>Can't watch Original DVD's because Ocean dub
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
>Can't watch Ultimate Uncut or Levels Set because incomplete
>Can't watch Orange Bricks or Blurays because cropped
>Can't watch Kai because cut content and incomplete
How is it possible to enjoy this show?
>Can't watch Kai because cut content and incomplete
but you don't want all of DBZ, so this is a good thing
Just buy Kai DVDs, you wuss. Or find it on TV while you're browsing /a/ and then look at the screen when you hear yelling
>>136120270
watch DBZ:A
>>136120270
DBZ was designed to make autists suffer.
>>136120270
My honest advice is to accept that this is a 20+ year old show from Japan and watch it in Japanese.
READ THE MANGA
>>136120270
Watch the original Dragonball, it's superior in literally every way.
>>136120883
If I can have an autistic fit, it's really annoying how many people haven't read it. Not to mention those who like fillers.
>>136121472
this
>>136121472
with perverted bullshit every episode? I wouldn't recommend that to most people
>>136121573
Leave
>>136121472
/thread dbz fags get out
Read the manga
OR
watch Kai
We had this thread yesterday.
Seriously, watch DBZ Kai. I was like that too when I was 14 but then I realized that when it takes 20 years to charge up in a battle it's not worth it.
Generally in most tv shows filler is meant to do 2 things: to save their budget for other episodes and to further cement the characters. In all honesty all the sagas until after Cell saga stood perfectly fine without filler.
It really isn't worth sitting through 20 episodes of Gohan befriending a robot only to have it never referenced again. Just watch Kai.
Kai is also incomplete
>>136121630
you know I'm right
>>136120270
>>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
fuckin americunt
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
You what nigga!? What other music would you listen to?
Vid related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_heGDWUtg
Dragon Ball has an excellent OST.
>>136120677
The best answer.
Alternatively... read the manga or watch Kai. Both are better than the Z anime, especially its dub.
>>136121685
That new Gohan voice though.
Fucking terrible.
>>136122053
I'll still take it over the obscene amount of filler of the original DBZ
>>136120270
Dragon Box that has jap voice w/ jap music, english dub w/ jap music, and english dub w/ english music.
Or watch it on funimation's website if you want eng dub w/ eng music.
Watch Dragon Ball, read "Dragon Ball Z".
>>136122457
I don't think you can get all of them anymore.
I'm still missing volume 2.
>>136122457
It says on the Wiki that Dragon Boxes exclude the english music to save bitrate.
>>136121843
What the fuck is this? Is it his song, did he steal it, or did DB steal it?
>>136122666
Good question. I couldn't find an answer but it's an awesome rendition either way.
>>136122457
The Dragon Boxes were spared the blight of any replacement music. The 5.1 English track with the real music was barely even included as a bonus.
>>136122494
>>136122591
I'm thinking of whatever I had once downloaded that had all three tracks on them.
It seems the current version I have is just english and japanese only, with the original music.
>>136122666
>>136122752
They came out like 20 years apart.
>>136122053
Nadolny's Gohan always sounded too old for the character's age. That slightly deeper and goofy voice was fine for age 12-15 kid Goku, but didn't really fit the meeker age 4-11 kid Gohan. The touch of femininity in the voice Clinkenbeard does for him is perfectly suitable.
Why is Kai's soundtrack so good?
>>136123098
If you mean Yamamoto's: Because despite his plagiarism shenanigans, the guy is still genuinely very talented.
If you mean Kikuchi's: Because it fit DBZ so well that it'll fit ANY form of DBZ, even when it's sloppily placed.
>>136120270
>anon doesn't read manga
>>136123199
And if you mean Sumitomo's for the Boo arc... Get professional help.
>>136122928
>They came out like 20 years apart.
Still. That doesn't answer the question. Which one came 20 years before the other?
>>136123661
What the fuck do you think?
>>136120270
>hating on original DBZ OST
I'll give you the dub, granny voice is definitely not for everyone, but it takes a special kind of shit taste to dislike the original OST.
>>136120270
>Can't watch Original DVD's because Ocean dub
Understandable. It's shit.
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
original music is the best music. You are an idiot.
>Can't watch Kai because cut content and incomplete
Kai is the 1:1 adaptation of the Manga withouth filler. It's the best version. Only thing is not having the original anime music but Kai's ost is at least bearable and not as bad as Faulconer's shit.
>>136120270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgL-RKRRJ5E
You are the kind of person that prefers "Ally to good...nightmare to you" instead of "I'M THE SUPER SAIYAN...SON GOKU!" ? I'm about to vomit.
>>136122591
>exclude the english music to save bitrate.
Nothing of value was lost then.
>>136123338
Was his Buu saga ost that bad? His BoG and RoF ones were pretty ok.
>>136120270
>>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
kill yourself
>>136125081
It was largely uninteresting. Also Buu Kai was too long. Even though it was cut by 30 episodes, 60 episodes is still too long.
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
Subhuman American spotted.
>>136121472
Later Dragon Ball > Early DBZ > Early Dragonball > Later DBZ
>>136120270
The orange brick version is good you little shit
>>136124576
>0:13
>"It's cunt B!"
Why did Freeza call him that? Who's cunt A? How many cunts are there in the DB universe?
>>136122352
you can skip the filler, but you can't skip Gohan's voice
>>136120270
streaming
>>136124576
I prefer "Can't you tell Freezer? It's just like Vegäta said." "No you fucking don't!
>>136126006It can't be
Anon...
>>136126498
What's the problem with Kai Gohan's voice? It's much better than the original english one. Remember they just used the same VA for Kid Goku, Gohan and Goten...that's stupid.
>>136124576
>"Ally to good...nightmare to you"
That's hilarious. Do all the murikan OST tracks have edgy names like this?
>>136127831
That's not the name of the murrikan OST (because the murrican version of DBZ doesn't have a proper OST but a bunch of randomly synthethised sounds made by a guy on a keyboard). It's Goku's speech in the retard Funi dub.
OP here
This is only one option left.
I'm going to download the new Blurays and extract the audio.
Then add it to the Dragon Boxes video.
4:3, uncropped, with english music
>>136120270
> >Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
JP OST is way better than Faulconshit.
>>136128854
Autism Level Over 9000
>>136128854
Would they synch up though?
>>136120270
This makes it very enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IEfn_zX2Q8
>>136128854
So much pointless effort, if that's even possible.
Just outgrow the shit replacement music and learn to appreciate the music actually put there by the show's creators.
>>136128973
>>136129071
It's possible, I just did it to an episode.
MKVToolNix lets you remux a video and add audio time delay to sync.
>>136120270
Dragon Boxes or Kai would be the lesser of all evens, to be quite honest. I can live with the Japanese music and Kai (for the most part) cut out much of the unnecessary filler, in my opinion.
>>136129210
Your buzzwords are coming along quite nicely, Anon-kun!
>>136121472
Might as well go read Journey to the West.
>>136127977
you forgot about the terrible guitar riffs they threw in
>>136120270
Vegeta getting his ass beat in any language is the only enjoyment necessary..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7_biCNTbHc
So Kai is the best way to rewatch the series?
>>136126498
>Original Gohan's fucking crying screams
Jesus fuck, that was intolerable. Original Gohan was fucking dog shit.
>>136131056
Unless you want the full nostalgia experience, yes. The music's just something to deal with.
>>136123819
DB but I was looking for a confirmation.
>>136121843
Man, that track was so badass, it really made the villain in turn look imposing, but I think it synced specially well with the Metal Cooler in that one movie. I don't know why but that track always sounded pretty robotic to me, so it matched perfectly.
>>136132145
Probably because it was made for the movie. Most of the music was done for the movies then used in the show.
>>136132145
One of my favorite DB tracks.
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxpa4KIXibM
I can't even imagine Dragon Ball/DBZ without the original music. I could endure a different dub, but not a different soundtrack. I'm glad I'm not american.
>>136120270
>>Can't watch Orange Bricks or Blurays because cropped
This one is easy to deal with if you get over your self anon.
>>136134066
You don't know what your missing, Faulconer dub was pure sex
>>136134184
More like pure shit.
Kikuchi's score is fantastic.
>>136134294
If you like corny shit maybe.
But i like music that gets me pumped.
>>136120270
>>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
GET OUT
NORMIES
GET OUUUUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What version do I get if I want funimation dub and faulconer music
>>136134066
>>136134660
Fucking this!
>>136136044
I think the new Blurays, but its cropped 16:9 pleb status if you can handle it
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
Turn the audio over to dub music then?
>>136138025
The Dragon Boxes were mercifully uncontaminated by the dub's replacement music. Even the inclusion of the English track at all was just like an afterthought or bonus.
>>136120270
>Had the iconic and worlwide known DB music replaced by generic rock in the Anime and the games
Sorry Amerifats, in fact, fuck your asses, we get the same DB vidya versions as you and we have to stand the shitty dub voices (not the acting, just the voices) and the shit music rather than the OST we all grew up with.
FUCK TO YOU!
With Love: All Latin Americans including Brazilians.
>>136121573
That's just at the begining, senpai.
After the first Wordl Martial Arts torunament the lewd slowly dissappears until it's completely gone save some filler and a scene or two in DBZ.
>>136136044
None. Don't support crappy old dubs and dubbing practices from the 90's. Get the manga, learn to appreciate the Japanese version, or go with Kai and its not-awful dub.
>>136138154
>sound track is sounds like a cheesy telenovela
>mootxicans like it
My, how apropos.
>>136120270
This brings me back...
i know this struggle, but the best option is the bluray/orange brick boxes, and just dealing with the changed aspect. I honestly enjoyed it better, and wish I could watch OP the same way. Of course all the /a/ homos who suck nip dick daily will get buttflamed that you like the dub ost over the sub.
>>136138405
The soundtrack is eastern-sounding orchestral pieces befitting an action/adventure cartoon about monkey-people punching monsters and aliens that started out as a parody of a Chinese fairy tale.
>>136138423
I like English dubs when they're good.
DBZ's English dub is not good.
It is very bad. Replacing the music was just one of many reasons why.
>>136138405
> Burger soundtrack
>Amerifats like it
Loved the lyrics in Rock the Dragon, pretty fucking creative.
>>136124457
There's still some of the filler left in kai.
Like the farmer with the shotgun and Gohan telling nappa that he smells.
But that's just small filler scenes.
Entire filler episodes and the filler saga were eliminated.
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard
Jap Music>>>>> Failconer's Synthesizer Farts you faggot
>>136138569
The Abridged Dub is amazing though.
>>136124576
Man, the music in Kai is terrible.
>>136121526
>actually reading censored viz media shit
gtfo
>>136138154
>games
Thought only Legacy of Goku 2 and Buu's Fury used the American soundtrack?
>>136138670
Oh yeah, totally. But Abridged is an intentional parody dub. The actual official English dub of Z by FUNi is more like a parody dub that tries to pass itself off as a serious one.
>>136123098
It's shit you retard
Jesus fucking christ I will never get how people like Kai's gay ass soundtrack
>>136138569
The music and voice acting in the dub are main reasons for DBZ being one of my favorite anime, random anonymous users aren't going to change my decade old opinion. Maybe it's shit to you, but to me it's gold.
>>136123043
All I know is they changed it so Gohan could have his own voice instead of sharing it with Kids Goku.
Ironically they just used Clinkenbeard for Kid Goku in the flashback scenes.
>>136138789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb-J33dK9NQ
I mean they changed the OST in the games in America not necesarily using music from the english DUB, except for Rock the Dragon in Budokai 1, good God I hate that fucking track, I felt violated watching the intro I know and love with that thing in the background.
>>136120270
Watch either Kai in english or the Mexidub
>>136124457
>Kai is the 1:1 adaptation of the Manga withouth filler
False BULLSHIT
No it's not
For one
>No Dragon Ball
>Tons of fillers still left in because they re-used DBZ
>Cropped bullshit
>Fights don't flow well because they're cut awkwardly
>New frames of animation look like they've been done in MSPaint
>New Soundtrack by YamaHack/SumiShit(for Boo) sucks
>Kikuchi's replacement music only uses about 10% of his tracks and it's a disgrace to his work
>Pacing is still too slow compared to the Manga
>JP Voice Actors are not as good as they were 20 years ago when they were in their prime and some of them got replaced
>No Daisuke Gori and no Roshi Original Voice Actor(because he died in the 90s)
Kai is just bullshit
It's a bad experience all around and really shouldn't be recommended to anyone
The only positive I could say about it is that the new English Dub is much more accurate than the horrific original Funi Dub of the 90s
>>136125988
>said no-one ever
>>136139058
Oh yeah, budokai had the extended version of rock the dragon.
I know Kenji was plagiarizing a few songs for that game as well.
Also https://youtu.be/xAOCnSKz-x8
Canuks/ocean opening.
>>136139279
Didn't Canada get Big Green?
>>136120270
Dragon Boxes are the way to go. Failconer's music is synthesized garbage that never stops playing even when it's ruining the mood.
>>136125899
If by early DBZ you just meant the saiyan saga then sure.
>>136138964
You can like it you want, cool, whatever. But in every measurable way it's a bad dub.
Wildly inaccurate script, amateur VAs doing unfitting voices, replacing music... It's like a go-to checklist of "how to make a bad dub."
Seeing it on Toonami back in the day got me into the franchise too, but I dove onto the internet to learn more and quickly realized how crappy the dub was and outgrew it. I do still appreciate the English cast now that they're not total newbies anymore, and so I really enjoy watching well-dubbed stuff like Kai and the new movies.
>>136138985
Well, I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that the biggest reason was that Nadolny wasn't available anymore.
>>136139147
In a lot of ways you're right that Kai has shortcomings compared to the original Z in Japanese... But it's still a much better option for new Western fans than Z in English. The damage done to the series' reputation and fanbase by Z's old English dub is irreparable. We needed Kai so that FUNi could have a second chance WAY more than Japan needed it for any reason.
>>136131056
no
it's the worst way
don't listen to what the memers here say
>>136139387
Yeah but they only covered a few of the movies and t.v specials.
I think GT as well.
>>136131056
Yes, if you want to watch in English.
The English dub of Z was done back in the 90's and early 2000's and is complete crap. But now FUNimation has much higher standards and Kai's dub is excellent.
If you're going to watch in Japanese, Z is better for a variety of production-based reasons.
>>136121472
dragon ball runs dry on what makes it great after it stops being fun, namely after krillin dies and the piccolo stuff starts, dbz is able to make interesting again after radditz dies, frieza arc is great and as lazy as toriyama got in buu arc, it was the biggest return to form the series could have gotten by returning focus to the characters one last time before it ended, dragon ball was never leagues above Z it had its own problems too, take a look at what both actually were before saying original was better
>>136138423
go away normalfag
>>136138569
>>136138405
Mexibros modded the Sparking Meteor game to have the ACTUAL japanese OST instead of the midi knockoffs from the japanese version or the Falcouner music from the US version, plus the mexivoices.
>>136139279
Everything wrong.
Why go and bother by finding, merging various clips and basically doing an AMV instead of just using the Japanese opening, change the music maybe but leave it as it is, hell, why not translate it instead of writing 2 lines of dialogue and recording a whole new song?
>>136138569
>that pic
>DBZ will never look that good cuz Toei are a bunch of shit who are too lazy to make a proper remaster from the original masters and to accept Kei17's tapes for better audio
why even live bro?
>>136139815
I'm okay with that
>>136138695
>Straight jumping to the conclusion that he read viz
Mental illness?
>>136120417
OP is already new fag levels of cancer. We don't need him metastasising in too actual cancer. While the show is hilariously funny, it is that way as T4S fan boy the series. Best let this fag got OP AnHero alone in his room
>>136139715
I know funi revoiced everything ocean covered in the orange brick set.
And Sabat redid his Vegeta lines up until the end of the frieza saga before saying fuck it.
To be fair the U.S soundtrack for the saiyan, namekian sagas is just as bad as bruce's.
>>136131056
If you want to watch DBZ without the constipated screaming, staring contests and unwitty banter then yes.
>>136139891
Feels bad, bro. It still hurts that the Level BD sets were canceled so early... that was easily the best the series has ever looked. I'm grateful I managed to snatch up all 7 Dragon Boxes when they were new, at least.
>>136139822
I'm pretty sure the Japanese versions of those games used Kikuchi's score to begin with... disappointing that it wasn't kept when they went West. Really helped push the "DBZ simulator" style of those games that much more.
>>136139984
Yeah, they did redub stuff for the "Ultimate Uncut" versions... but for the most part it was still based on the same bad old scripts, so it didn't help much. An actual faithful dub, where the characters are saying the same things as in the Japanese version and manga, didn't happen until Kai.
>>136139983
I'd rather hear people quoting Abridged lines than old FUNi dub lines any day.
>>136139521
If you're a dubfag you're going to lose out either way
Ocean Dub(and Pioneer)
>Best English Voices
>Worst Script by far
>Censored
>Replaced Music
>First 3 movies by Pioneer are the best English Dub the Franchise has seen
Funidub(Uncensored)
>Worse English Actors
>Bad Script but not as bad as Ocean
>Replaced Music
Kaidub
>Funi Actors a little better than they were a decade ago
>Good Script
>Cut content
>Yamamoto score
>Kikuchi replacement:10% of tracks used only
>Censored blood(forgot about this...this also applies to Japanese Kai)
>Most of the other visual/filler/problems in the Japanese version are still here
>No Buu Saga(at least not yet and Funi hasn't announced that there will be for the time being)
I pity dubfags
Jap sub/music fans act like its superior just because its the original
Akira Toriyama wrote the MANGA. he didnt make the ANIME, nor did he find the voice actors, nor did he compose the OST.
He had almost NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANIME ITSELF. It's ridiculous to believe the sub is superior just because his neighbors made it instead of some people overseas.
The music is incredibly cheesy and outdated since its from the FUCKING 80s. THE MUSIC HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN. anime music has evolved since then and the Faulconer soundtrack fits much better.
As for the voice acting, yes originally the dub was much worse, but Funi redid the lines for the remastered version which makes it the perfect version
>>136140414
>First 3 movies by Pioneer are the best English Dub the Franchise has seen
Yeah except I'd rather have Cheetor voice Goku than Rolf.
>>136139822
What's the fucking point?
The appeal of the soundtracks on those were hearing the original compositions in a new way
Also
Tenkaichi 3's International Soundtrack had a few good tracks here and there but was mostly just average
But Tenkaichi 2's International Soundtrack was god-tier
So many great tracks in one game
>>136140414
Ocean reused a lot of music from the Ruby Spears Megaman Cartoon.
Ocean went through a lot of VAs for goku.
Also Cutman Krillin and top tier Scott McNeil as Piccolo.
Well as someone who owned the orange bricks, I can easily say that it's the absolute worse way to watch it. Half the time lines are just fucking missing in the middle of the screen
>>136139822
>>136140653 here
Forgot to mention that
Fuck you for thinking Faulconer composed Tenkaichi 2's and 3's International Soundtracks you goddamn retard
Faulconer could never compose something that good
>>136140487
Peter Kelamis>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean Schemmel
>>136140414
What about Abridgeddub?
>>136140755
Megaman Goku?
>>136139715
It's a shame Colleen's Gohan sounds like a cat being raped. But otherwise I agree with you.
>>136139740
DBZ ran dry on what made it fun by the time the Frieza arc happened. Then it became all about powerlevel wankery, staring contests, constipated screaming, people dying then coming back to life only to die again, more than half the cast being irrelevant and forgotten, and then an even stronger bad guy appears who, like the last one, has no motives other than being EEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL
>>136140415
>calling music bad because it's old
What I really don't like about the Funi dub is the sound editing. There's constantly sound and abrupt cuts from one track to the next and back. It's that old ass cartoon ideology that you need to always have noise and colors for kids.
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
>Year of the lord 2016
>Unitedstatians still think their dub was anything but fucking trash and changing the OST doesnt the most disgusting thing ever done in the history of dubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdXj88r6ECI
fucking burgers, get some taste
>>136140783
No that's Ian Corlette.
>>136140825
>Brad Swaile
That's Stephanie Nadolny
>>136140415
A dub is a bad dub when it arbitrarily changes stuff.
DBZ's dub arbitrarily changed stuff. Script, character personalities, music, etc. Thus DBZ's dub is a bad dub.
Doesn't matter what you or anything else thinks of the replacement scores in terms of musical quality or how much it "fits." It's not what was put there by the show's creators, therefore it doesn't belong there. It never should have existed, and it shouldn't still be included on modern releases of DBZ today.
Besides, "the music sounds dated" is the stupidest excuse I've ever heard. The show itself is FROM the 80's and 90's, so why should anything change? It is what it is, and half-cocked attempts to "modernize" it by doing things like swapping in droning techno-rock just make things worse.
>>136140810
this is really the only valid criticism i can think of. there are certain scenes where silence would be good, but i feel like most of the time they do a good job of keeping the music low enough that it doesn't interfere too much with the scene.
>>136140259
>I'm pretty sure the Japanese versions of those games used Kikuchi's score to begin with... disappointing that it wasn't kept when they went West. Really helped push the "DBZ simulator" style of those games that much more.
They remixed Kikuchi's music which I thought was nice(and think it's completely pointless to actually mod the original version in the game to be honest)
That guy is a retard tho
Failconer didn't compose the International Soundtrack for Tenkaichi 2 and 3
They were composed by Japanese Composers
And Tenkaichi 2 had a phenomenal soundtrack
Like for example this track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g33NAdYB8GU
Tenkaichi 3's was just OK because it was too samey and didn't have enough variety I felt
That said it would have been to have had an option for both soundtracks(JP and International)
So where the fuck is my Tenkaichi 2 and 3 HD Remasters with that option?
>>136140415
>nor did he find the voice actors
He literally picked Goku's voice himself
Stay mad toonamifag
>>136140840
NOT A CHANCE FANCY-PANTS
>>136140810
Yeah I noticed the abrupt soundtrack changes the last time I watched the funimation dub. I don't mind some of the falcouner tracks but the abrupt changes got old quick.
>>136141109
>Stay mad toonamifag
You realize that the only reason DBZ is still relevant is because of nostalgia, right?
>>136141298
I wish it wasn't relevant
That way Dragon Ball Super would have never happened
>>136140899
is still shit. Specially the OST
Why the fuck did the ocean dub drop the 'two voices and once' for the fusion thing? That was literally Toriyama's idea.
>>136134184
I've heard the USA ost, it's laughable.
>>136141332
Some people just can't let go of their childhood memories. I mean I like Dragon Ball but don't think it's anywhere near the best action anime ever made when ever for its time there were superior alternatives in the same genre.
>>136120417
>>136139983
>>136140259
>Enjoying DBZ Abridged
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
holy shit, fatburgers can be this pleb?
>>136140825
Catalan dub just left those screams from the original jap audio, those lazy faggots
>>136141109
yah, as a CHILD. and then they stuck with her for some odd reason, so goku sounds like a child with the body of an athlete
>>136141854
Like Mike Tyson.
>>136141565
To me Childhood Memories should stay Childhood Memories
Seeing them bring back Dragon Ball and ruining it just annoys me
When I watched Dragon Ball it was something fresh and new...it pisses me off how Hollywood and all these big studios nowadays are Nostalgiawhoring to the extreme
Also Dragon Ball isn't a pure action anime
It's an Action/Comedy...imo it was at it's best at the Red Ribbon Army saga where these 2 elements seemed to mesh perfectly
>>136140810
Yeah, that's always been one of the biggest criticisms. Plenty of other regions already had their own DBZ dubs before it came to North America, and they did just fine without replacing the music. But for some dumb reason, FUNi at the time thought that American kids were special and needed to be catered to with constant noise.
>>136141066
Ah, that's right. Same tracks, new mixes. Actually, come to think of it, I think that's the only time "Battle Point Unlimited" was ever used again past the Trunks arc in the series.
>>136141298
So what about all the new kids getting hooked by watching Kai on Nicktoons and such?
>>136141854
Who still has a very childish personality. Besides, it's all but unheard of in Japan to replace VAs just because the character grows up, and Nozawa DID alter Goku's voice somewhat as he aged.
>>136141854
Goku is not a not a normal person
In Dragon Ball he was a mystical monkey-boy(and then they changed it to a generic Superman ripoff in DBZ)
>>136141915
>Yeah, that's always been one of the biggest criticisms.
which is stupid
because that shit can be applied to failconer's shit too with it sounding straight from the late 90s
>>136141901
I feel the same way about FF7 too. I mean I still love the original game but the entire compilation is just disgusting, and the remake already seems to be heading in that direction.
>>136141915
>So what about all the new kids getting hooked by watching Kai on Nicktoons and such?
Kai isn't even half as popular as DBZ was at the turn of the millennium.
>>136142280
True enough. But DBZ was popular all over the world. Just the Latin America fanbase puts everyone else to shame and gives even Japan a run for its money. So it's ludicrous and even kind of conceited that some people think DBZ "needed" things like music and tone changes to succeed.
Dragon Ball is Dragon Ball. It's going to be popular regardless.
>>136141943
Even as adults male saiyans are supposed have deep voices like humans.
>>136140734
>Not posting the Super Saiyan Goku example which is a million times more horrific
Watching 15 year old vhs recordings of cartoon network and fast forwarding through the commercials
The way it was meant to be seen.
>>136142492
Read the goddamn post again
In Dragon Ball Goku wasn't a Saiyan yet(they retconned him into being an Alien in Z)
>>136142437
It definitely didn't
Dragon Ball is also popular and that didn't change the music(except for removing certain insert songs because funimation is retarded...like for example they removed "Mezase Tenkaichi" from the Goku vs Jackie Chun fight but they left it intact in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai which was fucking strange)
What's more insulting though is that the Dub Soundtrack for DBZ didn't even fit and was pretty damn forgettable
It seemed like they didn't even put any effort into it
A dub soundtrack can be good
Look at Beyblade's dub soundtrack for example
That shit was really good and there was a lot of effort put into it(and was the only good part of the dub since the acting,script changes etc. were so laughably bad...in fact they were so bad they were good in a way)
>>136142553
itt autism
>>136120270
jap music (not kai) is the best you retard
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
Do people seriously like Faulconer's music? Seriously? That repetitive synth bullshit?
>tfw edited Jap DBZ to get rid of Nozawa Goku voice and add in Schemmel Goku voice.
>>136142806
LET'S BEYBLAAAAAAAAAAADE.
No but seriously if Kai and his buddies were chasing pussy that entire story wouldn't have happened.
>>136143255
>No but seriously if Kai and his buddies were chasing pussy that entire story wouldn't have happened.
You can say that about any anime ever
>If Yugi just chased Anzu's pussy the entire Yugioh story would have never happened
Who cares? It's just a silly anime based on Toys
There's no need for logic in such anime
Jap music is best and the only good filler is Goku and Piccolo driving cars. OP confirmed for king of faggots.
>>136143247
Now that's fucking autism
>>136140415
>As for the voice acting, yes originally the dub was much worse, but Funi redid the lines for the remastered version which makes it the perfect version
Uh, no.
>>136140259
>Yeah, they did re-dub stuff for the "Ultimate Uncut" versions... but for the most part it was still based on the same bad old scripts, so it didn't help much. An actual faithful dub, where the characters are saying the same things as in the Japanese version and manga, didn't happen until Kai.
Funi was basically no different from Early Viz, 4kids or fuck even Saban when it came to dub localization, they only did a superficial job with the UUE's of DBZ to bait the sub fans and those who got the chance to get a taste of the Mexidub, mainly because they didn't wanted to promote the japanese version that much.
they weren't fucking pedantic like Viz and 4kids which pretended the Japanese versions dint exists per say but, it's not like they tried either:
>See guys we did get rid of the Cargo Robot, Bardock the brilliant scientist and Next Dimension gais
>We added the blood back gaiiis
>We know say death and kill now gaiss
>We are now faithful to your precious wapanise vershion gaiiiiis
>The dialogue was still the same corny one liner dumb dialogue used in the Ocean dub
> the worst offenders of re-visioning were still there.
> try play the dub with the subs
>some of the revision changes were made worse on the UUE's, Goku's mercy anyone?
Oh by the by, Ocean gets shit for the early dub, but THEY WERENT TEH ONES IN CHARGE OF THE SCRIPT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN FUNIMATION THEMSELVES WHO WROTE THAT SHIT, OCEAN ONLY DID THE VOICE ACTING FOLLOWING THAT DIRECTION.
In fact, Ocean did so a decent job when Pioneer was in charge of the scripts of the first 3 movies, which were more or less faithfull, not 100% but they were and improvement, thanks to Pioneer....(cont)
>>136143354
The only good filler is the filler in the Original Dragon Ball which adds a bit to Pilaf and the various other villains in Dragon Ball
The Driving Episode is fun but I wouldn't really call it good
>>136143394
>In fact, Ocean did so a decent job when Pioneer was in charge of the scripts of the first 3 movies
Yup
Why can't we just have a re-dub of Z headed by Pioneer with the original voice cast?
That shit would have been cash
>>136120270
Learn spanish and watch the superior hispanic dub.
>>136143449
I agree with the Pilaf filler but I didn't bring it up because this thread seemed to be DBZ only.
Driving episode holds a dear place in my heart so I'm kinda biased towards it.
>>136143625
>Driving episode holds a dear place in my heart so I'm kinda biased towards it.
I like it too but it was straight filler that didn't contribute to the plot
Still million times better than Goku running in the Snake but y'know
>>136143394
>Oh by the by, Ocean gets shit for the early dub, but THEY WERENT TEH ONES IN CHARGE OF THE SCRIPT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN FUNIMATION THEMSELVES WHO WROTE THAT SHIT, OCEAN ONLY DID THE VOICE ACTING FOLLOWING THAT DIRECTION.
The censorship was all Saban's doing though.
>>136143449
The Otherworld Tournament was great too.
>>136143554
>>136143394
(cont)
But Funi attempted to soft-sabotaged those dubs by adding the hannah barberish sfx's and when they redub the 3 movies eventually, basically they opted to do it their own way, by redoing the script, as how they would been written IF they were in charge back then, hence the inferior and more corny lines of dialogue.
I am not kidding.
Heck, when Funimation started the dub with his cast, they were told to imitate the Ocean cast to some extent, remember how shitty early sabat vegeta sounded, when he tried to sound like brian drummond vegeta...........BUT BADLY?
And if that wasn't enough, then when Funi got the ocean cast back for Canada and UK airings of the show, THEN they forced the ocean dub actors to imitate the FUNI actors, hence why then the voices on the late Ocean dub (cell and Buu) sounded so bored and awkward, such a shame, cause first we have chris sabat doing a terrible impression of brian drummond (before he did the more ogre-like voice for vegeta during buu and the UUE's and before he did his current vegeta voice that sounds like in the middle of the ogre vegeta and TFS vegeta), and now we got drummond doing a bad impersonation of Sabat impersonating him, wrap your head around that!.
And it was thanks to FUNI direction at the time.
Could you please stop blaming ocean for those scripts,
>>136143888
Funimation censored their in-house dub too so both were at fault
>>136143577
>>136143577
same applies if you wanna watch the non shitty versions of Digimon, Cardcaptors, Knights of the Zodiac, Grimm fairy tales, Ranma 1/2 etc...
>>136143969
I dunno...
Everyone loves this one but I never cared much for it myself
The tournament didn't seem as exciting as the original Tenkaichi Budokai's...it was just Goku vs a bunch of unknown characters
It was still better than the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai in the Buu saga which was just cringe-inducing but it never quite clicked with me like it did with other people
Also...I remember seeing the Mushroom Announcer/Narrator guy in that arc and being like "Ah man I miss the guy from Dragon Ball that guy was the shit"
>>136143992
I fucking hate Funimation
>>136141567
Lazy gay meme
>>136144198
>Digimon
Better learn German for that
>>136120270
Watch whichever highest quality TV rip you can find on the Internet with the Latam dub.
Literally the only way to enjoy DB and DBZ
Why are you faggots constantly arguing which DBZ English dub is better when they were both gutter trash? Kai is the only part of Z to receive a remotely decent English dub.
>>136144550
go away spic
>>136144703
>Kai is the only part of Z to receive a remotely decent English dub.
Somebody hasn't watched the first 3 movies dubbed by Pioneer
>>136144795
3 shitty non-canon movies don't count.
I'll never watch DBZ in anything but the original Funi Toonami releases because it has no value to me beyond nostalgia. Jokes on me though because they're almost impossible to find -- the one torrent I used was slow as balls, and that was years ago.
>>136144550
Compared both like 2 months ago, like always sub is way superior, give up on your nostalgia googles.
>>136144845
Why waste time clinging to your childhood memories you know are a lie when you could be watching other, much better anime instead?
>>136144832
Yes they do
That was the only great english dub the franchise has seen
>>136144292
And TFS are lazy gay "comedians".
>>136143394
>Oh by the by, Ocean gets shit for the early dub, but THEY WERENT TEH ONES IN CHARGE OF THE SCRIPT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN FUNIMATION THEMSELVES WHO WROTE THAT SHIT, OCEAN ONLY DID THE VOICE ACTING FOLLOWING THAT DIRECTION.
In fact some of the Funi script momments were worse on Funi's behalf once they directed the dub themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrYSUg_q9E
>>136145031
Because I don't rewatch DBZ, it was a hypothetical.
>>136145134
still no excuse for shit-tier meme
>>136145150
>16's new voice
He didn't have a new voice. This girls sound really dull and dumb.
>>136143247
Editing together your own personal perfect DBZ dub is the only solution to keep everyone happy.
>>136128854
>>136145859
I'm perfectly happy with the original japanese version
Then again I'm not autistic
>>136123043
That was not a "touch." It's the most shrill voice of any dub. I would prefer an unfitting voice to an annoying one.
>>136120270
The american score is wallpaper outside of a few solid tracks during the cell saga. You're a stupid faggot
>>136130689
>Not reading Great Tang Records on the Western Regions
>>136142437
It is amazing how successful Dragon Ball was in the west despite how butchered it was
>Make a shitty anime adaptation filled with awful filler
>Cut out the first third of it
>Censor everything to hell and add out of place jokes
>Hire a bunch of shitty Canadian voice actors
>Hire a bunch of shitty American voice actors with no experience and tell them to imitate the shitty Canadian voice actors
And it's still the most popular anime in America. It just shows how great the original story is for it to shine through all the crap.
>>136143449
The Pilaf filler was godawful, you don't know what you're talking about. It made a third of every episode totally pointless and it ruined the joke of Pilaf being really bad at torture. And then when the actual Pilaf part started the pacing was totally ruined and none of the jokes worked.
And don't get me started on the fucking pinball episode. I don't think there's a more egregious waste of time in all of fiction. Even in early Dragon Ball when Toei actually had a backlog of un-adapted chapters their filler was godawful and didn't make any sense.
>>136150736
Because the dub voices and music still managed to capture the intensity of the scenes, even if they aren't nearly as good as the original.
Take this early DBZ dub clip for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otE7pCUjqHc
Even if it's "butchered", there's no way a teenage boy wouldn't be hyped as fuck watching that.
>>136150824
Purist Mangafag pls go
>>136151073
The "arrows on the floor" joke is probably the funniest part of the whole manga and Toei totally ruined it. I will not stand idly by while fake purists try to pretend that only Z had problems with filler.
>>136151175
How did Toei exactly ruin the scene?
I don't even get you
I've never heard anyone complain about this before but you
I think you're just being a hipsterfag for the sake of being a hipsterfag
And btw the Pinball Episode was awesome fuck you
>>136120270
>because Jap music
Holy shit anon, you are such a faggot.
>>136120677
this
I like the charm it has unedited/undubbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLsEYPhM1wA
dat bgm
>>136150849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjyTM7rbJs
>>136120270
watch the spanish dubs fag
>>136151261
In the manga the characters walk into the castle, see the arrows on the floor and immediately get trapped. The joke is how effective such a stupid and simple trap is and how they get captured before Pilaf even has the chance to do anything. They get captured literally the page after they enter the palace.
The anime adds in some dramatic bullshit with bats and mechanical pillars crushing them. It seems like Toei didn't even realize the arrow trap was a joke. You should read the manga, it's a billion times better than Toei's shitty anime.
>>136120270
>>Can't watch Orange Bricks or Blurays because cropped
I didn't even know DBZ wasn't supposed to be 16:9 until after I watched it.
It's not a big deal.
>>136120270
>Can't watch Dragon Boxes because Jap music
Fuck off /v/irgin trash. You are cancer.
This thread is proof to me why I can understand /a/ hates you all. You're all fucking tasteless shitbags.
>>136120270
By not being a faggot
>>136125081
>His BoG and RoF ones were pretty ok.
Has DBS reused any of those tracks?
So Dragon Ball Z received the same treatment in America, as Hokuto no Ken received in France.
We are really gifted when it comes to the many creative ways to shit on foreign authors and animation studios.
>>136138154
This. And we're not talking about just about Latin America. I think the whole fucking world used the original OST. Amerifags were the only ones who had to suffer that abomination.
>>136139058
>>136139279
>>136138789
I think there's an english version of Budokai Tenkaichi 3 online modded with the japanese music of the game, like in the video you posted. I have the ISO.
>>136142437
>But DBZ was popular all over the world.
You have no idea man.
I know Portugal is a small country, but that shit was a fucking RELIGION here! No one could afford to miss an episode. We skipped classes to watch the morning episode at school. It became so popular at one point they started airing 3 episodes in a row in prime time.
I remember the school council having to explicitly prohibit the reprography girl from allowing Dragon Ball photocopies (everyone had dossiers with their respective collections of DB pictures since internet was not widespread yet).
