
even though I have work!
仕事だってあるんだぞ
How do you learn to know that あんだぞ means あるんだぞ and what do you mean by frank phrase? I assume it means informal phrase?
>>138791862
hes saying "but i do have a job?"
>>138791931
you learn stuff like that the quickest from exposure to real people talking real casually
>>138791820
Got anything in english?
>>138791931
It's just a common slurring of the words.
あるんだ ＞ あんだ
するんだ ＞ すんだ
するな ＞ すんな
for example.
>>138791931
I'm sorry I'm a Japanese, so I haven't learnt it.
And yes that is an informal phrase.
>>138792016
is the ん -> の? I have heard that it can made into a ん
>>138791915
The meaning of kanji comes from the vocab it is in. The difference is that between saying "Oh that's hold" and "oh that's the kanji from 持つ which means hold"
>>138791930
I am fully capable of writing 幸い and 辛い and still may mix them up when reading quickly. See that 2ch copypasta about the guy who switched their bosses kanji conversion settings
>>138792099
yes
>>138792099
Yes.
>>138792102
>that 2ch copypasta about the guy who switched their bosses kanji conversion settings
kek, do you have a copy?
>>138792099
あんだぞ
Be careful of this attitude >>138790234
>a personal problem with mental capacity.
It's about what works for you, not what works for others.
For example, consider this autistic guy who can draw cityscapes over a period of 5 days, incredibly detailed, down to the number of windows in buildings, from a 30 minute helicopter ride:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOWL8aeS74
Does your mental capacity have a "problem" if you can't do that?
Focus on learning japanese, not on your ego and whether or not you can handle someone else's autistic methodology. And desu the 10k bruteforce method is only slightly less autistic than the 3k kanji-first heisig method.
Learn them together.
>>138792248
This.
Long story short: I got recommended into an IT position in Japan by a friend but a requirement is I have to take the n2 in December.
How fucked am I with minimal Japanese background?
Can anyone give any reviews on the Japanese for Everyone book? I hear it's on par with Genki
>>138792181
休み時間ヒマだったので、上司のパソコンに
「うんゆ｣→「運輪」
「こくどこうつうしょう」→「国土文通省｣
「せんじつは」→「先曰は」
「けっさん」→「抉算｣
「ねんどまつ」→「年度未」
「しゃちょう」→「杜長｣
「おくえん」→「憶円｣
などを辞書登録しておいた。
辛いまだバレていないようだ。
>>138792248
Because there's a thin line between photographic memory and being unable to learn from rote memorization.
できない
>>138791375
>>138791381
You're missing the fact that all of this anki grinding is just building up the scaffolding to support your reading and listening further down the road. You can spend months or years in the anki hole, and it would all be the same until the point where you open your eyes and ears to actual content.
All else being equal, a guy with RTK+core2k is better prepared for reading than a guy with just core6k.
>>138792403
i dont know you so i cant tell you
the situation itself on paper isnt an insane challenge in my opinion because theres materials to specifically target the test
>>138792540
>the situation itself on paper isnt an insane challenge in my opinion because theres materials to specifically target the test
This. It depends on what you already know though.
My dick is twitching every heartbeat.
>>138792582
God I watched the first two episodes of Love Live! with a friend today because he wanted to show me how great it was but the translation was do damn awful.
今日はいい天気だね somewhat turned into 'This is the best day ever".
How is も being used here? I don't think it's simply "also", but I'm not sure. Is it being used like in for example 早くも? Like emphasis or whatever. I see similar stuff a lot and it always trips me up.
>>138792452
kek
>>138792512
>All else being equal, a guy with RTK+core2k is better prepared for reading than a guy with just core6k.
The guy with Core6k will know something like 400 fewer kanji and 4000 more words, not to mention having seen 4000 more example sentences on those cards, so I think he's quite a bit better prepared for reading.
But 6k is waiting a bit too long to start reading.
>>138792665
yeah man what are those guys thinking
>>138792452
>>138792772
I mean, I know there are subs that are actually known for being stupid, but sometimes it just ticks me off.
>>138792452
Well fuck, I wouldn't notice half of those, too.
>>138792865
And you probably missed the main jokeas did I until it was pointed out
>>138792512
Even in that scenario, the guy with Core 6k under his belt would be better off. Realistically, absolutely everyone who's not an idiot starts consuming raw material the moment they've got a grasp on basic grammar. During this process, acquiring vocab rapidly through Core 6k/10k would again be the most efficient.
>>138792913
>Realistically, absolutely everyone who's not an idiot starts consuming raw material the moment they've got a grasp on basic grammar.
Read: Everyone on /djt/.
>>138791994
「VIP」という名の由来ははっきりしていないが、「特別扱いだから」、「せめて名前だけは聞こえがいいように」などの説がある。
The origin of the name of "VIP" is unknown but there are some theories such as "that's because that board is "special"" or "that's because at least the name sounds good (because the board is the bunch of shit)"
I translated with my poor English.
Does this make sense?
>>138792897
Which is?
>>138793114
Probably 辛い instead of 幸い
>>138793114
The last line
>>138793114
incompetence mockery of the boss at every stage
>>138793062
Yeah that makes perfect sense, thanks.
I think I also picked up from that link that threads used to get moved to the VIP board if enough people wrote "kuso" in the email field. But that doesn't happen any more, is that right?
So what sort of topics are on it now? Is it like meta discussion (discussion about the rest of 2ch)? Or is it just random stuff
>>138793161
Oh. I knew it but didn't at the same time. Much like Anki cards when I reveal them after a minute of staring.
>>138793217
>But that doesn't happen any more, is that right?
yeah, right.
>So what sort of topics are on it now?
random.
VIP is to 2ch what /b/ is to 4chan
>>138793529
It's allright, everyone makes mistakes
>>138793529
>>138793486
>>138793427
What are you even trying to do here?
>>138793529
Do you know our term "normalfag"? I don't know if there is a similar term in Japanese, but many consider /b/ users today to be normalfags.
Is VIP like that?
Or are they more interesting?
Sorry for all the questions, this is the last one.
>>138793565
>>138793563
I'm sorry I made a lot of mistakes...
please forgive me
>>138793620
i personally would love to talk about memes all day
>>138793666
It's fine. For the record we could understand what you meant in all of them, even with the mistakes.
>>138793620
>many consider /b/ users today to be normalfags.
Its just a trap and furry friendly edgy youtube comments section really
>>138793666
its cool dude this is a place for making mistakes
>>138793620
Normalfag is pretty much リア充. I don't think vippers are considered normalfags, although I can't claim to know shit abaout nip internet culture
>>138793783
This whole board was a mistake
>>138793808
I've heard normalfag defined a lot as people who seek social success. So they might not really be "normal" at all, but they are often highschoolers and come across as being edgy.
(I'm sure the definition has evolved in time)
>>138793620
Yeah there is a similar term in VIP. That is "IP". That is an abbreviation of "IPPAN PEOPLE (一般ピープル)".
But it is usual to use the word "リア充" instead of it with the exception of VIP I guess
俺は一般
>>138793742
>>138793783
I'm glad to your kindness
thanks
>>138793945
Ok, thanks for answering my questions.
I was curious because I want to start reading 2ch or futaba threads to help me learn Japanese.
>>138794071
Do you think reading 4chan is helpful to learn English learners ?
>>138794206
Only if you want to learn memespeak, ニガー .
>>138794206
If you want to learn slang and how to insult people, sure.
>>138793839
Isn't it ironic posting a mistranslation (or here a joke translation even) on a Japanese thread?
>>138794206
it depends what board you read. some threads have good enough discussion to say its worthwhile for a learner to read
others have mostly bad jokes and garbage
>>138793808
リア充 pretty much just means you have a gf/bf so it's quite different in nuance than normalfag
>>138794291
They're completely made up quotes, not even mistranslations.
I think he was really just saying something a bit negative about animators today and someone made those images to make it sound much worse.
>>138794466
>>138794466
> (or here a joke translation even)
>>138794466
>I think he was really just saying something a bit negative about animators today
It was something along the lines of how animators today draw influence from other anime instead of personal experience
>>138794547
What the fuck is with some of these words
>>138794206
馬鹿みたいなカキコ者になることは確か有用だね
>>138794684
I dno't knwo man, lol
Myabe you'er jsut good at raeding raelly fsat or smething?
Getting up at 06:30 tomorrow to do reps because I will be away from a computer all weekend and do not have portable Anki.
>>138794786
Use review ahead and do some now?
How are you supposed to learn how names are pronounced/read/produced?
Learning vocab, grammar, etc. is fairly straightforward for the most part, but there is this big conundrum with names I find no answer for.
>>138794786
A weekend's just two days. Anki can wait
>>138794919
I don't recall Snowden ever saying this.
>>138794919
step 1 be not white
step 2 live in japan for a second
step 3 you know names
>>138795003
>be not white
Sorry, but I like my 8.4 inch cock. Knowledge is something you can acquire, but cock size is something you're stuck with for life.
>>138795271
>but cock size is something you're stuck with for life.
>>138795271
i guess just call everyone tanaka then youre bound to be right 5% of the time
>>138795373
Well, they all look alike, so designating them 田中 sounds like a plan.
>>138795303
This is the leading cause of suicide.
>>138794919
Is there any non-meme answer to my problem?
I have seen absolutely no resources that specifically talk about the concept of names and how to identify them.
>>138795566
There's some kind of deck in Anki but it has like 10k cards. You also learn common places names like Beijing and stuff. Other than that, I don't really know. It can be pretty arbitrary.
>>138795566
have you read much? they will provide the name readings. there is no reason to learn them separately.
>>138795566
What's the problem, exactly? I've never heard of anyone having a hard time with names.
Can someone help me understand the grammar here?
＞にこにこにい！ あなたのハートににこにこにい！ 笑顔届ける矢沢にこにこ！ ニコにいって覚えてラブにこ！
>>138795786
What don't you understand?
Also, is there a Love Live! game or something?
>>138795739
>>138795679
>>138795663
I was just a bit confused about how names are not an actual topic anywhere.
Since names obviously use kanji, I thought they might get confused with actual words and deserve special attention to not let that happen.
If it naturally comes from reading like you guys claim then I should be fine, right?
>>138795786
It means pure love
>>138795887
It's pretty obvious when something is a name in a sentence
>>138794206
I learned to write in English mainly by shitposting on 4chan, yeah. I was pretty good at reading by the time I started, though.
>>138795887
>I should be fine, right?
Yes. The first time a character is introduced the reading for their name is always given (often it's given again the first time it's mentioned each chapter/volume). Names are rarely words, but if one is you will have already been told it's a name, so it won't be confusing.
>>138795887
Well, it's usually easy enough to discern that a word is a name from context, and you do absorb patterns on how different kanji are most likely to be read in names.
But what everyone is saying is that you don't really need to worry about that since everything tells you the readings when introducing the character names anyway.
>>138795566
just learn the kanji as normal. you'll get used to seeing common names. some names have uncommon pronunciations and it's normal to not know them, but name pronunciations are usually specified by name-bearer or author or what have you. like that scene in GITS when aramaki first meets skullface and misreads his name, remember that? so you're gucci my man.
>>138790984
>First misconception that prevents people from seeing it is that some think you can read japanese just by knowing the meaning of each kanji.
>than just learning thousands of kanji by themselves
Only RTK that teaches kanji without on-yomi and vocabs.
Other kanji books teaches the kanji, the on, the kun, the radical, and some other things the specific book decided to include.
>>138796726
Some also specifically teaches vocab with it like the basic kanji book and KD.
>>138796923
That's basically what I said. Other kanji books teaches vocabs next to the kanji drawing itself. By the time one finished 2000+ kanji, they'd have seen more than 6,000 words at least once.
>>138796726
>Other kanji books teaches the kanji, the on, the kun, the radical, and some other things the specific book decided to include.
I just added vocab to your list, that's all.
>>138797038
>I just added vocab to your list, that's all.
I already said
>Only RTK that teaches kanji without on-yomi and vocabs.
before the second sentence that you quoted. Did you missed it? Well thanks anyway, I know you mean well.
what are the best apps for android? i take really long subway trips to work every morning and would like to do something useful in them.
>>138797118
I don't think the two sentences were connected but whatever, let's not argue about something as trivial as that. Anyway we both agree that 'learning kanji' the individual way isn't necessarily just RTK, which something most people here don't seem to take into account here when arguing against it.
>>138797165
Ankidroid is the only one you need.
And any web browser to read LNs when you're done with reps.
吾々ワ日本酒ンデス
To anybody that regularly buys ebooks. I have some questions.
A couple days ago two kind anon told me about calibre's dedrm plugin method. I've since get several free ebooks from Amazon but when I tried to strip the drm with dedrm plugin, it didn't work. I've read dedrm's plugin faq and tried some troubleshooting steps there but still failed.
So I have 2 question now. Where do you guys buy your ebook other than Amazon?
Rakuten? Ebookjapan? Bookwalkers? Some other place perhaps?
What is your experience with them? Which place other than Amazon that you found to be easy to strip the DRM, and what software do I need for it?
I usually buy my manga in the local book store but I've been wanting to just buy ebooks for a long time now. I figured if I can pay 400-500 yen why should I pay 3-4 times that amount if I can get the e-book.
pps: Has anybody ever experienced failing to strip drm with calibre's dedrm with Amazon ebooks? Is it because I've so far only ever tried the free ebooks instead of the paid one? Tried like 13 of them tho.
>>138797192
I've always wondered why RTK is so famous on DJT. Unless the person in question wants to be able to write, it's not even objectively the best to begin with. While RTK's learning order is excellent, a lot of kanji books out there (esp. the one marketed to foreigners) implement their own order as well that is maybe just a level or two below RTK's order in learning efficiency. The tradeoff being all other kanji books teaches vocabs and other kanji-related things alongside the kanji itself.
I'm not a fan of RTK1 and Heisig's own made-up "primitives".
>>138797331
I've done amazon ebooks with calibre before and it worked fine. I don't know how to troubleshoot your problems though.
Rakuten is easy to rip from. They give you adobe drm files and you use calibre again to rip them.
There are rippers for ebookjapan and bookwalker but they've become difficult to obtain recently.But, if you promise not to post it anywhere publicly I can send you the ebj one. Email [email protected]
>>138797611
>I've always wondered why RTK is so famous on DJT
Well it's one of the most popular method overall I think, even though there are best alternatives I think. Also, the optimized core, which is very important to the /djt/ mindset, originally came from the koohii forums. I wouldn't be surprised if people from koohii migrated to /djt/ or still lurks both places.
>遺
>遣
>>138797611
RTK was the most popular kanji book from before DJT existed. DJT also used to love kanjidamage but then the guy went through that intro correcting everything (some of which are legitimate and a lot of which are nitpicking) and apparently that makes the rest of it unusable.
>japs read top to bottom
>yet vertical shmups move bottom to top as that's clearly more natural
justify yourselves
>>138798829
The things that move on the screen in vertical shmups move from top to bottom. You clearly didn't think this through.
can someone tell me which one is english? i really appreciate it
>>138798829
in shmups, you are at the bottom. enemies and bullets and all that move downward, toward you.
similarly, you can think of reading top to bottom as pulling the reading down and inward toward yourself, who like the player character in a shmup is at "the bottom of the page'
>>138799004
英語。The last one in the second image.
>>138799004
Google.
Losing motivation a little, but surely tomorrow will be better after some reading.
>>138798091
W H Y
H
Y
>>138799004
brick your router dork
>>138799080
しない
>>138789579
>月
>part of the body
Holy shit, and there are people who actually defend this garbage?
>>138799204
haha yea dude crazy
>>138799080
Isn't that pretty good though?
>>138799204
Used as a radical, it's often found in terms related to organs or body parts.
>>138799326
Took too long to finish, though.
>>138799348
no its garbage how dare you use reasoning
>>138798877
This, I always found pattern where shit comes at you from below the hardest to dodge.
>>138788450
Has anyone here done a jap course before?
My parents keep telling me that I should try it alongside my econ degree, but I've heard it's nightmarishly slow compared to self study.
Any horror stories? I've heard things like spending three months on kana alone
Anyone here practices kanji writing?
I like writing my kanjis but regular pen doesn't feel right at all, I've seen about fudepen but I'm also interesed in shodo, anyone have experience using fudepen? is it good for kanji practice? Are shodo brushes convenient at all for practice?
>>138799688
Why not doing both a course and self study along to complement everything?
>>138799885
You don't need to go full hipster to write japanese
If you don't immediately know a card, how long do you give yourself to try to think of the answer before you decide to flip it?
>>138799042
>>138799044
Why would you pass up such a wonderful opportunity?
>>138800089
I tab out for 10 minutes, come back, remember it and answer hard.
Hey guys, ff you're looking for some quick, easy, compelling stuff to read in Japanese in your browser, Pixiv has a large number of fan-written short stories available. Good if you want something that doesn't take forever to read, something you can read comfortably in your browser with Rikai, etc.
A few recommended authors (courtesy of /u/):
http://pixiv.net/novel/member.php?id=1840749
http://pixiv.net/novel/member.php?id=12032466
http://pixiv.net/novel/member.php?id=567091
>>138800089
Generally 10-20 seconds. Sometimes longer if I feel like I am really close to remembering it.
>>138799929
Just do self study. All that will happen when you take a Japanese course is you'll be pissed at all the annoying retards you have to communicate with and pissed at the stupidly slow pace the course is proceeding at, it's a waste of money. If you're "not motivated enough" to go at twice the pace of a Japanese course with self study you'll never learn Japanese anyway so don't bother.
>>138800433
>(courtesy of /u/)
I'll never learn Japanese
>>138800433
Are they lewd?
>>138800717
Not with that attitude, you won't. Instead of moping here, go study more.
>>138797860
I just got back. Thanks for replying anon.
I just need to get an ebook source from somewhere, and 1 source is enough if it works. You mentioned Rakuten is easy to strip the drm from so I'll just try that out. In addition to paying 3+ time more, it's not that nice having to wait 1 or so month just for the bookstore to import the manga I want to read.
I'm going to skip on the EBJ one for now because I won't need them if I can get it from Rakuten succesfully.
About Rakuten, 3 small questions if you don't mind... On top of JP address, does Rakuten requires JP cellphone number as well (like text message confirmation before signing up)?
Do I strip the rakuten ebook with that same plugin, Calibre's deDRM?
Lastly, I take it a foreign Credit Card works just fine?
Thanks a lot in advance anon, and I hope you see this reply.
おはようおにいちゃん
おふろはいっていいよ
>>138802543
先に入れ
>>138802543
Thanks sister of younger age!
>>138801997
It asks for a phone number but doesn't seem to use it for anything. Foreign cards work fine. The only thing worth noting is that after you buy the book you have to go to kobobooks.com and login with your rakuten ID, and then open the file they give you in Adobe's ebook reader to actually download it. Then you can use the Calibre deDRM on it.
>>138794547
>kana only
Step it up.
I'm the guy who came in here a while ago. I was using shitty Rosetta Stone and thank goodness you guys called me the fuck out on it. Took about a month but I've finally got both Hiragana and Katakana committed to memory. Bros I'm stressing out now though, I'm completely overwhelmed with all the new stuff to learn. What should I do? What was the next step you took at this point?
>>138802745
Oh, and if it's manga or something and you prefer to have the images themselves over having them packaged into an epub file, you can use calibre to convert it into a zip. Then inside the zip there'll be a folder with all of the pages in order at their full resolution.
>>138802784
漢字の場合はちょっと違うかな
>>138802543
Today I actually had my first shower of the year
>>138802543
You can write phrases in hiragana with no kanji?
>>138802799
>Took about a month but I've finally got both Hiragana and Katakana committed to memory.
出来ない
>>138802799
The next step is WaniKani, a transcendental Japanese learning app that has a proven record of taking a beginner to fluency in as little as 2 years. It has a no nonsense system that no other thing could compete with. I used to only know Hirigana and Katagana but after using WaniKani, I found myself with 600 Kanjis in as little as 9 months.
>>138802894
>no nonsense system
I love this expression now.
>>138802883
Only if you're a small person.
>>138802889
I don't understand, is that a bad thing?
>>138803105
You're a terrible troll.
>変える
>換える
>替える
>代える
>帰る
>返る
>孵る
>蛙
How can this word even be understood in speech?
I can't learn Japanese.
>>138803105
Well let's do some calculation, shall we. I'll be kind and round off the number of kana at 100. It'll take you twenty months to get through Core 2k if you go at this speed. Not bad, right?
>>138803193
Such a rush for comprehending compelling erotic games.
>>138802894
Is this serious or is that some kind of meme software? So you went straight from kana to kanji? The thing I'm struggling with is the order to do things in. I don't know if I should start working on vocab or learning grammar or memorizing kanji.
>>138803242
After kana, you should probably do grammar/vocab now.
>>138803242
>I don't know if I should start working on vocab or learning grammar or memorizing kanji.
For what purpose? Go straight into reading.That's the general opinion around here.
>>138803176
かえろ
>>138803193
>>138803169
You misunderstand. I committed the symbols to memory. I have no vocab right now. I can recognize the symbols but don't know what I'm reading.
>>138803242
He's fucking with you. It's a current super epic le funny meme on DJT to jokingly shill a bad service to gullible new learners and in turn reduce the quality of the community.
>>138803176
>ほら！少しかえるが鳴った！
>小鳥はやっと卵からかえた。
>授業はおわりだ。かえろうか？
In context homonyms are rarely all that confusing.
>>138803311
Those who can't lurk here long enough(5 minutes) to easily see that WK shilling is a joke, can't learn Japnese.
>>138803242
WaniKani is a meme.
Learn grammar if you haven't already (through Tae Kim or other) and learn kanji by learning words/vocab through reading(important) and/or anki(not as important)
>>138803371
>through reading(important) and/or anki(not as important)
Yeah more like, reading and importing the words in anki.
機械工学者になるように勉強している
人文科学はダメだから
君、何を勉強しているのか？
>>138800828
Some are.
You're a 大人(big person), /a/.
>>138803533
>大人しく
Fucking nips.
>>138803521
なんとヤリマン
>>138803477
数学だ。でも大学院は物理学に行こうと思うけどさ。
>tfw having learned Mahjong gives you an advantage at least with numbers in Jappongonese
>>138803477
俺はニートだよ。
来年は何かを勉強する！ 多分…
>>138803533
あなたにIs this how you say for you?
>>138803638
There you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw
>>138803533
Am I an おおおとこ too?
>>138803638
お前はだ。
>>138803617
>来年は何かを勉強する！ 多分…
>>138803477
物理学の大学院生です。
>>138803751
>>138803702
What the fuck?
How does the grammar work here?
>>138803617
>多分
頑張って...
>>138803751
リア充消え失せろ
>>138803787
化学＞物理学
>>138803477
専攻って金融やから金融の関係事勉強するよ
>>138803477
今はないけど未来に宇宙物理学を勉強したい
>>138803837
He's fucking with you.
>>138803751
We're on /a/ and a lot of people are learning to read pornographic powerpoints and other weeb media, what do you think? I'd say a lot of the frequent posters are NEETs though, yeah.
>>138803956
But it says it like that in the dub too.
>>138803477
情報工学
>>138803702
That's a が, not a は.
>>138803837
In the Japanese dub it's translated to お前がだ
I suck at Japanese so I got no idea how that works but whatever.
>>138804016
Even with が, isn't it saying "you are" instead of "4u"?
>>138803292
The basic reason why people are laughing at you is that taking a long time on the kana is suggestive of a hopelessly flawed mindset. When something is "important" like the kana is, it doesn't mean you should study it super hard and slowly and methodically so you never get it wrong when it shows up on a flashcard. If something is "important," it means that it's something that you will be seeing a lot and that you can only gain any useful competency at by seeing it in an organic context like reading real (beginner-level) Japanese content. Taking a long time to meticulously study the entirety of the more boring and organized aspects of the language is sort of a crutch since it's something you can visualize in numbers and feel like you've completed a set percentage of the language.
>I learned the readings of 20 different kanji. That means that now I know 1% of the language and that tomorrow I'll know 2%.
This makes you feel "safe" about your progress in the language, but it is only delaying the actual way that you learn the language: enjoying comprehensible content. It's not really effective to practice the language by studying the individual aspects of the language really hard and hoping that once you're "done" they'll magically become a comprehensible whole. As scary as it seems, language learning feels more like a skill that you build rather than a quantifiable set of data. You should aim to go through the memorization and purposeful study part of the beginner as fast as possible and get to actually engaging with the language.
That's not to say that you should never purposefully study, but it's only a means to an end. The way you should measure your progress by is by what you're reading and how enjoyable the experience is.
>>138803751
As a former NEET I would guess that it's a combination of actual NEETs, former NEETs and NEET people who wish they had the luxury of being a NEET for a while.
So the amount that you hear about it on 4chan might not be completely accurate, but I don't think it's a meme at all.
But then again I don't really check outside my comfort zones on the internet. I hope it hasn't reached meme status on other sites.
>>138804074
Stephan pls go
>>138804016
Japanese subs say otherwise.
