Drawfag Thread 1726
second rarfag's files until thread 1709: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/m5rhvc5a9bfku
Draw Friends Booru!
http://drawfriends.booru.org/
Please help a little by tagging and uploading pics!
Tag list of artists and colorists: http://pastebin.com/J0dJ6gtn
Missed a delivery or sudden 404? http://desustorage.org/a/
Drawfaggin' references and tablet guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r76FugZ2pZIE74LdSEBMwGJ7HxweawNdoGrNT6hrOfs/edit
Thread 1725 >>138643701
Requesting Pitz playing with toys of these robots with a caption that says "It's Orgone, nobody has to explain anything."
Disappointing art but okay.
Requesting a flustered and quivering Sophia Nishikinomiya with vagina heart pupils trying to contain herself as best as she can in a room full of dildos.
Requesting Ryou and Kyou Fujibayashi as the Mothra Twin Fairies, please, positioned based on how the flower on these costumes corresponds to their own ribbons: Ryou on viewer's left, Kyou on viewer's right.
Fairy outfit references: http://imgur.com/a/9peZL
Requesting this with DFC waifus.
Requesting an /m/ version of Warhammer 40K chaos gods using various /m/ anime creators, please. For those wanting to know who is who:
-Yoshiyuki Tomino as Nurgle
-Kunio Okawara as Khorne
-Mitsuo Fukada as Tzeentch
-Masami Obari as Slaanesh
Requesting art of best Teekyuu girl Kanae
Requesting Jungle Patchouli hunting wild peeps.
The tropical plants and vines could be candy, like nerd ropes, etc.
Requesting Beargguy resembling Garo, bonus points if he is fighting a giant Barbatos Gundam resembling Messiah.
Requesting a fight between the /m/ triad consisting of Elder God Demonbane, Shurouga Sin, and Aquarion Logos Genesis. These guys have the power to destroy multiverses at a whim so feel free to give it grandeur!
>>138653551
What the fuck is that?
Requesting Rin performing striptease or lap dance for Luvia because of money.
healthy yuri pls
>>138653808
My first attempt at a delivery.
I didn't expect someone to use it as an OP.
>>138653551
Requesting colour for
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXfILbtWwAEP8sM.png:orig
Requesting /fit/ Patchouli fat shaming an overweight waifu.
Requesting Chun Li lounging around in casual clothes eating snacks.
Requesting Iowa putting her bitch Nagato in a headlock and brutally prone-boning her on a beachThe seamen of the USS Iowa forcefully entered and took possession of the Nagato after VJ Day
Requesting loli Saya covered in chocolate and thirsty like http://i.imgur.com/kmlglwv.png
Requesting Sucy from LWA masturbating in her bunk bed
Raphtalia wearing a Tanuki cut-out lingerie, and a picture of her eating chocolate for the first time
>>138654041
Requesting Iowa overpowering Yamato with either a thick strap-on or a futa dick
>>138653862
Wait, you're not Ojii-san
I really thought it was Ojii from the thumbnail
Requesting anything with the Chaikas from Chaika and the Biblioprincesses from Dantalian like tea party or reading
Anchoring for those working on this.
Requesting what Blackstar would look like as a stand.
Iconography and refs here: http://imgur.com/a/q3jwU
Requesting either of these please.
Requesting Pirate cat and Luffy doing something adorable together, like Pirate cat riding Luffys shoulders or whatever you can think of.
>>138654356
I'm working on this, familia.
Rozalin as a Magical girl
Feel free to reference her dress.
As well as requesting Rozalin brandishing the BFG-9000 from Doom.
Requesting Siesta trying to spoonfeed an annoyed-looking baby Louise sitting in a highchair.
Requesting colors, please.
Ref: http://i.imgur.com/unDs5Yz.jpg
>>138649998
I just wanted to doodle cute girls. Sorry about the giant robot.
>>138654238
Nope. I'm just some faggot that got fed up with not being able to draw and decided to start learning in earnest.
Requesting Ichigo and Ichigo teaming up and fighting against an animal themed hollow.
>>138654595
Maybe you should try poetry instead.
>>138654554
Naisu! And don't worry, the tachikoma is not really that big. Thanks, drawdude!
Requesting colors, of Cave eating chocolate.
http://i.imgur.com/qoPdoSv.jpg
>>138654595
Draw more faggot, follow SSF-senpai
>>138654610
It's not like I expect to be good at the start.
>>138654658
I plan on it. I am going to try and draw at least one delivery for these threads in-between practice every day.
Requesting Serena as a thick milf wearing a transparent negligee and thighhighs.
thick and soft Patchouli please.
Requesting more battlescarred boatwomen like pic related.
Amputees/prosthesis count.
>>138654812
>>138654847
Combine these two requests.
>>138654909
Ycame does want his "waifu" to be as big as ship so it works.
>>138654909
But Patch isn't a boatwoman.
Msyu and Q deep french kissing, snowballing, sleeping together, or showering/soapplay, and things like like tribadism, doggstyle while kissing eachother.
And a drawing of them as magical girls proper as well as them wearing the cat keyhole lingerie please.
>>138654940
But she sure does displace a ton of water
Was going to work on Otonashi, but got tired. Will start on her tomorrow.
Could someone draw Tamamo-no-mae/Caster and Yukikaze lewds?
I'd like anything as long as they're sexy and have large breasts
patchoili n nagato lewd lesbo scene please.
Requesting a cute and lewd gyaru/ganguro Louise, maybe being slutty or just being cute and pretty. Or requesting the petite Louise and a large muscular, or less preferably fat, man with a big dick hatefucking. I'd like her to be blushing and angry, but obviously super turned on and wanting it.
>>138650397
I like this request. Give me some 80s girls you like
>>138653650
This is quite possibly the greatest idea of all time.
Requesting Danes pegging one of her disobedient soldiers. She actually threatened to do so and probably did, so it'd be nice to see. Anything sadistic/masochistic/lewd with her would be appreciated, since she enjoys it all.
>>138653887
Male Hakuno patting Tamamo's head and/or hugging her.
>thread 1725
03/14/16(Mon)19:47:40
>thread 1726
03/15/16(Tue)00:38:09
At least try to pretend you faggots have nothing better to do than shit post in a drawthread.
>>138655161
QA has been busy today.
>>138655106
Merle from Escaflowne.
Utena.
Requesting Sawyer as you'd imagine her as a loli, different clothes, and before she had her throat slit, before her scars.
http://i.imgur.com/jXIwLCY.png
>>138654364
This is my favorite game.
>>138655161
That one guy spazzing out about his cumdumpster of a waifu probably helped with that
Requesting Kirara and Towa - from Go Princess Precure - as a couple of cute flight attendants!
>>138655227
>still on futari wa
Once I catch up to gopri I can start drawing precures
>>138655034
Oh hey. The coloring is just doodling on the sketch, I'll finish it proper soon
>>138655330
Those tits are pretty small
>>138655161
It was monday, the general is always shit on monday when the waifufags who didn't get deliveries pour back in and shitpost all the livelong day
>>138655314
You have a lot to catch up, young one.
>>138655330
Lewd.
Speaking of precure and Tamamo, requesting Loli tamamo watching Maho Precure and loving it
https://youtu.be/tw520Pmzg3E
>>138655350
I'll heed your request senpai
>>138655330
Looks like she got a botched boob job.
>>138655471
She wanted to see if people loved her for her instead of her tits but didn't have money for a good doctor
What the fuck is a cutie mark?
>>138655414
The general is so dead on weekends so I think its all the same people in both threads save a select few like asoc.
>>138655492
The fact that I know what my waifu's cutie mark would be both scares and intrigues me.
>>138655492
It's ponyshit.
I'd like some sexy/cute/both of Mira Yurizaki from Dimension W. From pole-dancing to masturbating with her plug-tail.
Trying to get better, would appreciate tips for this shite.
>>138655601
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
Requesting anything cute of Honoka.
For specifics, requesting Honoka dressed in 1920s attire battling Lovecraftian horrors.
>>138655492
Essentially a tattoo that pops up when you discover your talent that you were made for. And yes, it's MLP related.
>>138655622
Go to /ic, study, and draw a lot. In theory its really not that complicated.
>>138655622
Needs fang.
>>138655622
Needs blush, also a body and lower body
>>138655652
I don't want to think of the ones Lunafag made up. Makes me ech
Draw a modern-day anime Puma twins
>>138654595
good luck to you
don't start with anime proportions
>>138655649
You're 3 days early
>>138655622
Draw for the WWD. It is the only way to get good.
>>138655622
What do you use to draw?
mouse, or tablet?
what app?
onto actual technique, always draw the bald head of the character first, it'll help ensure the right hair/face ratio as hair always sticks "up" a bit from the head. In your image, the head would be really wide and short.
Next, pick a particular angle for the face. Either straight on, 30 degree, 45 degree, 60 degree, etc, and use the nose to set that "middle" line of the face. If it's 45 degrees to the left, then the left side of the face will have about half the space of the right (not always, cause some people have very flat faces, and some have pointed faces, but that's more advanced)
also, don't bother coloring until your linework is completely done. It just tricks you into thinking your work looks more complete than it is. Once you get more skilled you can break the rules of course.
>>138655701
what exactly do you mean by "modern day"
can you post an example, I'm interested in doing it but I wanna get it right.
>>138655773
As in the style akin to currently running anime.
>>138653551
I'd like to request Yugo from Yugioh Arc V, holding a hand full of cards like he's dueling, serious expression on his face, but the cards are all from different games, for example
>a playing card
>a Cardfight Vanguard card
>Magic card
>pokemon card
>a cell phone user manual
>punch card for the local pizza place
thank you
Color for this drawing for >>138540620 request
please and thanks in advance
>>138655794
forgot ref
Requesting Latifa trying to hard-sell a Fuck Me Silly and a Fuck My Big Black Ass to you
>>>/gif/8248384
>>138655773
Like this
>>138655821
oh, so you still want them in the old outfits, just updated linework?
>>138655860
There's a lot of things to distinguish between old 80's 90's anime styles and modern
>facial structure, hair, levels of shading, eyes, noses (or lack of), filters applied to the final image due to digital software
The character design/outfit stays the same of course
Requesting a drawling of these cute yugioh lolis!
>>138655919
as a man who lived through those decades, I don't actually see much of a difference when it comes to "babe" characters
Hell, look at Iria.
I would say that the hair and the shading is probably the most different.
But facial structure? Not so much when you compare similar genres.
Dominion Tank Police can't really be compared with some moe slice of life
But I'll get started anyways
I could use more references of the girls if anyone has any
The fuck happened last thread, I go to sleep for 8 hours and everything goes to shit
138613369
late colour
>>138656122
people are preparing for taco tuesday
>>138656151
I was feeling some steak and chorizo. Wouldn't mind some carnitas too.
>>138654554
Absolutely adorable!
>>138656151
>>138656151
Requesting a taco version of this
>>138656175
I just want strawberry jarritos. things are tasty.
>>138656190
Strawberry is great but I'm feeling orange this time around
I don't like Mexican food that much.
>>138656232
This, burritos are alright
>>138656232
The only food I actively haven't tried to eat more is Thai.
Mostly because I just default to ChineseFuck all of you people who eat orange chicken and just orange chicken
>>138656232
You probably haven't had authentic Mexican food.
>>138656277
Fuck you. Orange chicken is awesome.
Requesting Jougasaki Rika performing in an extremely obscene, slutty, and revealing outfit. Or her performing sexual favors for more work or pregnant.
>>138655622
Study how the body works and see how part fits and compliments eachother. In other words, anatomy.
>>138656232
Now I want to request my waifu eating tacos, but real tacos, none of that hard shell crap
>>138656318
Anatomy is beyond his level, he still needs to draw cubes and spheres at various angles.
>>138656268
They get boring after a while
>>138656277
I just throw shit together that I like
>>138656278
Considering I grew up in a Mexican household where my parents sold people food like Tamales, pupusas, that fried pork belly, etc. So I'm pretty sure it was good.
>>138656361
I hate that autistic comment. A taco is a taco, if it has a fried shell it's a hard taco, if it's just a regular tortilla it's a soft taco.
>>138656435
>Considering I grew up in a Mexican household where my parents sold people food like Tamales, pupusas, that fried pork belly, etc. So I'm pretty sure it was good.
>tfw as soon as you got away from your moms cooking all your health problems went away
Shit was killing me. I fucking love Mexican food and my mom's cooking but shit's so unhealthy.
>>138656435
>I hate that autistic comment. A taco is a taco, if it has a fried shell it's a hard taco, if it's just a regular tortilla it's a soft taco.
But what they contain is so different.
>>138656543
>>138656435
Fuck, I could go for a pork tamale right now.
>mention tacos in an off hand joke
entire thread is now talking about mexican food
>>138656571
>pork
>not using a white meat like turkey
It's actually not that bad.
>>138656570
nice
>>138656609
It's nearly 2AM and I'm hungry.
Requesting a version of this Sakura Trick pic but with Nene and Clarion instead
>>138656435
>pupusas
what the ever loving fuck is that?
>>138656435
>A taco is a taco, if it has a fried shell it's a hard taco, if it's just a regular tortilla it's a soft taco.
That's blasphemy
>>138656609
Through tacos, unity
>>138656571
Late night tamales is my shit senpai
>>138656570
Cool beans. Asked for her with my friend in mind, hope he likes it when it's done.
>>138656628
I understand. Sometimes, you just got the need.
The need to feed.
>>138656636
I think we may have just solved the politics/immigration fight
>>138656634
wiki says its just a regular gordita
>>138656636
Unity you say?
>>138656685
Oh... OK, then.
And requesting Kurumi Erika from Heartcatch Precure buying this awesome snorlax plush toy and taking it home!
http://p-bandai.jp/item/item-1000102956
For reference, Erika is around 142cm tall, a bit taller than a 9yr old.
Good night!
Requesting Ruuko's meme face on the Archer from Pirates, Vikings, and Knights 2 and drawn to look like how Ruuko appeared in the WIXOSS Blu-ray Specials. Provided References of both
>>138656721
Unity was awful
>>138655728
Never too early.
I want someone to draw my waifu making out with me. Do I need a picture of myself as reference?
>>138657030
Only if you also use dick pics
>>138653605
Good taste but I suck at drawing
>>138657030
How about yours makes out with mine and we watch?
>>138657030
Self insert art is deviant art tier cringe.
>>138657102
Stupid cuckposters.
>>138657030
I could draw her making out with a beanbag? it's probably close enough
Feed me some cutelewd ideas
>>138655794
>>138655814
It's Yugo, i can't resist, I'm gonna take on this request!
But it might take a little while for me to get to it since i have a lot of other things to draw, i hope that's alright
>>138657344
Another person who enjoys some supidcute banana. Nice taste.
>>138657056
ok
>>138657102
Depends. Is your waifu me?
>>138657120
I wan't to see her kissing in third-person, and I don't want her to kiss anyone else. What do?
>>138657184
I'm not a potato. More like thick celery.
>>138657366
Right back atcha
>>138657369
That's fucking gold.
Can you make the guy's face Donte?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUArTDYYVc
>>138657369bueno
That cactus also needs a hat and some shades.
>>138657279
OL's putting on their stockings with a slight panty shot.
>>138657369
Fucking YES. Awesome, muchas gracias
>>138657421
Or pouting because there's a tear down her stockings.
>>138657412
I will never not love this fucking video
>ur a faget in the sky
>those poorly drawn mustaches on everybody
>Donte's mustache growing bigger in DT
>MGS4 theme
>The voice acting being better than the original
>Taco Bell and Chipotle
>>138657369
GOOD
>>138657369
I wish you mexicans would just leave already.
>>138657450
Wrong. it should say Ni siquiera estan buenos
Help me out with this WIP I drew fellow drawfriends.
I think I drew the arms all wrong and too short and Im not sure what to do. Im also not sure how to clean the lines without fucking up the drawing.
>>138657449
Memes are the only good thing that came from dmc:dmc
>>138657412
This is the first time I have seen this. I love it.
Would you take your waifu on a double date with a friend and his waifu?
Would you and your waifu go home with the other pair?
Would you let your friend's waifu make out with your waifu to turn you on?
Would you have sex with your waifu in the same room as your friend having sex with his waifu?
>>138657474
Anon, stop being so tsundere.
>>138657481
mmm.. well it depends if he eat or not.
>>138657421
OLs banding together to bully teenage girls and steal their boyfriends
>>138655701
So, before I get too far into this and actually do real linework, is this more the style you are looking for?
>>138657369
>it was actually drawn
>>138657412
>>138657369
revised edition
>>138657699
>>138657699
>>138656187
These loli bullying images makes me sad. Can we get one with a happy ending?
Is anyone going to request something for Cinco de Mayo? I'm looking for this picture of what I want but I can't find it.
>>138657699
Requesting US border patrol deporting them.
Requesting Nico making fun of the viewer.
>>138655110
You in or out?
>>138657369
>>138657699
Hijo de tu rechingada madre!
>>138657699
>>138657699
SHINING
SHIMMERING
SPLENDID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFLUE2kdemE
>>138658125
I actually like the environments in that gmae
>>138658125
donte speak spanish from spain not taco.
well, whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIWutjjF6U
>>138656122
>finish pic
>decide to google who the hell she is
>colours different from reference statue
fuck.
Last edit, still kind of wrong but I'm done with this.
So my laptop is starting to finally die after years of abuse. Anyone have recommendations on desktops that will allow me to have SAI, Firefox, iTunes, and OBS without shitting itself?
>>138658468
Build one, be sure to buy a lot of RAM
>>138658505
I feel like I'm too stupid to build one myself and will fuck up something .
>>138655604
So, my internet died and I did a lot of random here in the meantime.Do robutts even have nipples?
>>138658597
Less glowy version here
>>>/i/468640
>>138651843
Excellent work, I thought it seemed like something she would wear. Thanks.
>>138653681
Great taste, senpai. Have this
>>138658853
>never had tacos before
I wonder what it tastes like
>>138658427
for someone who somehow didn't know what the source material is, it's not your fault.
in the anime the green parts glow, but I'd say your base green isn't definitely "close enough" and the hair is the right color family, it just needs the contrast cranked up, That's why the statue is different than the anime, it has natural lighting.
so all in all, you shouldn't feel bad, it's like 90% the right color.
Rejoice, no anime for Tamamo. It was just a new game
>>138658962
tacos are basically spicy ground meat, lettuce, and cheese in a crispy shell
so it's like a cheeseburger but more flavor and less bread.
Requesting colors for this wonderful delivery
References for both Yuuna and Jolyne can be found here
http://imgur.com/a/2EyJU
Is Ch20 around?
>>138658597
>>138658746
Fuck that's great
>>138658853
10/10 dude, I love it. Thank you!Now I'm hungry for some tacos, too bad the local places don't open for another couple of hours.
>>138653700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQ1RVo_ZEA
>>138659227
For what purpose?
Requesting a hairstyle chart of Rina from the PSO2 anime.
Requesting Kino sleeping on Hermes.
>>138659227
>Randomly cooking a piece of salmon after all that
Could've just done that and saved the time screwing around with something that's going to destroy your grill.
>Dipping salmon in barbecue sauce
THIS FARCE HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH!
lewdsquid girl lines from a request in the last thread
colors will follow
Requesting Cooler wearing the clothes and in the pose of the man in the photo, but replace the 'Bigger than life' text on the jacket with 'Cooler than you'.
(inspired by this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9XYrRpHjo )
Requesting Asuka with a serious face. Or angry. Injuries, bruises are more than welcome.
Not a full-body shot. Even a simple sketch will do.
>>138659856
2 things
1) if no one's working on it once I'm done with the current drawing I'm working on, I'll do it.
2) how do you feel about having him wear only the jacket? Without it, at that angle, it'll be rather hard to tell it's even cooler compared to frieza, since all his body armor will be hidden by clothes
>>138660069
jacket only is fine with me
>>138657669
>>138655701
I'll spend some time tomorrow cleaning it up more, but here it is.
>>138655106
There are the bubblegum crisis girls, noa from patlabor, a-ko from project a-ko (a c-ko is fine too), deedlit from record of lodoss war (technically the ova released in '90 but the series started earlier), kei & yuri from dirty pair are a given.
I could probably keep going if you were to include 90s girls as this anon did >>138655187
>>138659048
Hard to color, when you turn this into black and white a lot of the details from the lines are lost. Would help if the artist scanned it proper.
>>138656570
Looks good so far m8.Just woke up so I only saw this now.
>>138660403
well, I'm workin on it, but i gotta get to bed.
I've got some work tomorrow, so check back in about 12 hours.
>>138660858
It's not really any harder, just more time consuming since you pretty much have to start a fresh layer and trace the original drawing before you can even start colouring.
>>138660971
Will do, thanks again!
>>138659048
>>138660858
How's this?
Requesting Chihaya doing finger frame.
>>138657369
>>138657699
Requesting any two of the Aquours girls licking each other’s navels in these outfits.
>>138655223
It has a lot of references, even some JoJos Bizarre Adventures abd Cyvorg 009.
Requesting Vergil from the DMC 3 - Code2 manga as Matsuoka Shuzo, the motivational fisherman.
Can anyone recommend a good drawing app for android?
>>138660858
Thank you for the heads up and >>138661472
thank you for the edit, if I knew it was such a hassle to color the image the way it was I'd have done this myself, hopefully someone decides to pick it up, now.
>>138657487
I can't really give you any redlines or constructive criticism, sorry, but I think it looks great. For clean lines, you might want to trace over your sketch with a black pen or marker, maybe.
>>138657487
You can't clean it up without erasing.
Most likely it will still leave marks on the paper.
You have to do very light under sketches before doing the final linework.
Arms look fine though if he's bending over a bit.
>>138657487
Arms look more or less okay. His leg on the left, though, looks a bit strange.
I'd like a BDSM dungeon of the Madokas where each are being dressed up while in varying states of undress and vaginally stimulated according to their witch form. Homura in stocks with her triple-bowed gag on. Madoka suspended by a metal skirt with her arms chained in the upward Y position. Sayaka with her legs wrapped mermaid style. Kyouko chained to the saddle of a 'horse.' Mami as the Dungeon mistress who captured them all.
(Anon has claimed this. Reposting for convenience.)
Ended up coloring it.
>>138657412
Holy shit I'm crying
I hope I'm not the only one who thought that senor Vergil has a doppelgringo while watching this
>>138662772
Nice. Those thighs are delicious.
>>138653700
Requesting Eirin giving Patchouli a quadruple bypass
>>138657666
They warned me Satan would be attractive.
Requesting Fubuki in the dress to the right.
>>138662772
Nice.
>>138640217
Sorry Hinanon I had a headhache and went to bed, just saw your thanks. I'm glad to see you like it! And I agree with the other guy, your long thanks are so cute.
>Who is this?
I'm a nobody, it's the first thing I've colored in years. I'll try to color moreand maybe buy myself a tablet because it's just too damn long.
>>138657279
Usually awkward/embarrassed expressions and such are pretty cute. Like waifus wearing some lingerie but being totally insecure about it.
>>138657279
Waifus trying to be sexually confident but failing and looking like lovable dorks.
>>138658853
From the thumbnail I thought it was Moa, but I'm not disappointed.
>>138663315
Did the Moa requester die? I still wanted to draw her
>Only requested in wwd once and it was a shitty pokemon request
>>138663384
maybe just a haremfag that got an early delivery
>>138663384
They got bullied pretty hard so they might have left.
>>138663464
>luna ragequit
>requesters left
Only the strong survive
>>138663501
The sad thing it was just /ic/ tier shitposting too.
>>138663501
>luna ragequit
wait what?
>>138662402
>>138662444
Not that anon but arent guts' arms a bit more buff than that though?
>>138663533
Check last thread
tldr
>anons didn't like his coloring choice and pretended they knew what they were doing
>luna is a pony fag
>luna rq on his blog
>anons still pretend they know what they're talking about
>>138663533
read the last thread
>>138663516
Nah, that was legit critique. Luna's always had huge problems with skin colors and faces, his art never even looks like the characters he draws. Considering he's been drawing for so long, he needed this to happen to him earlier so he can fix his shit.
>>138663559
I think they look fine although a bit buffer would look good, I agree.
>>138663567
He does have pallet choice problems, but the anons critiquing were pretty stupid about their "fixes" as well. A simple critique saying that his color choices are wrong would have been better than pretending they knew what they were doing with paint overs.
>>138663616
But they have to show off their amazing art skills.
/r/ing girls in gags please
>>138663863
slapstick?
Which drawfag should we bully until they leave next?
>>138663951
smurf
>>138659991
did you see this?
>>138664030
You smell weird and your art is okay at best.Nerd.