ITT: Explain the Monogatari series in less than ten words
>>137815650
Pretty fanservice sells well.
Words words words tits words words ass words paranormal words
I'll do it in one: Shit.
>>137815668
Pretty much what this guy said, famiglia. Ten words, bitch.
2deep4u
Reddit.
Fancy word play plus ecchi harem story sells well.
Niso is like the Tarantino of anime/manga.
>>137815650
Official monkey nudes when?
>>137815790
>Tarantino of anime
Holy shit, when I recommend monogatari that's what I describe it as
>>137815650
Words words words [MISSING SCENE] faster words SEXY POSES INCEST
>>137815650
Highschool drama manifests in spirit possession, everybody gay for Araragi
>>137815650
Kill yourself, newshit.
People also tend to like Niso because they think Medaka Box was a giant fuck you to the traditional ideals that run in Shonen manga instead of a manga built on hypocritical humor
>>137815905
>can't learn to funpost
>newshit
Spotted the real one here, guys
>>137815899
Without context, this is actually pretty weird
>>137815650
Guy helps girls with paranormal problems. There is fanservice.
>>137815650
Spawned the worst fanbase ever.
>>137816296
Monkeys ml
>>137815650
Great comedy great girls great story but not for everyone
>>137816041
Even with context its weird. can you imagine what Hanekawa would say if she saw this, she is pretty blunt with Araragi after all.
>>137815650
More than ten words
A boy falls in love with a girl. Unable to...
>>137817109FINDS A WAY
>>137815790
You can understand Tarantino movies though. And they don't rely on cheap fanservice.
>>137815650
Monkey is best girl
>>137815790
More so with Katanagatari than Monogatari.
Katanagatari feels like an anime Tarantino would make. Especially with the double length episodes packed to the brim with too much dialogue.
Some bullshit is happening somewhere
>>137820969
*Some bullshit is happening everywhere at once
FTFY
>>137815650
Pretentious fanservice show with an obsession over mutilating hair.
>>137815650
>it's just fanservice and word play
Surely people don't actually think this. It's got some pretty DEEP and well presented themes, and I'm not even saying that ironically.
>>137823800
Maybe if you're a middle schooler.
>>137824041
eyy
>>137815650
tits that nerds feel superior for watching despite being mediocre
>>137815650
cute girls and supernatural shit expressed through modern art
>>137823800
It doesn't really have any deep themes, and the series often uses very clumsy or drawn-out metaphors.
>>137824421
>It doesn't really have any deep themes
they may not be revolutionary, but they're there. Hana talks about life-statis due to fear of making decisions and how to deal with your life issues in general, owari and how happiness is your responsibility etc. There are actually quite of few meaningful take aways from a lot of arcs, I think.
>>137823800
define deep
it has running themes and motifs and so on, but that's standard in any story
>and I'm not even saying that ironically
yes you fucking are
the majority of people who like the series just do so because they like the cast and interactions, not because of the story or narrative. Look at any gatari thread on this board ever and that much is obvious
People like >>137824353 are trying hard to "fit in" and don't actually know what they're talking about
>>137815650
Overrated pretentious fanservice made by SHAFT and Nisio dude.
>>137824707
Deep in the context of anime. I hate the whole "well it's this compared to most anime" argument, but it sort of applies here. The fact that it has some real life take aways and, as you said, running themes and motifs, makes it relatively deep.
no story
cute girls talking nonsense
fashionable to hate
Not as good as medaka box
why so much hate on this series? i think its really good
>>137825185
because people don't understand what's going on and it makes them confused and angry
>>137815650
People that shit on it's fanservice only understand the fanservice.
>>137825221
i guess..
this is one of the first animes i watched and without any knowledge of japanese culture its still my fav series
going back and watching again after i got into anime did make it better tho
>>137825315
fuck
>>137825365
Yup
>>137815650
Fanservice buried under words
fucking hipster bullshit
>>137815650
light beams and desks
tits asses wordplay incest loli powerpoint
Beautiful backgrounds and clever dialogue.
Also ass and titties.
>>137817109
SHAFT FINDS A WAY.
Garbage
trash
overrated
nice tits
good crab
shit cat
Nya
>>137828115
>good crab
I'll never understand what people see in her.
>>137815650
Kaiki is best girl
>>137828142
She confessed in a no nonsense, no metaphor bullshit. Just flat out said I love you.
Then said she wouldn't accept a weak answer of I need to think about it and to give her a yes or no.
>>137828115
>good crab
>>137828715
It's certainly refreshing to not drag that shit out, but she's just such an annoying cunt I hardly see how it makes up for it.
Especially when literally everyone else thinks he should be with Cat.
>>137815650
>ITT: Explain the Monogatari series in less than ten words
local boy falls into twilight sequel then lands harem
>>137818608
They rely on nostalgia, bad humour, and overall edginess.
>>137824582
That's all just existentialist garbage, it's overdone and dull.
>>137818608
They have fanservice in buckets, just not the sexual sort.
>>137815650
Monogatari means Story in Japanese.
You should know this.
>>137818608
Tarantino fuckin blows
>>137829229
So many feet shots
supernatural stories told by different narrators while having quirky fun
>>137829096
>existentialist garbage
please point me to a theme in any medium that doesn't fall into that category, you retard.
>>137815790
>Niso is like the Tarantino of anime/manga.
>>137815650
you'd fuck a snek??
Never going to watch it because it is too popular
>>137815650
Complete fucking degenerate
>>137815790
Tarantino dialog is top tier though. Monogatari isn't.
If I were to compare Tarantino with any studio I'd do it with Gainax since both fall short when it comes to endings. Tarantino with the cookie cutter gun fights and Madhouse with the cookie cutter mindfucks that don't even make sense.
>>137829601
>faith
>national honor
>community
>>137829704
>and Madhouse
*Gainax
>>137828768
I don't "get" this gag
>>137815650
a vampire, crab, monkey, cat, snail walk into a bar
>>137824707
> they like the cast and interactions, not because of the story or narrative
But that's the point, it has rounded characters that illustrate its themes by their different viewpoints and how they affect each other. It is certainly enjoyable on more superficial levels but that's the sign of well made shows.
And the dialogue is at very stilted, but also witty and carrying a lot of subtext.
But if you want a ten word description: Teenage girl in love triangle between vampire and furry humanoid.
>>137829749
And then Arararagi ducks under it.
>>137829723
Pretty sure they all pertain to existence, my good man.
>>137815650
Stupid harem shit that tries to be "deep" by shoving the viewer with WORDS WORDS WORDS.
>>137829704
>Tarantino dialogue is top tier
It may be crisp sometimes, but if you're impressed by Tarantino dialogue anymore you've got some growing to do.
Just look at how unbearable his latest films have been.
generic hipster bullshit
I haven't seen a single episode
>>137829723
Faith is the most existentialist idea possible.
>>137829881
>you've got some growing to do.
People who usually use this kind of argument are usually underage themselves. Mods you know what to do.
>>137829876
>16 words
Allegorical post?
I have never seen it so fuck me I guess.
>>137829926
Phrase it how you like then, someone being mindblown by le quarter pounder with cheese in the year 2016 speaks for itself.
>>137817109
LN adaptation not rushed, complete, eccentric direction and budget.
>>137829096
That's such a fucking cop out. You can relate absolutely anything back to existentialism if it applies to real life in the slightest. Apply yourself, anon.
Pretentious ecchi shit
>>137829825
No?
>>137829902
Partial faith is, but not absolute faith.
>>137830094
No, the concepts you listed are all spouted by the 20th century hack existentialists.
I skimmed the wikipedia article. Do nerds actually watch this?
>>137830197
Where do you think you are?
>>137830193
>being unable to make decisions stagnates your progression in life
>20th century hack existentialists.
I don't know what you've been reading, but if you think that concept comes even close to existential philosophy then you really aren't understanding it. Again, you're just using the term as a cop out.
>>137830383
>you aren't understanding it
Yes Anon, I'm sure an undergrad like you is an expert.
Why is it so hard for manual viewers to come to terms with non-traditional narrative structures?
>>137830427
Okay. Please explain to me how dealing with the inability to make decisions is more existential than national honour. Go on.
>>137830433
>manual viewers
What the fuck does anything in your post even mean? Who are you replying to?
help girls with paranormal stuff, they want to fuck.
>>137815650
Pretty decent until it becomes a harem
>>137830507
It's almost literally the plot of L'Hote.
Which exemplifies how childish the ideology is; it's high-school reading.
>>137830507
I'm not that anon, but "dealing with the inability to make decisions" or more accurately, the angst that comes from the realization of radical freedom, is a classic core theme of Existentialist philosophy, (Kierkegaard, Sartre, et all) while National Honor is not. Existentialism in general is far more focused on individual, personal, internal conflicts, the difficulties of being, thinking and existing as a person alone in the world, not with large scale, societal, communal issues like nationalism.
>>137830646
>still hasn't explained existential claim
>going on about some other shit now
time to stop
>>137830658
cont.
Also, this:
>>137830646
>>137830678
>he hasn't even read L'Hote
You aren't even in high school yet, are you Anon?
>>137830646
>It's almost literally the plot of L'Hote.
You could try being less obvious, even if this is a bait thread.
This anon >>137830658 is correct though.
>plotfags
former vampire sticks flag in every girl per each arc
>>137825185
It's really not for everyone
>faggots complaining about pretentious harem shit in this thread
>the same faggots indulging themselves in pseudo-intellectual diatribe in this very thread
kill yourselves. you can all suck my 7-inch erect cock
>>137825185
I liked the first season but after that it just sucked. I think it was more of a focus on fanservice that turned me off of it
>>137831032
Who are you quoting?
>>137831057
this meme needs to die
>>137831034
You could skip Nise if you want
>>137831034
There's less fanservice again after the second season.
>>137830658
Not that anon, but couldn't you say that a sense of national honour still boils down to individual sensibilites and morals, and thus existentialism
>>137831034
just think of the fanservice as a reward for slogging through all the dialogue
Pervert fights ghosts for pussy in CG world
>>137831093
>>137831098
Dammit /a/ don't get my hopes up. Does it still stay a harem though or does it ever have another guy character
>>137831231
There's an entire arc in SS centered around Kaiki. Do people still consider Monogatari a harem?
>>137825185
I don't want to sound pretentious (I still will), but I think some people legit don't get it and they just focus on the fanservice and shaft doing weird things to save budget, that's why they think it's nothing more than a glorified harem, when it truly has some good themes and messages in every arc.
>>137831231
The harem elements are really unimportant in Second Season and onward. There are other male characters, though only one of them could be considered a 'romantic rival' and he is only present for one arc (the most recent one).
>>137815650
A living tongue-twister helps a girl deal with crabs.
>>137829881
>Just look at how unbearable his latest films have been
Hateful 8 was a big imrrovement from Django though.
>>137815650
Girls and powerpoint slides
>>137831136
You could argue that any topic falls under the purview of existentialist thought in a roundabout way like that, but it's still not one of the topics that capital "E" Existentialism, the philosophical school of thought, deals with.
source: My almost completely useless Philosophy degree.
>>137831286
A bunch of cute girls are clearly interested in the male MC? Sounds like a harem to me desu
>>137831409
why'd you get a philosophy degree
>>137818608
To you things seem unexplained or nonsensical. To Japanese people with knowledge of basic mythology and occult it's just retelling and wordplay.
>>137831422
Even though he has a girlfriend?
>>137831422
Technically, I guess. But almost none of the running time is actually dedicated to them being interested in him by second season.
>>137829670
dicks other people draw. >not okay.
dicks 4channers draw. >whatever.
>>137831452
Spoiled for blog, but you asked for it.Because I found it interesting, and was naive enough to believe that academia could be a worthwhile pursuit career-wise.
After graduating I was forced to face reality. I salvaged things to the best of my ability by going to law school. It's often said that philosophy students score higher on the LSATs and do better in law school than pre-law students, because philosophy teaches critical thinking and writing better. Not sure if that's true or not, but I know being a lawyer is the only way to use a Philosophy degree to make any real money, so here I am.
>>137831093
>>137831231
Nise is pretty weak compared to the the rest. I almost dropped it after Bake desu. Cat and then Nise were just a snoozefest.
Second Season and everything after more than made up though.
>>137831519
I'd still say he's sexual enough with the other girls for it to count, but toothbrushes aside, is there even a term for 'would be harem but the MC already has a girlfriend?'
>>137831638
spitting game imo
>>137831638
Hipster garbage
>>137831329
I'm pretty sure you're right. Posters like >>137818608 are exactly the kind of people who didn't get it.
Monogatari isn't really that hard to understand people. But it does require a bit of effort to keep up with everything that's happening in a scene. You can't just sit back and expect to get everything without an ounce of engagement.
>>137831605
How old are you/what's your study age? I'm in a similar position. Hurry, before the mods catch us.
>>137831350
>>137831571
>>137831631
You know I came into this thread expecting some cheap keks at a bad shows expense, but now I actually want to watch an anime again instead of just lurking /a/
>>137831605Well, it sounds like you weren't derailed from making real money for too long so that's good.
>>137831845
It's just that when a series doesn't spoonfeed everything (even when monogatari has it's fair share of spoonfeding) people quickly dismiss it as pretentious when it only requires the viewer to do some small effort to understand it.
I remember the same happening to G-Reco, when people asked stupid things in the threads because they couldn't paid a little more attention and think for themselves when watching it.
>>137831869
Not sure what you mean by study age, and don't see how any of that is relevant to anything. We're too far off topic here. Suffice it to say I'm too old for /a/ but can't seem to leave.
>>137831890
Yes, it's nice to know I will not to have to live off shitty ramen noodles ever again anon
Now, no more talk about my mundane life and misguided educational decisions. We are clearly upsetting Bat.
>>137815650
Dark Souls of anime.
>>137832034
>Not sure what you mean by study age
how long you've been studying
>>137831966
I would never call Monogatari pretentious.
Something like Eva could be called pretentious. Where there is a hint that there is some great deep meaning behind it, but it's never properly explained for various reasons.
Monogatari doesn't ever pretend that it has some deep meaning to tell. It's really clever and witty, but not for any purpose other than to be an interesting work of fiction. It's not like it requires effort to see the real meaning behind it, there isn't any meaning to see. It's just a fun series that takes a little bit of mental effort to keep up with and enjoy. Unlike the people who call it pretentious, some people actually enjoy this kind of thing.
A bunch of words and lewd shit
>>137832211
>there isn't any meaning to see
that's not true, though. It's not hard to glean, but it's definitely there.
>>137832161
Since Kindergarten.
>>137832290
wasn't expecting that image to be so huge
>>137831889
I'm actually midway through a Monogatari rewatch right now, going back and reading all the text scenes this time etc.
Second season is definitely as good as Bake, and the SS snail arc is my favorite arc of the whole series. Kaiki is a great character and has some really enjoyable episodes as well. Nise and Neko aren't bad enough that it's impossible to get through them. Just power through it in a night and keep going.
>>137815650
pretentious moeshit objectively shit autismal pandering fanservice for underage
>>137832254
It's never pretentious meaning though. It's just thematic character development. It wouldn't be out of place in any other work.
It doesn't try and have some big statement about the nature of humanity or something.
>>137815650
Ghosts, gods, and spooks bother perverted Japanese stud, get harassed.
>>137832434
I wonder if it'll get more recognition now that the story is starting to get really serious, what with Hanekawa's globetrtting adventures and Kiss-shot's master showing up.
>>137815650
words words words
fanservice
spooky shit
arguments over best girl
>>137815650
meme anime with easily the shittiest fanbase around
Only watched first season. Cute romance with vampire / monster subplots.
>>137815650
character development out the ass, fanservice and japanese puns
MS Word+MS Powerpoint=$$$$$
Actual character development, cute girls, interesting direction, not for everyone.
I think it's a really good series that's often misinterpreted by people who don't give it a real chance. It's also legit not for everyone, and I can understand if it doesn't appeal to some people. However, I'm going to disregard anyone who says "pretentious" or think it just boils down to fanservice and doesn't have any substance beyond that. Those people either never watched it or simply didn't get it. Which sounds pretentious, but it's true.
>>137829704
look at katanagatari for a better example of nisios's dialog
>>137815650
you keep buying this stuff
so we keep making it.
>>137831422
You do realise the whole thing is a deconstruction of harem right?
>>137815650
Harem deconstructed with real character development and excellently animated fanservice
>>137839285
I agree, but the word 'deconstructed' doesn't mean anything anymore.
Cute girls, great seiyuu, god tier OPs, written by Nisio.
>>137839285
There are deconstructions that play on or take seriously established tropes and deconstructions that try to have its cake and eat it too, monogatari feels like the second to me
>>137832211
>it's never properly explained for various reasons.
What? The finale even goes over shit you should know since the series already went over it in the last 24 episodes and spoon feeds you in case you're an idiot. Apparently, you were too dumb for that.
>>137815790
>Niso is like the Tarantino of anime/manga.
This is possibly the most embarrassing thing I've read on this site, maybe even more so than the masturbation guy a few months ago.
>>137829881
Deathproof was his last good work as far as I'm concerned. The full was by far his best overall.
>>137831400
I too, am a distinguished gentleman of refined preference and, like you, would rather my turds polished than remain piles of shit.
>>137839313
It was always a misapplication of a term used by literary scholars. It has become "a thing" due to persistent misuse by laymen.
>>137839368
Lots of shows nowadays are obnoxiously self-aware, with characters talking about anime tropes. Deconstruction has become a meme word, but if I had to say how Monogatari is more a deconstruction than all these other harem shows, I'd say it's because it suggests how certain personality types might actually develop and how life would suck for someone with that personality. Apart from that, the fourth-wall shit can't even be considered an attempt to deconstruct anything.
>>137815650
I think it's time to stop saying the exact same two things in slightly different ways, faggots.
>>137839368
>monogatari feels like the second to me
I agree, but I think it can largely get away with it. It's a fine balance and I think Monogatari does it well.
>>137815650
stupid
>>137839368
Slightly off topic, but it reminds me of the deadpool movie. It was a subversion of superhero movies but still ended up following the exact same formula anyway. Seems the same with Monogatari and harem.
>>137839659
Definitely the case for Bake, but I wouldn't say Monogatari follows the harem formula after Bake/Nise.
>>137839368
> deconstructions that try to have its cake and eat it too,
Then they are not deconstructions, are they?
They might lean on the fourth wall and hang some lampshades but that's not a part of the deconstruction itself rather as >>137839526 puts it because >it suggests how certain personality types might actually develop and how life would suck for someone with that personality.
You've got to remember that this is work is for entertainment and if it took itself seriously all the time viewers and readers might lose interest. Part of the appeal in monogatari is that Nisio and SHAFT blended it all together so that it was still entertaining to watch. Also if deconstruction itself is going to attract those watch a lot from that genre and those fans are self-aware to some extent but still enjoy it regardless. Just look at battle-harem fags complaining how shit the next one is going to be, but they'll still watch it anyway.
Also off topic but that idiom its genuinely useless.
No-one keeps cakes for the primary purpose of "not eating it"
You can't have it both ways works better because it equally values both options whereas the cake suggest no actually just fuck the cake.
>>137825315
100% fresh squeezed fan right here
>>137839953
I hate use the word "deconstruction" after it has been so thoroughly ran into the ground, but I can't really think of a more fitting description for Monogatari. I guess you could also say it parodies the harem genre, but I'm not sure if it's all that accurate given how often humour is not involved. I'm going to make a weird comparison here. I think Monogatari is like the movie Hot Fuzz, in that it parodies buddy cop movies while being a damn fine buddy cop movie itself, and aside from the comedy a major draw of the film is the exact same elements that make buddy cop movies popular. In the same way, Monogatari is a "deconstruction" of harem, even though there are people who probably are largely drawn to it by the harem elements.
I'm not exactly a professional critic so it's possible that there's a more applicable term for this (I hope so), but there's my thoughts anyway.
>>137840303
It's a bit off topic but I keep coming across it, "Whatever you parody will inevitable become half of your fanbase"
ADHD storyboards weird angles and they talk
