>>135957577 >People still don't understand that Homura's wish was never realized in the series >People still don't realize that Homura's scenes in the new world are her trying and ultimately failing to come to terms with Madoka saving her again instead of her saving Madoka >People don't realize this was all so obvious that people called Devil Homu over a year in advance
>>135958012 >People still think it was If Rebellion never happened we'd be having threads about how out of character it was for Homura to just accept getting saved by Madoka again after going through so many loops obsessed with saving Madoka instead.
>>135958184 >He forgot about the collected karma >He forgot that Madoka was the one to reset the last timeline for Homura's sake, not Homura for Madoka's sake as it had been before that >He needed it spelled out for him that Homura inherited Madoka's karma
For fuck's sake, Homura inherited the rose bow along with it. This shit was practically spelled out. It's not even deep, you're just retarded.
>>135958570 The original ending left a huge, gaping hole when you sat down and thought about it, that Homura would just accept that ending and not strive for a more perfect one. And unlike the ending for Rebellion, it wasn't clear that it would ever be addressed. On the other hand, Rebellion's ending made it a lot more clear that it wasn't the end, because unlike the original series it was clear that somebody didn't like the new status quo, and that it wasn't something that could be sustained indefinitely.
And that aside, if you think Homura did anything she did because of greed, you're horribly mistaken. Everything she ever did once she became a Magical Girl was for Madoka's sake over anyone else's. While that certainly isn't altruistic, it isn't greed either.
>>135959087 If Homura just went to yuri Valhalla when Madoka came for her, the Incubators would have been given the evidence they needed to begin work on controlling the Law of Cycles AND would have had their only obstacle to that goal (besides time, which they have plenty of) removed.
Had Homura not put Madoka in a gilded cage, an even worse end would have been made inevitable in a few hundred years' time. Being able to sexually harass Madoka in a hallway was just a perk.
>>135957729 The Force Awakens was the biggest cash grab in my opinion. The prequels were crap, but at least they tried brining in some new things, whereas TFA was just a soulless rehash that happened to make a fuckton of money due to tons of marketing.
As far as the Rebuild movies go, I think 1.11 and 2.22 were amazing, and worth the money. 3.33 was absolute garbage, but that's 1 out of 3.
>>135960117 >adapting all the source material is beating a horse to death So you're saying you'd prefer they'd pick and choose stuff to adapt and animate an incomplete picture of the original? Shit taste, anon. Shame on you.
>>135960161 It's doing completely different, and the intention is great, but the execution not so much. You're adding a 14 year timeskip, after the cliffhanger of the previous movie, and only explain bits and pieces about what went on during that time, and all Anno did was imply huge things happen. They also added new elements for no good reason, like the Curse of Eva. Everyone acting retarded certainly didn't help either.
>>135960272 But that's the whole point of 3.33. You are as confused as Shinji during the entire movie. I really don't like the whole Curse of Eva thing but everything else is deliberately made confusing and alienating. Ideally, 3.0 + 1.0 is gonna tie everything together.
>>135958977 >Everything she ever did once she became a Magical Girl was for Madoka's sake over anyone else's. I don't necessarily agree. Inside Homura's Witch World, in Rebellion, you could see Homura wished for the other girls to attain happiness as well. This is also reflected in the world she created.
The thing, prior to Madoka becoming Ultimate Madoka, Homura had to choose to give priority to Madoka after all of her failures in the previous timeliness, in which she tried to involve the other girls, who didn't trust her.
You cannot save everyone, if everyone doesn't cooperate. Thus, Homura had to choose to focus solely on Madoka.
>>135960446 >I really don't like the whole Curse of Eva thing but everything else is deliberately made confusing and alienating. That would be great for a TV series, but we're talking about movies here. There's hardly any time to explain everything that went on during the timeskip, especially in the last instalment.
I seriously doubt 3.0+1.0 will be able to wrap up everything 3.33 brought into the story, and do it in a satisfying way.
Everyone acting like a bloody retard isn't justified by anything, and this is one of the biggest issues in 3.33, because nearly all of the problems in that movie could have been avoided by people not acting like idiots toward Shinji, and explaining things well - especially to a person who has no bloody idea what went on in the past 14 years.
>>135960446 >But that's the whole point of 3.33. That doesn't make it good.
Besides, after two movies followed very closely to the original series on the surface with just enough very noticeable changes on the surface to realize something's up, the third movie going this off the rails without actually addressing anything makes the whole narrative extremely incoherent.
But like you said, hopefully 3.0+1.0 will tie everything together, but personally I'm not holding my breath. In fact, I had completely forgotten that it was supposed to be out already.
>>135960696 >That would be great for a TV series, but we're talking about movies here. There's hardly any time to explain everything that went on during the timeskip, especially in the last instalment.
Well, actually I think there will be a lot of time to explain everything as we are practically already in the "final arc" of the movie series in 3.33. I mean look at all the shit that is happening in that movie, that's some stuff that would be shortly before the conclusion in any other anime. I bet that 3.0+1.0 will have some kind of "infodump"-arc, maybe during this series' "version of human instrumentality"
>>135961122 >I bet that 3.0+1.0 will have some kind of "infodump"-arc, maybe during this series' "version of human instrumentality" Considering that all the Rebuild movies have been around 90 minutes long. There is no time to make such big explanations. The movie has to focus in its own plot, and ending the story.
>>135961377 Considering that it's the final movie of the series, I think that this movie is gonna be longer than 90 minutes. As I said, the story seems to be nearly finished in 3.33, so now all the movie has to do is go over what's left of the story and explain what happened during the time skip while wrapping everything up. It's hard to pull off but definitely doable. I know everyone is saying that Anno is a hack but I think he has enough experience to know what he is doing. Evangelion is his biggest work, I don't think that he wants to screw everything up. That's why 3.0+1.0 is taking so long, I bet the studio is already all over Anno's ass for taking his time with the movie but he just keeps doing his thing and that's good
>>135961947 >Accuses a film of character assassination >Grossly misinterprets (in which case you're stupid) or misrepresents (in which case you're a hypocrite for assassinating a character yourself) the characters in the film
>Accuses a film of having a nonsensical plot with no logic, and plot holes >Pushes an interpretation of the film AND the series that robs the ending of the series and the entire film of any semblance of logic in the plot, creating plot holes
>Accuses the film of having pretentious words and scenery with no meaning >Acts like his opinion on the matter is so sublime that it should be the only one allowed to be discussed
>>135961660 You're full of shit. I wish I could meet you real life, restrain you in front of a screen, forcefeed you interviews, facts until you finally accept how much of a fanwanking anno-apologist you are.
You're like the idiots screaming "too big to fail".
>>135957577 It's almost as though you haven't seen much anime to begin with. Or much Western media. Or hell, much of anything if you think THIS is the biggest cashgrab ever. Twelve episodes with a movie isn't a fucking cashgrab. Shit like Dragonball Z with its never-ending adaptations is.
But hey, you watched it and disliked it, I guess that makes it the worst thing ever, you fucking goldfish.
>>135958977 >While that certainly isn't altruistic Isn't it like super altruism, at least for Madoka? Fate can't be changed, Madoka can't be saved. Yet Homura refused to give up anyway.
>>135961820 Completely wrong. Homura is justice, she is the only one in history dedicated enough to overcome fate and power a goddess savior. She's literally god's angel type of person, or at least has those traits. Homura is the source of hope and heroism in the original ending, she's fighting on behalf of the goddess.
>>135962575 1.11 or 2.22 aren't end-all-be-all masterpieces. They're relatively light, mysterious yet genuine movies that will be able to keep the audience entertained whilst also slowly laying down the foundation for further movie.
For those reasons, they are worthwhile movies. It's not a great achievement. But it's still worthwhile.
>>135962585 Where does one even begin? The story? The characters? The plot? The setting? There are flaws in all of them, flaws so large only one of them would be enough to sink the movie. Imagine all four!
In-between the selfcontradicting characterization and actions portrayed by the characters, you're fed mostly one-liners and treated to a buffet of inane pandering, that is to say material that only has value to a small group chasing a specific niche.
>>135962660 Because it makes no goddamn sense, and not even in the context of old Eva and EoE, where it was simply extremely convoluted and difficult to understand. Instead, the entire plot of the movie hinges on damn near every character acting like an idiot and either withholding critical information or acting despite lacking critical information because the plot demands it.
>>135958184 >they had to deus ex machina some weird fetishist ending People who weren't paying attention to the show said the exact same thing with Madoka's wish despite the fact that it was foreshadowed as fuck. It's the same in the movie, the main plan of the QB was to see what happen when you almost turn a mahou shojo into a witch in a universe where witches cannot exist and that if they can interact with the law of cycles they will be able to control it in the long run, Homura exploited those two things by interacting with Madoka by preventing her from cleaning her gem turning her into something completely new for this universe.
>>135958394 >Homura inherited the rose bow along with it. >inherited The very first thing she did to QB in the show was chasing and shooting him with the bow before he called Madoka for help.
>>135958570 >Rebellion turns Homura from someone consumed by grief and desperation to someone consumed by greed. Both Madoka and Homura are inhabited by a retarded martyr complex that prevent one from letting the other carry all the weight of the world on their shoulders and makes them want to carry said weight alone, making the other suffer because of it. They are the exact same in that regard.
>>135962660 It's my own opinion, thank you very much, Mr. Anno Apologist.
3.33 is garbage in all aspects but delivering concentrated homo pandering to a mindless mass of idiots, and ecchi girl fanservice to a subselection of Eva's large otaku fan base.
You keep defending this movie, but it's an extremely simple objective thing to point out, that should absolutely and without question end any of your arguments.
Creating a good story and character set takes time, and 3.33 in all respects chose to squander all the prequels had built in favor of characters that are more shallow than any of the characters in a single isolated movie.
To put it shortly, it made it impossible to create quality characters in Rebuild.
You can evangelize Evangelion all day every day, speak highly of a coming miracle that will undo the damage 3.33 has caused, but you know just as well as I that it is literally impossible, and even if we got five more movies to make up for the gaping hole of characterization and plot 3.33 was, 3.33 would still be a huge leap backwards in quality.
>>135962929 >The very first thing she did to QB in the show was chasing and shooting him with the bow before he called Madoka for help.
Whatever she shot QB with, it wasn't the bow, because she didn't HAVE a bow in that timeline. If she had a magic bow she wouldn't have needed to fight with a damn golf club in her first looped timeline.
>>135962929 Not that guy, but Homura's bow didn't manifest until after Madoka's final wish. Those energy bolts are just weird shit that was never explained. Reason I say this is because Homura was explicitly shown to have zero offensive abilities on her own apart from the time stop. Between that time and the final timeline, she hadn't gained any new powers, thus using man-made weaponry.
>>135963024 Not only that, 3.33's characters are utterly irredeemable in terms of depth and sincerity, they're glorified plot devices and otaku totems reflecting Anno and his closest writer's most masturbatory eva fantasies.
>>135963049 She also is about to use her Homulaser on Sayaka in episode 8 before Kyouko comes to the rescue. I assume it's just simple blast ability that isn't as useful as her guns and bombs, so she usually doesn't bother with it.
>>135963733 >Madoka hates her for being so evil. Madoka is practically incapable of hate, and the ending of the original series and the entire plot of Rebellion fall apart if Madoka doesn't at least consider Homura a precious friend.
>>135964607 I think you're overlooking the fact that the movie itself was quite well done. Aside from the ending twist- which was obviously a last minute decision- the quality of the movie itself almost matched the later episodes of the anime.
>>135964856 >Turned Asuka into even more of a bitch than in the original for no real reason >Turned Misato into an idiot with no foresight >Mari still got no real character development >Kaworu gets killed off
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