>previous Priest dies
>he was a vanguard and front-line fighter
>get told straight up by someone more experienced that a Priest is a commodity that should be protected
>he also informs you that enemies can identify Priests and will target them
>he hooks you up with a new Priest
>first day on the job
>you try to send her to the front lines
>she refuses
>this baffles you and you retrospectively lament why she won't co-operate
>hurrdurr why won't this Priest rush to the front to die like our old Priest did
There's only so much stupid I can sympathize with,
Mary deserves better than this.
Yes, the party in this anime where the whole point is that they don't know what the fuck they're doing, don't know what they're doing. No wonder they're struggling and poor!
>>137191019
>priests are frail not tanks
>>137191019
>carrying scrubs
But she did nothing.
She worse than them, having lost her whole party.
Expected that from Ranta. He is just that stupid. But Haru too? That's getting ridiculous.
>>137191139
Nothing was the best thing she could do.
I'd rather she not waste her limited heals on babbyscrapes and instead mete them out thoughtfully.
>>137191019
>weaboo jRPG MMO healbots
If the only thing this priests do is heal people that has been brought back to safety they better get some regular battlefield nurse training for themselves and ditch her.
>>137191139
>She WAS worse
FTFY.
She learned the lesson the hard way. Meanwhile Haru's group received the lesson the hard way but still didn't learn.
Not to mention
>muh pride
They could have bought some gear or some potions or scrolls with that gold piece.
>>137191165
That makes me wish that they would fight without an useless healer.
>>137191093
There is only so much stupid one can take before it's time to walk away and let Darwin run his course.
This series is stupid. And not in the good way.
Fine to be a bit naive and stupid, but this is way too much.
At this point I just hope Mary fucks off and they all die, natural selection needs to run its course.
>>137191274
It's a story of newbies learning their way around a harsh world. If you want to watch people who know what they're doing, watch something like SAO instead.
>>137191093
But they weren't struggling nor poor. They earned enough for underwear, new skills, food, and were able to do proper ambushes. Seriously, there wasn't anything anyone else could have done against an ambush and being shot in the back as they were just about to safely leave the city. Seriously, what could Mary have done to prevent being shot in the back!
>>137191358
Mary would also die without a party, wouldn't she?
>>137191369
The characters are not the only stupid part of the series. The support cast, the world, the hamfisted exposition. It's a complete package.
>>137191499
I don't see any problem with it. You're free to stop watching at any time.
>>137191019
Well, she is right about not wasting spells on bullshit (is it like d&d where you have a lited number of prepared spells or standard mmo with mana? If the latter, then maybe she should have healed. Mana regenerates, and if you let someone be too wounded you may not be able to keep up with healing) and she was definitely right about not charging in like a stupid faggot, but she is still extremely unlikable. Hope she dies, or changes drastically.
>>137191556
It seems like it's spells per day.
Hopefully they'll sit around and properly discuss shit instead of rushing out into the battlefield without a plan like retards. This last episode made it clear that they're realizing that communication is actually important.
>>137191369
Except they weren't learning, at least not yet. They've told that the enemy will target priests. They saw it happened to their dear Manato. And still they want Mary to go to the front? That's stupidity beyond tolerance level.
>>137191601
They're slowly coming to the realization that Manato was doing far more than he was supposed to. Next episode they should get their shit together and realize what each party member's actual role is supposed to be.
>>137191601
Seriously? We've been through this multiple times. Manato being in the front line has absolutely nothing to do with them being ambushed and him ultimately being shot in the back as he was the last to leave aka 'being in the fucking back of the group'. Seriously, even Mary wouldn't have been able to do things any differently under those circumstances.
>>137191601
She is unsympathetic and they are too used to having a combat healer.
Without her they might as well focus on easy kills and they would be better off.
>>137191699
>She is unsympathetic
The group is unsympathizeable. They deserve to die every step of the way.
>>137191692
>saw their priest got sniped
>later been told that the enemy will target priests
Yup, no reason for them to keep the priest back.
>>137191699
Unsympathetic? To what? That the dark knight took a scratch?
She's there to keep them alive, not to babysit.
>>137191692
She wouldn't have been on the frontline needing to go into full retreat first off, and she wouldn't have wasted her heals on some retard who scratched his finger, so she'd have healed herself.
Manato was a fucking retard too, he knew what he was and he didn't do anything about it. He never once told the rest of the tards that they should do things differently. Good thing the faggot died, I just hope a few more die too.
>>137191793
Who are they supposed to send to the front row instead? The thief so he gets killed in the first encounter and they've got no way of opening chests?
Why can't their priest wear at least chainmail, carry a blunt like a hammer and use sling for range?
>>137191019
Mary was what i was like in my WoW days. I refused to heal idiots and got kicked from many a raid for this. Good times
>>137191851
> Opening chests
> What is a big ass sword
Thief is the most expendible of the group imo desu senpai.
>>137191848
Haru was shot twice, that's no scratch. Healing him was justified.
The problem is that Manato was taking up the rear on their retreat. You should a tank taking up the rear when you're retreating.
>only ever play sustain tank or healer
>enjoy helping weaker groups out or carrying people
Maybe it's just me, but I always enjoy helping out people learn how to play the game better.
>>137191904
Enjoy getting the whole party poisoned or otherwise killed.
>>137191939
You'd enjoy it less if you'd actually die in real life when you die.
>>137191975
Especially to a group that haven't learn their lesson after how their previous healer died.
>>137191904
>Whack chest with big ass sword
>Destroy the chest and the loot within
Good going, faggot.
The job of a thief is to stealthily get behind enemy lines and deal massive damage to unsuspecting enemies. A thief can take out high priority targets or thin enemy ranks, which is incredibly important to this party as they have trouble dealing with more than 3 or 4 enemies at a time.
The whole party is unoptimized though. Maybe they'll eventually figure out what they're actually supposed to do.
>>137191699
>She is unsympathetic
I sympathized more with her based on this episode alone than i did for anyone else. There's being inexperienced, there's being bad, there's being dogshit and then there's these fucking retards, who pure and simply fucking refuse to learn from their mistakes.
>>137191019
Carrying them would be taking over as leader and helping them git gud or wrecking goblins solo, but she's not doing anything; she just sits on her high horse being a sour puss.
>>137191793
Anon, he was sniped in the back, which has zero bearing by his decision to go frontline. You are going to be very specific how the two are linked here because that shit makes no sense.
>>137191848
Again, it was an ambush, and if you hadn't noticed, he needs to place his hands over the wound to heal it. How the fuck do you expect him to heal the wounds on his back? And what the hell is Mary is going to do against a bolt striking her in her back?
>>137192083
Even if it's completely unrelated, I still think the group is stupid for not realising that maybe, just maybe, they need to change things up a bit in order to avoid the same shit from happening again.
>>137192075
She's a straight healer. She has no attack skills and no abilities other than healing. Her entire job is to sit there and wait for someone to get injured enough that healing them is worth expended a spell slot. Yes, she's a bitch about it, but technically she's playing her role correctly.
>>137191918
Which wouldn't have made a difference since that goblin sniper had near perfect aim. He could have very well went for the headshot and outright killed the tank instead of letting him suffer like Manato had.
>>137191267
>useless healer
>choosing not to use her limited heals on babbyscratches and saving them for unforeseen drastic circumstance
Completely correct tho
>>137192083
>Retreating from battle
>Rear guard is high priority target priest
>>137192147
What same shit from happening? A fucking ambush by peer/better opponents that had had some sort of super aimbot goblin on their side? Even modern day soldiers die to that type of shit.
>>137192156
An experienced archer is going to have little trouble hitting the torso of a moving target. Getting a headshot is significantly more difficult.
If the tank is shot in the back while running away, that can be healed later - or it could if Manato had heals left - but if the healer is shot in the back, he's fucked, as is the rest of the party because now they're out of a healer.
They made a mistake because they never even considered the possibility of ambush. They had no proper escape plans or contingency plans, and that's why Manato died.
>>137191369
There's a difference between "newbies learning" and "dumbfucks being ignorant to direct advice and demonstrating an inability to learn".
Former: good. Latter: bad.
>>137192151
Sometimes expending a spell for something other than healing better since you can prevent more damage than you could heal.
The definition of insanity is losing a healer on the front line and insisting that the next healer goes on the front line. Shit like this is why people think healers are stuck up bitches when in fact they are merely dealing with insufferable retards.
>>137191955
> Whole party crowds around a chest.
YES. If that is the nature of the group then they should ALL die.
>>137192028
Anything that gets destroyed was rusted garbage not worth looting anyway.
>>137192194
>Retreat from battle
>When the enemy has an aimbot crossbow sniper
>Thinking a tank would have made any difference acting as a vanguard against that bullshit
Mate, snipers are no fucking joke. Unless that vanguard is a literal tank, it will be taken care off by that sniper as they are retreating.
>>137192215
We've known they were bad from the get go. They're slow learners who have no idea what they're doing, and even after being told what to do, it's taking them several days for that advice to sink in. Now that Haru has stopped being a retard, next episode they should be able to properly communicate with each other and figure out what their actual roles are supposed to be.
It's not that they have an inability to learn, it's that they're slow to learn. They're quite literally retarded.
>>137192083
>has zero bearing by his decision to go frontline
Are you confusing me with some other anons that's been trolling about Manato or what?
Let me reiterate.
They've been warned about enemy prioritizing priests.
They saw their priest got sniped.
People with common sense would think that sending the priest to the front probably isn't a good idea.
I'm not talking about Manato's decision to be a melee healer, that's an whole other issue.
>>137192215
They can't learn because they dont know what they did wrong. They arent dumb, they are really fucking retarded.
>retards in charge of party roles
>>137191851
>Who are they supposed to send to the front row instead?
Ranta and Moguzo.
Not the Priest. Anyone but the Priest.
>>137192209
Anon, that crossbow sniper hit Haruhito in his fucking leg from far away. It purposely grinned evilly as it aimed lower for Manato's back. Everything suggests it could have sniped him in the head/neck if it wanted to. The anime made that point explicitly clear on that part.
>>137192244
Well she doesn't seem to have any other kinds of spells, as she's a straight healer, so her entire job is to sit back and wait until healing is worth it.
>>137192252
You're supposed to loot chests for things to sell you retard.
>>137192297
You need three people for the front row.
>>137192202
It's more like what >>137192209 said about the lack of planning and foresight. It's not necessarily the ambush itself, but rather what they could have done to prevent it from becoming as bad as it did. The way I see it, they got cocky, and it bit them back.
>>137192168
There were no "babbyscratches" in the last episode.
She contributed nothing.
guys what is the name of this anime, it seems interesting.
>>137192330
Just not the Priest, though. Anyone but, literally anyone.
That's the point of a priest.
>>137192266
Anon, being in the backline means absolutely nothing when the enemy is an aimbot sniper. If he wants to snipe you, then he snipes you, no amount of positioning will stop that. Which is what I am also arguing about. We have zero idea how effective Manato being in the front line would be since he fucking died form something unrelated to that part.
>>137192314
There's a big difference between a mobile target and a stationary one. He was waiting in ambush of Manato and hit Haru instead, which brought him to the ground as he took a large wound. Then, from his grounded position, he became an easy target.
This is completely different from headshotting someone running away 100 yards away. Grinning because you're about to fuck a team up by shooting its' healer in the back is not the same as being an almighy, god tier hawkeye who can shoot a fly from a million miles away.
>>137192339
How does one get cocky from losing every single battle?EROTIC.
>>137192358
Yeah there was. Ranta took one on the leg and she refused to mete out a precious heal for something not entirely necessary.
Good call. Based Mary demonstrating battlefield wit.
>>137192262
I dunno breh, looks like they have an outright inability thus far.
They were told point blank the case and ignored it. The progression of this last episode was tantamount to "sad, sad, sad, blowjob joke"
>>137192339
It was an ambush, by a group that is better than them. Do you know who survives against well-executed ambushes by a peer opponent without any casualties? Barely no one.
>>137191484
> there wasn't anything anyone else could have done against an ambush and being shot in the back as they were just about to safely leave the city
spot the animefag
>>137192415
They started out unable to kill even a single goblin and slowly learned enough to take on 3-4 at a time. They're not incapable of learning, simply slow.
The point of this episode was to show that, yes, this retarded party full of retards is too retarded to understand what they're told up front. Because they're retarded, it takes time for these to sink in, and now that it has, they can work to properly fix the problems their retarded asses clearly have.
>>137192380
Priests tend to be well armored and can take a better beating than other classes.
>>137191019
but muh guts and spirit.
>>137192401
They got incredibly cocky just because they figured out how to take out sleeping targets and mapped out the city a bit. Who the fuck takes off their shoes across enemy lines?
>>137191093
when common sense escapes you then maybe you should be dead.
This series for me has been shit so far. The story is okay.
The characters infuriate me, especially Ranta and Yume. Ranta needs to die a horrid death and Yume needs to change class.
But the worst thing about this series is the horrible directing.
Whoever directed this shit, whoever turned this anime into a fucking slideshow needs to be lynched.
>>137192519
Gee, maybe that's why they're having so many troubles and not succeeding like Renji's group.
>>137192538
The group is having troubles because the party members' personalities clash too much or do not mesh too well. It took a week just for them to finally cooperate as a team.
>>137191369
there is a middle ground between being a retard and god mode.its hard to feel for characters whos problems are there own fault
>>137192391
And he was waiting in ambush against Manato at the end as well. And they were running away in nearly a straightline. And bullshit on how much easier on hitting him on the leg, Haruhito was twitching all over the place from being hit in the shoulder. An easy shot would have been toward his torso instead of the much smaller and moving around leg. The fact that they focus on the close-up on the goblin purposely lowering his aim to hit his back is implicitly showing it could have hit him in the head if it wanted to.
>>137192568
That too. They're literally the leftovers. Renji took everyone who was actually competent. Their entire situation is less than ideal.
>>137192387
Wait, let me get this clear. So you are saying, that since it's possible for snipers to hit people in the back row, they should just send the healer to the front, allowing enemy melee fighters access to the healer, so that not only is the healer at risk of getting sniped she's also at risk of getting cut down?
I don't know if you ever play MMO, but if you do, don't let people know about your tactics when you are looking for healer.
>>137192415
>Ranta took one on the leg
Making him less effective and less able to retreat.
>battlefield wit
Which was useless.
>>137192294
>priest tank
No wonder why he died.
Yume is so terrible with a bow, why even bother? Why doesn't she just become a breeding sow for a rich gentleman? Her life would be a lot more enjoyable.
>>137192452
Gee, if the anime has purposely rewritten the scene that is different from the original source, we can totally use the original source to prove how much the scenes are the same despite how different they are.
>>137191851
>Who are they supposed to send to the front row instead?
I drew a diagram.
>>137192526
I think it's alright. Nothing incredible, but it's better than your average MMO anime and good enough to keep me coming back every week.
>>137192488
That's nice, but in Grimgar they're clearly defined as clothies that must be protected.
Drunk dude and Mary reinforced this, as did Manato's death.
>>137192625
This. They need to git gud or start whoring themselves
>>137192638
>>137192580
>An easy shot would have been toward his torso instead of the much smaller and moving around leg.
He wanted to disable Haru so that retreat was less likely. And yes, shooting a stationary target - even if he's thrashing around - in the leg is significantly easier than shooting a moving target 100 yards away in the head.
And further, lowering your aim does not imply that you could have shot someone in the head. It means that the goblin realized that the most practical and sure-fire way to hit Manato was to aim for his back, and so that's what he did.
Hell, with your logic why didn't he just aim for Manato's heart? He clearly has amazing, perfect aim and can just throw out fatal shots like candy.
>>137192599
Seems like you're just ignoring what happened.
It was something not necessary to be dealt with. Manato had literally one heal per day, using that on an arrow to Haru cost him his life.
It was the right call. Ranta could still move for a bit before taking a knee, he could continue to fight.
>>137192594
It's called being a combat medic, you fucktard. Or are you saying medics that purposely go out to the front line to save lives are idiots? We have no idea of how effective Manato's strategy would have been since he was taken out by something unrelated to that strategy. It's like saying blitzkreig would have never worked because one of the generals was poisoned.
>>137192638
>Only competent member of the team with wits.
>Not best girl
>Hunter doing melee dps
>Best girl
Shit taste
>>137192754
You should not combat medic when you're inexperienced and your entire party is a mess. Save the advanced tactics for when you actually advance.
Everyone being retards actually made me wish for a hack to show up and start teaching them.Or at least drag Yume away because fuck everyone else in the group
>>137192700
Because it wanted Manato to suffer before he died. How much more obvious can the anime get in regards to that? If the goblin wanted him dead immediately, then Manato would have been dead from the headshot, but it grinned evilly and aimed lower, and now we saw just how much Manato had suffered before he died. Mission fucking accomplished.
>>137192672
Manato died because he didn't ration his spells and they didn't retreat fast enough.
Mary is inexperienced herself and the drunk an idiot.
>>137192638
I like how you just got really angry when you outlined what Yume and Shihoru should be doing
They're really fucking useless
>>137192754
A cleric is a combat medic.
Manato was a nurse that should've stayed in the field base to treat wounds later.
>>137192808
And we ultimately don't know how effective it would have been since he died to something unrelated to him being a combat medic.
>>137192637
It wasnt hopgoblins that ambushed the party, but party that ambushed hopgoblin. In earlier pages thief scouted them
>>137192754
Priests must place their own safety above those of his comrades for if he dies, who will do the healing? Priests must sacrifice a member or two if it meant that he survives to save the rest.
>>137192754
This is bait right?
They didn't ask the healer to go to the front because they needed healing, they planed to use her as a melee fighter. That's like ordering the combat medics to go first in a charge.
>>137192821
You're projecting. It's just as likely that he was grinning because he knew he was about to take out the team's healer. This is further reinforced by us being told explicitly that enemies are aware of and like to target healers.
You're reaching far too hard to look for an excuse, but the fact of the matter is that they were unprepared and got punished for it. Everything requires tactical thought put into it, not just battle. If you're running away, you need a plan on how to run away so that you can minimize your loses. They didn't do that, and that resulted in Manato's death.
>>137192832
>the guy with more experience than them giving them advice as to the roles a priest should fulfill is to be ignored
>mary, who follows a similar train of thought, is also wrong
>he missed the entire point of the episode that they were relying too heavily on Manato and forcing roles onto him that he was not apt for
I mean, did you just tune out when Moguzo was chastising himself for not doing his job and protecting the Priest? They're not armoured units in Grimgar, you can tell that by fucking looking at them.
They wear cloth, dipshit.
>>137192638
Moguzo needs to get his shit together and go to the front with Ranta. Haru needs to be a little back to find opportune uses for his backstab skill. Ranta needs to be used as a lure and also he needs to be in the front so that he can die faster.
Yume and Shihoru need ranged DPS. We don't need another dagger user, we need more ranged ability.
>>137192864
Anon, we're not talking about the LN. The anime has deviated enough from it that we can't use the LN to directly compare to what happened within the anime. Manato never ambushed that hobgoblin within the anime.
>>137192866
Mate, stop. Right now, you're practically insulting every doctor and combat medics that goes into warzones to save lives.
>>137192821
The grin could have been anything. Maybe it grinned because it's simply thinking "Gotcha."
>>137191019
Because Menetu fucking invested his stats on STR and WIL.
>>137192970
Triage is a thing.
>>137192906
Because they can't afford more.
Moguzo should have shared parts of his armor to equalize their armor classes. As it is he just gets ignored anyway.
>>137192920
Why did Yume learn that dagger attack? Surely she wouldn't find it pleasant to be in the face of a goblin. She gave up on archery but don't hunters also learn about other things? What about traps?
>>137192970
>Mate, stop. Right now, you're practically insulting every doctor and combat medics that goes into warzones to save lives.
some of them are retards and no person without personal issues is going to keep operating while the bombs are dropping or whatever is it you learn from black jack and us tv shows
>>137192970
>Mate, stop. Right now, you're practically insulting every doctor and combat medics that goes into warzones to save lives.
Pretty much, if heals are melee range like in Grimgar or real life then the healer will frequently have to put themselves in harms way, it's the way it goes. Mary is just a cunt
>>137192894
They were unprepared against an ambush. I'm not trying to sound like a smartass here, but isn't the part of it being an ambush means to not let them be prepared for it? There's really nothing anyone could have done to prepare for something that they weren't suppose to be expecting. Otherwise, it's not called an ambush.
>>137192970
>The anime has deviated enough from it that we can't use the LN to directly compare to what happened within the anime.
ah, sorry
>>137192920
> We don't need another dagger user, we need more ranged ability.
Mogs is the real tank and high DPS but so far hes barely doing anything aside from being a pack mule who can cook. He needs to step it up and start slaying bodies. Haru is a support and shouldn't actively be tackling enemies one on one. The chimp is the most well rounded fighter, and aside from being stupid hes doing an okayish job.
The real issue is the range bitches utterly failing at absolutely everything. Who the fuck plays hunter and can't use a bow? A shadow magic caster too nervous and shy to say simple spells aloud when around men? Get the fuck out of here. Those two should be plenty for a solid rear defense to keep the healer guarded and keep perspective over the battlefield.
>>137193028
Do you have anything to substantiate that they're armoured units, though?
Because the three priests we've seen so far are cloth-wearers. One of whom was the leader of the Priest's guild, and obviously someone who could afford more.
There's also that this recent episode spent a decent portion of itself establishing that they're commodities to be protected and kept away from the front lines.
The notion that they "tend to be armoured units" is something that lies in other universes and quite clearly takes no root in Grimgar.
>>137192970
Youre not a medic. I am a field medic. Our training doesnt include "Charge into enemy fire and motar to pull that one idiot who got shot in the hip and cant move"
>>137193032
She learned the dagger attack because she's completely worthless with a bow. She thought that, because she can't do anything with range, it would be better to learn something melee so she can contribute at least something. Her logic makes sense, but it's ultimately not good for the party.
>>137193059
Well, it'd be too late for Manato but the easiest way to avoid almost all ambushes would be a hawk pet for the hunter
>>137193059
When you're across enemy lines, you need to be prepared for everything, even what you can't prepare for. You are responsible for coming up with as many contingency plans as possible; you need to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
They did this to an extent by mapping out the city. This allowed them to figure out an escape route in the heat of the moment. However, they did not prepare enough to plan out a proper way to retreat. As a result, they left Manato unprotected bringing up the rear, and he died. This could have been avoided if they had properly planned for what they would do if they needed to retreat.
>>137193092
Gunplay =/= sword & sorcery
>>137193092
But you are armed and trained to defend yourself and your patients, aren't you? How is this any different from Manato learning to defend himself with his staff?
>>137193059
It's an ambush from the enemies' perspective, thinking they have the upper hand. That doesn't mean there isn't a proper method of conduct to minimize damage and/or losses. The fact that they didn't even consider the possibility of getting ambushed (being overly confident) is what cost them.
>>137193090
There's still the possibility priests can take a tankier branch. For example, Yume became a dagger user when it is implied the default weapon for her class is the bow. Or maybe there is a tankier priest class.
>>137192970
Commanders do view medical personnels and combat medics in high value, because, well, they really are more valuable than regular soldiers. And while combat medics are still in combat roles, commanders wouldn't put them in risky positions unless there is no other choice.
You are the one that's insulting real life military commanders and medics intelligence.
>>137193191
We are doing our shit in the backlines. Well away from the carnage. Manato went all the way into the front lines. When youre the only medic in your squad youre not supposed to become fodder.
>>137193161
No one was expecting the sniper waiting for them at the end. And no, even modern day soldiers with all their fancy gears and absolute on high alert are still very prone to ambushes. Vietnam is a prime example of this.
Why are you still watching this guro fanfic trash?
>>137193191
Manato didn't just defend himself, he was more of a dps than all the others.
>>137193045
Uh. The only reason those grizzled scarred combat medics go in front is so they can save their team mate.
They don't do it to kill the enemy, which is exactly what happened in this "babbys first pug" disaster of a series.
>>137193225
There's the possibility, yes, but everything we've seen and heard about their roles and use contradicts that directly.
>>137193090
He wasn't in the field at that point so it's a moot point.
Priests are established as using blunt weapons only so they're well comparable to priests from similar settings. I've never seen something were priests have the same restrictions on armor as arcane casters.
They wouldn't need to restrict themselves to blunt weapons if they weren't capable of melee combat.
>>137193191
The difference is recognizing what is reasonably possible and what is suicide-ly insane. Going back to what that previous anon said.
>Our training doesn't include "Charge into enemy fire and mortar to pull that one idiot who got shot in the hip and cant move"
>>137193265
>>137191211
That gold piece was the viewers one-way ticket to plot development and some existential question being asked, instead we get more forced tears and suffering.
>>137193094
Yes but why can't she learn about traps or some other skills?
>>137193256
That's not the part of the ambush that is up for debate, anon. We all agree that the initial sniper shot that set off the ambush was unavoidable for this group.
The issue being debated is how they retreated. They did not properly plan ahead or even think about how they should retreat. It's likely they don't even realize that you need to apply strategy to a retreat either. As a result, they left Manato in the rear, leaving him as a prime target to get sniped while they ran away.
>>137191019
>no one except Ranta understands the role of their class
>thief taking the role of a warrior
>hunter can't shoot for shit and just uses her knife all the time
>mage constantly fucks up her own spells and stutters the incantation
>Warrior is much of a pussy to put his crazy strength to good use
>>137193331
I would assume learning skills costs money and since they are dirt poor she didnt learn traps.
>>137193331
It's not that she can't, it's that she didn't. Skills cost money, so as until they get their shit together, they're not getting any new skills.
Yume wanted to contribute to what was happening on the battlefield. In order to contribute to a battle, the most obvious way to do so is to learn how to do damage. She can't do damage with a bow, so she decided to switch to a dagger because that way, even though she's not properly specialized for it, she can do damage and contribute.
The problem is that she's a archer who doesn't fucking arch. Yume needs to get her shit together and do her actual job.
>>137193094
I don't think her logic is that good. No one is going to be a great archer without any practice. She gave up without even trying much just because it's easier to swing a blade on something crudely rather than aiming properly with a bow.
>>137193428
I'm not saying her logic is good, just that it makes sense. It makes sense why a bad, new player would invest points in easier to use skills than harder but more effective skills.
I'm not excusing her going melee as a fucking ranged class. I'm just saying that I understand her thought process.
>>137193295
>it's a moot point
It's not, though.
>because they use blunt weapons they regularly use armour despite that we've seen no substantiation for this
That's good and all, and perhaps at higher levels they gain the ability to use armour, but you're missing the core point: we're talking about scrubs.
Manato and Mary are not high levels nor do they have access to armour. They're still in that stage wherein they must be protected and every source indicates that's the stage in which Priests perpetually reside.
Basically, you're spouting pure conjecture with very little basis that has zero pertinence to the instance you're applying it to, anyway.
>>137193377
>>137193405
I mean, why learn a dagger skill instead of a trapping skill. That can't be a higher level skill.
>>137193428
She was pretty much thinking in the short term. Being able to deal damage was all that mattered, but in the long run it screws her over because she's an archer, not a front liner.
>>137193473
I just fucking told you why. She wanted to contribute to battle and is worthless with a bow, so she learned another attack skill that she is actually capable of using.
>>137193231
But they still sent them to the frontline, so having them learn some combat training is a must.
>>137193245
Considering he had no other choice since him being in the backline in Grimgar is still within targetting range of enemy rane weapons and that he can't afford to lose any of them due to very limited personnel, I say he's just making good use of his limited resources. Because he does not have a reserve to work with here, nor does he had a forward base and armored vehicles to protect him as he moves forward to save lives. The quicker they end the battle, the safer everyone else will be.
>>137193473
Maybe traps themselves costs money?
>>137193405
Can you niggers fuck off already? Melee hunter is viable assuming she learns utility skills eventually. Better that than using a bow you're awful with and eventually accidentally shooting your party in the back.
Unfortunately this series only hits a few of the MMO tropes that piss people off so much:
> Huntard
> Melee priest
> GRRRRL gamer don't sit on me hilly boys
To keep up with the rest of the MMO community they need to hit the other pug disasters such as the
> Blow your load mage
> "im a deeps durr" tank
> stealthless rogue
>>137193460
Remember this isn't a game. Their learning process isn't click-ok-pay-money-bang-done. They had to undergo training, just not shown. So I don't think we should assume that she didn't try, even though she probably should try harder.
>>137191019
Why is Ranta such a shit?
>>137193526
>Mogzo
>Not armoured vehicle
Mogzo can block arrows with his plate. Manato is supposed to be at the back with Shihoru, if mobs get close Shihoru needs to bind them. Manato will be safe from almost all harm i guarantee it.
>>137193470
Ranta is barely wearing armor either. Haruhiro and Yume even less. They need protection as well.
If someone should take the risk it's the healer because he can heal himself faster than he can other members.
>>137193541
Shouldn't learning about trap also involve learning how to make the trap?
>>137193562
The party already has more than enough melee classes. It's lacking in ranged support and her class is mainly used for range. And fuck off with melee hunter; that's just as retarded as combat mage. These people are not thinking far ahead enough to specialize into advanced playstyles. They're working in the short term and making bad decisions.
Melee hunter could work, potentially, yes. But that's sure as hell not Yume's intention. She's essentially just abandoning her class's main quirk because she's not good at it.
>>137193564
I'm not saying she didn't try, and like I said I understand her reasoning. The problem is that she's an archer who doesn't use a bow. It's her job to practice as long as it takes until she can use the basic tools of her class properly.
>>137193628
>Be healer
>Take sword to face
>Cant heal properly, missing face doesnt help
>Huntard and Thief gets minor scratches
>Cant heal them, im ded
>They die from infection
>>137193473
She wanted to take a direct place in combat like the others, she probably felt useless.
>>137193628
>if someone should take the risk it's the only guy capable of healing wounds with less offensive capability than the others (except for Shihoru, but that's an issue of basic competence, not potential)
>>137193628
Good god
You're supposed to protect your fucking cleric
What kind of retard put their cleric at front line?
Unless they're playing DnD based game, of course
>>137193601
Because someone has to be. You'll come to find out his defense mechanism is to assume everyone already thinks he's a shit and acts accordingly. In an odd sort of way, he's the most selfless of the party because he lets them abuse him and doesn't just bail on them.
>>137193628
>>137193680
Protip: She is useless.
Yume's only useful class function isfor breeding future generations of retards.
>>137193738
I want to get retarded with yume if you know what I mean
>>137193710
He has too big of an ego and is loud mouthed. I wouldnt mind if he had a sharp tongue and quick wits but hes retarded so fuck him
>>137193562
Problem is, you have no ranged dps in this party now. With one more melee character it's even harder for shihoru to hit anything with her cc magic, and she already sucks at that.
ITT: no D&D players
>>137193655
>They're working in the short term and making bad decisions.
It's fucking perma-death m8, short term thinking is the only option if you're as bad as them, they won't survive if they try to play the long game.
I'm not saying ranged is a bad thing, if it were up to me they'd all have bows and train for both melee/distance, but it's just not feasible for an airhead with two left hands like Yume.
I'm really annoyed about how this show kills goblins then shows us cute goblins being conscientious sentient beings in the end card. Fuck this.
>anons saying the new healer is wrong for not going with the team's suicidal wishes
>defending previous Priest and co.'s tactics
What happened to /a/ all of a sudden?
I thought we were having fun by pointing out how stupid these adventurers were
Even the characters within the anime are making fun of them
>>137193777
Tbf the rules of Grimgar seem a lot less forgiving than D&D.
>>137193694
What game isn't DnD based? I never had problems with clerics in the midst of battle.
Only in Wiz did I swap with my thief because they're even more useless in the back row.
>>137193777
Cleric in this anime can't wear heavy armor and use dual fucking flail silly anon
>>137193680
Luring a goblin into a trap would've been a lot more useful. Spikes through the feet would be more effective than her puny dagger attack.
>>137193778
>It's fucking perma-death m8, short term thinking is the only option if you're as bad as them,
They're not in a video game where weapons can only be used in a dungeon. That bitch should be practicing archery 8 hours every fucking day. No excuses.
>>137193778
>short term thinking is the only option if you're as bad as them
Anon, we agree with each other. I'm saying that I understand Yume's decisions, but ultimately it's bad for her and the party.
>>137192638
I'd say swap Haru and Ranta, make him sneak ahead and scout, plant traps, slit some throats, AKA [b]PLAY HIS FUCKING CLASS[/b]. If/when detected, hightail the fuck outta there and fall back on your combat formation.
>>137193782
GOBLINS ARE PEOPLE TOO!
>>137193817
In old school DnD you'd die fast and easy as well. Newer editions were more forgiving for starters.
>>137193622
It takes time for Shihoru to cast her spell, and as we have seen, she really can't cast any spell without LoS, which also makes her vulnerable to enemy fire. But as I have repeated so many times, we have no idea how far Manato's strategy would have paid off/failed spectacularly since he died from something unrelated to his decision to go in the front line. For all we know, the bashing is just in the beginning until the others stop relying on him and he can pay for more healing spells. And let's be honest here, those guys need all the help they can fucking get.
>>137193819
Game that don't based on DnD rule set where Cleric can't wear heavy armor and use flail to fuck everything that move at front line?
Did this place remind anyone else of Ragnarok Online thieves guild? I wonder if they're taking inspiration from RO for this anime.
>>137193822
Actually we don't know if the priests in Grimgar wear armors, but we do know that neither Manato nor Mary was wearing armors, so those who keep brining up melee cleric or tanking cleric are just shitposting.
>>137193883
What game doesn't allow clerics to wear armour?
>>137193839
>>137193838
Ok, we'll just agree that they're all retards then, except maybe Ranta who does his job properly despite being a shit
>>137193933
A lot, actually
Well, they can, but they can't wear heavy armor
JRGP vs MMO
Pick one.
>>137193778
Anon, there's no point in thinking and planning for the future when you are starving to death in the present. And since it's only been a fucking month, how much long term planning could you expect to pull off?
>>137193906
Forgot pic.
Did this place remind anyone else of Ragnarok Online thieves guild? I wonder if they're taking inspiration from RO for this anime.
>>137193933
Amtgard.
>>137193883
> D&D
> Cleric
> Front line battletank
> D&D
> Melee
> Ever
None of this would have happened if they had the most overpowered piece of shit ever made in ancient times.
>>137194009
Legit build in 3.5
It's pretty fucking fun senpai
>>137194009
>Not playing a Dervish
>Not dancing around the battlefield as a whirlwind of death who can also jump 500 feet in the air at a moments notice just for the fuck of it
>>137193912
>mfw Mary and Manato are stuck in newbie land because all the smart cleric went combat specced and had already left for better and harder content
>>137193972
Normally they get the third best armour after Paladins and fighters. Always better than rogues and at least on par with gish.
>>137192622
But that's the whole idea of the show, these are a bunch of noobs who never mmorpger'd in their life trying to survive. They have no idea what they're doing. You're watching the shitty party, the good players are with the other dude.
>>137194057
True fact. Heavy-armour Cleric with a shield and morningstar ruined many a salty Fighter's win streak.
>>137194057
> Legit 3.5 builds
> Not wizard or sorc
>turning down a gold coin because muh pride
>having pride when you're a retard
>not seeing it as an investment
>not making Renji-Senpai proud by using that gold coin to outfit yourself with better equipment, skills and progressing as Human beans
>dropping it back into his hand like an ungrateful manlet swine
Hiro is the hero that nobody deserves
>>137191019
Grimgar is essentially a show about nips learning proper MMO mechanics the hard way.
Wizardry games are a big thing there and yet most nips are fucking horrible in normal MMO party plays and can't handle proper raids.
>>137193985
For sure, that was my point. Forget tomorrow, just survive today.
>>137193877
>But as I have repeated so many times, we have no idea how far Manato's strategy would have paid off/failed spectacularly since he died from something unrelated to his decision to go in the front line.
Do they have paladins in Grimgar? He should have just been one and gone Deus Vult on heathen monster scum while still having a few heals just in case
>>137194123
>these are a bunch of noobs who never mmorpger'd in their life
I thought that was the PSO2 anime
>>137193563
> Blow your load mage
> "im a deeps durr" tank
> stealthless rogue
im pretty sure KonoSuba is covering that
>>137194185
This season's got everything covered.
>>137194123
I get that. The problem is it went a bit too far on the retarded side.
>>137194185
KonoSuba's rogue actually has stealth, tho
And the tank is a legit tank incarnate who doesn't dps at all
>>137194149
He's probably trying to save up enough money for the armor and weapon. For all we know, maybe paladin/war cleric are top-tier shit and he was speccing for it with his combat skills instead of heals. But then a rival PC monster group found out and took him out before he breaks the game.
>>137194139
Meh It's more fun to play as a unstoppable melee cleric where you go to the front line and fuck everything up instead of sit back and cast spell
>>137194258
Haru was taking issue with the amount of money that got divided earlier, right? Manato probably has a sweet stash saved up somewhere under his straw mattress.
>>137194270
Eh, nothing wrong with both styles as they are both fun in their own way.
>>137194270
You still get spells of the same capability as well.
Only thing that could rival a cleric was the druid.
>>137194329
>just a shit-ton of Shihoru's nudes
>>137194270
I couldn't agree more, which is probably why they nerfed Cleric in later editions and in Pathfinder.
>>137194245
darkness is more like the "Hurr-durr im chain pulling the entire instance" tank
>>137194057
I have one in mypathfindergroup, frontline cleric is pretty sick too bad war priest is a better alternative if you want that now
>>137194329
Maybe that's why the head priest said Manato had so much potential? He knew he would turn out to be a fine paladin/war cleric when be chose to pick bash over the healing spells like all of the other shitty healers.
>>137191019
I'll take this over the usual "MC is so OP that he literally breaks the game to win" bullshit I've been seeing in so many MMO animu
>grimgar isnt all that much like a game except for skills
>every viewer treats it as a game and tries to project either their WoW playing experience or D&D power trip fantasys onto the series
I actually like Grimgar minus the slow pacing thats starting to undertrump Rokka but this really isnt a show I can enjoy watching with /a/.
Also you guys need to accept that they are their own characters and not self-insert targets.
>>137194258
It's true we never find out his whole plan, but if that's his plan shouldn't he act like a paladin AFTER he got armors? What? Was he getting familiarized with the role beforehand?
>>137194149
There is the whole unholy knight shit, so I don't see why not.
>>137194363
Darkness makes me feel all funny
>>137193373
Ranta waves his sword around and get's lucky if he lands a hit. At least his inherit rat genes gives +5 to evasion.
>>137194258
>>137194329
>>137194378
>tfw Manato was the only one building for lategame and only died because his team panicked and didn't retreat properly
Goodnight sweet prince, those idiots didn't deserve you. ;_;
>>137194446
Hes not a rat, hes just supposed to be Vietnamese.
So hes a rat.
>>137194409
No xp system here, you have to pay for skills, so rather than wate precious gold on learning the useless heals, he just specced for combat so he can buy his armor and weapon immediately afterward.
>>137194446
Bleed damage is just fine.
>>137194400
>grimgar isnt all that much like a game except for skills
And classes.
>>137194452
Mary > Fagato
>>137194400
no the characters really just have no common sense. If people get seriously injured or knocked out the priest can bring them back up, if the priest gets taken out they are done for. That very simple logic has nothing to do with games.
>>137194471
I love that "skills" they learn are stupid shit like "Cut diagonally" or "use that big stick you're always carrying to hit someone with."
>>137194400
>Also you guys need to accept that they are their own characters and not self-insert targets.
They're self-inserts for blocks of wood and roadkill.
People in India watch this and relate.
Haru's a fucking poo in the loo.
>>137194478
Damn, the animation is top quality.
>>137194548
They're clearly putting their entire budget into the fight scenes, which is why they have to fill so much time with slideshow music videos.
Manato was supposed to be in the other party. There is probably some lost loser in the other party who was destined for this one but ended up there for some reason.
>>137194509
You are just saying this using your shitty RPG experiences. There are plenty of RPGs where healers can be on the frontline and this is not a fucking game.
They die if they get seriously injured, there are no HP sponge guys for outdrawn encounters or anything. You are not applying logic here, your view is just too narrow.
Having just 1 more person hitting somebody to death and holding the front helps a lot.
>>137194400
But it's fun to make fun of them and how stupid they are
>>137194452
That's kinda the ironic thing. In d&d 3.5, all of them are actually specced for late game combat. 2h fighter, duskblade, sneak attack rogue, melee ranger (bows really suck), battlefield control mage and melee cloistered cleric.
>>137192638
You're a dumbass that thinks that battlefield control<damaging spells. Opinion disregarded.
>>137194452
I guarantee you he wasn't doing anything for himself. Any money he was saving was probably going to be used to buy the other party members things. After Haru starts taking leadership seriously, he realized that Manato probably never thought about doing things for himself.
>>137194516
Luckily the skills they learn later on start to actually look like proper skills. Ranta especially picks up some really flashy ones. Don't underestimate Mogzo's simple looking skills, though. His THANK YOU cut is actually one of his strongest skills.
>>137194600
Except when not a single person in the party can hold their own then no, the Priest should not be at the front lines tanking.
Would you have taken it?
>>137194650
>here, have control when you can't deal any damage
>>137194636
As it turns out, late game builds don't work super well early game because you don't have anything of what you need to supplement that playstyle. Turns out there's a reason they're lategame builds.
>>137194516
Most martial arts are like that as its basic. Every techniques are just variants of punch, kick, block, and throw.
>>137194650
>Have 5 sec AOE stun
>Teammate can't deal damage for shit
ebin
>>137194471
There is absolutely no indication of that. But fine, lets go with your head canon, that's still retarded. This isn't a game. In games people might do this because if they get unlucky and die they can just rez. In Grimgar, people die when they get killed.
>>137194672
The coin or Haru? Because Yes.
>>137194657
>Except when not a single person in the party can hold their own then no, the Priest should not be at the front lines tanking.
Its exactly the opposite. When nobody can hold their own then anybody has to help hold the front.
Otherwise its just the priest running away after the front row died.
Also Manato only has a touch heal spell. How the fuck do you guys even imagine this to work?
>strings
>>137194690
Umm..., all of those work in early game. It's just at early game, HP are so low, that fights are won and lost at who won initiatives and lucky crits, which was exactly what caused the death of Manato.
>>137194672
>use coin to not fight again for a month or more
>maybe training a bit
>be happy because no fear of death
>fuck yume
>>137194657
I still can't tell if his demon is supposed to be a real thing at all. It wouldn't surprise me if he's just making up shit to try and impress everyone else.
>>137194720
Anon, I was joking, but paying for skills does seem to be how things work in Grimgar if going by what we are shown in the anime and LN spoilers.
>>137194725
In that case Shehole should grab a dagger and kill chaos.
